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fallen one
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Posted: 23rd Sep 2007 23:02 Edited at: 26th Sep 2007 02:28
Avanti Vita Studios are releasing a new product for fpsc

Quote: "A skybox readily and easily creates a background for your levels or scenes, make your world look bigger than it really is, by creating the illusion of distant three-dimensional surroundings.

A set of 16 sky boxes, perfect for video games or your art projects. Each skybox scene comes with 6 1024x1024 images in the highest resolution jpg. Skyboxes also come with ready made cubes with the scenes applied to there surface so you can apply them straight to your scene, these come as both single cube and cube made from sheets in .obj and .x format.

Ideal for use in virtually all game engines. You are not limited to skyboxes as the textures provided can also easily be applied to cube and spherical mapping"



I need some feedback on what you think is the right price for a product like this.
We have two products, OOTB Skybox1 and OOTB Skybox2.

Out Of The Box Sky Box System

OOTB Skybox1

link to web page with the product below
http://www.avantivita.com/ootb_skybox1.html



OOTB Skybox2

link to web page with the product below
http://www.avantivita.com/ootb_skybox2.html



Free sample of the product is here
http://www.avantivita.com/sample_skybox.html

What price do you think would be right for each of the skybox packs?

Avanti Vita Studios http://www.avantivita.com
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Posted: 24th Sep 2007 03:05
how many skyboxes are in each pack?



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Posted: 24th Sep 2007 04:15
There are two links above to see the packs. Ill make it clearer in the post so people can see the links take you to my site with the images.

Avanti Vita Studios http://www.avantivita.com
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Posted: 24th Sep 2007 05:08 Edited at: 24th Sep 2007 05:37
I have visited the site and they look great!
Well done, congratulations!

Quote: "What price do you think would be right for each of the skybox packs?"

$10 - $15 would be a reasonable price.

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Posted: 24th Sep 2007 17:09
They do look good but I think a price will depend how many are in the pack.

I think as Ice cube said $10 would be a good price.


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Posted: 24th Sep 2007 18:18
If it's $10 per pack, I am definitely going to buy.
So, when do you plan to start selling?

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Posted: 24th Sep 2007 19:57
You have some very stunning Skybox's there, real works of art.
I would say around about $10 per Pack as well.

It would be good of you to maybe show a couple of screenshots of them in the FPSCreator environment to show how good they look.

Looking forward to seeing more.

All the best with these Packs.
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Posted: 24th Sep 2007 20:08
1 dollar... j/k
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Posted: 24th Sep 2007 20:57
Yes, these are really nice...would like to see them in FPSC though before I'd buy them

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Posted: 26th Sep 2007 02:26
Quote: "Yes, these are really nice...would like to see them in FPSC though before I'd buy them"


To see they work, - there is a free sample here
http://www.avantivita.com/sample_skybox.html

Its been asked a few times how many are in the pack, this is stated on the links at the top of the page.

For those that don't visit the link it is 16 skyboxes, Ill post a fuller outline in the original brief for those that don't follow the links.

Avanti Vita Studios http://www.avantivita.com
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Posted: 26th Sep 2007 10:19 Edited at: 26th Sep 2007 21:40
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Posted: 26th Sep 2007 17:15
Fallen one

I did go to your site and checked it all out but if you wish for people to buy your products, I feel that you yourself should make the effort and post an ingame screenshot with maybe the free skybox from your site.

You have some very nice work and good luck with the sales.

All the best
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Posted: 26th Sep 2007 17:32 Edited at: 26th Sep 2007 17:33
I agree with @Ross tra damus.
A free skybox is not that important, but you have to include an in-game screenshot if you want to attract more users.
Anyway, I'll by at least one of the packs if the price is reasonable. Hope you'll not change the licence and I can still use these in other projects (not in games only).

EDIT: Your work is stunning Btw.

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Posted: 26th Sep 2007 21:29 Edited at: 26th Sep 2007 21:40
The skyboxes will be released in a couple of days, I get a whole bunch of ingame screens ready for the release so you can see what they look like in game. I think to gauge the price we can look at what's available right now, so lets look at skymatter from the Gamecreators

http://skymatter.thegamecreators.com

From the skymatter advert -
In Packs 1 to 5 each skybox face texture is 512 x 512 pixels in size
In the new Packs 6 to 10 each skybox face texture is 1024 x 1024 pixels in size
We have ten great SkyMATTER Packs on offer, each of them containing 10+ different sets of textures.

My skyboxes contain not 10 but 16 images more than half as much again, also all my images are 1024, plus they come on more than one model, they come on box made from 6 sheets and box made from inverted box, both in 1024 size plus the size of fpsc, I forgot the size they use for fpsc, but it has that size as well, also they come in both .x and obj, so you can use them in fpsc and other engines. My packs are bigger, are applied to more models, they will work for fpsc and outside 3d modeling programs, plus they are significantly better than the ones at the Game Creator Skymatter, which are just a terrain renders done in terregen, anyone can pick up terragen and click a few buttons and it will spit out a terrain for you, it takes much more effort to actually create a 3d scene, I used Bryce to render my images, Bryce is a real donkey of a renderer, some effects like the underwater city took days to render out all 6 images, many of the images took between 3-12 hours for each image, but it gives a compatible image with both old gen and next gen games, in fpsc they will fit in perfectly well in both DX9 and the improved DX10, I achieved good image balance to integrate with both of these programs and also any new engine that you may use, of note, the rez of my images is twice that of what fpsc uses at the moment so these can be used not only now but in your future projects and engines, so a great investment that can last in your games and art development, yes my skyboxes will work and are licensed not just for games but also your artistic renders and art creations..

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Posted: 28th Sep 2007 22:18
The Avanti Vita web site has been updated and you now have the ability to purchase, Ill be making an official thread and posting a movie on the packs when I get some time.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 00:34 Edited at: 29th Sep 2007 02:34
Quote: "you now have the ability to purchase"

I'm trying to buy both of them (the special offer), but I don't see "Buy Now", "Add to cart" or any option/link to purchase them. Is this the correct url: http://www.avantivita.com/store.html ?

Any idea how to do it?

EDIT: I've attached a sample screen - no links on your page, just 2 images and text.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 08:44 Edited at: 29th Sep 2007 12:30
hmm it was OK before, it should have 3 boxes for 3 products, ill upload the site again.

just uploaded the site again, should be fine, I see sometimes we get a slider besides the buttons for buying, but a refresh on the page sorts them. Ill post a pic on what it should look like.





Let me know if the page is working correctly.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 16:48
If anyone can provide actual in game screen shots, I might be tempted.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 18:07
Quote: "Let me know if the page is working correctly."

No, it's still the same here. I've tested it with IE, Firefox and Netscape.
Is there anything I should update - Flash, Java...? (although I've already done that)

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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 18:48 Edited at: 29th Sep 2007 18:53
Quote: "If anyone can provide actual in game screen shots, I might be tempted."


A movie will be coming up.

Also can other people test that page, go to the store page.
http://www.avantivita.com/store_.html

I want to see if its one computer or other people are affected by this. It works fine on my computer.

Ive worked it out, you are going to the wrong page, Ill check my files, thats a dud page you went to.
its this
http://www.avantivita.com/store_.html
you went here
http://www.avantivita.com/store.html

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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 18:53 Edited at: 29th Sep 2007 18:56
@fallen one, that's a different URL. It's what it should look like now.
I'll try to buy

Edit: Please change your "store" link to "...store_.html". It's "...store.html" now.

At least here: http://www.avantivita.com/ootb_skybox1.html
and here: http://www.avantivita.com/ootb_skybox2.html

Cheers!

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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 18:56
its the links on the product are wrong, use the side bar thing, ill alter it all and get the links right, wow so busy today its mental, for those wanting to see the ingame shots Ill get these done as quick as possible hold with me.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 19:09 Edited at: 29th Sep 2007 19:11
I've just made the payment, but the redirect doesn't work.
Please, have a look at the screen attached.
In order to use website payments, you have to configure it manually in your paypal account.
Anyway, could you please check have you received the payment?
You can also send the sky boxes to my e-mail address if you want.
Thanks!

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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 22:07
send me your email you ordered with and ill check it came through, you can post your email on my website email form and it will get to me.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 22:14
Done.
"Your order has been sent and will be processed as quickly as possible"

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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 22:49
Ice cube and Terry, yes your orders have come through, they will be sent off on Sunday night when I process the orders that have been coming through.
I use paypal which isnt automated, as in it recieves orders and sends out the product, with paypal you manually have to send out your orders.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 23:04
Ok, thanks a lot!
Quote: "I use paypal which isnt automated.."

I know, but you can do it automated if you use a shopping cart system (Zen Cart for ex. - it's free and open source). It will save you some time. It's up to you of course. The way you've done it now will also work.
Good luck with the sales!

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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 23:34 Edited at: 29th Sep 2007 23:35
Thanks for the tip, Ill look into zen cart, On a lot of indie forums, they are signed up to various e commerce services that charge them up 10% of the purchase price to processes the order, I think the services the indie devs was using came with a key gen service as well, Ive been talking to Dave from Phoenix about encryption, if zen cart can process orders and the download, if it was combined with an online key then indies could save money in processing video game orders, Ill have to look into zen cart and see exactly what it does.

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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 23:58
Quote: "Thanks for the tip"

Hope it helps.
Well Zen Cart works great for me, but you may also check "OS Commerce" - may be the most popular free shopping cart in the world.
Anyway, are you planning to release any other product similar to the skyboxes? Models, textures...?

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Posted: 30th Sep 2007 14:56 Edited at: 30th Sep 2007 15:01
On the site the free skybox, if you tried it for fpsc, it may not of worked as it used a different naming convention, fpsc like 3 capital letter names, some of you may of re named it to work, (like not this, fancypantsskies.x but this FPS.x also the file it comes from must follow the same naming)

anyway, I've put a new file up that will work with FPSC,
stick it into your skybank and you should have no trouble runing it, the read me tells you what file to use ingame.
Its the DNC.x

Here's the free Dune City re done pack file.

http://www.avantivita.com/CommunityProductFiles/OOTBskyboxDC2.zip

Just stick it in your skybank to use it.

I am going to send the orders out on the skyboxes, Im just going to eat lunch first.

On other products being released, depends on how popular this one is, I have another skybox pack that will come out if the sales of these ones goes well, the backgrounds are done and they await the buildings for them, Im a beta tester on an application that Ill be using to create the structures that are in the fantasy scapes, so Ill be using that to complete the new pack OOTB3 when I have time.

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Posted: 30th Sep 2007 23:59
Ok, did you finish with your lunch? Waiting for the packs.
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Posted: 1st Oct 2007 02:34
Ive sent out mails with download links, mails playing up, ill have to mess with it, so I'm not sure if the mails got to the people that have purchased packs, the mails stated that the OOTB pack 1 was available and that the second pack will be up on Monday afternoon, that's if I can fix my mail account.

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Posted: 1st Oct 2007 02:38 Edited at: 1st Oct 2007 04:29
Yes and you've typed the links incorrectly
I figured out the correct links by myself and downloaded the products.
I've sent you an e-mail to tell you what to change.

Edit: Btw, the skyboxes are just stunning! (as I've expected).
Here's a sample FPSC in-game screen.

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Posted: 1st Oct 2007 10:07 Edited at: 1st Oct 2007 13:12
Yes a few technical problems, my mail accounts are playing up, Im going to put internet explorer and outlook express back in and re configure my accounts.

Im glad you like the skyboxes, Ive taken a load of screenshots and will make a little flash movie when I get time, some I like better than others, I quite like the forest one, it came out quite well, but they really do enhance a game using them, they kind of set the scene for the theme of the level, Ive noticed that configuring them in limited in fpsc than in other game engines, I don't see an option to raise the camera in the skybox, I find they are set high by default with the viewpoint of the box being half way up, its better if it was two thirds down the skybox, you can get a lower view by starting your level further down, I see you can go 500 units down in the fpsc editor for your lowest level, that gives a view lower down the skybox which looks better, Ill mail the gamecreators when I get time and ask them if there is anyway to change the viewpoint in the skybox to a lower one, if there is then one can configure the skybox exactly how one would like it, which is needed for the very best alignment, Im a bit of a perfectionist so these little details matter to me.

New Post-
Ive sent the stuff out to the first orders, second part will be later this day, let me know if anyone has any problems.

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Very nice work fallen one, I've made a few skyboxes using Bryce 5.5 from DAZ and Skies from tschwarz that turned out nice but nothing as elaborate as you have made in this pack, what terrain generating program did you use to make these if you don’t mind me asking ?

I was also wondering why there is 3 different X files for the same skybox when you only need one X file , all three seem to work the same, but I thinks it will be confusing for newbies trying to load them and you will probable get a lot of “which one do I use e-mails”

Again great work.


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Posted: 1st Oct 2007 16:13 Edited at: 1st Oct 2007 16:23
The file to use is the one that is made from just 3 digits,

example.

aboveandbeyond.x
Nope not this one, its too long.
AAB.x
Yep that's the one, its only 3 letter name.
So the file to use is the one that is made from 3 digits, this is the one that's especially made for gamecreator products.

I made all these in Bryce 5, I now have Bryce 6 for the new ones Ill be putting out, version 6 is quicker to render, its easier to get a good sky for the renderer as well, could of done with it for OOTB pack 1 and 2, some of the meshes are made from an outside program and imported in, I used wings3d, its completely free, great tool, I imported it into Bryce and gave it a material. I also paint into them in photoshop if I want to change stuff, plus I also run some filters over them sometimes to add things or change it in some way. Bryce is a funny program, Ive seen some awesome stuff by some artists, and other times so absolute rubbish, its a strange 3d program that way, if one learns its funny ways of doing things one can really get some nice things out of it very quickly, but you have to learn its funny peculiarities to get the most out of it, one mouse click to change a variable can turn a piece from rubbish into gold and visa versa, like I say, its just an odd program, but for speed an ease I think its great, good price and great for beginners to 3d.

I will be putting a flash animation up today with ingame screens showing the skyboxes. Just getting it done now.

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Ya I was thinking about upgrading to Bryce 6.1 but I wasn't sure if it was worth the money, I haven't had any problems with 5.5 although rendering does take a little while especially if your rending it Super fine Art mode, And your right about the learning the little quirks with it, I think I'm going to upgrade now.

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Posted: 1st Oct 2007 18:28 Edited at: 1st Oct 2007 20:02
The upgrade is very cheap and it does have a speed boast, plus its a whole lot easier getting good skies, before it was a lot of just getting lucky to get a good sky, with version 6 the odds go up further, you seem to get lucky and get presented with a good sky more of the time, I did the scenes much quicker with my third pack, before id spend hours messing trying to get a good sky, not with version 6, so those are the 2 things I noticed, faster render, perhaps slightly better quality, and easier to get a good sky, so a good time saving for the last one, the upgrade is really cheap so its not bad, could do with some extra features though for the next one. Vue looks like a nice program, I may try that some time.
Also check out renderosity as well, that's a good site for Bryce users, I plan to sell some art assets on that site to, the user base is very large, so nice big target audience.

Almost ready to upload a slide show on ingame screens using OOTB, Ill not link it as I want to make a forums post with all my adverts for OOTB, this thread is just for ironing out any problems, well it was for the cost of the product but has spilled into a pre release thread.

Update, I have added the slide show on my web site, not sure how it works on all browsers, it should do a fade between images. Im not linking it as this thread is for testing, once I have released everything Ill make a new thread for the promotion of the product.

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Posted: 2nd Oct 2007 00:05
Wow! Those look fantastic! Are all those images in the slideshow just from one pack? If both pack have the same quality artwork that this is a definite buy!

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Yes that's one pack, (OOTB1) Im just on the other pack now(OOTB2), 1 hours time it will be up.
We have two packs that are available.
There's a deal on at the moment, If you get both packs its a saving of 33% over buying single items, so its cheaper to buy 2 packs, for that low price you get 32 sky boxes, should fill most needs of the fpsc user for there projects.

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Posted: 2nd Oct 2007 01:42
Will this offer still be on for Friday? Pay day you see.

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Yep it will still be on Friday.

Site update, OOTB 2 now has its slide show up.

Also sorry to those expecting the OOTB pack 2 to be delivered today, it will be Tuesday night UK time, its been full on today so I didn't get time to sort out the orders, still with the slide show you get a preview and its only 1 day. I've got though my work load so things will be quicker for orders after Tuesday.

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Posted: 2nd Oct 2007 08:51
fallen one - these are great looking skyboxes, the forest is one of my favorites. great job on these..thanks
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Posted: 3rd Oct 2007 09:46 Edited at: 3rd Oct 2007 14:51
Second part of the order being posted out now, new customers have their full order posted as well.

some wrong links was posted, the second links sent today are the correct ones.

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Quote: "Thanks a lot and happy birthday!"

apart from my mother you the first to say so, thank you

the second skybox is enhanced over the one posted one site, the sun skybox is much better and the planet moon is better as well.

I think Ill make an official posting with all advertising info on as this thread is a test on price.

Let me just say a thank you to my early adopters who was the first to purchase the pack.

Rick from The Game Creators has expressed an interest in the packs so we may see it in a higher profile. They may want to change the price so step in quickly if you want to secure the current intro price range that the early adopters have had.

Later today Ill make an official post launching the pack.

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Fallen One

Was only going to purchase pack 1 but both packs for £9.99 featuring no less than 32 commercial quality skyboxes was too good to miss. Received the downloads today and not disappointed.

I'm not surprised RickV has taken an interest in these, they would serve FPSC X10 users every bit as well as current X9 users due to the quality.

Are you using Bryce to make them and if so how long does it take to make 1 skybox of this quality approximately?

Thanks for releasing a great product at a very reasonable price, especially when both packs purchased as a bundle.
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Quote: "I'm not surprised RickV has taken an interest in these, they would serve FPSC X10 users every bit as well as current X9 users due to the quality."


Yes I agree, thats exactly what I thought, can be used for both programs, personally if I was a punter going to a store to buy fpsc dx10, If I saw the models that have been shown in dx10, and these skyboxes in with the app, then Id get excited at the possibilities, skyboxes sort of act like a backdrop, they set the scene, they give you ideas on what can be possible. So yes I think these would look great in DX10

Yes I use Bryce, one could use higher end programs but the renders would come out too realistic for games, Bryce make a render that can fit both fpsc dx9 games and dx10 games, so its ideal for video game work.

Now how long in creation is another matter, Bryce is a real donkey to render out, the underwater cities skybox took 3 days to render out all 6 images, not all take that, some may take an hour for each image or less, some may take a few hours for each image to render, whatever it takes times in by 6, and thats just the render, plus you have to design them and then post work, it takes a long time, very time consuming, it looks simple but it isn't. But it all depends on what you are doing, Bryce is touch and go, you can get lucky and just hit it right and it all works, Bryce 6 is much better at getting lucky over version 5.

Now as for modelling and creating, thats up to you to come up with a nice design, there are a lot of tricks in using Bryce, you learn them over time, if I did another pack, which I have 3/4 of what I need for, it would come a lot quicker, like I say you just learn the extent of the program and what it can do, same as any program.

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If you're ever going to do another skybox pack, I would love to see realistic backdrops; like a forest, or town, or city, or hills, that sort of thing. Something that would lend itself well to a horror type game that's not set in fantasy or sci-fi.

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Joined: 11th Dec 2006
Location: At the bakery
Posted: 4th Oct 2007 01:40
Yup just plain skyboxes are mostly the best,
Since you are not stricted to pick a theme for that certain skybox.

Cheers,
Cheese Cake.


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