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Geek Culture / Cases of your Mom/Dad hating your girlfriend? (And inter racial dating)

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Drew Cameron
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Posted: 29th Sep 2007 23:41
Racism and discrimination always has and always will be a part of all societies.

My two cents.

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Posted: 30th Sep 2007 00:14
Yeah, like Scottish people releasing shows about a Milk carton that hates the English... But yes you are right.

Quote: "Its amazing - in spite of our agreeable dislike to racism we still refer "asian" women or "white" women or "black" women - da di da di da!"


'black', 'white' and 'asian' isn't racist, how else do you expect us to describe each other? Referring to someone as 'Black', 'white' or Asian, is like saying "he's blonde, she's ginger, he's tall, she's short..." etc. Of course, it's prejudice and discrimination we don't like, like she's Asian, lets throw puppies at her! Though throwing puppies at Asian women is a fun thing to do and I regularly enjoy partaking in such activities on the weekend, last week I knocked out a Chinese Girl with a greyhound...

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Posted: 30th Sep 2007 01:34 Edited at: 30th Sep 2007 01:35
Okay.....*hands over throne to seppuku*

As of this moment, you officially out-craze me.

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Seppuku - watch out with the greyhounds. You knów I used them for experiments with Dave Grohl.

Quote: "Racism and discrimination always has and always will be a part of all societies."

Agreed. Final.


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Posted: 1st Oct 2007 01:11 Edited at: 1st Oct 2007 01:24
Quote: "I hope that's a joke"

No it's not but I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say (my bad - sorry). I was trying to say that we refer to people as "asian", "black" etc... while forgetting that we are all still human in the end. While physicality or tradition/culture does make us divide ourselves off it is NOT a good enough excuse to feel superior/inferior. That would be like saying "I'm thinner than he/she thus I'm more of a human being or better than he/she" - ridiculous no?

And also...
Quote: "Racism and discrimination always has and always will be a part of all societies"


Why?

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Posted: 1st Oct 2007 01:17
Ah the blasted da di da di da, well you had me a fool.

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Posted: 1st Oct 2007 01:35
Quote: "Why?"


Because there will always be people who think themselves better than others, or who are taught to hate a particular group. Unless there's some Darwinian evolution theory that expects racist people to die out, I suspect they'll be around forever. Don't ask me why people hate, cause I don't have the fuzziest idea why.

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Posted: 1st Oct 2007 02:38
Humans are categorical my nature. Just think about all they ways we divide ourselves, race, language, wealth, weight, religion, age, political view, etc.

From the very beginning, we have been putting ourselves into groups, and this is in part what makes us human. There is nothing wrong with this either.

Its when we think one group is superior or inferior and we forget that we are all humans that we have a problem.


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Posted: 1st Oct 2007 02:39
@HWT - I didn't misunderstand what you said, and your post trying to clear it up sounds completely different

I just can't stand those people who tell us to "not see each other's colour"--- well that's simply B.S. as it's impossible. We're not blind, after all.

@Megs - Anyways, inter-racial kids have stronger genetics than purebreds, so just tell your mom that and she'll understand

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Quote: "various people sharing the world and being equal, but looking different."


That was the nicest thing about humanity I've heard in a long time, thanks jeku .

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Posted: 1st Oct 2007 03:07 Edited at: 1st Oct 2007 03:09
Quote: "I just can't stand those people who tell us to "not see each other's colour"--- well that's simply B.S. as it's impossible. We're not blind, after all."


Oh man, tell me about it. That hippy cr*p just gets weird sometimes, and people who say only help increase the racial tension.

I see people sometimes being put into a position where they have to describe sometime. The fact that they feel uncomfortable doing it proves that "not seeing each other's colour" is bs.

A typical example of a white guy trying to describe a black guy:

"Yeah, he just went through that door. He was uh...tall...red shirt on. Kinda funky glasses. Didn't have a lot of hair...er...bit of facial hair..."

Mentioned basically everything but the skin. Even worse when they do mention it, but say "of African descent". Or refer to an asian guy as "oriental looking".

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Quote: "@Megs - Anyways, inter-racial kids have stronger genetics than purebreds, so just tell your mom that and she'll understand "

Don't let Voldemort hear that...


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Ok, there has to be someone here who IS racist. I mean, I run into them all the time in real life. I'd LOVE to hear a good reason as to WHY you are racist.

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Posted: 1st Oct 2007 04:34
Quote: "Don't let Voldemort hear that..."


you show much disrespect by saying that tha_rami, it's LORD Voldemort. remember that next time or i will report this to Lord Voldemort, and belive me, i dont think he'll take it lightly..


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Posted: 1st Oct 2007 05:44 Edited at: 1st Oct 2007 05:45
I think he will. I have something he doesn't...

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Posted: 1st Oct 2007 05:49
Crucio...Lord Voldemort does not apprcieate mudbloods poking at him.

But anyway, this is all bollockesd up isn't it, I hate when this sort of bigotry happens. People need not judge by color but by character and attitude, I can point you to the biggest batch of loser white people on the map, hell even the school they go to, but see it wouldn't really matter that they're white, they're still just punks.

I truly hope that this will work out for you mate, you have my support.

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Posted: 1st Oct 2007 06:18 Edited at: 1st Oct 2007 06:18
Damn it, don't say his name! *poof* RUN!!!

(reference to the last book, hehe)

But seriously, do people really have trouble with color? If there's a black guy, I say he's black.

Quote: "Even worse when they do mention it, but say "of African descent". Or refer to an asian guy as "oriental looking"."


And yet no one has problems with saying that person is white... just goes to show the double standard that's come to be.

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Quote: "But seriously, do people really have trouble with color? If there's a black guy, I say he's black. "

That does annoy me when black people are offended when someone calls them black, and they would rather be called "African American". How come white people shouldn't be offended if someone calls us "White", wouldn't it be more "politically correct" to call us Caucasian. It's just a reference to what is normally your most obvious feature, your skin color, but sometimes people seem to take it offensively .


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Here's something for you. Black History Month. Racist or not? I think it is. It's giving the African American folks 1 month to remember their past. What is the rest of the year for, just us Caucasians? And what about the Orientals? I'm sorry, Black History Month is just a sad attempt to be accepting of black folks or something. In my opinion it fails. They don't want special treatment, they just wanna be treated like the human beings they are.

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It's like 'Gay Pride' in the Netherlands. While homosexuals want to be treated as normal people, some weirdo's go dress up in pink, tight latex outfits and dance around with massive...

Okay, to keep myself from getting banned. Everything that is 'specially for acceptance of an minority' will lead to further expanding the cliff between groups.


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Posted: 1st Oct 2007 10:42
Quote: "African American"


Oh, don't get me started. I have a friend from Haiti who constantly gets referred to as "African Canadian". Why do people not realize that black people are not only of African ascension??? If anything he should be called Haitian or, I dunno, French Canadian

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Quote: "@HWT - I didn't misunderstand what you said, and your post trying to clear it up sounds completely different "

That's why I said "my bad" - I should have made it clearer. And also why I said "I was trying" to say...

I understand that we refer to each other as asian and black simply because of the distinguishing feature. But we, as I mentioned ago, sometimes fail to realise that despite them being asian or black or something else, they are still human after all and no less than anybody else. That was the take home message I was trying to send - my apologies for the confusion.

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Posted: 1st Oct 2007 11:53
That's why i love this forum, there's so many down-to-earth people here.

I guess it's because we are programmers and we have a good understanding of logic.

If we are going to be "politically correct", we should call everyone for "african [insert rnd country]" because dind't modern humans all come from Africa?

I personally get annoyed everytime i hear "african [insert rnd country]" because of the very reasons Jeku and Gil mentioned. The one time i tried to talk sense into a person using the term, i was looked upon as a racist.

Oh dear, with the many pathetic encounters i've had with homo-sapiens, i have grown to dislike humans until verified that they're relatively sane. Guilty until proven innocent.

Quote: "Ok, there has to be someone here who IS racist. I mean, I run into them all the time in real life. I'd LOVE to hear a good reason as to WHY you are racist."


Yes please, don't be afraid to come forward. I'd love to hear it.

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Posted: 1st Oct 2007 12:05 Edited at: 1st Oct 2007 12:06
As if they would. Racism is either elitaristic (intellectuals, most cases liberals who feel immigrants are bad for the economy) or plain stupid. Any intellectual would see they would be frowned upon in this discussion and probably be outnumbered in the following discussion. Besides, any intellectual would also consider that the AUP denies him the ability to voice his arguments. The stupids are either not here or afraid.

So, no. Won't happen.


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Posted: 1st Oct 2007 12:45 Edited at: 1st Oct 2007 12:52
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Posted: 1st Oct 2007 18:51
People just need to watch Dave Chapelle. That dude has done more racism problems than the majority of the hippie movements.

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Posted: 1st Oct 2007 22:17
Quote: "Ok, there has to be someone here who IS racist. I mean, I run into them all the time in real life. I'd LOVE to hear a good reason as to WHY you are racist."


Don't make answer that one, because I will be just taking the mick and people will mis interpret, most in particularly the French on here...I mean god and those Norwegians, I mean they all take things seriously, I mean dude take a break once in a while, I mean the French are too cowardly to have a sense of humour and the Norwegians, well they think they're on top of the worlds because they had Vikings, and well newsflash, so did the Danes, but that have a great sense of humour, unfortunately one that got a certain cartoon writer in trouble...

Uh well, um yes, I made my facetious point and really, I love the French and the Norwegians, Napoleon was a complete legend.

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My ex was Vvietnamese, before that anglo, before that Lebanese, and before that Lebanese, before that anglo again. Safe to say that I've had a fairly non anglo sex-life. Living in Australia we are fairly multicutural, my mother only had a problem with the Lebanese girl, mainly because my mother had a Lebanese boyfriend once and was worried about the girls Muslim parents (no not out of racism, just their strict policies on relations).

My Vietnamese girlfriend was awesome, her parents were both from Vietnam but she grew up here in Australia. Her mother was fine with me, never met the dad though cause apparently he wouldn't be fine with me :x. My mum was more than happy with her despite some of the crazy asian stereotype jokes she (ad I ) would make (like love you long time etc). Anyway my point is that it's not the point what her race is, it's about the relationship you have with her. If you guys are great together then to heck what your mother thinks and I wish you the best.

As for the white guys with Asian girls, you're mother doesn't know the half of it. It's quite common in the country areas here in Australia to see an old anglo farmer with a young Asian wife. Basically they are getting old, there isn't enough women (or none willing) so they take a trip to neighboring Bali and pick up a wife. it's the whole, marry an Australian man and get auto citizenship. it happens quite a lot and it's sad yet funny to see. Hhowever I am sure that you are not an example of such so congrats on being persuaded ;D and good luck to you both.

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Okay here is my life story i am achuu seven tee nnn . Okay i have the greatest girlfriend in the world!!!! She is freaking amazing marvelous hot sweet and she hearts me thats all that matters. My life at 3 little kid having fun playing with gi joes. My life at 10 well who cares dude if u love the girl good take care of her and keep her closer then the most expensive treasure u have. She should be the 1st priorty in ur life my gf is my #1 thing i care about her most.

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Based upon my reading, i have to say... racism is dying. Tell your mom that. She's a racist and she's going to die... like everyone else on this planet... because we are all built like humans... who age... and have feelings... and SHUT THE **** UP, MOM!!!

I happen to be dating a very cute pinay (Philipino... er... Filipino... er... Pilipino) girl. Going on ... oh god, I lost track of the years, she's gonna kill me.

My parents have no problem with it, they love her. Her parents like me just as much. (I like to think, anyway. That day her Mom tried to bless me because I had "demons devouring my soul" made me wonder.) I, however, am very uncomfortable around her parents. To be very frank, they're short, and speak in tagalog when they're yelling at her and don't want me to understand what's going on. It's very rude to leave me out like that on purpose. Her Dad gets on my nerves a lot because he'll yell at her for ANYthing, like her car's window stopped working one day, he blew up in her face while I was there! The TV remote lost it's front cover and he yelled at her and took her car away because she said she had nothing to do with it! WTF kinda family is that??? Culture my f***ing foot! Nobody should act like that towards their own kid over BS matters!

Culture is an illusion to me. If you're doing something that is obviously stupid and wrong, culture has nothing to do with it, and I hate it when my friend or anyone claims that it's "culture" that makes them act that way! BULL!!! I bet they weren't treated that way as kids! If they were, they'd know how it feels to be put down that way! No body ends up like their parents, it's as simple as that!

Races, culture, etc are all BS. I'm a human, she's a human, I like her, she likes me, we're going out now, end of story!!! Don't ever give me this "But she's from a different culture than you are, you won't get along very well," or "She's black/asian/korean/white/hispanic, and you're not so you won't work out together," you piece of FOD, it doesn't matter!! How we get along has nothing to do with our backgrounds! I've changed for her and she changed for me! What else could prove a compatibility more than that??

Aikicat, I feel for you. Good luck, and forget anyone who judges you based upon who you fall in love with!!!


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Posted: 6th Oct 2007 08:25 Edited at: 6th Oct 2007 08:28
Quote: "WTF kinda family is that??? Culture my f***ing foot! Nobody should act like that towards their own kid over BS matters!

Culture is an illusion to me. If you're doing something that is obviously stupid and wrong, culture has nothing to do with it, and I hate it when my friend or anyone claims that it's "culture" that makes them act that way! BULL!!! I bet they weren't treated that way as kids! If they were, they'd know how it feels to be put down that way! No body ends up like their parents, it's as simple as that!"


I have a strict policy to disagree at most three times a day, but for you I'll make an exception. You're being extremely short-sighted, if you ask me.

Culture does also includde one's thoughts about right and wrong, justice and injustice. About what is stupid and not. What is normal and not. That in your culture such a thing is wrong doesn't mean it's stupid.

So, even though her parents were most likely treated the same way, they find it normal, exactly bécause they were most likely treated the same way. Your claim that nobody ends up like their parents is untrue - you keep some of the values, some of the customs and some of the feelings they had.

There are cultures in which people walk around naked with nothing but a few leaves to cover their private parts, where people beat each other up, where they pull fishhooks through each others back, where they find inequality normal. That is culture. We may agree or disagree, but no one will care. Just as we don't adjust to them, they won't adjust to us. Not very much, very fast, anyway.

I find it amazing how most of the Western world seems to think their vision of a good world is the only correct vision. My Dutch mum had one of those runs last week.

My Egyptian niece just delivered a baby which immediately turned out to be near-dead. The baby required 3 extremely difficult operations to have any chance of survival. The first operation was succesful, a few days ago. My niece still doesn't know about anything, only that the baby is in the hospital.

My mum found it inhuman to not tell my niece what is wrong. My Egyptian father finds is very normal - they didn't told him his father died neither, until he found out himself. In that culture, they feel they should protect people from pain as much as possible, and it is normal to hide stuff.

Is that wrong? Keeping information from the mother of a new-born child? I feel not. Why not? It's culture. She'll understand, because it is normal. And she'd do exactly the same if it happened to someone else.

However unethical we may find it. Our view is not applicable.

I do find you're correct about the matching thing. Culture is no barrier in true love. You love her. She loves you. Don't forget, however, that when things get serious there will be some sharp edges to discuss. For example, try the subject of children if you're from two totally opposite cultures. Fun. Can recommend the discussion.


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Quote: "Culture is an illusion to me. If you're doing something that is obviously stupid and wrong, culture has nothing to do with it, and I hate it when my friend or anyone claims that it's "culture" that makes them act that way! BULL!!! I bet they weren't treated that way as kids! If they were, they'd know how it feels to be put down that way! No body ends up like their parents, it's as simple as that!"


Couldn't be further from the truth, but you have your own opinion, and that's cool

You have a pinay girlfriend so you should understand that there is a real cultural difference and people are raised differently in other countries and cultures.

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If it's any consolation, I find the degree of prejudice about girlfriends in slow decline in the US at least over the last half century that I have been observing it, and I have seen some people outgrow it in their own lifetime, although slowly.

My own mother (a WASP), was forbidden by her parents to date even second generation Italian boys in the 1930's. In the 1970s she loosened up a bit, and only objected to my younger brother dating a black girl. In the 1980's he married a Chinese girl and although my mother quietly gnashed her teeth over it she didn't spew venom his way. By the time she turned 80, she suddenly freed herself from all prejudice, and was lucky enough to live four years thereafter in the joy of loving everybody.

At my age I don't have to worry about attitudes of my deceased parents, but rather have to keep an eye out as to whether my three adult children are giving thumbs up or thumbs down on a girl (guess I should say "woman") I get involved with. Last year I started dating a Japanese woman, and my kids (and grandson) welcomed her with open arms. My family is finally rid of the attitude, but it came slowly.
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Posted: 7th Oct 2007 00:24 Edited at: 7th Oct 2007 00:26
One thing I don't like is that the worry over racism has gone too far sometimes. For example, the whole accepting more minorities into college based on race. That shouldn't even be a field the admissions people see! What the heck does race have anything to do with intelligence? Are people so obsessed with being accused of being racist that they actually become somewhat "racist" the other way? If something like that is with white people, it's considered racist, if with a minority, it's only being fair .


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Quote: "One thing I don't like is that the worry over racism has gone too far sometimes. For example, the whole accepting more minorities into college based on race. That shouldn't even be a field the admissions people see! What the heck does race have anything to do with intelligence? Are people so obsessed with being accused of being racist that they actually become somewhat "racist" the other way? If something like that is with white people, it's considered racist, if with a minority, it's only being fair ."

I fully, fully, extremely fully agree. It's a bit like with emancipation around here. 25% of personel should be female if there are enough female applications. Whát? And whát if this female is a blond, stupid, twit and I have to drop a well-educated, talented male?


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Agreed!

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