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MikeB
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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 00:22
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Ok...we all know that in most MMOs you can do emotes, such as typing "/wave" to wave. What we don't all know is that there are programs that read your expression off a webcam.

What to do:

Make 100-1000 different animations, on as many different facial (and maybe bodily, such as waving) expressions as possible.

Then, when the program detects you are smiling it would tell the game, which would then play the "Smile" emote for example.

I thought of more, but I'm tired so will now go to bed and read replies in the morning.

'night all, and I'm happy to be back =)

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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 00:27
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I posted before this got locked!

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It's a very fancy idea, but I dont want to sit and make faces at my webcam all day

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Actally, this would be better put in Game Theory. I think this kind of idea is more than possible with current technology, but for some reason I doubt it will get popular. If I need to go to the toilet or get angry on my mum - I can't imagine having my level 33 Fighter jumping around angrily in a Dungeon in Rappelz.


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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 00:40 Edited at: 27th Oct 2007 00:40
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I posted before

a) You got slapped for saying that

b) Your IQ rose high enough for you to realise your utter inferiority to anything and everything else on the surface of this planet.


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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 00:42
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Uhhhhhhh.... I forgot
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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 00:43 Edited at: 27th Oct 2007 00:44
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Quote: "b) Your IQ rose high enough for you to realise your utter inferiority to anything and everything else on the surface of this planet."

You do have a feeling for irony, eh. If I were a mod, you'd get a warning for saying that.


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It's funny how cool guy can't tell the difference between an interesting thread and absolute garbage.

I think this falls under interesting.

But I agree with Rami. I once had a teddy bear that would record and replay 5 seconds of whatever was said to it, and it's cute little mouth would move up and down.

One day my Mom was yelling at me, and the bear repeated what she said. That bear lost it's mouth, and insides, that day.


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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 01:09 Edited at: 27th Oct 2007 01:10
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why not have the technology put your face (and even your whole body) in the game in realtime via the webcam?

certainly the dynamic headshot is doable, then at least you could still sit at your computer while playing

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Because maybe I don't want my face in a game? I hate it that they keep removing borders between the real world and the virtual world. Games are escapism and fun if you ask me. I don't want to be myself - I want to be some cool dude with some cool objective to complete by some cool measures.


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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 01:13
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technology allows it to be OPTIONAL
I was asking MikeB by the way

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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 01:13 Edited at: 27th Oct 2007 01:15
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You'd sit at the computer anyway =). Just because I'm out of ideas, let's just say they put it in World of Warcraft. If the software/webcam picked up that you are smiling, it would do the "laugh" emote, if it picked up that you are angry it would do the "angry" emote etc. etc.

If you could cope with lifting your hand off the mouse for a second you could wave.

You could wink and it would come up with "Charactername winks at you" etc. it would be so much fun.

And if you were in a raid group you could maybe bind a skill to "wink" meaning that if you winked you would do the skill.

Damn that would be funny to watch...

*Mother walks into sons room.*
*Son is winking every 3 seconds with his left eye, every 5 seconds with his right*
*Mother calls Phsychiatrist*

And on that bombshell it's time to end the show, good night!

MB

P.S. For the "putting your face in the game" thing, I don't think tech has advanced far enough for that to be worth it. I mean...you'd have to have all those 1000 animations for every single face shape in the world. /e dies

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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 01:41
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Noob slapped for 7 days. I have made this clear to you specifically several times, and you were one of the reasons for the massive mod board cleanup. Stop dragging this board down, or expect a full out ban next time.

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i dont belive this would be posable using only 1 camara, the human face is not a flat plane, so you would need more points of view to be able to reproduce remotily realistic expretions. and curently motion capture of faces includes fasaning allot of markers to the face, as well as expensive hardware/softwere (no, i have never done motion capture )

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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 03:01
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awesome idea awesome additions to idea.
I have an idea to add to this idea: What if instead of private chat, you had secret codes made out of facial expressions! It would be useful in team battles where you make hand gestures and facial expressions.
Oh! Even better, it keeps track of your hands and expressions and other players can see a picture of you making faces at them.
Kind of hard to explain what I mean though....

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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 03:08
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This can be accomplished much easier through the use of code words.

The owl flies at midnight! Or something like that.


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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 03:54
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How about:
Quote: "dps adds thn main heal tank?"


CattleRustler, if you don't address someone when asking a question in general, do not expect me to smell who you're addressing.


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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 04:58
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Quote: "CattleRustler, if you don't address someone when asking a question in general, do not expect me to smell who you're addressing"


tha_rami, fair enough, but you answered me as if I was speaking to you directly. If my question was "general" as you just said, why answer it as if it were explicitly to you?

it seems we have a paradox

but its ok, dont answer, the question was rhetorical.

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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 05:31
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Quote: "but its ok, dont answer, the question was rhetorical."

Maybe the question was, but then you say:

Quote: "it seems we have a paradox"


So, not to answer your question but to explain why it is not paradoxal: Because a question in general could be considered to any person reading the question. A question in general nearly always comes down to a question explicitly to anyone reading it.

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CR, the rabi, lets not turn this into some sort of argument.

I think the idea for facial expresions to actions is good, but would be hard to implement, because of all the many different facial variets of people.

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I don't like the putting your actual faces in the game idea. My character would get owned.


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It could work straight away if you had everyone looking like the Holly from Red Dwarf (eg:a tv with a face running around on tracks) then you could just stick the cam info straight on the TV screen of the model. No technical issues. Might even be funny!

As it is, anything more complicated than that I'm not sure is possible in a game right now. You'd be forced to make exaggerated facial expressions the whole time just to get a reading and I doubt it would pick up the subtle differences in a normal human face.

To do this you would need to set up the webcam correctly. Stand/sit in a specific pose/position with you head straight towards the camera. You'd need some pretty sophisticated facial recognition software.

You'd probably end up with a stiff neck and RFI - Repetitive facial injury..

As for projecting faces in realtime onto a character in game. You could do it, but it would never look right.

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Posted: 27th Oct 2007 18:47 Edited at: 27th Oct 2007 18:47
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could the web cam take a face shot on an interval, then the image file could be used as the model file's head texture, replacing the texture every so often. its not efficient but it could be damn funny.

or the player could hit a key to take a new pic of their face when they want, that would be funny, and more efficient

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I can see some perv photographing something else than their face with that cam...


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The japanese made a robot that mimicked human facial expressions. It'd smile when you smiled at it, or would get scared and push its eyebrows up.


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Instead of creating an animation for each expression, you could manipulate the vertices. This would save a lot of space, and time.

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@Equinox: Due to the differences in peoples faces that wouldn't really be that possible.

@Phaelax: Which just goes to show it could be very possible.

@Others: I'm not really talking about "face in game", that's already been done, and, in my opinion, looks really bad =)


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about what equinox said: actually, there are ways to find certain points on the face so that you can tell how there face has changed and such. they use these same points in face recognition

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Hmmm.... Vey interesting. Perhaps... no, that's not possible
Okay, okay, I'll tell you what it is, but only if I can reply to someone at the same time:
Quote: "This can be accomplished much easier through the use of code words."

Well, then, don't you think this would be the appropriate Tuguk to Shnark-Blounce teh Flimsy Flambweasel? Remember, only at Gyhjk.
So that's my 2 cents.

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Quote: "@Equinox: Due to the differences in peoples faces that wouldn't really be that possible."

I don't see why not... unless you're expecting a cyclops or a minotaur playing your game. People's faces are very much alike, with differences being in proportion (which can be easily implemented with bones) and skin. The hard part is getting that data off a webcam into useful numbers, but it's not impossible. Facegen does a very good job of it, but the heads it makes are too high-poly for game use.

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Can't see why this wouldn't be as easy as hell if you know what you are doing. Anyone seen that software that comes with Logitech webcams? Keep meaning to set mine up, but basically it maps your face movements to a completely CGI avatar for use with webcam chats rather than using a pure webcam image of your face. Looks really neat. They even have software that does show your face but maps a pair of glasses onto you wherever you move on the screen. Pretty clever stuff.

Considering even my camera can follow your face around to focus onto, and I've seen others that will wait to take a picture once you smile, then this can't be that hard to do in a game. Bet someone is already working on it.

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Read this review of Logitech's webcam stuff. The face tracking avatar stuff is about half way down.

http://justanothermobilemonday.com/Wordpress/2007/09/02/review-logitech-quickcam-pro-for-notebooks/

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I would say, if the program can detect you're smiling on a webcam, it can translate that to vertices movement. The mechanism of detection and applying an animation can easily be convert to detection and movement of vertices.

Would be quite a cool idea. You could take it even further and use the lip sync technology, so when you speak and transmit your voice via whatever chat system, it syncs your lips too.


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Quote: "can easily be convert to detection and movement"
Totally. I'm surprised Logitech hasn't started creating an interface between their software and a few of the bigger games out there. Quick, someone patent the idea now! I will make a bet right now that someone has already patented it. Probably back in 1995 and they have done nothing about it since. Nice fat cheque for diddly squat coming their way soon...

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I've got the opportunity to do honor's with a professor here at Uni (starting February) who has thousands and thousands of dollars worth of equipment for tracking faces, objects, and the like.

It actually involves tracking a thrown disc for a virtual game. Which, coincidentally enough, I'm on the Ultimate Frisbee team here at Uni, and play Frolf every other day (I'm a little disc mad )

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Maybe instead of a webcam your character would smile if you hold down spacebar. If you don't hold space he slowly becomes sadder and sadder until he dies.

In any event using a webcam in this manner seems like a waste of processing power that wouldn't change the gameplaying experience. Plus I bet it would be prone to errors and would end up making everyone look crazy all the time. I'd just put a picture of Satan in front of the camera to freeze my face in perpetual horror. Everyone would be smiling and frowning as I murder their wimpy emotional characters with my heartless, emotionless Player Killer character. Haha.


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Quote: "why not have the technology put your face (and even your whole body) in the game in realtime via the webcam?"


Well the power needed to render all the polygons of the many very eh robust gamers would crash most systems.

The idea is interesting though. I just think the emote for the gamer screaming WTF would get really tired.

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Quote: "Quote: "b) Your IQ rose high enough for you to realise your utter inferiority to anything and everything else on the surface of this planet.""

Huh? I thought the rabbit was a Martian

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Quote: "Maybe instead of a webcam your character would smile if you hold down spacebar. If you don't hold space he slowly becomes sadder and sadder until he dies.
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Death by despondency. Nice.

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Quote: "b) Your IQ rose high enough for you to realise your utter inferiority to anything and everything else on the surface of this planet."

I find this phrase to be pointless; everything includes anything.

Quote: "I have an idea to add to this idea: What if instead of private chat, you had secret codes made out of facial expressions! It would be useful in team battles where you make hand gestures and facial expressions.
Oh! Even better, it keeps track of your hands and expressions and other players can see a picture of you making faces at them."

Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more!
I think they called that one the camera

I'm being very sarcastic
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