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I didn't bother to read all the posts here because I've read this argument countless times in multiple threads.

I love Halo ridiculously. The series is up there with my favorite games of all time.

I'm not playing the victim... I'm playing the role of someone sick to death of constantly being pushed into the defensive. I can't just say "I dislike such and such game" without someone trying to invalidate my opinion somehow. Sorry, but if someone were doing that to you you'd be equally ticked off. I was deliberately singled out and attacked without provocation for simply stating I didn't like Halo... and a number of other people had said the same thing (hell, look at the title of this thread!). And yet I'm being overly-sensitive? I'm in the wrong somehow?


So you're saying I should disregard your opinions about MGS4 because you don't like the PS3, regardless of whether or not you actually played it? Or am I just wrong because I'm me? If I understand correctly, what you're saying is that a person who really loves pizza can't like burritos. A fan of the Beatles could never love rap music. Someone who codes in C++ can't learn DBP or Ruby. Seriously, which parent did you inherit *that* from? Am I really the only person who sees what's wrong with this, apart from Rami?

I stand by you Matt. It seems that people argue everyone is entitled to their opinion but as soon as it conflicts with their own, BAM. UNACCEPTABLE. I hate it. Everyone around here can be very touchy at times. I'm with Matt on this one. There's really just nothing impressive about the Halo series. It's really just another average shooter.

In comparison to almost (...Super Noah's Ark 3d was a pretty bad shooter) every other shooter Halo is pretty lame. Ok, it's not that bad, but it made for a good joke.

I own Halo 1 and 2.

Decent shooting game; bit over rated when people call it "the best game ever."

The best game ever is Metal Gear Solid for PSX. End of.

I've played all Halos thoroughly and yes I enjoyed them, they aren't over-rated, they deliver what they say. I preferred Halo 1's missions, but the multiplayer on halo 2 and especially 3 was amazing. I still wouldn't even consider them for my favourite games, they're probably at the bottom of my top 50 games, but how can you say a game is over-rated if you don't like it and millions of others have bought it making the xbox a huge success?

Last time I checked that was no FPS...

Although it is in my top 5 games (on PC, though).

Let's start off by saying I'm not debating with anyone. I refuse to debate with people who cry foul everytime I disagree with them. They try to turn it around and say that if it were me in their shoes it wouldn't happen, and yadda yadda yadda. Just look at the PS4 thread and see what happens.

I know people like this in real life, and though they might be really cool and nice, they never stop complaining about being victimized. Look at the PS3 threads and there are many people on Matt's side-- but he can't see past the 360 fanboys.

My nephews a Halo 1/2 fan, but up until early this year i'd not really played them. It wasn't my cup of tea.

Crazy talk, everyone knows the best game ever is Elite II
Or by Sales it's actually TheSims 1 .. can't argue with 16million sales. hehe

You say that you dislike Halo3 then tell us that you never actually played it! - yet we're the ones invalidating your opinion somehow!. If someone went and said they dislike Resistance on the PS3, then said they have never actually played it, it would be the same bloody thing.

Your the first to complain about the PS3 bashing, but your just as bad - why did you even see the need to post?, it's not like you surprised a bunch of us with your opinion on this. If you went out and played Halo3 then came back and said you still hate it but could give a real reason why, then your opinion might carry some weight. Auto-negative opinions are always questioned here, put it up there and expect it to get knocked down again.
Everyone else here posting their opinions are doing so based on experience, but you do that a lot Matt, not trying to offend you but you post your opinions on Halo3 without playing it, you post your opinions about the PS3 without owning one - then bitch about these opinions being challenged.

Wont go as far as saying Halo is overrated, but there are better games out there. It's still fun though

The number of sales is not always linked to how good a game is. As an example, I believe Red Steel was the second biggest selling launch title on the Wii. The public also voted that the worst game of 2006 on Gamespot.
Another bit of trivia for you... the eighth best selling game of all time for the Atari 2600 (and there were a lot of games for it) was E.T. Anyone who knows computer games knows about E.T. on the 2600.

How about if millions have bought it and nearly everyone likes it?

Marketing will only get you so far. Nowadays, contrary to the days of E.T., news of a bad game goes around the world in hours.

But yes, Red Steel sucks

No, none of these example are correct.

I don't particularly like the PS3 (I don't hate it at all though), but I am not a fanboy of either of the competing consoles.

Pizza and Burritos are not competing products, and if someone was a fanboy of C++, or say, Blitz BASIC, then yes, their opinions on DBPro would carry very little weight.

You are a (self confessed) rapid fanboy of Sony, so your opinions on the direct competition's flagship games are going to be blatantly biased.

What your suggesting is that a Liverpool fan would give an accurate assessment of how well Man U play. It's ridiculous.

How can you expect us to take your opinions on Halo 3 (and Microsoft) seriously if you are a passionate fan of the competition?

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BTW a 360 fanboy's opinions on MGS4 (or any of the other PS3 exclusives) should absolutely be disregarded.

I never had a 2600 at the time, I had a speccy and I remember they had a type-in listing for a E.T. clone! - played just like the 2600 version, it was terrible, but we still typed it in all day because it was E.T. .

It's still the case where games that are absolutely dire, like Eregon sell more than original titles just because of the movie. This would be fair enough if the games were the same price as the DVD, but at £40 a pop it's just stupid - I refuse to buy my son these games because they're so crud. This is not new of course, I mean licences sell games, sometimes they're ok (like Blues Brothers on the ST was pretty good), but usually (ok always) they suck compared to properly designed games.

I think it's fairly safe to say I'm a fanboy of the 360 and Microsoft in general.. that said I'm not so retarded as to sit there and badmouth a game simply because of it's platform without playing it.

In-fact I'm a huge fan of a number of games platform specific that honestly I hate the actual platform they're on.

Halo 1 and 2: I can't stand the Xbox, and I can't stand that despite waiting 4years after the project was announced to have to wait more time to see the PC version cause Microsoft bought up the damn game rights. Still I love the games, cause they're just a blast.

I firmly am waiting on the MGS4 release because the Metal Gear games despite flipping from Nintendo to the dishonourable Sony; are outstanding. I have all of the Metal Gear series so far on NES, PS1, PS2 and PSP. In-fact MGS was one of the key reasons I bought the PS1; MGS and Final Fantasy sold me a PS2.

Despite hating the platforms!

I'm looking forward to littlebigplanet, and Uncharted on the PS3; as Uncharted is getting good reviews and is from Naughty Dog who reaffirmed why I love Action Adventure (coughplatformercough) games.

Knights of the Old Republic although were also released on the PC, just never ran at a reasonable speed on my PC until about last year with 7th gen hardware. They are astounding games, as is Jade Empire.

Each platform frankly will have it's fair share of awesome games and crap games. Right now I've been following the user ratings of Mass Effect from the PS3 owners, and their responses; who are pissed off that it scored 9.6 where-as Uncharted only got 8.3 or something.

Both are great looking games, and I've heard both have some issues; however the question is how they affect the game.
Some of my favourite titles are Playstation only, but one problem that myself as a PS3 owner and no doubt a few others of us have isn't with the games as much; but the reactions they get from those hardcore fans.

Gears of War was crap, according to most of the PS3 community... but Resistance was the best thing since sliced bread.
Sorry, but no.

What let Resistance down was a combination of fairly generic story, unimaginative levels, and well on the whole it was just bland. Gears on the other hand, had quite a bit of character.

Heavenly Sword was pretty good, not amazing but pretty good and graphically it was sweet... but suffered from framerate issues that tbh if the fighting system wasn't as "interpretive" as the engine allowed and was more precise like other combat games that would've been a problem; but it wasn't. It is enjoyable.

Yet we flip this over to Mass Effect which suffers from framerate issues here and there; it is automatically panned by the PS3 community. Guess what Bioware are not known for their optimised engines; as I said above Kotor and Kotor2 ran like dogs on even high-end hardware until recently on the PC didn't mean they weren't awesome games though. Even still the visuals in that game are just staggering.. I mean I'm sure everyone was like "wow" when Gears came out, with PS3 owners saying Heavenly Sword was better (which tbh it can be, and sometimes it isn't too) but the Call of Duty 4 came out with truely mind-blowing graphics on both consoles.

Mass Effect frankly has blown both of them away and shown that frankly the 360 wasn't even close to topping out graphically. What's more impressive is if Bioware can do that with only some small sections of glitches and slow-downs... someone else is gonna create something far better who can optimise.
(id perhaps with RAGE?)

Games are about the enjoyment though, and that's what ya'll should focus on rather than the whole "mine is better than yours"; I think people would take the PS3 more seriously as a game machine once the killer titles like Uncharted start hitting, when games are consistantly great looking affirming the bold claim that it is the most powerful machine on the market.

Still at the end of the day, a game is a game.
Super Mario Galaxy is probably the least graphically amazing title on the console that is always stripped from these arguements; and PS3 owners basically ignore it, but you know what. I reckon it's going to seriously outsell ANY of the other games coming out over christmas.
Mass Effect is going to sell bloody well.
Uncharted is going to do well on the PS3.

You know why? Because they're great games in their own damn right, despite the platform they're on. If a game is good, it sells well.
No amount of harping on by the sides of the console war will change the fact that Halo 3 isn't over-rated, people love it, people play it cause it's a good game... short but a good game!

If it's not your cuppa tea then what the hell ever.
You know what makes me laugh, is I've not seen either 360 or PS3 owners harping on about how Crysis really puts both their machines to shame... and how it's totally over-rated.

Which personally I think it is, cause what they claimed about it; and what is possible in it are two different things. Still that is the PCs big hitter this month and you know what; bet it sells better than anything so far cause .. well it's Crysis. Next-Generation FarCry (which were crap too)

I've played Crysis, I firmly think it's over-rated and and just crap. Yet most of you have been falling all over it, saying it's all sort of levels of awesome.

That said, that is my opinion. Don't see me making a thread forcing my opinion on everyone as if to start some anti-crysis mob of those from Linux and Mac who'll probably never get to play it because it's a DirectX game.

I mean serious grow up for gods sake. If you don't like the game piss off and play something you do like! Do you seriously need validation with everything you do so much you need to know that others feel the same as you.

Do you need a support group? I'm sure your buddy will help you cope with all the titles you feel are over-rated. You need us to agree with you to the point we're burning our copies of Halo 3 in a show of loyalty again the system of over-rated games that are actually enjoyable to play.

If you retards all agreed on what makes a good game, and what makes games awesome and you all played the same bloody thing; not only would the games industry be far more profitable to be in, but also this would be the most boring job in the world cranking out the same damn title over and over again.

No offense Jeku

I think what Chris says is absurd. Sorry to say, but being a fan of a console doesn't mean you can't be a fan of good games, or have an opinion about the games on other consoles. I mean, I'm extremely pro-PC-gaming, and I am a fan of the XBOX series. Does that mean my opinion on Wii and PS3 games is invalid?

If Matt thinks Halo wasn't fun for him, let him find that.

Although I agree that it makes the statements a 'conflict of interest', I think it is absurd to assume that no-one with a like of product X vs. product Y can make an objective opinion of Y (or X).

Red Steel wasn't terrible. I liked it about the same as Halo, though Halo would probably beat it in my book because of multiplayer. But Red Steel was fairly fun, it was the first of it's kind in the realm of shooters so it was a fresh experience with the new controls, and they really weren't too bad. I love shooters on the Wii, they are really cool and IMO alot better than using analog sticks to aim.

That's where opinions come in, I got to the 2nd level (I think), and lost interest altogether, the sword fighting was what I was really looking forward to, and it was crap (In my opinion)

Yeah, as a shooter it was ok, as a sword figthing game not so good I suppose hehe. I really wish you could have used the wii remote as a sword and it would mimic your slashes and blocks. Unfortunately it was all predefined stuff.

Even with the Wii-mote I can't see a sword game working properly tracking your exact swings. The Wii-mote can *only* measure changes in velocity--- it doesn't track position or angle.

If you start with the Wii-mote pointed straight up, the game doesn't and can't know if you're holding it straight down, left, or backwards, etc.

Of course if the game uses the IR then you can get an angle, but then that doesn't work for broad strokes.

Yeah, I guess that's true. Oh well, there never really has been a successful 1st person sword fighting solution.

Halo=lol, rofl, n00b.

In other words...

Thanks for that valuable input. You have totally changed the way i look at Halo. Why did noone tell me this sooner? I've been living a LIE!!1

Wow, insightful.

This thread was almost dead, trickling down onto the oblivion of page 2, so I'm a locking it, I think everyone has had their say.

Halo3 rocks, and we all agreed .