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Geek Culture / When a 3 year old is asked about monsters

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Zappo
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Posted: 30th Nov 2007 16:00
I don't want my daughter to grow up to be a swearing scumbag chav. That is why I wouldn't want any of the children she plays with to swear, or their parents to ignore it if they do. Or for adults to swear when she is around.
When children swear because they don't realise its swearing, it can be funny and forgiveable but they need to be told its bad. Swearing on purpose is not acceptable from children, or for adults to do in front of children. I was shown better ways to communicate when I was growing up. Saying that, I do swear now, sometimes a lot if something has annoyed me but never in front of children.
Saying "there are worse things than swearing" is a ridiculous argument. It's like saying its okay to punch someone in the throat because there are worse things like stabbing them in the brain. Or if you want to go the non-violent route (), its okay to steal someones wallet because there are worse things like stealing someones car.


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Posted: 30th Nov 2007 17:30
I don't mind swearing if there is a reason, ie. if there is something to swear about. Swearing in a positive mood is what I don't like, it's just a crass way of talking.

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Posted: 30th Nov 2007 17:47
You mean like, when a hot chick walks by and you turn to your buddy and say "F*** ya!"?

Ye, I don't do that


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Posted: 2nd Dec 2007 23:41
jerico- could be why a lot of guys don't have girlfriends eh? A lot of girls don't really appreciate that.


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Posted: 3rd Dec 2007 08:46
Quote: "Saying "there are worse things than swearing" is a ridiculous argument. It's like saying its okay to punch someone in the throat because there are worse things like stabbing them in the brain. Or if you want to go the non-violent route (), its okay to steal someones wallet because there are worse things like stealing someones car."


What is ridiculous is how you think your gonna stop your child encountering harmless swearwords like ass - kids pick up most of their language from other kids, are you planning on home schooling your daughter, or stopping her having any contact with other kids?

I think you have much more important things to worry about than your kid saying 'ass', if this is ridiculous to you then you have serious problems - parenting is gonna be hell for you, it's not a Steve Martin movie, it's not a book by Bill Cosby, it's a 18 year battle where the ultimate goal is to not end up a grandfather.


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I can't stand people that say f**king every 5 words.
Quote: "I went to the f**king shops to buy some f*ucking milk."

They're not even angry they just say it out of habit
It's like when you ask someone a question they say "uuummmmm", just think! you don't have to make noises while you do it!

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Posted: 4th Dec 2007 00:54
Quote: "It's like when you ask someone a question they say "uuummmmm", just think! you don't have to make noises while you do it!
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I have to do that. I need to let go of hot air to make sure my brain doesn't overheat.


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Posted: 4th Dec 2007 08:47
Quote: "I need to let go of hot air to make sure my brain doesn't overheat."


That sounds serious. You overclocked your brain or something? Let me know how that works out for you.

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Posted: 4th Dec 2007 13:17
Quote: "you don't have to make noises while you do it!"

Yes you do, it's an indicator that you're thinking rather than just ignoring what they said.

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Posted: 4th Dec 2007 13:37
I have to agree with ben Whenever I haven't said umm or making some indication that I was thinking, my friends/family tend to assume I'm either ignoring them or spacing out(usually spacing out, it's a fairly common thing, thinking about other things)


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Posted: 4th Dec 2007 13:46
You're all mud!


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Posted: 4th Dec 2007 14:23
And you're a little late with that muddy comment.
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Posted: 4th Dec 2007 14:55
Quote: "What is ridiculous is how you think your gonna stop your child encountering harmless swearwords like ass"

Actually I don't consider 'ass' a swear word so most of your posting is pretty much null and void.
Obviously you cannot protect children from swearing indefinitely, but I don't want her to consider it acceptable behaviour to swear all the time because she hears other people doing it around her. Surely any parent who can articulate properly would like their child to do the same. Swearing constantly and for no good reason makes you sound dumb, as if you can't actually communicate properly so you use profanities to emphasise things instead. Pretty %$*@ing obvious really


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Posted: 4th Dec 2007 16:06
Quote: "but I don't want her to consider it acceptable behaviour to swear all the time because she hears other people doing it around her."


Whether or not she considers it acceptable behavior will be up to you. Not up to others around her. Parenting is not only protecting, but setting the example.

You can't keep your daughter from seeing other people smoke, but whether or not she considers doing it is in large part dependent on what you show and tell her. If you protect your daughter to the point of hiding her from society, what happens later when she actually encounters it and doesn't know how to deal with it?

Too many people expect some kind of public education/upbringing of their children, and get angry when it doesn't turn out well. We like to pass parenting off to others - school, television, churches, etc - and don't take responsibility for our own children.

Our children will see and hear much worse than swearing before they come of age. You can complain about it but you won't change it. Each new generation is exposed to an ever worsening environment of hate and indifference. How they respond to it will in large part be dependent on what we have told and shown them at home.

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Posted: 4th Dec 2007 17:00 Edited at: 4th Dec 2007 17:03
I think you misunderstand me. I am not sheltering her from the world, and I agree with you about people wrongly expecting school and television to parent their kids. But young children will instinctively want to 'fit in' with the society around them and emulate what they see and hear. Not only from the parents but from everyone else they see. If I can keep the 'bad influences' down as much as possible until my daughter is old enough to understand properly what behaviour is unacceptable and why, surely that is better? That's a big part of what parenting is - looking out for your kids.
I find it hard to believe there are people arguing that it is okay to swear in front of children and not point out it is wrong when they copy it. Its no wonder antisocial behaviour is at the level it is.


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Posted: 4th Dec 2007 17:08
Quote: "If I can keep the 'bad influences' down as much as possible until my daughter is old enough to understand properly what behaviour is unacceptable and why, surely that is better?"


Absolutely better. My point was that we have to fight the battle at home, as I'm sure you know, because the world is what it is.

Quote: "I find it hard to believe there are people arguing that it is okay to swear in front of children and not point out it is wrong when they copy it. "


Here is the problem I think. For some reason you are not keeping up with the ill's of our society and it surprises you that this type of thing is acceptable. I saw this video a while back on "Americas Funniest Videos". They beeped out the word, but everyone knew what it was. It is not only acceptable, but encouraged and rewarded at times.

No fear though. Realizing this is the first step.

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Posted: 4th Dec 2007 17:57
Personally I don't really care too much if my son swears, when appropriate of course, I mean he doesn't swear too much nor too badly - which is why I tend to let it slide unless I think it's not called for. I'm really paying more attention to his opinions and attitudes - towards women, other races, religions, even politics.

It was probably the case when he first started primary school that I'd tell him off for his language, but as he's just started high school, in the society we live in today there are more pressing matters. Nobody wants a chavy kid, he's asked for a neck chain for xmas, maybe I'll buy him some black nail polish and some piercings instead .


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Posted: 4th Dec 2007 18:12
Quote: "Nobody wants a chavy kid"


Too true.
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Posted: 4th Dec 2007 22:58
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That sounds serious. You overclocked your brain or something? Let me know how that works out for you"
Well, Ummmmmmmmmm. *brain sparks* Error: Brain Unit on fire, please call the fire department.


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