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DrewG
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(Note: I am only posting this thread here because mod don't like responding to me)

Anyway, I feel that based on all the junk that is flying around this board, such as longest and outrageous acronym/posting competition/ et cetera et cetera, that an "Anything Goes" board should be instated.

One, we need a place where we can take all of our flames and stupid forum games, so they don't pollute the nature of this board. Some here need a place where they can take their illogical side to a place where it will be accepted. Flames are healthy, and so is disagreeing, for if we all agreed on everything here, it would be a dull forum and we'd all be narrow minded. An anything goes board would increase our production in forcive learning of dealing and coping with eachother. A place where mods cannot lock threads, because the purpose of that board would be to truly state your mind, and how you feel about things. Geek culture is not the place for stupid threads, and please, no flames on that comment, but a place where harmony should proceed. For harmony to continue, we need to establish it by establishing the new board suggestion.

So, may we have the new board?

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tha_rami
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I'm having mixed feelings here. One way I do like the idea, but the other way it does sound like total anarchy and that's a bad thing on forums.


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It would be anarchy if the whole forum was like that, but all retardness in this board would be diverted in a different direction, so veteran posters from 2002 and 2003 and 2004 wont' have to worry about all the crap they'd be wading through.

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Well, there still has to be some modability on such a board. We all can't go around posting whatever we please all the time. I think that eventually it may lead alot of the members to become enemies. I do think we should have such a board, but mods do need to step in when things get really bad or offensive.

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DrewG
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See the purpose of the thread is to cleanse this board of its current issues. But there would be a have leniency(sp?) towards posts that would be locked in boards as this one. That is my solution, that I feel would work.

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The idea has been thrown around a number of times but never came to fruition. Mainly because that's what we used to have with "General Talk" and we didn't like where it was going, because a lot of the older and more productive users left because the forums were too immature for them. As a result, we got rid of the board to try and keep it more professional and to show off some of the cool things users have been making.

Why then, would we bring it back?


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DrewG
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Good point, so how about doing another idea I has proposed, if the forum members has been here less than a year, then s/he cannot see this board, and can see a different board that newbies can only see that's like geek culture. So once they pass the one year mark, then they can see this board.

Is that feasible?

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But what's the point, if the rules will be the same there and here


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Matt Rock
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I think the rules of the AUP are in place for specific reasons, and in my humble opinion I think the mods have done a great job in recent weeks to turn around the stupidity that erupted lately. While I can see what your intentions are with this idea, I'd have to assume it wouldn't be very effective. If nothing else it'll become a bastion of spambots, malware vendors, porn links, and dramatic religious and political debates. A board like that might backfire and end up sending even more girlfriend threads into these and other boards, by bringing more undesirables to TGC.

Geek Culture was headed into a fifth dimension for a while there, but I really think the mods deserve a heck of a lot of credit for identifying the problem quickly and efficiently, and addressing the problem with due vigilance. I think Geek Culture exists for similar reasons, to keep other boards on-topic as often as possible, but if you need to make a new forum for the forum designed for everything, where does it end?


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But I feel we should at least give the idea a try.

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The mods are stretched thinly as it is, a board with "loose rules" will probably need constant moderating. You've seen the crap people come out with at times, just imagine how chaotic it could get.

I do see your point, but I think the cons would probably outweigh the pros.

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DrewG
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That's the thing, mods don't worry about it. They could pick of stuff like ads and similar, but relax on everything else.

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Quote: "The mods are stretched thinly as it is, a board with "loose rules" will probably need constant moderating."

I could do that


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"Hire" some mods that only have control of that one board, and make the mods only people who've been here for a year or more or so. Bam, problem solved. Regular mods for everything else, and junior "mods" for that one board.

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If you want to be in a forum where everything is unmoderated and chaotic then just go to the myspace forum. If TGC had forums like that I would leave *very* quickly.

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Once upon a time a website was made for people to talk about anything. The website happened to come across a domain that was laying around from a astronomy college project, myspace.com. They started to attract attention from kids who can't find anywhere else to talk about their life and myspace grew popular. With the obsession to let kids talk about anything, they started a forum for those kids to reveal all their personal information on the Internet. The forum then grew to several boards in length and its AUP shrunk to the size of a pea. The no-rules rule did take its toll. The forum users became very grumpy and did nothing but troll. The fun part of the forum died out fairly quickly causing the "great account self-deletion act of 2004". Now the chaos of all the worlds troubles rage in that forum. The mods stand helpless when there is no AUP. The forum is destroying itself from the inside while new users come to fuel it.



hmmm, took me a while to write that. I plan on using that story to scare away anybody who thinks of going to a unmoderated forum. Please don't add one to the TGC forums. Geek culture is enough.

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This will most likely not be done, because these forums are here for a real company. They're not some lame forums for anyone off the "streets" to start stirring up crap and offending. Before you know it, lawyers might get involved and hold TGC financially responsible. This was, as far as I know, one of the reasons for having a strict AUP. When there's no rules about insulting people, largely offensive threads meant to debate religion, gun control, abortion, politics, etc. things get really nasty, really fast. I assume TGC doesn't want a part of that.

Honestly, if Microsoft had a forum they would not permit this. So why should TGC? This isn't MySpace. If you want to post something stupid and ridiculous, or useless, then go there

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I agree with Dave J, there's already enough stupid things on the forum being posted lately and making a specific board for it would only encourage more. If you want to post crap then go to a forum specifically for it(i.e. ones with mainly teens and under ).

One thing the forums could use is a better report button, as the list of applicable cases to file a report only seems to apply to thread starters, Occasionally if I see some blatant advertising or something that otherwise should be locked/removed I don't report it, and no, the mods aren't on 24/7 and don't read all threads so they often stay around for hours.

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I think this may be a good idea but as said before it would require quite a bit of moderation. Maybe impose a wait period between posts and creation of threads. I also like the idea of making it a board for more vet. members. Although a complete free for all will not work. We could call it "Fun & Games" and we could use it for forum based games such as "Rate the user above your" or "Rate another members sig". Stuff like that really tends to draw the attention of people. Here is an example of what im talking about.
As for mods I think we should hold a nomination for some new mods to watch this particular board. I have the time to Moderate it if requested. But I think a nomination would be best.
To prevent spam we could maybe set a limit to how many threads a person can make in that board a day. Somthing like # threads every hour.
This may work. I agree it will help seperate out the useful treads from the "Girl friend" threads. And yes I do agree the mods have done a great job keeping this board neat. Thanks guys!


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@Eureka Seven:
Kinda odd to see that the "Raven" there can post posts of less than 1200 characters.


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@Eureka - Your suggestion sounds like too much hassle, and for what? What would benefit TGC from this nonsense board? Like I said earlier, if people want to post junk and "rate the user above me" type threads, they can join some of the millions of other forums that allow this. This forum should be junk free.

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I think I'd prefer to see another off-topic board. Certainly what's being posted in geek, isn't that geek related. Or perhaps a better alternative might been a technology board. Something that relates directly to technology. This can cover other games, software, devices and new developments. I think that would cover what the Geek board should be.


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I've noticed many other web forums have a "Serious Discussions" board. Not exactly the "anything goes" board that you're talking about, but a board where you can have more mature conversations about deeper topics (religion, politics, life, whatever) as long as it remains civil.

Meaning that it is still moderated and flames and such would still get deleted, but it would be seperate from the Geek Culture, and as others have suggested, could be invisible or locked out from newer members to prevent odd falling-outs.

As for "all of our flames and stupid forum games", I don't really see much of a point for those in any board, to be quite honest.
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Quote: "I've noticed many other web forums have a "Serious Discussions" board. Not exactly the "anything goes" board that you're talking about, but a board where you can have more mature conversations about deeper topics (religion, politics, life, whatever) as long as it remains civil.
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Oh that also sounds like a neat idea.

But what would be the key difference between a new board and Geek Culture? I mean how do you define "Geek Culture"?


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If you want to talk about that stuff then just go to Myspace!
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Why would you want people to go to a different site? Thats silly.


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I'd absolutely hate it if TGC implemented some sort of "karma" system. As it stands, you can see the join date, and that can usually (but not always) indicate how devoted someone is to TGC and what sort of experience they have in game development. Again, it doesn't apply to everyone, but as a general rule of thumb it's usually pretty handy I think. Karma systems are silly imo. One person likes apples, but another person likes oranges, so the apple-lovers karma would be lowered based on a very simple debate. There's no denying stuff like that happens on other servers already .


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Quote: "and what sort of experience they have in game development."

Thats not true. There are TONS of people out there that are not a part of this site that has way more experience than most people here. (Such as people at EA, Naughty Dog, Lion Head, Ubisoft) And as far as experience with TGC products is concerned there are people who just buy the product and never join the forum. So to say that it is an accurate display of knowlage is a false claim and its unwise for you to say such a thing
Who said anything about Karma to begin with btw
I personally think that a PM system is the most needed feature still. Also a way to subscribe to threads.


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a pm system so newbs can spam us? I already got my email listed, is that not good enough?


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You can use the mail back feature.

Okay so why not a board invisible to users six months or less experience here that has more indepth topics such as politics, but can be moderated by people who've been here for a year or so. I mean, I'm sick of seeing so many locked threads in this board, PLEASE NO INSULTS, but feel that would be a more plausible solution.

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I think it should be a board for members who have been here at LEAST 1 year. Kind of like a vet. board.


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I agree, now to go make a petition board.

But seriously, we should get a group of us to email Rich, then it's BOUND TO HAPPEN!!!

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I havent seen Rich in awhile. Where is he? I mean does he even come on TGC anymore?

Anyway as for this Vet. Board.
What kind of rules should there be? What would it be about? what would it be for? And what about mods?
Shoudl mods be elected? or can we just volunteer?


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I think all people with over 2 years here are auto mods. We all don't need badges, but can moderate accordingly, say three agree that this thread is locked, so not all power is in the hands of one person.

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Thats not how it works though.
There would need to be 3 set mods to handle it. (even though it likely wont go through)
I vote Drew Cameron and DrewG and one other person


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Like I said before, all these things will take some time to make, and won't give TGC any benefit in the slightest. If you've noticed, every new board has the potential to increase business. This proposal does not fit in with the game making culture, and doesn't align with any of the TGC products, which are supposed to be professional.

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Quote: "hats not true. There are TONS of people out there that are not a part of this site that has way more experience than most people here. (Such as people at EA, Naughty Dog, Lion Head, Ubisoft) And as far as experience with TGC products is concerned there are people who just buy the product and never join the forum. So to say that it is an accurate display of knowlage is a false claim and its unwise for you to say such a thing
Who said anything about Karma to begin with btw "

Please tell me you're kidding . Since I can't tell, I'll answer seriously:
You missed the point . He was saying that for MEMBERS OF THIS FORUM, their join date is usually indicative of their join date. He wasn't saying, like you seem to think, that because you haven't joined this forum you have no game dev experience.


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I love how Jeku said that TGC products are supposed to be professional.


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There should be a Vet board, it would still look professional because the new people could not see it, and when they have been assimilated they will understand, if they make it that far that is.

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Quote: "He was saying that for MEMBERS OF THIS FORUM, their join date is usually indicative of their join date. "

Redundant much?

ok ok fine I suppose I see where your going then. True join date could have a good representation of that your right.

SO is there any chance we can get such a board?


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I hope.

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I hope as well


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The chances of this board happening are somewhere between 1,000,000 to 1 against, and zero.

What you are asking for is another 'Geek Culture' board with looser rules, and I just don't see that happening - the only reason people would have to post on the new board would be to flame someone, post obscene material or something else that others would take offence to. We've seen again and again that even some of the so-called mature users of this forum can't keep it in their trousers when religion or politics is discussed, so why would they do it in a forum with looser rules?

In fact I'd go so far as to say that DrewG only suggested it because he gets banned & slapped on this board so much.

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That's a good point actually; surely a 'mod lounge' doesn't help the business side of TGC in the slightest.... which is similar to say, a random board of trash?

I think it could work, but it would probably have to be purged every month or so or something.

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Problem here, is that it's kind of a double-edged sword. Jeku said earlier that more 'mature' members would/have threatened to leave etc.

Well, logically, surely that would be the problem with this board as it is? The place is so immature that we can't even talk about religion or politics...

I mean, fair enough, it leads to arguments, but isn't that one of the major purposes of a forum; to discuss things? Thinking about it now, I can't really understand why politics and religion were banned in the first place. It leads to lengthy, argumentative threads - so what? The only problem I can really see is when people get directly abusive with each other - but isn't that the whole reason we have mods, to ban people?


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Quote: "That's a good point actually; surely a 'mod lounge' doesn't help the business side of TGC in the slightest...."


Doesn't it? The only thing the mod forum is used for is discussing borderline cases, internal guidelines in regards to moderating, or notifying of repeat offenders. This is so we are all consistent, meaning there are less arguments, which leads to lower unrest amongst the forum members and consequently, more productivity which naturally leads to finer showcase examples of what TGC products are capable of, and hence, more sales.


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This board isn't going to happen because *people* want it, it's going to happen if Rich makes it. And Rich isn't going to make it. For a normal board like the music board all he had to do was go to his control panel(he should have one for quick changes but, I don't know) and add a board. He might just have to make a SQL query but if you want a board that works like that, he would have to dig into the sites scripts and change everything and then add a few colums to every table of his SQL.

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Quote: "What you are asking for is another 'Geek Culture' board with looser rules"


I thought you said "with loser rules", and I was like, haha it's so true.


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Quote: "Quote: "He was saying that for MEMBERS OF THIS FORUM, their join date is usually indicative of their join date. "
Redundant much?

ok ok fine I suppose I see where your going then. True join date could have a good representation of that your right.
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Lol, that's a typo, I meant to say join date is usually indicative of their experience.


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Indeed this isn't really going to work - there's a reason why geek culture has gotten stricter - you'd just be making a second geek culture - an AUP loosened/restricted board isn't a good idea on a forum on this scale and the mods would have to do more work to get it working without people jumping down each other's throats. It would start off good, but all it takes is one radical to ruin it all.

Hence when the mods started doing their 'stamp down' on the useless threads I suggested a second location where we could do this - it all started out fine, but the threads grew less and less. Meaning really, either give birth to a second location and keep it alive or don't have a place associated with the TGC community that allows for debates and useless threads.

Just as a note, there are plenty of places on the internet to go for these kind of threads, sure you don't get to do it with TGCers, but you do get good discussions going at them.

Plus it would be daft after getting the forums so organised to start a board that would be like anarchy. I wouldn't mind having a place for mature members, discussions and randomness, but lets be honest, it's not going to happen.

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Wasn't geek culture once called general talk? I believe that is what you are looking for and it was replaced for a reason.

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