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bitJericho
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Posted: 8th Dec 2007 02:36 Edited at: 8th Dec 2007 02:37
Quote: "I see you're having trouble making up your mind, since you've removed the link."


Haha, every thing's happening so fast! I put the link down lower as it makes more sense there....

Sorry about all the edits:/

As for the link, what false facts and ignorant statements, specifically?
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I see you answered above


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bitJericho
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Posted: 8th Dec 2007 02:38
Quote: "Because it's a government sponsored (read: judgment awards) million dollar business."


As in, judges (government employees representing our government) are awarding non-profits huge sums of money from lawsuits against tobacco companies.


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Posted: 8th Dec 2007 02:39
Quote: "LOL, apparently you've never watched it. In one part, the lead character says "If I had the money, I'd smoke two or three of these cigarettes a day!" or something to that effect."
I knew that.
I also would like to have some "furniture."


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Posted: 8th Dec 2007 02:43
Quote: "As in, judges (government employees representing our government) are awarding non-profits huge sums of money from lawsuits against tobacco companies."


Are you saying the judges get money in a settlement? Not likely Lawyers, yes.

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Posted: 8th Dec 2007 02:45
For those of us just joining, let me some this up:

Our (anti-smoker's) proof of the negative health effects are the 60 or more years of extensive research and testing thats gone on in the United States, United Kingdom, and every other civilized nation that shows clear, clear evidence of the negative effects of smoking.

Jerico's proof is the fact that if its a widely accepted belief, it must be false. And a dubious page from an even more dubious website.

There have been few actual lawsuits against smoking companies, I believe most of them were anti-trust based. They just tax the pants out of it to discourage the consumption, because it costs them a whole lot more to keep a sick guy in a hospital.

That's not as bad as you think you said.
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Posted: 8th Dec 2007 02:46 Edited at: 8th Dec 2007 02:47
Quote: "I also would like to have some "furniture."
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Such a great movie.

Anyway, Gil, this is stuff I've read into in the past (on more reputable sites), unfortunately I don't have the time right now to research more into it, but if you'd like I'd be happy to find some more credible articles if you are interested.

Quote: "Our (anti-smoker's) proof of the negative health effects are the 60 or more years of extensive research and testing thats gone on in the United States, United Kingdom, and every other civilized nation that shows clear, clear evidence of the negative effects of smoking."


Ugh, again I'm not saying it's untrue. I'm just saying a scientific approach would be a better way of looking into it, instead of just reading scare tactics like "You cut your life in half" bullcrap.


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Posted: 8th Dec 2007 03:23
Whether or not statistics are true or false, there is no denying that breathing in smoke, fiberglass, tar, and nicotene + the various other chemicals in cigarettes is good for you. Gosh. People are so thick sometimes.

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Posted: 8th Dec 2007 03:26 Edited at: 8th Dec 2007 03:27
Although I've set my new year's resolution to quit smoking by the end of next year (no set date, it just won't happen lol), I'm *still* a smoker, and I need to back up Jerico here...

Very, very few of the anti-smoking people are saints themselves. Everyone has their vice... and some of them are just as bad, if not worse, than smoking. If I knew as many people who'd died from cancer who were also smokers as I've known people who've died in drunken driving accidents (including my High School girlfriend and two of my best friends), Maybe I'd view it a bit differently. But after a friend died in a car accident in 2003, a friend I'd known since the second grade, I quit drinking and haven't had a drop since. When cigarettes kill someone I actually know and care about, maybe I'll change my opinion of how dangerous they are... all I know is that when I'm cranking out a dozen functions an hour, nothing keeps me focused quite like a nic stick .

Again, anti-smoking people always go about it the wrong way, especially the people who've never smoked (not suggesting anyone in this thread, just saying it generally). They're always quick to say "it's dangerous, you're going to die!" and start shoving facts down your throat. If someone prefers that I don't smoke around them, I'm cool with that, but if someone demands I don't smoke around them, it makes me smoke more, and blow it in their direction, because there's nothing even remotely that arrogant or rediculous. And I REALLY hate it when people say "Put that out, it smells bad." Really? Well, I don't like looking at fat people, so let's ban cake (that joke's been around since my old MRO website, not quite as funny as it used to be lol). The worst people of them all though is the organization who calls themselves "The Truth." They fill television with false information day in, day out, but no one ever comes down on them... and if you attack them, you're the bad guy . The best thing about this group is, they're actually making young smokers. Go figure!

Seriously, introduce me to the person who doesn't inhale, via their lungs or their skin, carcinogens every single day. Please, one person in the civilized world. They're litterally all around you (and here's a list from CDC in case you don't think my source was credible). From car pollutants to red meat to drinking water, you can't escape them... they're a fact of life. What simply isn't a fact: smoking cigarettes ALWAYS leads to cancer. This isn't remotely true, but most anti-smoking lobbies want you to think that, regardless of not having any degree of proof whatsoever.

The only concrete "fact" about smoking: there are very few actual facts. If you don't think lobbyists for or against smoking pay off government officials left and right and dish money toward research groups for favoritism, you're naive... whether you're for smoking or against it. But to think cigarettes aren't harmful or that they don't cause cancer is equally naive. So here's a final "fact" that everyone can take to the bank: yes, cigarettes are dangeous, but not even remotely as dangerous as a few thousand other things that can kill you every time you leave the house (and quite a few that can kill you when you stay indoors, too). And in case you haven't seen the movie SiCKO (and you seriously need to if you live in the US, regardless of your political affiliation), going to the hospital can be just as dangerous as any of the other things on the list.

So here's my proposition: anti-smoking people, just shut up and let people have the vices they choose to have. If you don't like smokers, don't talk to them. And smokers, try to be courteous of the people around you who might not approve of your habit. As I always tell friends, I won't smoke around them if they won't drink around me

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Quote: "Are you saying the judges get money in a settlement? Not likely Lawyers, yes."

Again, don't forget about the power of lobbyists, in the US anyway.

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I'm ok with the fact that people like to smoke, and yes, everyone has their vices. Totally agree with you. I however can't stand the smell of cigarette smoke, especially for extended periods of time. I get headaches from it, so it's not pleasant for me at all. When I go to work with my dad in the HVAC business I dread the days we work at smoker's homes as they are usually at least twice as filthy from cigarette smoke. I've been in some very raunchy apartments where every member of the household smokes. It's not pleasant and everything is orange and covered in a sticky tar film ^_^

But as long as people are considerate with their habit I can't really complain.

An example of inconsiderate smokers... My family has always enjoyed bowling. Bowling alleys always have bars, and it seems that bowling must be a sport that attracts smokers and drinkers. Dunno why, I guess it's just bowling always seem to be a slightly more seedy hobby, at least around here hahaha. Anyhow. I've bowled on all sorts of junior leagues, and when every other parent lights up it's just not pleasant at all. Many a times my mom has had to ask people to be more considerate because of her being pregnant / holding my infant brothers / sisters as I'd grown up on these leagues because the other parents would light up right next to her and stuff. They don't even think about it which is the part that annoys me. It used to be a problem with my cousin as well, as he had pretty bad asthma when he was younger.

Another thing about smoking parents that bothers me as well is when they're holding babies and have a glowing cigarette in their mouth inches over the baby...

I guess as far as complaining about the smell goes, people have a right to that. Imagine if a group of random people just started farting all around you every few minutes... I bet you'd complain!

But to cast a new light on things...

Someone could also argue that anyone with a Wi-Fi connection (or anything that transmits over 1gigahertz frequencies, or so I've read) in their home is contributing to their cancer risk, but no one will ever agree on statistics or anything like that, and frankly I don't care that I have a 2.4 ghz portable phone, a cell phone, computers, Wi-Fi, etc radiating stuff around me in just my bedroom alone... If you go anywhere populated or with high tension wires or Wi-Fi or anything else like that you have the same effects on your body anyhow. There's no escaping it in the modern age.

It all boils down to personal choice. I choose not to smoke because of the possible health risks, the bad taste, and the bad smell.

@Matt, it's ok if you must smoke, just don't do it in my office on the MISoft Campus in the next few years or you may find the occasional pack of wet cigarettes in your office muahahahaaa ^_^

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Posted: 8th Dec 2007 04:14
Quote: "@Matt, it's ok if you must smoke, just don't do it in my office on the MISoft Campus in the next few years or you may find the occasional pack of wet cigarettes in your office muahahahaaa ^_^"

We'll probably build a smoker's lounge with big fans and all that. But not crummy ones like in the Reagan airport in DC... big glass box with yellow ceiling tiles where kids walk by and point to laugh at the zoo attractions . Our smoker's lounge will be gorgeous, lol. And please don't soak my ciggy's in the future, they'll be $17.50 by then. And by "then" I mean next year

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If we have a campus next year LOL I would be thoroughly amazed... in fact I'd be pretty amazed if we had a campus in 10 years... but of course we could rent out a small office in a year or so if all goes well. Actually you guys should all move to Cleveland... houses and rental is pretty cheap most places as the selling market is crap right now. Great for buyers and renters, and who knows... maybe a game studio would boost the local economy? Provide skilled jobs and all that.

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Posted: 8th Dec 2007 06:10
I had an asthma attack after breathing the smoke left by a firework. I don't think I could handle smoking.

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Posted: 8th Dec 2007 09:26
Quote: "But as long as people are considerate with their habit I can't really complain. "


Could say the same about heavy/binge drinkers, or those who do drugs, or other such vices.

Personally I quite like smoking, others around me are constantly complaining and seem to believe it's a "god-send" that it's been banned in public places here now.

Although I gave up for about 5years, frankly I've always been around smokers and never cared. I do however care about people who bathe themselves in something like doop or aramis; then decide to stand next to me.

Not only do I feel physically ill from close exposure to such a strong sent; but it often leaves my eyes watering. If I had a choice between someone who smokes, is plastered, is high or just stinks of some aftershave/perfume (to a degree you can smell them from a good 20paces away)... I'd honestly choose the smoker everytime, and I would've even when I wasn't.

Everything causes cancer, or such nowadays. Everyone keeps telling me it's damn unhealthy.

Ya know what, I'd rather know what is gonna cause my cancer... and I'm also far more fit than most adverage people; play sports often, quite often exercise (helping a friend get fit enough to join the forces atm)

If you're outta breath going up-stairs smoking, it ain't just smoking doing that to you. Try sodding walking to the shops to get the damn things rather than hopping in your SUV.

You're more likely to die from fatty food intake eating burgers every week than you are from smoking. I'm not saying it's a healthy habbit, but believe me for some of us who really smoke.. not those pussies that just say they do but are always "giving up" there are a hellova lot worse things we could be doing.

Especially as the stress it can keep away is the difference between someone getting a cup thrown at them; and the coffee machine. That'll probably kill me first I reckon, bloody stress from retards in society that I have to hold back actually killing. Like Chavs... god you'd think they never went to bloody schoool, but nope they just couldn't be arsed or actually quite intelligent but think it's cool to act like a retarded monkey on acid.

I don't have anything against the whole public place ban, but frankly I think it shouldn't be a "total" ban. Business' and Entertainment places should bloody have the choice. Governments piss me off as they're like parents, there's no middle ground; it's either one way or the other.

Perhaps if they introduce middle-ground laws, maybe society wouldn't constantly try to act like like teenagers do.
Just food for thought

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Posted: 8th Dec 2007 09:48
Isn't this forum truly amazing? A guy comes in and randomly discusses how he quit smoking... and a few posts later we're debating... something.

What is this whole argument about anyways? How smoking is good if you don't let it get the better of you?



Well I INVITE people to smoke... in their own little section of the globe, mind you. We're over populated as is so we need as many counteracting forces as possible to prevent our total annihilation.


@Jeku: Advertising like that might work... if people didn’t have such an immense weakness of will. It'll probally be a good PREVENTAL, but not too much in getting people to quit. Hell, I’d say that even if smoking a fag were punishable by death, people would still do it because the consequences didn't affirm themselves upon themish.

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Posted: 8th Dec 2007 10:46
Quote: "Well I INVITE people to smoke... in their own little section of the globe, mind you. We're over populated as is so we need as many counteracting forces as possible to prevent our total annihilation."


Nice to know you're doing your part.

Overpopulation will only result in a global one-child policy anyway (or no-child unless if you got some sort of license), it will never go as far as our "total annihilation". I can't see how that's possible, but that's just me speculating. Humans have a fetish for surviving.

And don't worry about it, the NWO got plans for you in that area. I'm not going to go further with that though.

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I dislike people who think it's cool t smoke. It's not. I avoid them.


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Posted: 8th Dec 2007 14:10
Quote: "We're over populated as is so"


LMAO. Go download Google Earth. And just look at the small areas the people of earth actually do inhabit. China "the most overpopulated country" has soooo much greenspace and country side. I'd say they use less than 5% of their country from what I can remember seeing. If they'd build another few cities they wouldn't have an issue.

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LMAO. Go download Google Earth. And just look at the small areas the people of earth actually do inhabit. China "the most overpopulated country" has soooo much greenspace and country side. I'd say they use less than 5% of their country from what I can remember seeing. If they'd build another few cities they wouldn't have an issue."


Then they wouldn't be able to eat.


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Posted: 8th Dec 2007 16:45
The places that arn't overpopulated are the places that grow the overpopulated counries food.

Lookin at a milk carton the other day, it came from some poor european country. Banana's are from Jamaica. The only exeption would be China which is where most non-living stuff found in our homes come from.


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We live as we would have about three planets, with every thing we consume and eat and such. But we only got one. So one day, it will all end. Hopefully, it will be us realising that we can´t continue the way we do. The other end is not pleasent, but if we do not change, we will be forced to it by nature.

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Posted: 8th Dec 2007 23:46
So now we're talking about population control?

Anyway, there's plenty of room out here in Arizona where nothing is being grown except tumbleweeds. There's sooooo much open space it isn't even funny. Main problem here is making sure there's enough water. It's just that 4-5 million people all think they have to live in the same metropolitan area. Just an interesting fact, Phoenix covers 515 square miles, an area larger than those of New York City, Philadelphia, and Miami combined, but once you get out of the city, it's hundreds and hundreds of miles of almost NOTHING.

Oh, as to smoking, I personally can't stand the smell of it. It makes me sick, but if others want to do it and don't interfere too much with my life, then enjoy.

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I wasn´t talking about any kind of population control, just stating that if we continue to live the way we do, things will turn out ugly for us in the end.

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Don't start again, it'll just get harder to quit. I quit about 2 years ago, but it was mainly because of situational circumstances. I was around a lot of people that smoked for a long time, but then moved where no one smoked and stopped. I think that's the easiest way to quit.

Quote: "We live as we would have about three planets, with every thing we consume and eat and such. But we only got one. So one day, it will all end. Hopefully, it will be us realising that we can´t continue the way we do. The other end is not pleasent, but if we do not change, we will be forced to it by nature."


We're just burning carbon based compounds that have been buried from dead sea creatures. Worst case is that the planet becomes a tropical nightmare again, or (perhaps worse for us) an ice planet from over reflection/refraction. But I doubt the human race will become extinct in that situation, it will just mean the most strong/intelligent will survive (ie.. those that can make nuclear powered underground bunkers or those that can beat up the people who made the nuclear bunkers and steal them). The human race could probably use a good evolutionary boost so I don't have issues with that

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Quote: "I wasn´t talking about any kind of population control, just stating that if we continue to live the way we do, things will turn out ugly for us in the end."


people are living longer than ever before, with newer and more nastier ways to kill us now out there.

no matter what the planet/divine force throws at us, our intelligence generally is our downfall cause we'll never equilibrium like other mammals. i mean stupidly the one thing that makes us top of the food chain also actually threatens the life we live.

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This is a bit removed from smoking, but interesting none-the-less.

Quote: "our intelligence generally is our downfall cause we'll never equilibrium like other mammals. i mean stupidly the one thing that makes us top of the food chain also actually threatens the life we live."


Some species live for millions of years, some for thousands. People somehow got the idea that we were the masters of the universe, and we would somehow break the bonds of natural existence and populate the planet forever. In truth we are just another species in the mix, and our time is limited just as every other species on the planet. Whether we kill ourselves or the next species takes us out, our time will end.

Before that happens we will probably thin the heard a few times. As space and resources become scarce, the strong will take out the weak, no different than every other species. We are, after all, just animals.

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Quote: "We are, after all, just animals.
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Quote: "I never understood the "wanting to be cool", but I think that's just part of my personality ."

Exactly; if you want to be cool, you're not cool!
I don't get what the big deal is with being cool? Isn't that just a personality type? There's a lot of downsides to being cool like a lack of motivation. The reason everyone wants to be cool is that it's sexy, and that's all anyone ever cares about.

The government are such hypocrites when it comes to smoking, they do all this anti-smoking advertising while they rake in the taxes. I heard that smokers pay for something like 33% of the NHS!

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I've never been able to quit. I haven't been smoking that long, maybe a year and a half, and I've tried to quit god knows how many times, for a variety of reasons. I even lasted 3 weeks once, but then I went to the pub and everyone was smoking (before the ban came in - UK) and had one... ended up having another 60-70 that night...

I smoke a lot less than I used to, because when I started I was just stupid (well obviously, it was stupid to start, but I mean it took me about a month or so to be smoking 40-50 fags on an average day, let alone on nights out) but I can't drink without smoking, so every time I get a few pints in me when I'm trying to quit I'll go out and buy more. I just lapsed again a few days back, but I'm managing to keep the amount I smoke fairly low, with probably only 10-20 a day.


Quote: "The government are such hypocrites when it comes to smoking, they do all this anti-smoking advertising while they rake in the taxes. I heard that smokers pay for something like 33% of the NHS!"


Do you not think that it's fair that smoking should fund some of the assistance to help people that are ill due to smoking-related causes? The government fund campaigns to stop people smoking, yet for some reason they collect taxes instead of lowering the cost of cigarettes leading to more people smoking and then being unable to help any of them because they don't have the financial backing. I don't see any hypocrisy there at all to be honest...


I want to quit smoking, but to be honest at least I'm better off now than I was about 8 or 9 months ago, because back then smoking and drinking weren't exactly my only vices... Quitting the other stuff got me drinking a lot more temporarily, but it didn't take me long until I was only drinking in the evenings again, instead of through the day. I just need to find something less addictive I can replace smoking with... Anyone got any suggestions?

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