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Xenocythe
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Jeez, in places in Pennsylvania, it is now over 4 dollars per gallon!

Whats everyone\'s input on this?


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dark coder
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My input is that it's still way cheaper than many other countries, so stop complaining .

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Hehe, I'm quite happy for you in that, but I live in America, and I would like to know if I should be worried!

My father's an economist, so I'll talk with him more about this. But I would seriously like to know why Bush keeps up with this nonsense for oil while is completely murders our economy!

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Matt Rock
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Yeah, but those countries have better economies than the US, lol.

My input is the same as it always is on this topic: oil companies are gouging prices on a vital commodity and the government is too busy counting their lobbyist money to take notice. All the more reasons to shift to sugar ethanol or hydrogen. Notice I didn't mention corn ethanol

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Well, I once read a quite horrible prediction of what would happen when we run out of oil - which is bound to happen anytime soon if we don't cut back. What I've seen of it, companies like Shell make quite marginal profits on most stuff - it's the amount that does it. Most of the gas price here in the Netherlands are environment taxes.

I wouldn't even blame Middle-Eastern countries to charge the USA triple the price, by the way. You dudes really need to sign the Kyoto treaty.

In Egypt, a liter of gas costs $0.28.


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Time to fricken drill Alaska!

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Quote: "In Egypt, a liter of gas costs $0.28."

Awesome lol. So all I have to do is fly to egypt and get a ton of gas. Surely I'll save money lol. It's about $4 a gallon where I live right now in US. But... I just watched some news thing saying that in some places it might actually DOUBLE getting up to $8 a gallon. Though I don't believe it and won't believe it unless it happens.

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Yeah, sure. Drain Alaska to waste more oil on absurd 2 on 1 cars. You Americans need to start signing environment treaties - it's absolutely humiliating that third world countries and China do sign and actively try to keep to the treaty while the so-called 'most powerful country' of the world can't even keep their own carbon dioxide levels at acceptable levels. Or heck, some people still don't believe in global warming, do they?


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Quote: "Though I don't believe it and won't believe it unless it happens."


Mate, this is what I'm afraid of. That's pretty much how everyone is thinking. The country is doing horrible and no one will believe it until the crisis happens. From my point of view, America is doing horrible, and even though I'm only a kid I think people should stop just sitting around waiting.

I mean, what if all prices on oil double, and they only continue to get higher and higher? The resource of oil is depleting.
Though, it's not only oil. ALL natural resources are going to dry up eventually. Waiting does nothing imho.

But, I blame myself too, I'm only messaging on a internet forum.

Meh, I might just be getting too extreme over all this, but the circumstances certainly seem like it calls for it.

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Oh yeah. If oil runs out, we're basically screwed. If we're one step late with alternative power and most importantly, mobile alternative power, we're pretty much screwed over. If handled badly, it could end up in a World War, or even in kicking us back to the pre-automobile age.

I have faith it'll be handled well, though. Nobody besides the Illuminati that are secretly ruling the world want that to happen.


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Xeno, your Father should be able to tell you that oil prices are controlled by investor speculation, which has nothing at all to do with any government, and everything to do with oil companies and OPEC.

We fall down on our end in the US by buying so much of it without taking responsibility for the fact that if we would simply cut our use by 10%, it would impact the power that the oil companies and OPEC have tremendously.

The US strategic reserve is not sufficient to use to try to control the price. The US government does not produce ANY oil, but our laws do limit where it can be drilled for because of the environmental impact it has.

A similar thing happened with coal, and you can easily see the impact that has had in W VA, PA, and also to some degree in IL.

This Memorial Day, for example...its predicted that travel will be down only 1% in the US. I think that frivolous business travel is partially responsible, too. Certainly, our lack of proper conservation is the biggest factor, and the only way the individual has to control any of it. The idea of collusion by the government and oil companies is silly. US oil companies don't produce much oil, either...they buy it from OPEC and refine it, which is very expensive. They make tons of profit because of the huge volume that they must produce to meet our ever-growing consumption.

Many cities in the US midwest have buses that run on natural gas, which helps a little, and also we have E85, which the US government is trying to push for...but now people are complaining that its causing food shortages, which is not true at all.

Personally, I like hydroelectric power generation, and to a lesser extent, nuclear power generation. (However, its odd that the nuclear reaction itself has nothing to do with the power generated...its generated by steam turbines, which are ran by the heat genrated by the reaction.)

The Alcoa plant in Davenport, IA (Actually, its in Riverdale) has a substation dedicated to it...its coal fired! In the West, and also in Pipestone, MN...there are wind generators. I had the unique privilege of installing some specialized hardware and software in the substation that distributes that power into the grid. Ontario Hydro also generates alot of hydro power in Canada, and the Western Area Power Administration (That is the US government) generates alot of environmentally friendly power, too.

Hydrogen fuel cells are probably the best bet for automobiles, but the latest development in solar cells is a very thin film, which looks promising, but solar power is not sufficient to power a vehicle alone because of the small available surface area.

My thoughts are that we each need to take responsibility for lowering our consumption, and quit blaming the government for something we are actually causing by our sense of automatic entitlement with respect to doing whatever we want, whenever we want.

Personally, I have not owned a car for about 5 years now, and when I do work, I use public transportation, or walk/ride a bike. Not by choice, but...I don't worry about gas prices, either. They can go to $10 a gallon for all I care. That's the consumers fault, and their issue, too.
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Posted: 22nd May 2008 06:27 Edited at: 22nd May 2008 06:28
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Quote: "Or heck, some people still don't believe in global warming, do they?"


Right-O!

It's not caused by us well, ok partially it is. We're not helping it, but we're not doing as much as you think. It's natural causes. And any evidence they have is based off of views that state this planet is older than it is

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I couldn't agree with you more Rami. We need a solution to the global warming crisis immediately. Even if you don't "believe" in global warming somehow, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the trouble we're heading into if we don't find an alternative fuel source. Hydrogen and/ or sugar ethanol FTW!

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Watch, in 30 years when the Earth isn't a flaming ball of smoke, the Global Warming folk will say "we got it just in time." That or "it's still coming," considering the global warming thing has been going on since like the 60's.

And seriously, China has the worst environmental problems of any country that I can think of, so its best we don't try to follow their example.

FLAME ON!

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Ionstream speaks the truth

I dunno... look at the average temperatures over the course of the 100 or so years we've been recording them... they're all in line. If it takes 100 years to make a partial degree warmup then I'm not too worried. But then, averages DO change. They are averages mind you. Maybe the first 50 years were just a degree colder than 'normal' and anyhow, what caused the first rumored ice age, certainly weren't any people generating greenhouse gases to screw with stuff back then. Must have been dino farts!

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Actually on an honest note in the past 20 years the Earth has had some of the highest temperatures recorded. But on an even more honest note, I don't care lol.

I think everything will fall in place fine. Just 100 years ago no one had cars. Look at where we are now. We've advanced so much in the past 100 years I'm sure we'll find an alternative to oil. But that's just how I see it.

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What is 100 / 4.54 billion anyway?
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We could assume global warming is a myth and not change our ways, or we could give it the benefit of doubt and try fixing what might just be the worst crisis this planet has ever known, since Celine Dion got a recording contract anyway. Fixing global warming could create millions of new jobs around the world, solve the oil crisis (undeniably real), and would have unlimited health benefits for every man, woman, child, and creature on the planet by creating a cleaner and more efficient environment for everyone to live in.

And if global warming does exist, and most scientists think it does by the way, boy will your faces be red... literally, from sunburn! lol. But really, we'd all be dead and our kids will be dealing with the bad effects, so I suppose the easy solution for everyone is to just ignore the problem and let future generations worry about it?

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Quote: "it's absolutely humiliating that third world countries and China do sign and actively try to keep to the treaty"


Dude, do not go there. The Kyoto Agreement has more holes than a cheese grater. China is exempt from paying fines, yet they have the fast growing industrial sector in the world. 100,000 new vehicles are registered in Beijing alone every single week.

I've already locked another thread that turned into America bashing, so I'm putting out a warning to not let this thread go that way.

In Canada our gas prices have been increasing just as fast as everywhere else.


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Um, I've never heard people say global warming DOESN'T EXIST. It's the causes of global warming that people disagree on.

Some people basically think it's hypocritical of Al Gore for flying his jet around to the world to promote fear and make us feel bad for not riding our bikes to work.


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I don't personally think it exists so there you go lol. But what does my opinion matter?

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If we invaded Iraq for oil, don't you think the price of gasoline would have gone down, not up?
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Haha, I saw 4 dollars a gallon coming. They got us used to 3 bucks, that's why it's now 4.

Expect it to stay at 4 for a long time. 4 is that sweet spot where people will still pay for it without much complaining.


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...I just refuse to believe that all this crap we put into our atmosphere is having no effect on the environment, sorry, but whether we're the main cause of global a warming or not, we need to come up with alternatives to our current methods of industry either way.

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Hey now, Jeku, that disappoints me. I'm not bashing America in any way - I just have three problems with their current government and course. One of them being not signing Kyoto, making it into a practical joke, one of them placing their 'will' upon other countries and one of them being denying global warming. Heck, on Onion News they once did an item that George W. Bush finally acknowledged carbon dioxide. It could be China is growing the largest rate, but at least they're actively trying to limit it as well. There's no way for a government to react to spontaneous economic almost walhalla's.

Maybe, maybe the temperature rise is not ours. But what is sure is that the CO2 rate is rapidly rising and that we're actually adding a little upon the total. If that's enough to deregulate any of the main processes on the planet, we're screwed. That is the worst scenario. Best scenario is that it just ends up 10 degrees warmer, which would also suck as my whole nation would disappear below the sea level.


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I don't think putting gas in petrol engines is a good idea.

On the topic of oil, the fuel that we use for heating has doubled its price over 5 years.

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no... no global warming isn't a myth, it's just not happenning yet (and won't for a LONG time), at the moment the temperature is actually going down if you look at the bigger picture. The rise in temperature is mostely natural, and the polution humans make is rather insignificant. It will reach its peak soon then start to get lower.

I do agree that we need to use new methods for transportation and power since fossil fuels are just dirty

1) we need more nuclear power stations, don't believe the lies the greenists state about their complete instability. It is a clean safe powersource and nuclear waste isn't as much of a problem as they say.

2) we need to find a new method to power transportation, including planes. NO to batteries and biofuel, just NO. Rechargable batteries require materials which kill acres of land permanently. As for biofuels, I prefer to eat food rather than use it to power my car.
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Whilst Nuclear is a clean power source, how come people haven't done more research into making solar power? Right now solar is impractical because it only produces 23% of energy. IT needs to be at least 80% for it to be practical, but they haven't found a chemical that absorbs that much. I hope they will, and then it can be one of the best power sources ever. No waste, either.


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The price of a barrel of oil has gone to $135 a new record breaker and around here it's £1.14 a litre im not sure what that is in crazzy gallons and dollars anyone care to tell me?

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First off, I understand being mad at gas prices. I want to say don't blame president Bush, he has nothing to do with it at all! Okay, what America needs to do is limit exporting of gas/ oil to foreign countries and we would have enough oil/ gas for the next 100 years or more at the least if we do that. Statisctics show America exports as much oil/ gas as we consume/import. So my persoanl opinion we limit our exporting and use more gas from Alaska where there is a huge abundance there and it will in no way affect the environment. So I say till America does this or American's stop being so pigheaded and drive 3 giant SUV's per family the price will keep going up with the inflation of the economy.

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Again, economies reflect gas prices and stuff, as do foreign relations with the countries that make and sell it. CNN just did a report this afternoon where they showed stats that say oil production is only costing the oil companies something like $20 to $60 per gallon, and they said that does include profits and stuff, so beyond that, it's obvious price-gouging. That's fine and dandy if it were bubblegum, but gasoline is a necessary commodity in the modern world. I did suggest boycotting Exxon Mobile in the past but no one else was keen on it lol.

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Quote: "My input is that it's still way cheaper than many other countries, so stop complaining "


What a ridiculous stance to take. A family with very little money needs their car to go to work and take their kids to school, but suddenly they can't afford petrol. I'm sure they'd be thinking, "Well our lifes are ruined, but we're happy about it, because it's more expensive in other places". Get real.

I personally think that we have to continue looking into renewable more efficient sources of energy. I have a pretty firm belief that at this rate cars will not need petrol or any form of oil. Takes time though.

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We in the UK pay around £1.20 for a litre of diseal. Thats around £5.40 a gallon. So around $11 a gallon.


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Quote: "I want to say don't blame president Bush, he has nothing to do with it at all!"


Bush is very much involved in the state of the dollar's value. When the dollar loses its value, prices of imports will naturally rise. The US does a lot of oil importing. 1 + 1 = ?

When talking about global warming. The atmosphere consists of only ~0.05% carbon dioxide, just a fraction of that percent is human-made. So I have a hard time understanding why humans get most of the blame for the warming. I say, enjoy the sun while it lasts. It's just a natural cycle we're in. Some sources say now, other say around 2010. The earth will start to get cooler again. I don't know what to believe, but frankly i'm not that concerned. It's not the end of the world as some would believe. I'm all for renewable energy though. Whatever keeps humanity going with minimal impact on our unborn generation. Would suck if suddenly, people start realizing that non-renewable energy has run near-dry. The world would grind to a halt and things might start to remind you of mad max.

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Quote: "I did suggest boycotting Exxon Mobile in the past but no one else was keen on it lol."


Boycotting one large gas company won't do anything. Gas doesn't have the same supply/demand as other resources, it's easily interchangeable between companies. If you don't buy from Exxon then they sell it to other gas companies, thus not effecting their prices at all. You'd have to stop using gas altogether to have any sort of impact.

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Our nearest petrol station is closed. There's no fuel left, there's a blockade stopping the tankers from getting through. The French are striking about fuel prices.

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Quote: "What a ridiculous stance to take. A family with very little money needs their car to go to work and take their kids to school, but suddenly they can't afford petrol. I'm sure they'd be thinking, "Well our lifes are ruined, but we're happy about it, because it's more expensive in other places". Get real."


This assumes every family in the UK is rolling in cash? While the petrol price may be over 2x higher in the UK than US, I can understand that some areas may be poorer, not to mention the minimum wage in the US is less, but it's still not half of the UK. I wasn't stating that families who can't afford petrol should be happy as it costs more elsewhere, but that they shouldn't make it sound like it's the end of the world and that they are the only people on the planet who have to face the price increase. After all, the supply of oil is reducing drastically by the amount we extract it, demand is going up with all these new vehicles, thus price also goes up! Just wait until there are no new oil deposits left and they are all mined dry, then prices will really start to shoot up, and you will have something to complain about then.

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I live near a gas station selling gas for $4.45 a gallon. We have one the most expensive gas prices in the United States.


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Petrols $1.60 per liter here, which makes it about 6$ per gallon.

It's not going to get cheaper.


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I'd say that if the Mayans aren't right about the 2012 end of the world, then the world ends in 2038. 03:14:07 UTC on Tuesday, January 19, 2038 to be exact. Reasoning: all the computers can't compute the current price for fuel so everyone launches atom bombs to destroy the opponents, thus leading to several thousand years in cold due to the atomic winter that had formed. Then Benjamin comes in with a sword to kill off the dinosaurs that mutated from the remainder of us forum users, since we stayed indoors living on printed out forum posts, pretending to use the computer that doesn't work anymore. :X

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Some of the reason for rising prices is speculation as well...A week ago gas here was $3.57, then there was a news report saying the prices in our capital city were nearing $4. Pretty soon the prices here started rising, right now they're up to $3.75. Guess I should go buy some gas today...

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I'm paying £1.15 a litre which i believe is about $4.60 a gallon.

(Correct me if i'm wrong.)

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http://www.kshi tij.com/research/petrol.shtml

A good list of worldwide petrol price. UK is the most expensive (close to $10 a gallon) and in comparison, the USA is relatively cheap ($3.70 a gallon).

Sucks for me though, I passed my test last year and driving just isn\'t realistic for at least the next 5 years. Petrol prices are obscene, and insurance costs even more so.

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Aaron Miller
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Posted: 23rd May 2008 23:58
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Umm... People b**** too much about gas prices. It's $7 USD in some countries. I personally prefer bikes even though they don't go as far as fast.

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Posted: 24th May 2008 00:27
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Quote: "A good list of worldwide petrol price. UK is the most expensive (close to $10 a gallon)"


It's not a good list! It's a bad, BAAAD list. It's around 11$ a gallon here, and that list doesn't even have Norway. We're literally off the charts.

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Benjamin
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Posted: 24th May 2008 00:44
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Quote: "It's $7 USD in some countries."

What's your point? The average wage might be higher in other countries, meaning they can afford it better.

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