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RUCCUS
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Posted: 12th Aug 2008 05:30
Alright, this is a bit of a rant. And I know theres already a thread on the 2012 issue, but this isn't about why 2012 is predicted to be the end of the world, but more why I think its going to be close to the end of the world either way.

Heres the thing. Most of us have heard all of the reasons behind 2012. The prophecies, the scientific facts behind geological events that will occur, etc etc. And obviously, the big question is whether these events will occur or not. So then the main idea is that if these events dont occur, the world wont end, and if they do occur, the world will.


But my thoughts...

The way I see it, the world - if it doesn't actually unbelievably "end" - will in some way come to a close, in either case.

Option A) The world doesn't end, none of the predicted events occur, but in the few days leading up to the last day of the earth, everyone begins wreaking havoc. Chaos strikes country after country, pretty much simultaneously. People are starting civil wars, massive theft, murders, sacrifices, international wars could even start. Who knows. Its going to be a fight to become powerful and be remembered as the entire planet goes into a world-wide midlife crisis.

Option B) 1 or a few of the predicted events occur. The world doesn't physically end still, but all of the outcomes from Option A still occur, only with much more damage as the events unfold fueling people's worries of the world coming to it's demise.

Option C) All of the events occur, we are doomed.

Now, other than those 3 bad outcomes, the only other thing I can think of is some sort of miraculous gathering as the world comes together on the last few predicted remaining days of the planet, and tries to make peace, under the assumption that they'll be dying soon, and want to clear their conscience, mostly religiously.


I cant think of any other possible outcomes. So really the big picture is, no matter what happens in 2012, chances are a lot of people are going to get hurt or die. Somehow.


Gonna be interesting.

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Posted: 12th Aug 2008 05:34 Edited at: 12th Aug 2008 05:36
Quote: "Option A) The world doesn't end, none of the predicted events occur, but in the few days leading up to the last day of the earth, everyone begins wreaking havoc. Chaos strikes country after country, pretty much simultaneously. People are starting civil wars, massive theft, murders, sacrifices, international wars could even start. Who knows. Its going to be a fight to become powerful and be remembered as the entire planet goes into a world-wide midlife crisis."

Why would people start wars? I'm not understanding this?

This has happened before. People thought the world would end in Y2K. I don't recall any full out wars from it. Maybe a few people will do stupid things, but in the end there will not be any full scale wars because some people think the world may end.

The only possible way the world is going to "end" is if we have all these natural causes occur. They will not occur (believe what you want I'll be laughing at everyone that does in the year 2013) and there will be no wars as you have stated.

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Posted: 12th Aug 2008 05:42 Edited at: 12th Aug 2008 05:46
Its a power trip. My thinking is people will get that mindset in them that they need to either be remembered, or that they have the freedom to do whatever they wish seeing as the world will be over within the week. Either way, there wont be anything holding anyone back. The police? Who cares, the worlds going to end. Jail? Who cares, the worlds going to end. Etc, etc, etc.

Example:

Put a sex-hungry, teenaged virgin in a room with an attractive model that wouldn't stand a chance against the kid. Let them know that police are watching, and if the kid makes a move on the woman, the cops will arrest him and put him in jail for the rest of his life. Chances are he wont touch the girl.

Now tell them both that within the next 10 minutes, he's going to die, due to a lethal injection. The same goes for the woman. Hell, even the cops. Also tell the kid that it will take the police a good 10 minutes to get into the room. What do you think is going to happen? Chances are the kid will make a move.

Y2K was different, it wasn't signified as "the be-all-end-all absolute end of the entire world". It was just a possible computer bug that could cause massive debt / poverty / economic issues in the developed worlds primarily.

I didnt state there will be wars, I suggested it. To clarify. Im not trying to prophesize anything, just putting it out there that these are likely outcomes.

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Posted: 12th Aug 2008 05:46 Edited at: 12th Aug 2008 05:47
I don't think there are enough people that believe in the predictions to throw the world into chaos, just enough for us to laugh at after nothing happens.


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Posted: 12th Aug 2008 06:02
Quote: "I don't think there are enough people that believe in the predictions to throw the world into chaos, just enough for us to laugh at after nothing happens."

Exactly.

And I don't think that there is an exact time that the world is supposed to end in 2012. So you can't really say people will freak out because they will die in 10 minutes. However, I could be wrong and there may be an exact time and date.

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Posted: 12th Aug 2008 06:08 Edited at: 12th Aug 2008 06:10
Quote: "they need to either be remembered"


Remembered by who?? I'm gonna go with Gil Gilvanti on this one, I don't think that there are enough people that believe in this to actually have an effect.

Quote: "And I don't think that there is an exact time that the world is supposed to end in 2012."


I believe it's 12:12 PM/AM, not sure. Which brings me to another thing, if the world is supposed to end at 12:12 on 12/12/12 , that leads me to believe that this is mostly superstition.

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Posted: 12th Aug 2008 06:16
Quote: "I don't think there are enough people that believe in the predictions to throw the world into chaos, just enough for us to laugh at after nothing happens."


Not even that, but in our day in age where people forget there is such a thing as "outdoors" I doubt they'll even notice when 2012 hits. It'll be halfway through the year when they read something about it not happening and chuckle.


My opinion, nothing is going to happen. They'll be a few cults that believe in all that mayan mumbo jumbo that will head for the hills, but that's about it. Everyone else is going to assume they have to still go to work the next day and put their childish thoughts behind them.

The looks on the faces of the mayan nuts will be priceless when they realize they stayed up all night and there isn't a snow day tomorrow. That always sucked when I was in high school

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Posted: 12th Aug 2008 06:21
Nothings gonna happen. People will be having 'end of the world' parties celebrating 2012, just like they had parties on Y2K waiting for the lights to turn off and partying all the more when nothing happened. 2012 is not going to be the end of the world and not enough people will put any sort of belief into it to cause any sort of riots, uprisings, or wars.

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Posted: 12th Aug 2008 06:56
Quote: "I believe it's 12:12 PM/AM"


Rofl. You guys are unbelievable.

Quote: "scientific facts behind geological events that will occur"


Care to explain the scientific *facts* the world will end in 2012? I'd love to hear


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Posted: 12th Aug 2008 08:50
As with the other thread, the entire 2012 things will do exactly what the Y2k thing did, and that's NOTHING.


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Quote: "Care to explain the scientific *facts* the world will end in 2012? I'd love to hear"


Haven't you heard? The scientists at Black Mesa have managed to predict the eruption of the Yellowstone Caldera down to the millisecond, and whaddayaknow, its New Years 2012. It was either research that or some dorky thing with portals, like that would have gone anywhere!

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Posted: 12th Aug 2008 10:26 Edited at: 12th Aug 2008 10:30
None of the scientific information shows an event that could physically destroy this planet, but, life as we know it.... oh yeah, we (humans... well MOST humans) are done for if the magnetic poles shift... which will probably set off the yellowstone super volcano and who knows what else.

Predicting that it's *definitely* gonna happen in 2012 is a bit beyond me (considering our "predictions" say yellowstone was set to go off a long time ago, same for the magnetic shift), but I do find the year 2012 intriguing (really the mayan thing).

Either way we look at it, yellowstone is gonna erupt, the magnetic shift is gonna happen, ect, ect. It doesn't really matter when but it's gonna happen one day and just knowing that should be enough to cause panic, but it isn't so I disagree about the mass chaos theory, although if new information is presented, that could all go right out the window.

I don't know, just be happy it hasn't happened yet

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Posted: 12th Aug 2008 10:31 Edited at: 12th Aug 2008 10:32
I think the most infallible proof that debunks all the 2012 prophecies have already been posted in the other thread. Someone said that if it was true, then the deathclock thing wouldn't tell [person] would live for [old age].

Option D) Nothing happens, no wars, perhaps a tiny increase in crime and a lot of people made fun of.

Each year, there are many earthquakes around the world, flooding etc. I believe some people will use that and claim "its the beginning, give me all your money and you'll be safe".

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Posted: 12th Aug 2008 10:41
I'll go with Option D


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Posted: 12th Aug 2008 11:11
Ditto.......

Seriously, I remember a few years back all the emo kids in my area were scared because the world was going to be eaten by Satan on devil's day (6/6/06), 3 weeks later, we were still laughing at the weird idiots......

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Posted: 12th Aug 2008 13:24
I believe the apocalypse is happening every day of every second. It couldn't be the end. It might just be 2012, is a gateway into the apocalypse, but it won't be flames and meteorites, it will be a nuclear war, where bombs are being dropped left right and center.


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Posted: 12th Aug 2008 13:33
xD congratulations. The entire point of this thread just went right over everyone's heads. I expected that though.

The second I bring up the issue of 2012, and everyone automatically assumes I agree with it. Ill just try to sum up my thoughts one more time, and then leave this thread to the next 30 or so posts of people saying "you're an idiot, 2012 isn't going to happen".


I dont believe the predictions for 2012 will happen. I dont think some holy entity will come down and judge us all. I dont think a volcano will magically erupt after it's been stagnant well past it's correct eruption time. I dont believe the world is going to physically come to an end from either a religious being or a series of predicted events. At all. I was merely saying that regardless of if this happens or not, the large number of people in the world that do believe 2012 will be the end of the world, might feel they have enough freedom to wreak havoc without punishment. Tell all of the passengers on a boat that its going to sink within an hour, and the people that believe it are going to begin panicking.


Thanks for your time. You can continue to slander me for believing in the predictions for 2012, even though I dont.

Have fun .

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Posted: 12th Aug 2008 13:48
I'll just be worrying about the credit bill if nothing happens!

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Posted: 12th Aug 2008 14:32
I am willing to bet that the only "world-ending" thing that will happen in 2012 is that new predictions will be made that the world will end in 2020.


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Posted: 12th Aug 2008 14:44 Edited at: 12th Aug 2008 14:54
Actually between 11:11AM GMT and 11:12AM GMT.

Jeez people, don't you listen to me at all? The end of that "calender" means nothing. It'll just flip to the next date as it did for us on December 31, 1999. Yes, we changed into a new millenium. No, nothing changed. Why does everyone have to make a change of epoch or time-period such a problem? In any case, the baktun is not the largest time-unit in the Mayan calender. Can anyone please explain to me why there would be a larger unit of time (piktun, kalabtun, k'inchiltun, alautun) when the world is going to end at the end of this baktun? I mean, the Mayans even once registered the start of the universe as 13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.13.0.0.0.0. That means the next piktun will not end before 15 october 4772. To add to that, we're using the "short count" nowadays (since somewhere in the 10th century), omitting anything that is larger than a baktun. The Mayans didn't necessarily do so.

Think not. It will just roll over to 0.0.0.0.1, like it does for us. If the Mayans were okay with the idea of a cycle before this one, they will be with one after this one - there is no evidence to suggest otherwise. Heck, there's even reason to believe they didn't really care about 2012 - they extended their calender a few times before designing the long count. They might've done so again if they were here, now.

As RUCCUS said, the panic caused by this whole Mayan Prophecy hype might be more damaging than the calendar itself. In the end, someone will shout that some guy took the thirteen skulls together as in the (now popular) Mayan myth of the thirteen skulls and thus averted the disaster, everyone will think of him as a freak and indeed, we'll start worrying about the next inevitable end of the world.

And like I read somewhere, after the whole thing, we'll only have a few days left for christmas shopping.


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Posted: 12th Aug 2008 14:46
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The second I bring up the issue of 2012, and everyone automatically assumes I agree with it. Ill just try to sum up my thoughts one more time, and then leave this thread to the next 30 or so posts of people saying "you're an idiot, 2012 isn't going to happen"."

I didn't mean that in my post. I was just showing my idea on the 2012 predictions.. And this may happen...
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The only thing of big importance that will happen in 2012 is that Iceland invades Sweden, i've seen the plans and everything.. so prepare... sweden...

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Quote: "I dont believe the predictions for 2012 will happen. I dont think some holy entity will come down and judge us all. I dont think a volcano will magically erupt after it's been stagnant well past it's correct eruption time. I dont believe the world is going to physically come to an end from either a religious being or a series of predicted events. At all. I was merely saying that regardless of if this happens or not, the large number of people in the world that do believe 2012 will be the end of the world, might feel they have enough freedom to wreak havoc without punishment. Tell all of the passengers on a boat that its going to sink within an hour, and the people that believe it are going to begin panicking."

Your first post was clear in that you don't think the "prophecies" (and those quote-marks are there to show my cynicism) will come true. But, I don't think there are enough people in the world who believe that the world will end for the sudden explosion of riots etc. I know that people can be mighty stupid sometimes, but I still think it rather unlikely. There have been many many end-of-the-world prophecies before: everyone thought the world would end in 1999, but there was no such anarchic behaviour.

Having said that, I really do admire the ironic side of your idea: that humankind, through its own belief in the end of the world, will ironically end the world. (Or, rather, end the current civilised state of the world.) It's a cool idea - I just don't think that it'll happen.

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Posted: 12th Aug 2008 19:32
So it will be like Fallout 3

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Posted: 12th Aug 2008 19:42 Edited at: 12th Aug 2008 22:49
Quote: "xD congratulations. The entire point of this thread just went right over everyone's heads. I expected that though. "


Try and have a point to begin with and maybe that wouldn't happen


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Quote: "The only thing of big importance that will happen in 2012 is that Iceland invades Sweden, i've seen the plans and everything.. so prepare... sweden...
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What you are forgetting is that I, the great Sebastian (Or Alucard) live in Sweden, and with my awesome kitten powers, I can stop any invasion, even Grandma's (I know you're planning it too, I see all!).


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I didn't want to get into this before, but now I feel I must. Now why is it that people have their minds set on assuming the world will end in 2012? Sure, there are theories. But you forget that there are many other theories- scientific, religious and ancient- that suggest the end is near. But now some people dig up some theories that narrow the end down to 2012. Suddenly, these theories are suddenly deemed credible because they point to the same date. So what? Most of them are bogus anyway. And I bet the media is the source of all this paranoia. Whatever the source, people have been convinced to believe that 2012 is the end and will overlook any signs of an explanation or detestment, self-absorbed in the belief that they are right, even making up new arguements to prove their beliefs. They could have indisputable proof that they're wrong, but will ignore it out of blind ignorance. And when 2012 rolls round, they will automatically turn to religion for salvation. They will soon see there are no disasters and will either assume that God has saved them or that some form of divine intervention has occured. So then the Atheists will accept religious values, all because of a religious theory that they wouldn't otherwise believe if the predicted end result was anything other than "total destruction". * As for the Mayan calendar, why is it only now that people are suddenly fretting about these predictions. Look at the timing of it all. It's as if everyone's waited until the right moment to unleash all these theories in an attempt to overwhelm their peers with "evidence" of the end of the world. These theories have been floating around for long enough, yet people wait until the last moment to hit the public with them. As for that volcano, that's been active for thousands of years. Scientists claim it will erupt soon, but everyone assumes it will magically occur in 2012, which brings me back to my original point that people are determined to point any notion of a theory regarding destruction towards the 2012 theory.

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Quote: "So it will be like Fallout 3"

wait? the worlds gonna be a game designed by bethsada? oh my, I cant stand the 16 bit version!Must be in... 32 or 68 bit! no the world wont be a game

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68 bit? Oh wow.


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That's like, 64-bit, but not.

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lol, you guys know i`m clueless right

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It is clearly evident.

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Yes. Clearly.


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Posted: 12th Aug 2008 23:14 Edited at: 12th Aug 2008 23:16
@Ruccus - What are you talking about?

You said this in your first post:

Quote: "The way I see it, the world - if it doesn't actually unbelievably "end" - will in some way come to a close, in either case."


And this:

Quote: "I was merely saying that regardless of if this happens or not, the large number of people in the world that do believe 2012 will be the end of the world, might feel they have enough freedom to wreak havoc without punishment."


I don't think there is a "large" number of people who believe the world will end in 2012. In fact I've never heard anyone say this outside this forum. Do you really think the billions of peasants in China and India will "wreak havoc"? Can you imagine that at all? This is mainly a cultural thing, and only fringe extremists would dare riot.

Quote: "the scientific facts behind geological events that will occur"


Still waiting for the scientific facts...


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Posted: 12th Aug 2008 23:16 Edited at: 12th Aug 2008 23:17
as George Carlin said

Quote: ""Save the Planet? We don't even know how to save ourselves...""


Quote: ""...Besides, theres nothing wrong with planet. The planet is fine; the people are $#^*.""


Quote: ""...The planet isn't going any where, WE ARE!.""


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@Jeku:

Sorry, I dont explain things well in writing I guess. I wrote "unbelievably" in that first quote to imply that I dont believe it will happen. By "come to a close" I meant as the world we see today, from the huge number of people that may riot or cause havoc when the day comes. I didn't mean it would actually "end".

As for the "scientific facts", I was wrong to write that. I didnt think that would be scrutinized, I meant the theories Ive read about about there being a volcanic eruption, based on the facts they've found about previous volcanic eruptions. I dont know what these facts are, I just thought the entire reason they're predicting this volcano to explode is due to the history of it before.

Ill read over what I write closer next time.

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Nah no problems, I don't expect everyone to worry about getting their posts scrutinized. I was honestly curious about scientific facts the world was going to end in 4 years. After all if that were the truth, I would have quit my job a long time ago


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The end of the world is stupid because then we will die and that will be bad. If that happens I will be sad. But I will be dead. Can you be sad when you are dead? Uh. Thankyou.


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Come on, has anyone heard of rumors...

Hey Brad, did you know the world will end in 2012

How?

Oh... uh.. I think they said a volcano or something.

Wow thats wierd where did you hear that...

From some crazy kid running around screaming it.


Come on now its all fake.
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It's actually true. Nobody reads my posts.


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Quote: "It's actually true. Nobody reads my posts."

I do!
Quote: "68 bit? Oh wow."


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Posted: 13th Aug 2008 06:39 Edited at: 13th Aug 2008 06:40
Now I was thinking and the bible thing cannot be true unless, it was written a little bit later in time.

Point A. If the bible was first written in hebrew, which was spoken in Israel... Then why would they put a message in that includes the American Calendar, which at the time wasn't even invented.

Point B. Even if there is a secret message in the bible, the original hebrew calendar, would have a leap year every 2 or 3 years. Every normal year being 354 days while a leap year would have 384. If you added 4 years with one of them being a leap year it comes to 1446 days.

The American Calendar(Gregorian), has a leap year every four years, with 365 Days a year on a normal year and 366 days on a leap year, add them together to get 1461 days.

Now after 2008 years that would offset the gregorian calendar by 30,120 days, which is 82.5 years.
So the 2012 in the bible will happen in May of 2090

*I have never read the bible so I dont know what calendar they used it was just a guess...
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Posted: 13th Aug 2008 06:48 Edited at: 13th Aug 2008 06:48
I don't think this has anything to do with the bible, but with the Aztec (Mayan?) calendar...

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Posted: 13th Aug 2008 08:02
There was some bum saying that the Bible had a secret code between the lines spelling out the end of the earth which is totally ridiculous. if they'd just stop and read the words that are clearly visible it would explain how the world will end.

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@the_rami
I read all your posts, they'r my favorites! They actualy make sense and they actualy say more than just an opinion. Most other posts are just similar to my post above. But this, for me atleast, raises and interesting question... Or maybe not so interesting...: why do you know so much about the Aztecs?

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Posted: 13th Aug 2008 10:35
Guys, guys, guys... The earth is just one massive blob of cookie dough, 12th December 2012 is just when the almighty egg timer goes "DING!" and then the great Yazmeax eats us and the entire population is drowned by it's green saliva.

Now I cleared that up can we all stop whining?!

Robert F
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Posted: 13th Aug 2008 10:36
Quote: "Now I cleared that up can we all stop whining?!"


Sure, lets just lock this thread now!
Deathead
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Posted: 13th Aug 2008 10:56
Quote: "Guys, guys, guys... The earth is just one massive blob of cookie dough, 12th December 2012 is just when the almighty egg timer goes "DING!" and then the great Yazmeax eats us and the entire population is drowned by it's green saliva.
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That is the most retarded thing I ever heard. So sometime in the time being baked we automatically frozen into ice.lol


Robert F
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Posted: 13th Aug 2008 11:08
Quote: "That is the most retarded thing I ever heard. So sometime in the time being baked we automatically frozen into ice.lol"


Had to stop us from burning
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Posted: 13th Aug 2008 11:14
He stoped paying his gas bills and they cut of his gas. When trying the microwave, Yazmeax forgot he didn't own one so he put us in the freezer.

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