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Geek Culture / OMG this makes me mad (Slipknot blamed for school stabbing)

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Haven Studios
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Posted: 26th Aug 2008 00:24
I think that there not responsible, but really Slipnot does not seem harmful the only music that is harmful is rap music

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Posted: 26th Aug 2008 00:28 Edited at: 26th Aug 2008 00:32
Not all rap is harmful:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUkpR2Q6Oy8

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Posted: 26th Aug 2008 07:31 Edited at: 26th Aug 2008 07:36
I just hate where music has gone, all this talk of crap we dont need to do and glorifying satan and crap like that...thats why i just listen to techno mainly cause no lyrics...i like some metal but its normally not the bad songs like kill someone of do crap, i really like older metal cause its not all bad and stuff. I mean whats the point of making music if u just gonna promote bad stuff in some way, shure most of those bads have songs about saving something but they still have other songs that just are not necessary.

I hate rap and pop and stuff like that to cause its just about getting girls, money, alcohol, drugs. and rap and pop make girls be uber skinny and lil *i wont say*.

I really dont have a favorite band or genre of music, i could like a song but not the band, which happens a lot.


Im also not a huge fan of music in the first place cause there is a lot of crap, i play video games for stress relieve.


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Posted: 26th Aug 2008 07:47 Edited at: 26th Aug 2008 20:24
Quote: "Not all rap is harmful:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUkpR2Q6Oy8

*warning, foul language*"


lol, that has no point at all.

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Posted: 26th Aug 2008 11:17
Quote: "whats the point of making music if u just gonna promote bad stuff in some way"


not all metal is like that, have a look at the band Killswitch Engage, they are one of the most positive bands in metal today (and also one of the most influential), most of their songs are love songs


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Posted: 26th Aug 2008 12:53
Quote: "all this talk of crap we dont need to do and glorifying satan and crap like that...thats why i just listen to techno mainly cause no lyrics...i like some metal but its normally not the bad songs like kill someone of do crap,"


I don't see 'glorifying satan' any worse than 'glorifying' Jesus - it's just music promoting something religious (Satanism isn't as bad as people like to think) - in fact none of the 'satanist' lyrics I've heard promote killing - look at the one I posted earlier. It really just preaches how christianity is evil and it's responsible for suffering - and tend to talk about their hatred for the crusaders and how they should have paid for what they did. Though I don't deny that there isn't any metal that sings about death and killing and some metal is meant to be 'gory', but it's about as influential as any gory movie or violent video game. You'd have o be amoral to act out on it.

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Posted: 26th Aug 2008 14:50
Have not read the entire thread, but honestly, no matter the music it is the person who makes the choice to stab, it is not the musics fault. Psycos exist, they flip out on something, weither it is music, games or books is less important, they always flip out on something. What is important is to find them and help them, so they will not flip out. People can change.

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Posted: 26th Aug 2008 15:19
what makes this kids alibi even more unbelievable is that (according to the news site i read it off) just before he stabbed the other kid he said

Quote: "wanna see something cool?"



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Posted: 26th Aug 2008 15:51
An interesting thing is that after the massacre in Columbine, some blamed Marylin Manson for it, even though the kids that did it thought he was mainstreem. Personally I think that whenever things like this happen, it is a tragedy, but if you are going to blame something, at last blame the right thing.

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Posted: 26th Aug 2008 15:52 Edited at: 26th Aug 2008 15:53
Accoun, that kitten image is awsome, can I use it as an avatar in another forum and as an Display Pic in msn?

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Ohhh, sorry for the double post. Did not think of it until it was too late .

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Quote: "An interesting thing is that after the massacre in Columbine, some blamed Marylin Manson for it, even though the kids that did it thought he was mainstreem. Personally I think that whenever things like this happen, it is a tragedy, but if you are going to blame something, at last blame the right thing."


Marilyn Manson in an interview actually showed he cared for the people in the Columbine massacre, though it was on Bowling for Columbine, which was made by not an exactly reliable journalist - however he makes the point clear - the last thing the murderers did was go bowling - so should bowling to be held accountable instead? Did something about the game build them up for a line of hatred to express on other students by shooting them? Of course it didn't - the shooters were responsible.

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Posted: 26th Aug 2008 19:54
@sp3ng- I know not all bands are bad....personnally i like osme songs by killswitch engage...i mean what is the point of having stuff like what someone said easier like cutting self and sticking something...yeah IMO i think that stuff is stupid.


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Posted: 26th Aug 2008 22:12
Quote: "Not all rap is harmful"

Amen to that. People always assume all rap is evil, but a lot of it has a positive message, or in the very least they don't talk about all the garbage hardcore rappers talk about. The Roots, Mos Def, Jurassic 5, Common... heck, even Kanye West has a positive message in 6 out of 10 of his songs. And even the "bad" rappers usually have a message in their albums somewhere. For instance, The Wu Tang Clan had a song called "I Can't Go to Sleep" that was one big huge message. And if you don't love the Beastie Boys I'm going to have to slap you silly lol.

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Quote: "And if you don't love the Beastie Boys I'm going to have to slap you silly lol."


They have such pointless songs, but they're awesome, so it doesn't matter.

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i hate the beastie boys


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Posted: 26th Aug 2008 23:53
Quote: "Accoun, that kitten image is awsome, can I use it as an avatar in another forum and as an Display Pic in msn?"

Why are you asking? I haven't made it so no problem. (I think...)

Quote: "Marilyn Manson in an interview actually showed he cared for the people in the Columbine massacre,"

Was is the interview where he was aske what would he say to the killers, and he anwswered sth. like "Nothing, I would listen to them because it seems that noone dod it before...")? I remember there was one, but I can't find it...

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Posted: 27th Aug 2008 00:03
Hate is such a strong word. Did they kill your dog or something? I like them because I listened to them when I was young and clueless. Their epic robot fight song...thing, was epic. I haven't heard that song in years but it was awesome back when it was new.

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Posted: 27th Aug 2008 01:08
Quote: "Was is the interview where he was aske what would he say to the killers, and he anwswered sth. like "Nothing, I would listen to them because it seems that noone dod it before...")? I remember there was one, but I can't find it...
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Something along those lines - I can't remember if it was for the killers or the survivors. Listening to the killers however would probably do some good - you understand why they did what they did and could probably move you closer to rehabilitating them (instead of just pointing the finger and sending them to jail) and of course understanding the motives means you can understand why people do such things. (instead of jumping to conclusions)

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Posted: 27th Aug 2008 01:10 Edited at: 27th Aug 2008 01:11
The dude who stabbed someone and blamed it on Slipknot needs to go to something called a "PHYSCOSOCIAL"!!!!. Same with all the people who blame everything on rock music.
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Posted: 27th Aug 2008 01:26 Edited at: 27th Aug 2008 01:26
I blame rock music for helping me develop a good taste in music!

This is an outrage! without rock music, I would listen to something else!
I might have killed someone out of sheer rage that I didn't have anything good to listen to!

AHHh I'm so mad right now at rock music!

I want to stab someone!

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Quote: "Why are you asking? I haven't made it so no problem. (I think...)"


Just want to make sure. But then I will take it.

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Quote: "I blame rock music for helping me develop a good taste in music!

This is an outrage! without rock music, I would listen to something else!
I might have killed someone out of sheer rage that I didn't have anything good to listen to!

AHHh I'm so mad right now at rock music!

I want to stab someone!"


Exactly, lol


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Posted: 27th Aug 2008 22:11
Quote: ""I blame rock music for helping me develop a good taste in music!

This is an outrage! without rock music, I would listen to something else!
I might have killed someone out of sheer rage that I didn't have anything good to listen to!

AHHh I'm so mad right now at rock music!

I want to stab someone!""



OH MY GOD, HE'S RIGHT!!!!


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Posted: 27th Aug 2008 22:27
I'm right? I mean, I'm right!

You understood that? I didn't even understand it.

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Hello Zombie20 - you returned? Well I can see you've managed to understand Grandma...though to be honest, I am in the mood for stabbing - there's a pointy thing on my desk...shall I use it...my sister's in the next room...should I listen to the voices of metal and murder - it'll be easy after all - just in the throat. Nice. Quick. Easy.


Though the pointing thing won't do much good - she might punch me to the ground before it does any harm, but it's the thought that counts, right? That's what my mother always taught me.

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Quote: "Hello Zombie20 - you returned? Well I can see you've managed to understand Grandma...though to be honest, I am in the mood for stabbing - there's a pointy thing on my desk...shall I use it...my sister's in the next room...should I listen to the voices of metal and murder - it'll be easy after all - just in the throat. Nice. Quick. Easy.


Though the pointing thing won't do much good - she might punch me to the ground before it does any harm, but it's the thought that counts, right? That's what my mother always taught me."


I am back, the beaches and lovely low clothed women have now become normal and I want to return to my coding, and oh my god I think I might actually have a game!!! FTW! = Computer haha, its all on paper. Now enough pointing out that I am doing some actual development.

Well we crazies have to understand each other through some means of communication otherwise what hope do we have as we undermine the authoritative figurehead running our every move In the mood for stabbing eh, well I have always been against stabbing... unless it involves sisters because odds are that crazy female has herself a rocket launcher prepped for your arse, may I suggest a drop from the ceiling approach as she sleeps? Of course, you'll want something rather epic and opera like so I am going to call out some Opeth or Nightwish to better prepare yourself for the oncoming assault, you'll want to make sure you take out the land mines for your getaway, go go go!


As far as mosh pits go, I remember last year I was in on one and some poor girl got her darn nose broke open but everyone helped her out, in fact about a good 10 people stopped moshing to see if she was okay, I thought that was sweet but she jumped back in a couple minutes later after going to the bathroom - dedication. I remember getting knocked around pretty good, there were guys at least twice my skinny size but I''m gangly so it figures out in the end, but it was all good fun. I mean even at some hardcore shows people tend to just realise, my god we're having fun because we crave some bruising, not killing one another.


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Quote: "You have issues."


So my psychiatrist believes.

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Posted: 28th Aug 2008 01:53
Quote: "So my psychiatrist believes."

You shouldn't trust them. They will tell you anything to keep you as a regular. Heck, one of mine even said that I had worrying amounts of insight and information on corpse disposal.... Why is that so worrying?

I like it when the blood drips in its timenly slips. The fanciful patterns on the floor created from her sore, much unlike the stains that the coffee retaines.

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Posted: 28th Aug 2008 02:08 Edited at: 28th Aug 2008 02:12
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Slipknot devil music? I'm the Devil and I don't recall giving them that seal of approval. I must go and destroy every inch of ground they've walked upon, excuse me.


<I wonder if anyone understands the meaning of that text... >

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Quote: "Quote: "So my psychiatrist believes."
You shouldn't trust them. They will tell you anything to keep you as a regular. Heck, one of mine even said that I had worrying amounts of insight and information on corpse disposal.... Why is that so worrying?

I like it when the blood drips in its timenly slips. The fanciful patterns on the floor created from her sore, much unlike the stains that the coffee retaines."

lol.

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Quote: "You shouldn't trust them. They will tell you anything to keep you as a regular. Heck, one of mine even said that I had worrying amounts of insight and information on corpse disposal.... Why is that so worrying? "


Oh it's not me that's so worrying, it's my alter-ego you ought you look out for...for some reason he calls himself 'logic' - never understood why - I think he was hoping to go out with a one-line one day...that'd be cool - my alter-ego has that sort of personality.

However, corpse disposal? I could do with a friend like you...and so could Logic.

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Plink - Plink - Plink - Plink -

The resonation of the blood reaching the cold floor had begun to take force over me, as though the very corpse were crying out "I know what you did!!!!"

Plink- Plink - Plink - Plink


Ohhh but how I crave that sound

Plink - Plink - Plink -

Tasty


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wow this is getting weird


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Yeah I think we went a bit off topic and had a bit of fun with the 'metallers are psychopaths' idea, but nonetheless I think all intelligent discussion related to the topic is probably long gone...

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No no, we can save it, but..... I pass that to.....

GRANDMA

save this thread!!!


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Die, thread! DIE!


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Rofl xD


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Posted: 28th Aug 2008 23:11 Edited at: 28th Aug 2008 23:20
Personally metal has nothing to do with if someone kills someone or not. Most of the killers were way past the need for metal to give them the idea. These people needed help and never got it.

The police invested the Columbine massacre found that the two killers where outcasts and where bullied daily. The staff did nothing to stop the bulling so they did. Now the government has forced the school the deal with the problem of bulling and look for signs to possible problems.

http://www.boulderdailycamera.com/shooting/report.html Warning big fecking report.

Another school killer Seung-Hui_Cho although he did have a page on vampire freaks it should be noted the mental health of this person proves he was not all there.

Most of the people I know are good people. Yes there are w****rs who say their music is better but ever musical gene has them. There has never been a time where I thought this person going to do something bad. I feel better with a little bit of metal playing in the back ground. Hell it’s what people like after all.

The people who are against metal should listen to some first. Also I do feel they are working for the record labels. The more they morn about Manson the more records he seems to sell (maybe they are paid to morn). It’s like Witchcraft when they burnt people the more they did it the more people joined so they could rebel. Welcome to the human race by saying no you can't have it we then want it.

The people use music, TV and video games as an escape goat. Even the Beatles where used as a scrape goat by Charles Milles Manson for his murders.

Also no music is safe from the whole killers and other deviant behaviour thing like Glitter with their kiddie fiddling.

I see it as more of societies failing to help others and to take responsibly for its own actions.

I'll add something later on.
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Posted: 28th Aug 2008 23:29
Sorry im just not into metal. Im more into rock. 70's 80's 90's and todays hits. I like other genres to. Most I dont even know what they are called. I like the Fray. Greenday. Stuff like that.

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I am not into metal either, but that it would be behind murders is nothing but redicolus. People act, not music. I agree much with sprite, when things like this happen it is a failure of sociaty to identify and help the people who acted.

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Thats stupid first off slipknot is Amazing second that is stupid its not slipknots fault, that idiot should of stabbed someone and i hope that he ends up rotting in jail even if he was influenced by them he had no right to kill someone, and thats a lame exuss thats like me slapping my girlfriend (which i would NEVER Do) And say, Oooppps well i got it from that Britney Spears song Hit me Baby one more time (or whatever its called) So im fully Behind Slipknot.

PS: There new song Psychosocial Freaking RockS!


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PS: There new song Psychosocial Freaking RockS!"


have u heard the whole of the new album yet though?

its is absolutely unbelievably amazing. they have expanded their musical range so much


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I agree with Mnemonix, anyone that hates Metal is a communist and is in direct league with the demonic hordes of Monopoly.

I also agree that people should take responsibility for their action. The "satan told me to do it" is sort of like bart, "she told me to", or the jelous 5 year old pointing at the baby.

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Quote: "have u heard the whole of the new album yet though?"


Not yet just a few off of youtube ill most likely pick it up at Bestbuy sometime soon.


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