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Roses In Dreams
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Im a fan of Mike Inel..
The guy who made "Illusion of the Towers"..
Video of Nvidia 2007 game making entry:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCVOGLszIIw


Here's an early premature WIP game video of "Delusion"..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYyjhvzTe2o

I wish he came back to the TGC forums and stop making games with adult content..

His works are inspirational for me..I like his ideas..His 3d modeling skills are very good for a solo game developer..

Well, I posted this to inspire other people..( I hope )..heheh..

Still, his works are very good!!..The BEST I've seen in this forums.!!!!
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Posted: 27th Sep 2008 13:15
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Quote: "I wish he came back to the TGC forums and stop making games with adult content."

The guy should follow his own course, dreams and goals - if the TGC forums can't mix with those or the people around here can't accept that, I can understand he doesn't frequent here anymore. His 'story' probably is the only time I've been disappointed in these forums - even though I'm fully against the 'adult games' and that easter egg was plain dumb of him. But in the end, everyone makes mistakes and if it's his thing, it's his thing - he was good at what he did.

I'd prepare to see this locked, though.


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Roses In Dreams
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Posted: 27th Sep 2008 13:22
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He should knock some sense into himself..

Anyways, I'll work and practice as hard to reach his level. I still enjoy looking and playing his works. I look up to this guy somehow even he has his weird tastes..

I'll be as good as him after some years of practice..nyahahaha

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Posted: 27th Sep 2008 13:32
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Quote: "..even though I'm fully against the 'adult games' and that easter egg was plain dumb of him."


I also dont like games with adult content but I dont enjoy hating people so I'll just look past through it.

Im not against TGC or anyone who dislikes his tastes. I just wanna show his latest work to those who like his games somehow.

Latest WIP (I think):http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYyjhvzTe2o
"Even in evil, an inspiration for good can suffice."
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Mr Tank
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Posted: 27th Sep 2008 14:49
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The guy knows his stuff. Thanks for the link.

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Posted: 27th Sep 2008 15:05
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Everyone is so judgmental. Big deal, it was explicit but not offensive. If he'd had an Easter egg of someone eating dynamite and splattering into bloody pieces nobody would have given it a second thought.


Come see the WIP!
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Why do you keep bashing this guy? He has his own thinking world like every other people haves their own. So just shut up and get this locked.

Mike inel is a good guy who just has diffrent tastes than most of us.

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Anime = Lots of rubbish, adult content and annoying girls...

Mike inel = Animie fan...

Mike inel + animie = Anime styled games with tons of adult content...


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Why do you keep bashing this guy? He has his own thinking world like every other people haves their own. So just shut up and get this locked.

Mike inel is a good guy who just has diffrent tastes than most of us."

Quoted for the truth. =)


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Mike is cool.

He has skill that is beyond some of us, most if not all wish we had his ability.

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Posted: 27th Sep 2008 18:13
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Quote: "I also dont like games with adult content but I dont enjoy hating people so I'll just look past through it."


Well I like adult content and I do enjoy hating people. So rock on Mike Inel!


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Posted: 27th Sep 2008 19:17
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Quote: "Well I like adult content and I do enjoy hating people. So rock on Mike Inel!"


Lol.

I watched that video. Could he have done a better ^^^^bear?

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Posted: 27th Sep 2008 19:21
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Quote: "Everyone is so judgmental. Big deal, it was explicit but not offensive. If he'd had an Easter egg of someone eating dynamite and splattering into bloody pieces nobody would have given it a second thought."

The Easter Egg was stupid. The rules are already relaxed around here, but you know how sensitive nudity is - especially when taking into account the forum is accessible to 13+. The point is that he put it in there without explicit warning with the download.

Besides that, like said before, I feel he should do what he thinks is best and most fun.


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Posted: 27th Sep 2008 19:48
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Quote: "The point is that he put it in there without explicit warning with the download."


Actually while i agree he shouldve told that in forum but the player had no idea there was that kind of easter egg until the end where there is warning.

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Posted: 27th Sep 2008 21:21
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Quote: "Why do you keep bashing this guy? He has his own thinking world like every other people haves their own. So just shut up and get this locked."


Who's bashing him in this thread?


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Posted: 27th Sep 2008 21:33
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Quote: "Actually while i agree he shouldve told that in forum but the player had no idea there was that kind of easter egg until the end where there is warning."

The 'but' doesn't take away anything from the fact that it was wrong to implement it without prior warning.

Nobody's bashing Mike. I think his work is superb, but like said, I avoid his adult-oriented work.


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Posted: 28th Sep 2008 02:44
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Well not propaply bashing but it makes me feel bad when everyone just says here that he should stop making that what he like to do.

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Quote: "Well not propaply bashing but it makes me feel bad when everyone just says here that he should stop making that what he like to do."


That's because there's some kind of twisted taboo against sex in video games.


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Quote: "That's because there's some kind of twisted taboo against sex in video games."

Yes, lets all go show 13-year olds some steamy scenes. Real good idea.


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Quote: "Yes, lets all go show 13-year olds some steamy scenes. Real good idea."


I'm sure the intention of adult content in games isn't to show it to 13 year olds. It's just an unwanted side effect, although I do agree that said side effect is reason enough to not include the content without proper warnings


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Posted: 28th Sep 2008 07:18
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Quote: ""Well not propaply bashing but it makes me feel bad when everyone just says here that he should stop making that what he like to do.""


In my opinion,he doesn't restrict himself from liking any form of art and that includes adult oriented art. Maybe those kinds of art are the ones that inspired him to do better and improve himself.
If that's the day it had to go for him, Well, good for him. I wish him the best.

I still look up to this guy no matter what everyone says.

Quote: "I watched that video. Could he have done a better ^^^^bear?"


It looked like the teddy bear doesn't know how to walk.nyahaha

The female character had nice flowing movements. Oohh. and I loved that sword.. The eye monsters are creepy and cool..

Rock on Mike Inel!!

I'll be as good as you someday..heheh
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Quote: "Yes, lets all go show 13-year olds some steamy scenes. Real good idea.
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Well let's face it, most 13-year olds have looked at porn at least once, it's just too easily accessible. So it wouldn't be anything new. But I do agree that they shouldn't see the stuff, although Mike Inel is darn good at what he does though, that game looks awesome.


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Posted: 28th Sep 2008 11:01 Edited at: 28th Sep 2008 11:01
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Quote: "Big deal, it was explicit but not offensive."

Not to you.
TGC has a policy regarding posting nudity and,in all honesty,Mike knew this when he did it.
It was a particularly boneheaded thing to do IMO.He had a shot of winning the competition with his entry.
I wish him luck with his work and I hope he learned a lesson from this.
If I were him I'd still be beating my head into a brick wall...so I never did it again.
But we all use a lack of judgement when we do things from time to time.What's important is what we learn from it.

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Quote: "Yes, lets all go show 13-year olds some steamy scenes. Real good idea."

Right - instead, let's show them some mass murderer on a rampage.

I agree with Jerico2day here - the world is a very twisted place when it's ok to show killing and death, but not ok to show sex.

However, that's my personal opinion - as a mod I'd have to say it wasn't a very smart move on his part. He knew the rules, he broke them.

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Posted: 28th Sep 2008 12:14
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Quote: "I watched that video. Could he have done a better ^^^^bear?"

I never tought it can look good in 3d...

Quote: "It looked like the teddy bear doesn't know how to walk.nyahaha "

Hope you're joking.

Quote: "If I were him I'd still be beating my head into a brick wall...so I never did it again."

So it's good he hadn't done that. I like his work - the adult oane, too...

Make games, not war.

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Quote: "I agree with Jerico2day here - the world is a very twisted place when it's ok to show killing and death, but not ok to show sex."


This is to prevent the end of the world. With sex, the world will get overpopulated and people because there aren't enough resources to live on. On the other hand, with violence and mass murder, we reduce the world's population.

For this reason, the world promotes mass murder rampages and prevents sex.

Well, at least that's the way I see it..hehehe

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I was joking.
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Quote: "This is to prevent the end of the world. With sex, the world will get overpopulated and people because there aren't enough resources to live on. On the other hand, with violence and mass murder, we reduce the world's population.

For this reason, the world promotes mass murder rampages and prevents sex.

Well, at least that's the way I see it..hehehe"

Nice Pov...
Quote: "I was joking. "

Good, if you weren't it would be an epic fail...

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Evil has its own purpose. The world is more about perception than reality. The truth is just a matter of perception and convention.

Talking like this makes me feel 40 years older..hahaha
Its not even funny.

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I agree..
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The guy is an amazing artist, but he definitely should not have posted his easter eggs and adult content here.

Also, sexual content is far more tempting to most people than violent content. Yes, porn is very easily accessible nowadays, but it doesn't have to be any easier.

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Quote: "Also, sexual content is far more tempting to most people than violent content. Yes, porn is very easily accessible nowadays, but it doesn't have to be any easier."


It doesn't have to be any easier? Why shouldn't it be easier?


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Quote: "Yes, porn is very easily accessible nowadays, but it doesn't have to be any easier."

Well, I think it's easier to search for porn in Google than to search for them in games' easter eggs...

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It doesn't have to be any easier? Why shouldn't it be easier?"


Because it can be a very destructive and addicting problem. I actually know someone who's father's reason for committing suicide was that he was so addicted to pornography that it was driving him crazy and he didn't ever want to be a part in getting his son addicted.

Fact is, it can be very destructive to families and / or relationships, not to mention the sex addicts who go out and rape women / children. It's not a good thing.

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It should be made very hard to access to make it cause more pain and hassle than pleasure. They associate more pain with doing the habit so that it cancels out the pleasure.

As a result, watching or searching porn becomes more than a hassle or pain in the ass than pleasure.

Its somehow similar to the "train an animal to do tricks methods".

Its the usual break bad habit technique. More pain than pleasure to the bad habit.

I learned this by just by being a teenager.. Adults are whiners..

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Its a good thing that the law has death sentence and life sentence ready for these..

I love the law..All hail the law of man..And also all hail the law of God.
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I hate law.

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omg >.<

Quote: "It should be made very hard to access to make it cause more pain and hassle than pleasure. They associate more pain with doing the habit so that it cancels out the pleasure."


Are you kidding me? Sex is one of the main driving forces in the animal kingdom. You could make the website shoot you with lemon juice right in your eye and people would still look at porn.

Quote: "I actually know someone who's father's reason for committing suicide was that he was so addicted to pornography that it was driving him crazy and he didn't ever want to be a part in getting his son addicted."


The kid you know is a liar. His father was obviously very sick in the head. From your sentence it's pretty obvious what was actually going on, but it's too disgusting to mention on these forums.


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Actually his mother told my mother. I didn't find out for quite a few years after I met him. And that's what the suicide note said. Don't call my friend or his mom a liar, they are 2 very honest people.

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Quote: "Fact is, it can be very destructive to families and / or relationships, not to mention the sex addicts who go out and rape women / children. It's not a good thing."

I see it the other way around. Porn is used to uhm, relieve people. People don't go out and rape because they are addicted to porn, they go out and rape because they are mentally FUBAR. Somehow, this reminds me of the school-shooting debate.

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Then his father was a liar. Nobody commits suicide because they like pron.


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People love to make a big deal over nothing on this forum . Mike Inel is an extremely talented artist and programmer, and I look forward to his future works.

Also as far as I recall he warned people the game was going to contain adult themes several times in his thread, asked if it would be allowed multiple times and received no answer from any of the mods. Hard to believe it being such a high profile entry every mod on this forum managed to miss that.

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I just find it ironic that killing - which is both morally wrong and very illegal at any age - is considered fine in video games, while nudity and porn - which 99% of kids WILL view before turning 18, or even 16 for that matter - are considered absolutely outrageous and offensive in video games.

90% of statistics are completely inaccurate.
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AndrewT, you really live up to your signature in the last post.

Quote: "Right - instead, let's show them some mass murderer on a rampage."

That would not be allowed, such movies would be rated mature, wouldn't they? The world is twisted, but like someone said - everyone knows violence is wrong - we're taught it is from the start. Not so much with sexuality, thank God. People are nuts nowadays, going as far as to propose to teach 5-year olds about sexuality. Pornography gives a distorted view of sexuality and thus has a far larger chance of having dangerous impact on someone. Plus, as far as I'm concerned, it's pretty much disgusting people can actually be addicted to such dirt.

I feel Agent Dink is right in this case.


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Quote: "Pornography gives a distorted view of sexuality"


How so? Porn is made by people having sex.

Perhaps tentacle porn gives a distorted view of sexuality, but anything filmed is generally reality.

Whether you can find women into such things as you might find online is anyones guess, but that's another problem altogether

I can't believe you guys wanting to censor video games and porn and video game porn. Are we not all developers here who don't want to be stifled?


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Quote: "I can't believe you guys wanting to censor video games and porn and video game porn. Are we not all developers here who don't want to be stifled?
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Damn those folks at TGC who don't allow you to post porn around here.
How dare they!
I need to contact Customer Service and see why not...
That's right...these are family friendly forums not a place for people to deal with porn.
You get censored everywhere you go.Suck it up and deal like the rest of us.

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No, I think TGC acted appropriately. However, comments like:

Quote: "I wish he came back to the TGC forums and stop making games with adult content.."


Is what I'm talking about.


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Quote: "That would not be allowed, such movies would be rated mature, wouldn't they?"

Haven't you ever played multiplayer in one of the quake or unreal series?

Quote: "everyone knows violence is wrong - we're taught it is from the start. Not so much with sexuality, thank God"

Violence is wrong, so it's ok to show it in the majority of games. Sex is ok, so we can't show it at all.

I know it can't just be me that thinks that's messed up.

It's not really going to change while the so-called 'moral majority' think that murder in the news on a daily basis ('oh what a shame') is preferable to a nipple on TV at Superbowl ('string 'em up!')

moral majority = minority of prudes who make the majority of the noise.


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I agree.I'd rather see a breast up close than a firearm any day of the week...

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Okay, maybe not 99% all over the world, but at least in my school.

90% of statistics are completely inaccurate.
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Quote: "even though I'm fully against the 'adult games' and that easter egg was plain dumb of him."

I'm not against any kind of game. I don't play 'adult' games (porno games - why can't people just say that? It's not a bad word... Adult could simply mean mature, such as GTA) - in fact I much prefer Crash Bandicoot and Guitar Hero. What was the easter egg? I'm aware of what happened with Mike Inel, but I don't recall anything about an easter egg..

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Quote: " What was the easter egg? I'm aware of what happened with Mike Inel, but I don't recall anything about an easter egg.."


What I heard was that if you set your computer clock to new years(exactly) and then hit ctrl+naked, a picture of two women naked would come up, and then you could play as a model of a naked women for the rest of the game.

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Posted: 28th Sep 2008 22:45
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Whether or not adult content in video games and media is wrong or right is a moot point. The fact that it was hidden and not disclosed is the issue.

If you're a real game publisher you have to disclose all the game's content to the ESRB so they can give you a rating. Look what happened to GTA San Andreas when the hidden sex "mini-game" was found. It would have not been a problem to have a PC game with sex mini-games, as long as it's probably disclosed and receives the proper rating (i.e. Mature). I would be pretty pissed if I bought my kid an RPG and it had a hidden sex mini-game that was not disclosed on the game.

Other than that, there's no point in arguing whether porn is "good" or "bad". Nobody will change their opinion.


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