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FPSC Classic Models and Media / [LOCKED] Free Boss Character from bond1

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Posted: 7th Dec 2008 00:05
Lol.
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Posted: 7th Dec 2008 00:21
lol @ Opposing Force

Thats just wrong. (la bamba?)

Poor LEE

All in good fun I guess.

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Posted: 7th Dec 2008 00:23 Edited at: 7th Dec 2008 00:23
Quote: "(la bamba?)"


La Bamba -> Lee Bamber

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Posted: 7th Dec 2008 01:18
Yea, I noticed it to (9 second death)... but the death script, it's a modified ice wizard death script isnt it?


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Posted: 7th Dec 2008 01:49 Edited at: 7th Dec 2008 01:52
Quote: "but the death script, it's a modified ice wizard death script isnt it?"

Has to be.. I noticed that too.

He did say that he made this freebie in a day.
No sense in re-inventing the wheel. Right Bond?
Besides, the easiest way to re-cycle is to re-use.

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Posted: 7th Dec 2008 01:52
yep


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Posted: 7th Dec 2008 01:56
Yeah, and actually that was kind of a mistake - that icewizard stuff can be removed, although it doesn't hurt anything. I must've altered a standard destroy script when I was making the ice wizard, and never bothered changing it back. And that anim93 is just a one-frame animation of him laying face down, basically the first frame of the standard "get up front" animation.

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Posted: 7th Dec 2008 04:58
Talking of animations, any thoughts on us being able to use your custom rigs with our own character models?

For example if we've purchase a model pack from TGC or invididual model of yours from the store that has custom animations, are we allowed to use those skeletons for our own content?

Thanks bond1
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Posted: 7th Dec 2008 05:25 Edited at: 7th Dec 2008 05:26
Quote: "For example if we've purchase a model pack from TGC or invididual model of yours from the store that has custom animations, are we allowed to use those skeletons for our own content?"


Oh sure that's fine, as long as you don't turn around and resell the model on the store claiming the animations as your own, for example. But using them for a custom character in your game is fine, even commercially.

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Posted: 7th Dec 2008 07:24
Your zombie animations are good.
This is so funny and I can't believe you're giving this away for free, that's really generous of you, thanks.
This is really really funny.

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Posted: 7th Dec 2008 12:20
I Your Work Bond!

BTW this is luke x10 its just i dont like my old account.
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Posted: 7th Dec 2008 12:49 Edited at: 7th Dec 2008 12:50
Bond, I had sent you an email a few days ago. Really would like to know one way or another about some custom work I would like to have done.

I like your new Rick Roll character so I am going to do a single level and Rick Roll my Grandsons and a couple of nephew-in-laws.

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Posted: 7th Dec 2008 19:02
Quote: "Oh sure that's fine, as long as you don't turn around and resell the model on the store claiming the animations as your own, for example. But using them for a custom character in your game is fine, even commercially."


Thanks bond1. Thats going to allow me to make custom characters that have some variety in the way they move and attack etc which is awesome.
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Posted: 7th Dec 2008 21:51
Ahem, last I checked putting a copyrighted song on the internet for free is illegal. Why is this character ok? The download includes the song.


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Posted: 8th Dec 2008 00:13
SamHH

Dude why is it always you tagging the forums with legal scrutiny?

You must have something better to do with your time like making a game or something.
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Posted: 8th Dec 2008 01:48
There's got to be a grey area here: the download includes an edited MONO, very low bitrate version of the song. Not even FM quality. Nobody's trying to profit from anything here. And Youtube hosts dozens of the videos, which I'm sure SOMEONE holds the rights to. It's just all in good fun.

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Posted: 8th Dec 2008 05:11 Edited at: 8th Dec 2008 14:58
Yeah, no profit here so this is definitley seems like fan based usage, but I don't know.
There seems to be a 'rickrolled' thing on the web that was happening before this model.
I have to say though, it did surprise me to see the song in the zip.

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Posted: 8th Dec 2008 20:35
...surprised to find the song included, as well.

I dunno...might be wise to omit that particular file from the DL, bond1.

You never know...


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Posted: 8th Dec 2008 22:45
Nomad Soul:
Don't complain when I mention that something might be illegal. I am going to be a lot nicer than the record company lawyers.
Why not just say to people here is the character and provide instructions on how to insert the audio file after you buy it from itunes for 99 cents? that way people can still have the great character and not be infringing copyright.


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Posted: 8th Dec 2008 22:53
I believe music copyright laws have a 20 year limit, and music becomes public domain,after 20 years. I'm not sure on this.

I'm not a bad person, I'm just modeled that way...........lol
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Posted: 8th Dec 2008 23:47 Edited at: 8th Dec 2008 23:50
Quote: "Why not just say to people here is the character and provide instructions on how to insert the audio file after you buy it from itunes for 99 cents? that way people can still have the great character and not be infringing copyright."

I am forced to agree

Quote: "I dunno...might be wise to omit that particular file from the DL, bond1."

I willingly agree to that one.

Quote: "I believe music copyright laws have a 20 year limit, and music becomes public domain,after 20 years. I'm not sure on this."

No, it was 70 years, and that got changed. (It had to have been recorded prior to 1922 to be in the public domain)
That is of course, unless the author chooses to make it public domain.

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Heltor, you are correct, this is the reason in many films that release which dont have a huge financial backing they use old music

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Posted: 8th Dec 2008 23:59
I personally don't see it as a problem...I thought it was all in good fun, and the fact that the song is all over the internet anyway meant I didn't give it a second thought...

Instead of getting accused of playing favourites which I'm sure someone would do, I will lock this thread and remove the download link, for now, and discuss it with the other mods to see what they all think...

Even your proposed downloading the song off iTunes has its faults as you wouldn't be able to distribute the song with your fpsc game anyway... and if you really, really want to get into the legal aspect of it, maybe you should ask Rick Astley how he feels about people making a game with his likeness in it... And how he feels about people having the ability to kill him in said game...

Sorry Bond, I realise you were just doing something fun for the community I'll post here and let you all know what decision was made regarding it...

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Posted: 10th Dec 2008 09:47
If you want to link to a Rick Astley model without the music file then that's ok to put on here but not with the music file...

It's up to you though Bond, if you don't want to do that let me know and I'll lock this thread for good...

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Quote: "I personally don't see it as a problem...I thought it was all in good fun, and the fact that the song is all over the internet anyway meant I didn't give it a second thought... "


I appreciate that sentiment. It's a shame, and I don't think it's necessarily a good thing to teach younger people to see things like this in such black and white terms.

I included an edited, MONO, and very low quality version of the song so it would sync perfectly to the animations. Nothing anyone would even consider burning to a CD or putting on an Ipod.

My feeling is, the song is 20 years old. All but forgotten until this "rickrolling" thing came along. And I'm sure the song has gotten more than a few downloads off Itunes because of it - where it probably had gotten few if any before...

Mods can lock the thread. I'm going to change him into a generic gangster character and put him on the store for probably a buck or so.

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Posted: 10th Dec 2008 16:53
I think it's a shame this thread was killed by people being too serious for their own good. Christ people, it was a bit of fun. He didn't have to do it. He's only doing what hundreds of other people have done, put it freely on the internet.

Bond1, I think you should email the record company and see what they say. Just to put these fun spoilers to rest.

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Posted: 10th Dec 2008 19:15
Don't worry about this Bond1, it was a fantastic idea.
I'm sure brought many laughs to the community, including myself!
So thank you for the time you did spend on it
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Posted: 10th Dec 2008 21:14 Edited at: 10th Dec 2008 21:19
Quote: "My feeling is, the song is 20 years old. All but forgotten until this "rickrolling" thing came along. And I'm sure the song has gotten more than a few downloads off Itunes because of it - where it probably had gotten few if any before...
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Yes I am sure the song is more popular now than it ever has been.
The same would go for Rick's fame level. (he has to be getting alot of attention now with the rickrolling)


Quote: "I'm going to change him into a generic gangster character and put him on the store for probably a buck or so."

Great news Bond.

Quote: "Bond1, I think you should email the record company and see what they say. Just to put these fun spoilers to rest."

If I ever mention a copyright or its possible infringement Bond, then I am not being a spoiler.
We love your work and are only trying to help keep you out of any trouble.
I would like to know who has the rights to this song now myself. (I would love to own it)
They would probably want a small fortune for it on an exclusive offer, now with the rickrolling attention its getting.

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Posted: 10th Dec 2008 21:17
Great work bond shame the link got removed, hope you upload again with out the music.

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Posted: 10th Dec 2008 21:30 Edited at: 10th Dec 2008 22:37
I found this at wiki...
Quote: "
Rickrolling
Main article: Rickrolling
"Never Gonna Give You Up" is the subject of a popular Internet prank known as "rickrolling" involving misleading links redirecting to the song's music video. By May 2007, the practice had achieved notoriety on the Internet, and it increased in popularity after its use as a 2008 April Fool's Day joke by various media companies and websites, including YouTube rickrolling all of its featured videos on that day and a website allowing people to Rickroll their friends' phones.

In 'a couple of weeks', about 13 million people had been 'rickrolled' into watching Astley's video, the BBC reported on 1 April 2008. "I think it's just one of those odd things where something gets picked up and people run with it," Astley told the Los Angeles Times in late March 2008, adding: "That's what's brilliant about the Internet."

Rick Astley also appeared in the 2008 Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade interrupting the Cartoon Network song by Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends, rickrolling America. More than 13 million people have watched the video for Rick Astley's Eighties classic Never Gonna Give You Up over the past fortnight thanks to Rickrolling.
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What did Rick say?
"I think it's just one of those odd things where something gets picked up and people run with it," Astley told the Los Angeles Times in late March 2008, adding: "That's what's brilliant about the Internet."

So, he doesn't seem to mind people rickrolling, but I still need to find the owners of the rights.

Quote: "

2008 Christmas Number 1 Campaign
On December 1, 2008, a campaign was started on popular Social Networking site, Facebook, to get Rick Astley To Number 1 at Christmas. The group attracted nearly 30,000 people in its first week active. The campaign has also been named "The Ultimate Rickroll". The campaign's main objective is to not only rickroll Christmas itself, but to protest the Christmas Number 1s in the past which have been dominated by such competitions as the UK's X-Factor. The campaign is actively advertised on many websites from forums to mass social networking sites such as Bebo, Myspace and Facebook as well as having its own YouTube channel. Campaigners are encouraged to get as many people as possible to download Rick Astley's 'Never Gonna Give You Up' from iTunes between the 15th and 20th of December 2008.
"

Here is a really good reason aquire those song rights before the 15th. (they will make a small fortune this x-mas off it so rickrolling is good for them)
It's also a good reason to offer the model now Bond without the song so everyone getting the song from iTunes can help make it #1.

Well #1 again I should say...

UK number one single
August 29, 1987 - September 26, 1987 (5 weeks)

Swedish number-one single
September 30, 1987 - November 11, 1987 (8 weeks)

Billboard Hot Dance Club Play number-one single
January 16, 1988 (1 week)

New Zealand RIANZ number-one single
February 5, 1988 (1 week)

Billboard Hot 100 number one single
March 12, 1988 – March 19, 1988 (2 weeks)

You know he beat out artists and bands like...
Michael Jackson
The Pet Shop Boys
Bruce Springsteen
SuperTramp
Tiffany and
George Michael
...to take those spots.

It's quite impressive.

The group that wrote and produced it then, Stock Aitken Waterman (SAW), probably still own the rights.
Quote: "
In 1988-89, SAW recorded three tracks with Judas Priest. These tracks were never released, and are said to be in Judas Priest's possession. "

LOL They must have never paid that bill.
Wouldn't you love to have those?

Oh my, I wonder if this is true...
Quote: "They [SAW] incurred the wrath of the British music press when they strong-armed the group M/A/R/R/S into a legal settlement over a 7-second sample of someone moaning the single word "hey" that M/A/R/R/S had taken from SAW's own recording, "Roadblock", and used in their surprise hit "Pump Up the Volume". Pete Waterman wrote an open letter to the music press calling such things "wholesale theft". The press fired back that Waterman was currently using the bassline of Colonel Abrams's "Trapped" in Rick Astley's "Never Gonna Give You Up". "

Was part of the song 'borrowed' in the first place????
Interesting.

I went and reviewed that other song and then examined them both.
That bass is identical, only a slightly slower tempo. WOW
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