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Geek Culture / For those of you who doubted an FF7-2 - and no this one's different cuz I HAVE EVIDENCE! :P

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denki
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Posted: 2nd Oct 2003 00:49 Edited at: 2nd Oct 2003 00:50
Sorry 56kbers









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Posted: 2nd Oct 2003 01:01
I think that FFVII is very much a role playing game. You play the role of a character who is wrapped in a very involved story-line. Yes, it is very linear in many ways, but that doesn't necessarily make it bad. A lot of people prefer to have a lot of freedom when they game, but they aren't the only type of players, and they certainly aren't the only type of computer role players.

I can understand that FFVII isn't a game tht everyone can enjoy, but it is a well crafted game. Games are defined, primarily, by their limitations. Given absolute freedom something ceases to be a game.

Let me explain, Morrowind gives you thousands of choices for everything, but it is still defined by its limitations. For example, in Morrowind, you can't kill the hardest creatures in the game the moment you get off the boat. You might WANT to do that, but you can't, first you have to level up, aquire more powerful equipment, and track the beasties down. These are all limitations. The limitations placed on FFVII are just more severe, you can only have certain characters in your party, and there are less paths to choose from.

Chess is one of the most limiting games I know. It has been around for ages, and is still enjoyed by people all over the world. Your pieces are severely limited in their movements, and that's what makes it a game, that's what makes it strategic.

So in that sense, FFVII is a game in which you play the role of a fantasy character. Hard to say that it isn't a Role Playing Game, then.
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Posted: 2nd Oct 2003 01:29 Edited at: 2nd Oct 2003 01:33
Hmm....

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DivW
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I've played Every Final Fantasy Game from The originals to the bonuses like Legends. And suffice to say, in my opinion, they were all crap-EXCEPT 7. In my opinion 7 was one of the greatest RPG's Ever Made. And Let's Remember what RPG stands for: Role Playing Game. Emphasis on Role Play. so this "Playable Movie" stuff is total bull. You play a character and follow a script. Like just about every other game out there.Final Fantasy 7 was the first FF game I played, so i tracked down the rest. Nothing matched up to it. (BTW, if u liked FF7, My advice to you is get a Chrono Trigger ROM...another squaresoft game that has the same level of playability as 7 did.) Well, now i'm finished sticking up for what i believe in, i'm off for a cup of tea. Anyone fancy a cuppa?

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Ian T
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Posted: 2nd Oct 2003 01:42
'So in that sense, FFVII is a game in which you play the role of a fantasy character. Hard to say that it isn't a Role Playing Game, then.'

In every single kind of game there is, you play a role. But phrases aren't defined by the literal meaning of their seperate words.

'Chess is one of the most limiting games I know.'

Two sides can win, any amount of lossess can be taken, virtually infinite games can be had. Final Fantasy is always the same-- same group wins, no variations, the same characters die, etc.

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Benjamin
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Posted: 2nd Oct 2003 01:58
This might help...
Difference between adventure and RPG: One is real time, one isnt. I heard somewhere that the main part of an RPG is the story and something...Ahh i dont know

Benjamin
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Posted: 2nd Oct 2003 02:00
Nooo, the download of the FF7 trailer(2 min) is remotely queued

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Posted: 2nd Oct 2003 02:11
Quote: "Two sides can win, any amount of lossess can be taken, virtually infinite games can be had. Final Fantasy is always the same-- same group wins, no variations, the same characters die, etc."


Ah, but in Final Fantasy, each battle has its own outcome, and in each battle either side could potentially win. You choose your equipment and party based on strategies to defeat the computer. Yes, the story stays the same every time you play, but the story in chess stays the same as well, it is the moves that change. The basic story in chess is "White vs. Black" (or one side vs. the other), and that never changes, either.

Even the experience of reading a BOOK isn't always the same, as each time you read it you will be in a slightly different mind-set than the last time. Each time you read the book you will come away knowing more than you did the time before. I hardly think that you can justify the statement "Final Fantasy is always the same" when even if you were to record every action you performed the first time you played and then feed that back into the playstation for a second run, you would get different battles, items, etc.

The truth is that the freedom in Final Fantasy simply isn't a brand of freedom you enjoy. That doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
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Posted: 2nd Oct 2003 02:50
Mouse, I could tell you what I've read about the multiple endings in FF7, but you really wouldn't listen, and you'd call me a "fanboy" and tell me that I just can't get over the game or some BS like that.

By the way, there are multiple ways to do tons of sidequests - even in Midgar, everything you say affects further gameplay. I.e., will you decide to go after Aeris or Tifa? Doesn't seem like much, but that's one of the many things. Also, what you say when you're trying to get out of sector 7(i believe it's sector 7), what you say can affect how the don reacts in different ways.

BTW those screenshots look friggin' awesome!

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Ian T
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Posted: 2nd Oct 2003 03:28
'Mouse, I could tell you what I've read about the multiple endings in FF7, but you really wouldn't listen, and you'd call me a "fanboy" and tell me that I just can't get over the game or some BS like that.'

Have any of my previous arguments been based on personal insults?

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Posted: 2nd Oct 2003 03:30 Edited at: 2nd Oct 2003 03:30
maybe it was arrow that said it before then, when i was talking about the multiple endings.

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What do you search for to get the 2 min trailer?

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Posted: 2nd Oct 2003 06:17
Quote: "And suffice to say, in my opinion, they were all crap-EXCEPT 7"
Blasphemy, how can you call FFVI (FF3 outside of Japan) crap, it's even better than 7, I think even Mouse would agree that 6 is one impressive game.


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Posted: 2nd Oct 2003 06:59
Ummm... no. And I truly do have a right to say that. A 'friend' of mine worshipped it and basically made me sit through watching him play it from beginning to end.

It might have been a decent game if the plot hadn't been anime-ized... the anime art style generally seems to go with a very childish delivery of everything. And by that, I mean; overacted, overemphisized, over-the-top... it's like there's no such thing as subtly, or vague foreshadowing, in the world of anime. Tch tch.

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Posted: 2nd Oct 2003 07:03
It's all opinion. There is no right or wrong. You don't like FF7? Cool with me...I don't like FF9, but that doesn't mean it was a bad game.

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denki
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Posted: 2nd Oct 2003 10:28
Yeah... lets just leave it... The movie still looks amazingly awesome!

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Benjamin
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Posted: 2nd Oct 2003 20:20
Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children Trailer

Search for that. 40MB roughly

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Posted: 3rd Oct 2003 00:38
Well i'll admit that 5 was relative and 6 was good. But they were tripe compared to 7 in my opinion, sorry arrow. -DivW

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Benjamin
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Posted: 3rd Oct 2003 03:46
I think 7 was the best. Mind you, i didnt play 10 or 6.

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i played ff 8 didnt quite grab me the same as ff7. i had ff 10 but somehow i got it free when it came out, just sold it the same day to someone else.

btw final fantasy 7 for the pc is quite rare, buy it now if you can

i was lucky i have 2 copies. i have one stored away and 1 i use on the rare occasion

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Posted: 4th Oct 2003 01:23
i didn't play 8, but i watched my friend play it all the time and personally it seemed pretty good. 7 is still my favorite, i played 9 and frankly i thought the story sucked. Zidane's struggle seemed so...miniscule in comparison to squall's and cloud's. also, the whole story of garnet seemed unoriginal.

JUST my opinion though

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Benjamin
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Posted: 4th Oct 2003 20:47
Ive played 7 on the pc. I think the highwind theme is either faster or slower (i cant remember)

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Ya i got mine for the PC by mistake When I was buying a PS1, I was like "Man I gotta get FF7" so I got it off ebay, but didnt read that it was for the PC. I guess its a blessing in disguise

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Posted: 5th Oct 2003 00:25
Downloaded the video and all you people with dialups aren't really missing anything. It's basically some character animations and the quality isn't any better than the prerendered movies in the Final Fantasy games.

For me, I never finished FF7, the characters just never appealed to me (don't know why). I absolutely loved FF8. I just started playing FF9 again (never finished it) and I think HZence is right, it just doesn't seem "epic" enough. I started playing FFX but found it to be a complete waste of time. I really hope they develop better characterization in future titles because I'm a little tired of playing the "I don't need help or friends" socially inept loner characters.

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Posted: 5th Oct 2003 00:37
"I never finished FF7, the characters just never appealed to me (don't know why). I absolutely loved FF8."

Thats backwards to most people i know, personally I think the 7 characters are great!

"I'm a little tired of playing the "I don't need help or friends" socially inept loner characters."

Dont know how much of 7 you played but cloud is only like that at the very very start... unlike Squall, who remains that annoying way until nearer the end...

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Posted: 5th Oct 2003 00:41
Quote: "Looks fake to me. Unless Japanese advertizing is always that bad"


yup all japanese advertising is usually an attempt to advert in the smallest space possible, hense crowded but also more eye catching than everyone else, hense gaurdy.
don't knock it, it certainly does the trick

as for it being real, it was developed by Square Films ... majoritively the same crew that made 'The Spirit Within' - but this time they worked closer with the japanese team and based it primarily on FF7

its not FF7-2 like FFX-2 its a film based on FF7, would be good to make sure thats perfectly clear else people will expect the exact same storyline

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Yeah, a sequal film set two years after the evens of 7, with a different storyline, and I'd be suprised to see most of the old cast show up...

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Posted: 5th Oct 2003 01:54
Hey hey. I always thought FF7 would make a good movie, now to see how well they can screw it up...

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Posted: 5th Oct 2003 02:26
I was just wondering sephiroth died at the end of FF7 as far as i can remember so who is that in the trailer?

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Posted: 5th Oct 2003 05:48
Maybe a clone or something, his (her) hair was short in the movie, it might not even be Sepheroth.


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Benjamin
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Posted: 6th Oct 2003 09:11
Quote: "would be good to make sure thats perfectly clear else people will expect the exact same storyline"


christ, i said in my first post:

Quote: "(Even though it's going to be a movie, not a game)"


And I didn't edit my first post at all...people just really don't read lol...

and that's not to say that YOU didn't raven, it's saying others didn't.

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Benjamin
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Posted: 6th Oct 2003 16:07
I just wanted to say something. If Square calls final fantasy an RPG then it IS an RPG. Honestly mouse, u think you know more than them?

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Posted: 7th Oct 2003 21:08
if anyone wants this thats dial up i reencoded it with out the sound casue sounds sucked ass anyway. and it is 8 mb so if you want it leave a message
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Posted: 8th Oct 2003 17:32
good thinking batman but is it the 2 min trailer?

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