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Geek Culture / [LOCKED] What do game characters do after development is over?

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GothOtaku
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Location: Amherst, MA, USA
Posted: 15th Dec 2004 10:58 Edited at: 15th Dec 2004 11:04
Firstly, attacking Raven is wrong especially from a moderator (this means you Mouse!) I mean you're the one who's supposed to stop stuff like this from happening. However, yes, Raven doesn't know jack sh!t about most of the stuff he's talking about, he never shows any proof of any of the wild claims he's made, and will never, ever admit he's wrong even when given concrete proof to the contrary.

I don't hate the guy or anything. Yes, I'm usually annoyed that he makes these claims, offers no proof, and when proven wrong will refuse to recant their story. But unless he does something trully wrong then why should I hate him?

I also think this thread has run its course and all the Raven-bashing posts should be removed and let it continue being about what it was originally, the game music videos.

Just my opinion...
Jeku
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Posted: 15th Dec 2004 11:47
Quote: "The first and most important is that Raven doesn't just announce them; he pimps the damn things. He puts links to them in his signiture, mentions them in half the threads he makes, and with Deliverance specifically he said that come hell or high water he'd make the winter 2004 date and further backed this up by attacking every naysayer and skeptic."


This is very common in the hobby industry. I've seen professional games being pimped for years only to be canned (MS' Mythica, for one). I just don't see how anyone can be angry about another person not releasing an independent game. It's not Half-Life 2 with 500,000 paid preorders. I would much rather see more interesting potentially good games being canned than more crap games being released. My only one peeve is that Raven never shows screenies--- but then again, he doesn't have to. I guess if there was a rule saying we must show x number of screenies and y number of video clips to have a proper WIP, many of us would be be in trouble


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Manticore Night
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Posted: 15th Dec 2004 11:49
Quote: "Yeah..its...Eric Manticore."
No, it's François!

Quote: "If one more person uses that stupid "jump off a cliff" analogy... I'll peel the skin of my eyeballs off."
Ok, Flaming raven is like jumping off a cliff, NOW GET PEELLING!!!

It's amazing how much TV has raised us. (Bart Simpson)
Final Epsilon
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Posted: 15th Dec 2004 12:05
aww... can't we all just be friends?
Shadow Robert
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Posted: 15th Dec 2004 12:06
Quote: "If they were simply unreleased, it wouldn't be a big deal. Until Deliverance I never mention Zelda TSP or the multitude of other dumped projects he'd worked on. I've personally announced one and refered to others I've never released, and I know other people have too."


Mouse, Winter 2004 starts on December 20th 2004. That is the OFFICIAL end of Autumn/Fall 2004. Further more Winter 2004 will technically remain Winter of this year until March 16th 2005.

So I how can I have missed a season that has not already begun?

Quote: "The thing is I do know Raven, I've been watching him post since, I think, '99. And I don't think it's just my business thinking he's a liar because I honestly think other people should know what an unreliable person he is."


So what if i'm unreliable as a forum member. What the hell business of yours is it to sit there trying to wave a red flag?
If I never choose to release a project during the entire time I'm here, why the hell should it matter?

After all this is my hobby
I can hype (pimp) up my projects as much as I choose to, and in whatever fashion I choose to. It is not your right or position to tell me I can't.

I think my help around this forum is far more valuable than any project I create solo will ever be.

See what gets me, is why does it matter to you if I don't deliver a project I have hyped?
What I can see here is either, you are a ticked off fan.. or your an extremely jelious person over the attention I can build up around a project.

You want to understand why I'll just stop a project and it'll never see the light of the forum day?

It does all come down to me getting bored of it.
When I'm working for company, a game doesn't seem boring to make. Each day it'll be there with me, everyone else is doing thier part so I see it growing daily; and we talk about it daily. As such this means my interest is always looking for what to do next and keeps alive throughout the lifetime of the project.

Once it is just me, the engine, and my modeller. I don't feel that spark in order to continue with it. It's like, no one else is interested in it.. so why should I be?

This is why I usually will create something in the forum when I start a project. As normally here I'm working alone, as this is a hobby for me; my brother is more interested in playing games than developing them despite his natural talent. Friends couldn't care less, most of them just want a bevvy at the end of the day.

I create a thread, in order to create an interest in the project. The project ends up worked on, basically until a week after interest in the forum dies. When interest dies, generally speaking so does mine; to me when I am actually alone on a project my will to actually continue development tends to just fade.
As such I end up playing something new and get a new idea for a game, then try to make that.

If I get bored during a project chances are it isn't going to get finished, and I don't like releasing something that isn't finished.
Personally while I won't say it out-loud, buggy software released on the forums is one of my true pet hates.

But while this does peeve me off, fact is. Those people who have worked hard on thier stuff don't want to hear some jackass sit there and piss all over thier work.

Saying you've seen my posts since '99 saying that I've been unreliable since then. Well that really isn't true is it?
Mainly because, I didn't actually start programming with DarkBASIC until WebDext started teaching me how in Late 2001.

Basically I didn't actually start becoming much of an active forum member until that whole Simple inccident.

So to say you've been seeing my failed projects since '99, well it's just a bald faced lie. I worked with other people until I was taught to program. We were making bomberman for one of the competitions but the particle system slowed everything to 0fps heh, which I found amusing as he was trying to teach me how awesome arrays were but when we did array the particles it killed the speed.

I have alot of cool memories from the original forums, and I prefered them because.. I never really programmed, I was part of other peoples work. Didn't have to prove anything to anyone, because I was only talking to a limited number of people, not really active in the forums.

When they all left... either for Blitz3D, or because DBP came out. That's really when I lost my place in the forum. Especially after Simple and GuyS basically outted me as a resident Modelling expert, because of thier own personal issues with me.

I had nothing left as far as my hobby was conserned. The one area I DID have expertise in, GuyS and Simple had destroyed. I have had to learn an entirely new area to understand, I've had to branch out where I am.

For a while, when this forum was young. It worked. I'd learnt more about DarkBASIC and Programming. I was becomming a very helpful member of the community, I'd like to think I still am.

But then what happened... the RGT members started comming here, in droves. They started to once again destory literally every aspect of 'expertise' I had here.

You know why the hell I truely hate alot of the RGTer and why I stand firmly behind why I believe they destroyed this forum?
Because within a week, they'd destroyed everything that was good about this forum from my point of view.
They couldn't keep thier petty issues and problems, leave them in thier own damn forum.

And now? .. now I am challenged with every damn post I make.
Just look above at what this post was originally about, and what has been made.

As I said long ago on RGT, I don't start these problems.. I just see it as my right to defend myself. I will not back down, no matter what.

Every damn person who has been here long enough knows this fact through-and-through. So you said on RGT, every flamewar was because of me... it was never that fact at all. You just know full damn well, that I'm a petrol can that you can throw a match in just to see it burn.

I mean you sit there with your so-called morals, because you dislike how I conduct myself. This is all nothing but a mirror though, if you persist in being a jackass you'll get the response of kind. I'd suggest if I bother you that much, you just don't talk to me.. I'm not forcing you to, and neither is anyone else.

I'm not here for peoples amusement or entertainment, so leave me alone.


Shadow Robert
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Posted: 15th Dec 2004 12:08
Quote: "aww... can't we all just be friends?"


:: hugs :: i don't care which Epsilon you are


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Posted: 15th Dec 2004 15:01
Don't tell me you didn't see this one coming.




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