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Geek Culture / XBOX 360 specs and Xbox Live specs leaked---- you will be amazed

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Raven
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Posted: 15th May 2005 07:38
Quote: "Well whatever, however you used the phrase "not exactly hard to do". You are obviously ignorant to the process involved in programming that if you think its easy. Need to choose better words next time. And why all the extra information?"


Uh, huh. I see.. You don't think one of your points might actually be related to the other?

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Excuse me..?
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Posted: 15th May 2005 07:41
@billy - That comment really was not necessary at all. Let's not get into personal attacks or I'll have to whip out the slapper


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billy the kid
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Posted: 15th May 2005 07:46
The parent comment was a joke. I guess I should have put j/k with the

The other comment, I guess could be taken as a personal attack, but not really.

Sorry.
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Posted: 15th May 2005 09:01
A Super Computer has a Power Index of 10 Terraflops. The xbox Has A power Index of 1 terraflop..... SWEET! and 3x 3.2Ghx Processors. Thats 9.6GHz. Goodbye Sony!
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Posted: 15th May 2005 10:09
IF sony does do "the cell" in the PS3, then I shall expect the PS3 to have the win on the processing power. But seeing as we know close to nothing about the PS3, I won't predict anything else...

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Posted: 15th May 2005 15:13
Well, from what they did with the PSP and all I think it would be safe to say that it will destroy any and all compition in its path, even though nintendo could not posibly hope to catch up to either microcrap or sony at any point in time.

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Posted: 15th May 2005 19:31
Quote: "A Super Computer has a Power Index of 10 Terraflops. The xbox Has A power Index of 1 terraflop..... SWEET! and 3x 3.2Ghx Processors. Thats 9.6GHz. Goodbye Sony! "


No a 3Core 3.2GHz Processor != 9.6GHz
All it means is it can process triple the data throughput.

So your looking at an increase of possible operations rather than possible processing speed.

Just means it can calculate 6 Operations Every Second, instead of the usual 1.
Desktop Intel Processors calculate 4 Operations Per Second, and AMD Processors calculate 7 Operations Per Second.

Those are with single Cores. So the only difference your looking at is the throughput, particularly given that, standard Intel/AMD Processors are only Single Thread Processing.. while Intel HT do allowed for Dual Threading to take place, this only enhances things by allowing threads to take up more of the processing power.

The 3Core allows you to have 3 Threads at once.

Further-more, 3.2GHz sounds impressive enough; but remember
Intel Pentium 4 2.52GHz HT = AMD AthlonXP 1.8GHz (2600+)

Actualy GHz processing power doesn't actually equate to the physical processing power.. Namely because the Core is restricted to using the same resources as the other Core's in the processor, this means that you drop speed unlike a Triple Processor Solution.

The difference if we use AMD Processors would be:

AMD AthlonXP 2.2 GHz (3000+)
AMD AthlonXP 2.2 GHz Dual Core (4200+)
AMD AthlonXP 2.2 GHz Dual Processors (4600+)

I use that because the figures are correct as of AMD.com
While this can almost half compression time, and double FPS; the actual processing capacity isn't double what the processor is originally capable of.
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Posted: 16th May 2005 05:30
I might have dreamt this, but isn't the PS3 reported to have 9 cells in its CPU that run synchronously? Apparently it's giving game developers nasty nightmares And their CPU is as large as a thumbtack.

I think the whole Xbox Vs. PS3 Vs. Nintendo is kind of dumb as we should all know from the past that each of the companies had great exclusive games in their own right. Why not save up and get all 3?


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Posted: 16th May 2005 07:59
Quote: "Why not save up and get all 3? "

Because not everyone has that sort of money


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Posted: 16th May 2005 08:25
That's why I said "save up" hehe.


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Quote: " That's why I said "save up" hehe."

I know you said that. I'm just saying it would take some people freaking years, and by that time there will be something new.


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Quote: "I think the whole Xbox Vs. PS3 Vs. Nintendo is kind of dumb as we should all know from the past that each of the companies had great exclusive games in their own right. Why not save up and get all 3?"


Heck yeah, that's my plan. Then I get a bonus with PS3, I never bought PS 1 or 2, so now I get all of them in one...until PS4 that is.

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Posted: 16th May 2005 20:59
But at that point there will be no 'console' involved, it will be as big a a quarter and it will be twenty times faster than the fastest computer today, and there will be no 'cd's' only an 99999999GB/s internet connection, where it runs like steam, you can buy games on it and it downloads them right to your 400TB HD...well I wish...hey what comes after terabyte?

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Posted: 16th May 2005 23:08 Edited at: 17th May 2005 01:12
the 128Bit Velocity cores are the same used in the apple g5 range of computers. oh and the velocity core could only manage a couple of gigaflops.

Do you honestly think your going to see a console with that amount of power? i think not. look at the problems apple had designing the g5 with 2 seperate processors running at 1Ghz each. they had to stick the damn thing in a case mode of aluminium to help with the heat and spend a vast amount of cash on cooling zones. the numbers that are being touted around for the specification of this machine are blown out of all proportions. if they wanted the fastest chips, they are barking up the WRONG TREE. NEC corp JAPAN make the fastest cores on earth. NEC VX processors anyone? ever heard of the earth simultor. TERRAFLOPS. your living in dreamland!! to gain 10 Tflops you would require 1000 APPLE G5 TWIN CPU COMPUTERS running at 1Ghz per core. the price? the earth!.

yes apple did tout the Gflop for the velocity core. saying forget Ghz were talking gigaflops. a whopping great 1 gigaflop for 2 seperate processors using velocity cores. psudo 256bit computing.

the specs have been manafactured to generate interest in the machine which has to compete against the ultimate games machine. yup the one your sitting in front of now. your PC.

grant.

ps. don't believe the hype. are you trying to tell me that the x360 is going to be that good when M$ can't even finish DX9. the xbox 1 was also blown out of all proportion before it's release. and even at it's release, it was technically crap and very unimpressive.

BTW. the slowest SUPERCOMPUTER at the moment has a 245Gf throughput and that will set you back millions. you gotta laugh at the BS that's being shouted out here. the ES can manage a whopping 35600Gflops = 35Tflops. or 35trillion floating point ops per second.
and it contains 5014 VX cpu's running in parrallel. and the Xbox360 can acheive 10Tflops. (GET A GRIP PEOPLE)

sorry, the ES has 5104 cpu's. and you'd actually need 10,000 apple g5 twin cpu computers at 1Ghz per core to get 10Tflops of distributed processing power. my bag. now you can see why all these specs and figures that are flying around are sh!te.
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Posted: 16th May 2005 23:50
here is a snippit from new scientist.

read it and weep.

A Japanese supercomputer has recorded the fastest "floating point" calculation speed of any computer on the planet. The feat is reported in the latest edition of the Linpack report, a ranking of supercomputer performance.

The Earth Simulator at the Marine Science and Technology Center in Kanagawa, notched up 35.61 teraflops - that is over 35 trillion "floating point" calculations per second.

The speed is five times faster than that recorded by the previous record holder, IBM's ASCI White at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California. This computer achieved a benchmark of 7.23 teraflops.

A spokesman for NEC told New Scientist that the Earth Simulator was tested using the Linpack benchmarking software. This provides a standard measure of the machine's ability to perform computationally intensive mathematical calculations.

Apples and oranges
But Hamid Arabnia, editor in chief of the Journal of Supercomputing, says the Earth Simulator could be built to perform certain tasks very well but not others.

"These guys should very much be encouraged. It's a very big achievement, but I don't think it is a breakthrough," Arabnia told New Scientist.

"One should not say that, because these guys are doing well in this particular benchmark, therefore their system is far better," he says. "At this technology level it is really like comparing apples with oranges."

2900 km of cable
The Earth simulator is used to simulate climate change using data collected by Earth-monitoring satellites. The NEC spokesman said the Earth Simulator's performance was achieved due to the use of very specialised processors.

The computer contains a total of 5104 processors in 640 separate "nodes", each containing eight NEC Vector processors. The complete machine spans the area of three tennis courts and has 2900 kilometres of cable, including 83,000 copper wires.

Jack Dongarra, who authored of the Linpack report and works at the University of Tennessee, says the Earth Simulator's achieves "high-speed numerical simulations with a processing speed 1000 times higher than that of the most frequently used supercomputers in 1996."
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Posted: 17th May 2005 01:00
Quote: "and it contains 5014 VX cpu's running in parrallel. and the Xbox360 can acheive 10Tflops. (GET A GRIP PEOPLE)"


Um no, the Xbox360 never said it could achieve 10Tflops... It said it could achieve one. GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT!

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Posted: 17th May 2005 01:13 Edited at: 17th May 2005 01:35
even so you'd need 1000 apple g5's to get close to that!!

a speed of 1Tf is still totally unrealistic. when compared to a supercomputer that can achieve only 245Gf. and it still cost millions!!


so what your saying is basically. oakridge national labroatory can ditch their 10Tf supercomputer and use 10 360's in it's place. or the newly commisiond CRAY machine for the same organisation at a cost of 125 million USD which will top 100Tflops could be replaced by 100 360's.

LOL.
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Posted: 17th May 2005 01:41
BTW, CRAY are expecting speeds of 1Pf by the end of the decade, that's the speed of 1000 360's (10X faster than RED STORM which uses thousands of opteron processors running in parallel.)

1Pflop is 1 petaFLOP or 1000 trillion flops.

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