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OSX Using Happy Dude
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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 01:55 Edited at: 29th Aug 2005 01:57
Yes, it can be a real pain when Windows wants to timeout waiting for a network - it also happens when using the internet too (not responding and 'multi-tasking' is gone).

Multi-tasking (if you can call it that) also goes with heavy I/O access (and nearly over a network).

I would certainly go OS X-wards if a) it had DarkSDK b) more games and c) was cheaper.

Anyone know if Longhorn (sorry, Vista) improves multi-tasking and I/O error protection ?

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 01:58
yeah, I agree, that would be my switch, well a mac mini is only over £300 and well they are getting cheaper, check out apples website, also they're releasing a version of their OS that should be able to install on a Windows system

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 01:59
They finally decided to do that (or are you talking about the hack)?

Would be good if they do, especially if there is no need to partition the hard drive.

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 02:10
Ive never have problems with my windows really, some random crashs here and there but they're probaly my fault. Though Ive never used a mac so I dont know what I would like more to expensive to find out. What if I dont like it that would be a waste money.

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 02:52
Wow im gone an hour and a million messages come!

Quote: "Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-linux. Linux is great! But I think the reason that linux is slow and unstable on my computer is because my chipset is nForce 2, as opposed to the far more commonly used VIA chipset."

Hm : sure the problem is the chipset? I have a nForce3 board with practically the same drivers and it works fine.


Quote: "Quite simply, if you think Windows sucks, why use it? We had a guy on IRC today - I'll only mention his name because it quite contradicts his point, XpProUser- who was saying he hates Windows and it sucked and he uses linux mostly, yet he was using Windows to actually chat to us. He also said the only reason he uses Windows was for DBP. Now, that may well be true, but why would you go out and buy a complete operating system, just to use one development program - and why would you develop on an operating system that you think sucks anyway?"

Ah yeah, the famous linux user named XpProUser . Yesterday wasnt he talking about how windows was so much better then linux? Im still trying to get back on irc : for some reason connecting to all my irc servers are fine except devhat. (so no its not linux's fault ).

Yeah, windows vs linux vs mac is always a popular debate : each has their own place. Same for fedora vs mandrake vs gentoo vs etc. Like me, I like being able to run a command and update the 1000+ packages i have installed on my computer. Something I never could do on windows. Its all a matter of prefrence really.

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 04:13
Eh? Talking about me?

Twisting my words Buggers!

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 04:52
I had Windows XP Pro crash for no reason for the VERY FIRST TIME EVER the other day, it happened twice, still dont know what caused it, i actually think it's my mobo not windows...but still, the only time windows has EVER crashed (besides those 2 times the other day) was from my own software again, not windows fault.

I think XP is a better OS than people give it credit for...I, by no means, am a MS fan, but I'm not anti just because they have more money than I have.

@fallout, dont blame windows because you dont know how to configure your network, of course if you're an idiot your computer wont work properly, maybe you should try using a static local IP? it's probably a better idea for that kind of configuration, and i'm willing to bet that any linux distro/Mac will do the same thing...if you're a moron and dont know how to set up your network.

I have tried multiple distros (linux vs windows seem to be the topic in the general forms lately...) and I found that WINDOWS is MUCH better than anything i've ever used, and i hated Linux. But I just installed Xandros yesterday (that's what i'm on right now) and i just LOVE it. It has about the same feel as Windows does, and it makes it easy to do everything! here are a few things i noticed about linux vs windows:

Windows Con:
it has a whole bunch of utter crap running, even if you're not using it. SLOWs your computer.
Linux Pro:
It doesnt have any of the crap running in the background, I've even noticed that the letters appear faster on screen in linux than they do in windows, because the processor gets right to it, none of that crap being wasted on.

Windows Pro:
It's ready for you to use anything, you want to get on the internet, *CLICK* and it's ready to go, because it has everything loaded for you already.
Linux Con:
You want to get on the internet do you? ok, just sit back and wait for EVERYTHING you want to use to LOAD, because it wasnt expecting you to use that.

I could go on, but you guys probably dont care that much...
but Windows has it's purposes, and Linux has it's, they're both REALLY good OS's, and they both can improve (linux definantly needs to become more userfriendly, that's prolly why i love xandros )

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 05:21 Edited at: 29th Aug 2005 05:28
No matter how much I hate saying this, the fact really is, if it wasn't for microsoft, you'd properly not even have a DBPro.

So even if you are going mental over windows, just remember that fact!

So you gotta give microsoft that kinda creditability(For Making DirectX )

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 06:06
Quote: "I've been playing Brother in Arms. Its an okay game. However, halfway though, the laptop starts to shutdown for no good reason. No BSOD, no Event message - just a total shutdown. Bad progamming me thinks.."

Hope it's not a Toshiba, or even worse A70-A75, if it is, You going to get a lot of that.

Toshiba,3.2Ghz,ATI Radeon 9000 IGP 128mb,1.2gig of Ram,Windows XP Home. www.aoneweb.com

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 06:09
Microsoft did a lot more than DirectX
Microsoft are pioneers in the OS industry, they did things no one else have...with Windows 95, the plug-and-play feature that didnt work, heck W95 hardly worked, BUT we still use the basic idea behind it (maybe MacOS did that first? i have no idea), and they TRIED things. C#/VB/etc are amazing Compilers! Visual Studio is WITHOUT A DOUBT the BEST ide EVER made. Clean and Simple, but can do almost anything. Direct3d is one of the two best graphics engines, probably the most powerful too.

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 09:24 Edited at: 29th Aug 2005 09:31
Even Bill Gates get crashes... during press conferences to show off the newest version of Windows.

Windows 98
http://www.cnn.com/TECH/computing/9804/20/gates.comdex/

Windows XP
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=58989

I only went to Windows when I found out that all new games could only be played through Windows (so I bought Win95). I hated it but slowly learned to love Windows... even though Bill Gates stole all the ideas from Xerox.

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 10:27
You cant "steal" ideas.

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 11:14
you can steal ideas, someone stole one of mine, and I chased the theiving git for it but couldn't catch him, so I called the police to tell em some geek with square glasses stole me idea, so they tracked him down and got my idea back, that was lucky, cost me a fortune......


As for the Mac Linux and Windows arguments well, I find its best to stick with the system that works best for you, I hate windows because I find it useless compared to mac, but Windows has all the stuff I need, and yet Mac only can handle my 3D modelling App and has Garageband, if they made DarkSDK or Dark Basic mac compatible, I'd make the switch and sell my PC games and replace them with Playstation versions, and get the Mac Neverwinter nights.

So no point arguing whats best, as best is an opinion its like argue who's better looking Sara michelle Gella, Britney Spears or Christina Agulera(Spelling) of course I wouldn't say any of them were the best looking, but out of the lot I prefer Christina

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 11:15 Edited at: 29th Aug 2005 11:19
@Joel

I'm not really sure why you're always so instantly hostile to people, but there we go. I suppose you're just very fond of your own personal opinion and find it difficult to accept that other people think differently.

I don't think I should have to justify my choice of network configuration because it's a very simple and common one. Windows XP provides support for it using the network setup Wizard (that's how simple and common it is), which I have used, following the instruction to the letter and it works fine ... until you switch off the proxy. That should bring down the network, but not another PC on the network also. It's an XP problem no matter which way you look at it, as other OSs would happily continue working, just without network connectivity. You can't argue the OS is decent by saying use static IP addressing. That's accepting that a major function of the OS (the networking wizard) isn't working.

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 11:28 Edited at: 29th Aug 2005 11:29
Quote: "Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-linux. Linux is great! But I think the reason that linux is slow and unstable on my computer is because my chipset is nForce 2, as opposed to the far more commonly used VIA chipset."


I doubt that. My motherboard has a nForce 2 chipset (A7N8X Deluxe) and it's been rock solid. I don't have to install any drivers for it, ever. In fact, the only drivers I install are the NVIDIA graphics drivers.

As for which is the best OS, you can argue all day and probably all night as well. At the end of the day I can't speak for other people, but for me, I dual boot Linux and Windows XP because:

Linux - 1) It's different, 2) It's fun to tweak, 3) I don't find it difficult to learn Linux, 4) It's free.

Windows XP - 1) Games, 2) Select programs with no good Linux compatible alternatives.

Linux has crashed less than Windows, in the last 18 months I've been using Linux, though it was still only 2 or 3 times. Barely anything.

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 12:24
Quote: "@dark coder - Proxy's are a very popular LAN config that XP supports by giving you the option to choose "This computer connects to the internet through another computer on the network" on the network setup wizard"


Proxying is fine, but your not doing a single proxy.. so you have to setup a Virtual Private Network (VPN) Connection.

See if it was just

Your Computer -> Server -> Modem
You'd be sorted, but it's not. Routers may have modems but they in themselves act as a proxy system, so it's like.

Your Computer -> Local Server -> Router -> Modem

That one extra step makes all the difference because you have to cross over a second network in order to reach the internet. As such Windows by default can't find that. It's like saying 'I left my keys in the next room' only you actually mean one room over, so Windows is searching the next room trying to find something THAT AIN'T THERE!


Seriously, just buy a Wireless Router and connect directly. Save yourself the headaches.

Further more you think that is bad... I can't even get my Network to be recognised under Linux. No matter what I do while it can find the DHCP for the internet alright, it can't find the rest of my network or act as a DHCP Server for my other systems.

It's not that the drivers are bad, it's not that it can't be setup to do so... I followed the instructions on the SuSE site to the letter. Nothing. I even got a friend over who believes there is nothing outside of the Linux universe, he tinkered for SIX hours. Says he can't figure out why it won't work. For all accounts it should be. Just refuses to.

On Windows usually you can get the Internet, and the Network... just not get them to communicate; that wouldn't be so bad; but this it just refuses to run the network is the internet is on and refuses to run the internet when the network is on. What gets me is they're both using 2 different sodding network cards. Unlike Windows where I can happily use the same card for both.

Quote: "Yeah, well, you shouldn't complain. It's not like it's an Apple Mac or anything.... http://www.thehoucks.com/happynowhere/Apple_Switch_Parody_DivX.avi"


As a long time Mac user, that definately tickled my funny bone. He forgot the one important aspect. Not just the Window popping up to tell you something is wrong but 'Sandi' also letting you know there has been an Er-ror. heh

While it isn't quite as bad as people make out, just like Windows isn't.. it is still a common enough problem for everyone at some point to have experienced it.

Quote: "Linux has crashed less than Windows, in the last 18 months I've been using Linux, though it was still only 2 or 3 times. Barely anything"


In the past 2years Windows XP only crashed on one system I have, which was basically dieing on me. I've run Windows XP Professional on a Pentium II machine since it was released almost non-stop (that's close to 4years now) without a single crash, BSOD, etc.

Linux on the same machine has locked a number of times, but more annoyingly is the sheer frequency that programs simply close themselves. This is what ticks me off the most really, as far as the OS itself completely crashing neither Windows or Linux do that often to me (although linux always seems to damage something else when it does.) what pisses me off more are the internal crashes of the individual programs.

Linux I can hope to run Maya for 5minutes before it just disappears. No Warning, No Auto-Save because of Failiar... just poof!

In Windows this happens quiet a bit when using the Hair feature; not entirely sure why, but atleast it saves my work before it crashes.

So let's move onto Gaim... Windows I can log on to anything just fine. It runs just fine. On Linux however it seems to want to just close every hour, like it's one some trial time limit. Again another 'poof' and gone application. Add to this only Yahoo and AIM connect. MSN refuses to... it took be bloody ages to get the right libraries to compile it to run in the first place. YaST is suppose to do this stuff for you, but it doesnt'.

On the whole as I've ALWAYS said. Linux is an Operating System for people who enjoy tinkering about... It's like a Mechanic and thier own Car, you can tell which cars are owned by mechanics as they always look like patch jobs that while sure they'll run nicely, those guys are always happy to be under the bonnet tweaking them.

Where-as the rest of the population is actually far more happy buying from Ford or such with all the fancy little features included as standard. You know the car is going to work without any problems, and if there are any you don't need to worry just give it back to the dealer and get them to fix it for you.

I have a computer to use it... not to constantly spend time under the bonnet fixing yet another damn issue.

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 12:44 Edited at: 29th Aug 2005 12:46
Quote: "I've run Windows XP Professional on a Pentium II machine since it was released almost non-stop (that's close to 4years now) without a single crash, BSOD, etc."


What did you use this machine for? Idling? Trying to beat power bill records?

Quote: "although linux always seems to damage something else when it does."


What exactly were you doing, that when it crashed, caused hardware to be ruined? I assume you mean hardware, since you've mentioned it countless times before.

Quote: "So let's move onto Gaim... Windows I can log on to anything just fine. It runs just fine. On Linux however it seems to want to just close every hour, like it's one some trial time limit. Again another 'poof' and gone application."


What version of Gaim were you using? It's possible that particular release was buggered. Like it's possible for any program.

Quote: "Add to this only Yahoo and AIM connect. MSN refuses to..."


Microsoft frequently changes the protocol, it's expected sometimes.

Quote: "it took be bloody ages to get the right libraries to compile it to run in the first place. YaST is suppose to do this stuff for you, but it doesnt'."


Yes, it's supposed to. You should not have had to compile it. I have never used SuSE, though I assume installing the development packages it just as easy as installing programs. Point - click.

I might have to try out SuSE before I install Fedora Core 4. Just to test these things you mention. On the other hand, when you find time in your hefty schedule, maybe it would be a good idea for you to try another distro. Perhaps a debian based one.

Quote: "On the whole as I've ALWAYS said. Linux is an Operating System for people who enjoy tinkering about... It's like a Mechanic and thier own Car, you can tell which cars are owned by mechanics as they always look like patch jobs that while sure they'll run nicely, those guys are always happy to be under the bonnet tweaking them."


Patched up? Assuming you stick, for the most part, to official repos, then it'll be fine. Mix that with using RPMs mean't for a different distro, even an older version as well as compiling from source and you may encounter more problems, indeed.

As far as liking to tweak the OS, then your sort of true, though I beleive that it is an overused statement.

- Rpg Cyco

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 12:59
YHBT. Oh well.
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Quote: "What did you use this machine for? Idling? Trying to beat power bill records?"


Power Bill Records? my Pentium II uses almost 1/4 the power this machine uses, and this one doesn't even have anything particularly high-end. I have an old machine that acts as a back-up, always have.

Laden the machine with large Hard Disks and just backup all my files. Also means just about everything I want is reasonably easy access. Recently though I've been using it as a Movie Buffer... where everything is rendered to and edited up. It has no CD-Rom or anything particularly fancy, just 4x 250GB HDDs. It's designed around providing space rather than daily access.

Quote: "What exactly were you doing, that when it crashed, caused hardware to be ruined? I assume you mean hardware, since you've mentioned it countless times before."


Browsing the Internet with FireFox, working in GIMP, etc. Nothing particularly out of the ordinary and the system just would go 'pop' and that was it crashed. When I boot the machine back up something new won't be working correctly. Seems to often go after Hard Disks and RAM.

Quote: "What version of Gaim were you using? It's possible that particular release was buggered. Like it's possible for any program."


Don't know, Don't Care. I installed both the Windows and Linux versions at the same time back in February (the last time i reinstalled my system) it took me a good 2 days to find which library I needed and get it compiled on Linux then when I did MSN didn't work... yet on Windows it worked fine.

Quote: "Yes, it's supposed to. You should not have had to compile it. I have never used SuSE, though I assume installing the development packages it just as easy as installing programs. Point - click."


Since bloody when?

Quote: "I might have to try out SuSE before I install Fedora Core 4. Just to test these things you mention. On the other hand, when you find time in your hefty schedule, maybe it would be a good idea for you to try another distro. Perhaps a debian based one."


I don't like using Red Hat (Fedora), the interface system pisses me off to try and do anything outside of SHell. I don't like Knoppix as I find it a pain in the arse to get things installed that aren't already part of the system, and again doing anything outside of SHell is a pain. Gentoo take FOR-F***ING-EVER to install anything, don't give a flying monkies how good it is, I'm not spending the better part of 2-days just to install the damn thing again!
Never used Ubutu, but then I don't really care too.

I like SuSE becuase it runs reasonably similar to MacOSX and Windows.. none of the other I know do. Even if they do I don't care, I don't see why I should have to spend a good 2hours downloading yet ANOTHER distro just becuase the current one I have doesn't work how the others do.

That's something else that pisses me off about Linux. There's like 600-odd variations of it all between similar and completely different. Why the hell should I have to relearn everything I know about Linux each time I change which one I'm using?!

It's stupid what's more annoying is the fact that NONE I have used in the past decade seem to be very user friendly.

DOS you can eventually figure out most of the commands on your own.
Windows pretty much left to your own devices again you can figure it out on your own.
MacOSX very ridiculously easy to figure out.

I've been using Linux so damn long and everytime I want to do something I STILL have to look up in a phone directory sized manual (printed cause no sodding company provides a REAL manual). Why? Because unlike those freaks of nature who use Linux all the time, I don't have the ability to sit there and learn commands that take up half the screen and recite them on-demand.

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 13:07
i still fail to see the point in these arguments is anyone going to magically convert to the other os? or are you just going to spent minutes of your life typing to people who dont care what you have to say much like this post .

so the moral of the story is windows users rarely get a crash and hate linux, linux users make up crap excuses why windows is bad and use linux happy!


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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 13:49
Raven, that is inaccurate. There are only two networks involved - the external network/internet and my internal network. The Router is a BT USB Router (so there's no third proxy to router LAN). It interfaces with the proxy to become a gateway. When you reference the proxy server, it defaults to its only internet connection, which is via the router. It's not one of these switch routers which house a private LAN switch plus a gateway for all connections to the internet. Even if there was an intermediate step - that's the whole point of routers, networks and default gateways - they tell it which route to take.

In any case, none of this networking business should stop an XP machine from working because it's looking for an IP. The OS should set out some RARP requests, wait for it to get an IP and when it doesn't, continue as normal without network connectivity - not give up and stop the computer working!

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 14:31
I liked the crashes in 98...XP annoys me when it crashes though

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The problem is if a BSOD comes up, you have to reset your machine. I belive with Vista, they get this right and only on the really serious ones (most of the time, I blieve, pretty much all BSOD's XP should be able to continue) do you have to reset the machine, and all others you can continue.

I would also like to see Vista make sure the no crashes take out the whole machine.

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Quote: "I hate windows because I find it useless compared to mac, but Windows has all the stuff I need"

right...
Quote: "@Joel

I'm not really sure why you're always so instantly hostile to people"

I'm really not.
It DOES take time to read their posts...and I wouldn't use the work "hostile", I like to think of it as "pointing out certain flaws"
and i'm just sick of all these anti windows people, who hate windows, because they want to, and refuse to see that it's really a user problem.
In my experience, computer crashes are based off of how the USER uses, not the OS they are using. In fact, Linux (for me) has crashed more than windows XP ever has, but it was because i had no clue what i was doing

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 18:01
Quote: "Lol at Drew Cameron's post way above. Windows sucks because he crashes it, and he has another thread where Western Digital sucks because he crashes their hdd's - rofl. Lets examine the common denominator, shall we?"


The common denominator is: you suck.

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 18:22


thats cute.
see ya in a few days.

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Sorry

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 18:26 Edited at: 29th Aug 2005 18:27
great, you apologize after the n00b slap


ps-i was just busting b*lls, not attacking you.

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Actually I didn't know about the n00by filter until I'd sent the post.

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Posted: 29th Aug 2005 18:38
Quote: " I liked the crashes in 98...XP annoys me when it crashes though"


Ur not the only one, 98 crashes were better...although it crashed when removing a CD from the drive when running...well still does in XP...mac os doesn't...even on the old ones...

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@seppuku, if i try and remove my disk it says are you sure on my xp machine, i see no bsod, crashes or anything like that.


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Quote: "You cant "steal" ideas."


Sure you can. In this case Bill Gates saw the Xerox computer, went home and started designing a program that had clickable pictures via the mouse... just like the Xerox computer. The only reason why he didn't get sued by Xerox is because the big wigs of the company didn't think there was any future for home computers. Everybody who worked on it went on to form their own companies using the technology in that computer. Bill was a outside observer of the environment. If it wasn't for the work of Xerox... computers would be totally different than they are today.

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windows 95 and 98 suckorzs! but........windows xp is the most stable edition out there. Plus its a nice OS MS actually did something right....

Just be glad MS isnt valve everytime they fix a bug in CS something else breaks.

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Posted: 30th Aug 2005 07:59
I found Firefox to be quite unstable. I have a few tabs open, minimize it, and ignore Firefox for a while to do other things. When I maximize it it slows down my PC really badly until I close the friggin' ferret.

It happened on both Red Hat and XP, so I decided it was really the culprit. I only [know how to] run 3 things on Linux anyway... Firefox, terminal, and KWrite.
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Posted: 30th Aug 2005 09:58
Quote: "I found Firefox to be quite unstable. I have a few tabs open, minimize it, and ignore Firefox for a while to do other things. When I maximize it it slows down my PC really badly until I close the friggin' ferret."

Thats odd - sounds like some sort of memory problem.

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Posted: 30th Aug 2005 10:12
Well, it's understandable that any person using OS (insert name here) that has issues with said OS, will no doubt develop a negative outlook of the platform.

as such, what 3rd parties have to understand (in these futile debates) that is user A's experience of OS (insert name here) and user B's will differ. Often dramatically.


Btw, does anybody know when 'Crystal OS' will ship ?

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Posted: 30th Aug 2005 10:29
Everyone should just use my OS...lol...

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Posted: 30th Aug 2005 13:40
Why did Drew get the nub slap?


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Posted: 30th Aug 2005 14:04
Cause he said something at CR that he didn't like. To be honest CR had it comming after his comment towards Drew; I mean you can't expect to insult someone then be shocked when they don't take it in a pleasent way. :p

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Posted: 30th Aug 2005 14:11
Yeah, But CR just likes to throw his power about tbh.

Drew didnt really do anything wrong, Im sure CR wasnt insulted just by Drew saying "he sucked"?




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Posted: 30th Aug 2005 23:24
Quote: "In this case Bill Gates saw the Xerox computer, went home and started designing a program that had clickable pictures via the mouse..."


No. He lifted the idea from Apple, who had previously lifted it from Xerox. Get your history straight.


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Posted: 30th Aug 2005 23:43 Edited at: 30th Aug 2005 23:44
A brief history of home/personal computers:

http://www.deadtroll.com/index2.html?/video/ossuckscable.html~content


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Posted: 30th Aug 2005 23:47
Quote: "Quote: "You cant "steal" ideas."

Sure you can. In this case Bill Gates saw the Xerox computer,"


if you havnt noticed, everyone takes ideas from everyone...
it's called living in the same world. I mean, lets say if no one 'stole' anyone else's ideas, we would have like, 2 alien movies, 4 or 5 action movies, 7 FPS, 4 RPG, 3 RTS, ummm...lets think about things before you post about them eh?

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Posted: 30th Aug 2005 23:51
Quote: "Windows made my Cat vomit into it's own mouth"


you made your cat vomit into its own mouth.
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Posted: 31st Aug 2005 00:59
Quote: "No. He lifted the idea from Apple, who had previously lifted it from Xerox. Get your history straight."


Both Steve Jobs and Bill Gates saw the Xerox computer. When Apple sued Microsoft for stealing the GUI interface from Apple; Bill Gates won because he proved that he saw the Xerox computer around the same time Steve Jobs did. I don't believe in revisionist history.

http://www.apple-history.com/?page=gallery&model=gui

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