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Undercover Steve
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Posted: 8th Nov 2005 01:55 Edited at: 10th Nov 2005 03:24
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At first I thought I was drunk...but microsoft is now FINALLY giving slack to us . Hurah!

http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/products/compare/ Compare products.

teach kids basic
http://msdn.microsoft.com/coding4fun/coolapplications/kpl/default.aspx

Visual Basic owns all:
http://www.jeku.com/temp/GameBasic.zip

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oh that is great! hehe

thanks for posting this. and so fast too! lol


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weeee.... That is NICE




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I just noticed this too:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/coding4fun/coolapplications/kpl/default.aspx

If you want a free Programming language to teach your kids, this looks sorta, kinda, actually nice! (may be a bit advanced though0.o

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Already downloaded the SQL, C++, C# and Web Developer versions. And that KPL looks great for kids.
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Posted: 8th Nov 2005 02:45
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you never know what microsoft will do next!

NEWS LIVE:

Microsoft is giving free Windows Vista Ultimate Editions to poor! Now they just need a PC.



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VB.net just installed....WTH is express edition again? Is it just the individual VS product? Or is it a stripped down cheap butt version

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It is a stripped down version, but you can still do enough with it. I'm sure that most people don't need the extra features.
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what exactly is stripped off? Looks tight to me

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if you look, unless you need advanced application design, it wont really be seriously impaired! Nice support

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everything stripped off is USELESS


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Thats Why I said Advanced application. Like those that like mobile phone games and crap. SOrry. Wow. Just wow. This is a cool set

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Holy !@#$, thanks for this!


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im a KPL User.

Soon to be pro and make 1337 games and then sell teh codez to noobs.

Really easy tho.. i like


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Wow! Is there a way to combine these products? I want C# and C++, but in a combined format--- or do I just have to download them both and they'll "amalgamate". Might as well try, thanks!!!

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Your welcome Jeku! I thought this was tight as well! I love the new interface. Very Swexy.

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So this KPL thing is like a QuickBasic.NET thing? I don't see much of a point to it.

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Posted: 8th Nov 2005 04:19 Edited at: 8th Nov 2005 04:19
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It is for helping children to learn programming.
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Posted: 8th Nov 2005 04:25 Edited at: 8th Nov 2005 04:25
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Jeku: They mold I think. VB.net was 335 mb, but C sharp was 30mb

vb.net was my first dl.

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bah, give em DB.

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Posted: 8th Nov 2005 04:32
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Quote: "Wow! Is there a way to combine these products? I want C# and C++, but in a combined format-"

the express version is each of them separatly, if you pay, you'll get everything in a nice little package


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Posted: 8th Nov 2005 04:37 Edited at: 8th Nov 2005 04:40
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Ahh ok sweet. So the .NET framework 2.0 is officially released now? Sweet!

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I'm speechless. The MSDN is available for free too? I love the F1-Help style I'm used to with 2003

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I am stunned! lol, the GUI is much better. It lets us make a GUI system without having to use Codemax in desperation, because of teh awesomeness of this new GUI system

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Posted: 8th Nov 2005 05:10 Edited at: 8th Nov 2005 05:22
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I love how they do docking, drag the PROPERTIES thingy around a bit, it's AWESOME


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Hmmmm---- did you download the MSDN docs?

Oh yeah, and I believe there's extra error helpers too. If I remember correctly VC# can auto-fix many kinds of syntax errors.

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Hey, did you guys see the free stuff MS gives you along with registering?

You get 100 royalty free icons for dev, 250 royalty free images, some free e-books and more future stuff.

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where do you get it?

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lol, I meant the extras. The link has to many redirects.

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Oh, you need to register your products. The C++ and C# will give you the free icons, images, and ebooks. The web developer one will give you free hosting and some other stuff.
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I did It has redirect issues:S

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Using Internet Explorer Resolved issues.

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yaaay. Everything is installed. I like C sharp lots right now

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woohoo - lets see what its like

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Best news since MSDNAA gave me a free copy of MSVS.Net 2003 ^_^

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Ummm...this was mentioned a year ago! It was fairly common knowledge they would always be free.

http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=42385&b=20

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This looks REALLY cool! Does anyone know if there is any way to make the web developer work with PHP? (PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!)

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And I was about to buy older versions of those

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I'm downloading the Platform SDK & then DirectX to see if it works with DarkSDK.

It looks nice, and it appears that code optimisation is availiable...

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Quote: "I'm downloading the Platform SDK & then DirectX to see if it works with DarkSDK."

Please tell me how that goes. I would love have a free upgrade.

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I will indeed

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So far its not going well - it appears that ODBC32.LIB is needed. Trying to see if its part of the Platform SDK

Yes, it is part of the PSDK.

Now it complains about LIBC.LIB

Exclude that, and then we're back to the DX8 problem again...

Looks like the free version isn't compatiable with DarkSDK, I'm afraid.

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Blast. Oh well. I´ll stay with the 2003 version.

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The commerical versions should be fine though.

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It's not nice. It's called saturating the expertese pool with people only skilled in microsoft products.

They're investing for the future. Free stuff for you now means a bigger monopoly for them in the future.

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But their compilers are very good!

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The IDEs too. C # owns all

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Quote: "It's not nice. It's called saturating the expertese pool with people only skilled in microsoft products.

They're investing for the future. Free stuff for you now means a bigger monopoly for them in the future."

my thoughts exactly

"We make the worst games in the universe."

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Its working

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