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RalphY
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Posted: 6th Jan 2006 16:41
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http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/microsoftflightsimulatorx/media.html?sid=6141988&autoplay=6141988

Watch the developer interview 1 video, it's an interview with the director of developer relations for windows graphics and gaming. He talks about DirectX 10, Vista and backwards compatibility for DirectX 9.
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Kangaroo2 BETA2
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Thanks RalphY I hadn't seen that hmm in that video he says that Direct X 9 is part of the vista os as well as directx10 for compatible hardware acceleration. He says "of course" all games using previous versions of direct x will be compatible. That puts my mind at ease, whether it turns out to be 100% true we can only wait and see

Not sure I like the idea of Vista having a specific area for Games ald all related stuff where they'll have to be installed - I hate being "told" to use things like "my pictures" "my music" etc as it is...


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Posted: 6th Jan 2006 19:42 Edited at: 6th Jan 2006 19:55
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It's kind a funny to listen everybody talking about Windows Vista, because in my native - Latvian language VISTA means CHICKEN


I dont know why they renamed powerfull LONGHORN to funky VISTA, but it will be something everybody will laugh about all the time here down in the Baltic States fo shure

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Posted: 6th Jan 2006 20:04
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lol. I think its Vista as in latin for "Day" so make it sound like something you'd use to do all your tasks, couldn't be without kinda thing. I like Chicken better though


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Posted: 6th Jan 2006 23:16 Edited at: 6th Jan 2006 23:16
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vis·ta
A distant view or prospect, especially one seen through an opening, as between rows of buildings or trees.

I belive if you go to the Vista section of MSDN that's the definition of the word they are using, as in it alows you to view and manipulate a wide range of data/applications but provides a focused streamlined way of doing it or something along those lines...
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Peter H
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i think they called it vista to attract the hispanic population

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Posted: 7th Jan 2006 09:26 Edited at: 7th Jan 2006 09:28
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No see I take that, A distant view or prospect as, We know your looking for a good windows OS but when we release this one youll still be looking for one. The buildings are columns of money that bill gates rakes in and the trees are helpless programmers stuck making crappy OS....AND THERE BETTER BE A GOOD HELP FILE. Took me like 20 minutes to turn some awful thing off that windows turned on automatically. I hate windows and I swear it purposely DELETED my linux kernels because I didnt touch em and know there destroyed beyond recognition.
Its corporate sabotage.
I curse you windows and would refuse to use you except for the fact that DBpro is windows based.

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Pincho Paxton
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Posted: 7th Jan 2006 15:29
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God that interview has annoying music!

From what I could hear, he said that Windows Vista uses DirectX 9 interface, but is DirectX 10 ready. So that's not really emulation, that's just switching between the two.

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Yes thats how I understood what he said too, so thats great news if it turns out to be true

"I swear it purposely DELETED my linux kernels"
Yes it will do that, although microsft will furiously deny it. Try running an older version of windows on the same pc as xp - it'll do exactly the same, regardless of whether on a different partition or even different hard drive, xp purposely picks at other operating systems rendering them useless within a month or two. I have had this happen to me SO many times its not funny. In the end I resorted to buying removable harddrive bays and only using one at a time and guess what? My linux and win98 installations stayed perfect and didn't loose files...


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Quote: "I swear it purposely DELETED my linux kernels"


Are you sure? I know that Microsoft's operating systems overwrite the bootloaders of other os's, but all the data should still be there.

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yes I've had a good fes system files "randomly" dissapear as well as perfectly set up bootup modes messed up. Its happenned so many times that I'm possitive its xp doing it, if I run the hard drives entirely separeatly it never happens... I think XP does it on purpose to make the otehr systems seem unreliable. Of course, MS won't ever admit that, but I'm not a MS hater (I like XP and love my xbox) or a conspiracy geek, I've just noticed it happenning, and so have many others I've asked about it


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Yah I just totally lost the kernel and it doesnt even run anymore, it kind of ticked me off even though I wasn't using it. I am all for that conspiracy, microsoft is attempting to rule the world. One day the program will rise up and take over our houses which are controlled by windows rendering us all under microsofts control.
Might be an interesting story in that, Ill write up a script and well have a movie by october using a cast of highly popular celebrities and directed by some director of good standing. Well call it Demon Seed 2 ATTACK OF MICROSOFT and well bill it as a horror/action flick because microsoft gets corporate hitmen who try to take out the creators of linux who are tirelessly trying to free us, Oh and well have some hackers, everyone loves hackers.

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Posted: 8th Jan 2006 07:21 Edited at: 8th Jan 2006 07:24
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Quote: "DOS system running a graphical menu such as Quick Menu 3 was far more efficient in every area"

What is your view on NTFS?

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ntfs seems like a good idea. however dynamic defrag and other mac type features would be cool to see in vista.

Dont code slowly be SWIFT about it!
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"What is your view on NTFS?"
NTFS is great for windows, and sure speeds it up, seems to make hdds more stable and all kinds of other benifits. The only thing that bugs me about it is it makes your drive unreadable by older operating systems.

But to answer your quote, I still feel that DOS running decent apps is far FAR more efficient and fast on any pc than windows ever will be - the fact that there are no real system requirements, and the entire os is loaded into far less than 1mb of ram really makes that a no brainer

I'm not sayingI'd go back to using dos nowadays for my main pc, I love too many windows apps to do that. But back in the days of Win 3.1 and my old 486, I really did see little reason to use it, and if envision and neopanit were updated to use my usb printer, I'm sure I'd still be using them on at least one pc...


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Quote: "The only thing that bugs me about it is it makes your drive unreadable by older operating systems."


Humbug! I would post the ISO here if i wasn't positive that it was against AUP. But search online, you may find it.

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? Pardon ?

Sorry I didn't understand what you meant - do you mean windows 98 can read ntfs drives? If so I'd like to hear how, I would use it, as that way I could format my "media" harddrive to ntfs


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There's a dos driver that will allow you to do this kind of stuff... If I knew it back when I got my computer - I would do a double-boot, but now I'm too lazy. Try looking for it on the web. I'm also a DOS lover! The only version of windows that I didn't hate was 98se. And mostly becasue of the reason that you could run DOS easily and without any consequences.

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Before all this talk of a new version of DBPro for Vista, I hope that TGC fix all basic DBPro functionality. v5.9 is very much a backwards step - as all the new bugs in the bugs forum demonstrates.

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Anatoly - cool I'll keep an eye out

Philip - yes I'm worried that if a new version comes out we'll be back to square one with bugs - the first release of dbpro was not really usable for finsihing projects


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But the Dos patch is very much a hack. It goes straight though the password prompt and allows you direct access to any file you would normally use.

If you would allow such a thing to get on these boards...

ISO, you know CD Image? Burn to disk, make bootable cds.

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Quote: "Before all this talk of a new version of DBPro for Vista, I hope that TGC fix all basic DBPro functionality. v5.9 is very much a backwards step - as all the new bugs in the bugs forum demonstrates."


Problem is, for certain things a quick fix will only cause more issues because of the root of the problem. I'm sure the TGC already are fully aware of this and are taking steps to correct it. Thing is these corrections will take time, but if done properly should mean that 'patches' will no longer be fixing major issues.

Thanks for the welcome back(s).. yeah I'm about again. Not exactly going to be a major presence, so don't expect to make posts that I'll read unless it's a big topic like this one.

I've got limited net-time right now, plus my time is currently focused elsewhere. Good to see everyone again.

Oh.. and Merranvo, get a clue :p you seemed better contained to the idiocies within the FPS Creator forum; always felt you should've stayed there. :p

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Quote: "Oh.. and Merranvo, get a clue :p you seemed better contained to the idiocies within the FPS Creator forum; always felt you should've stayed there. :p"


No offence, but YEAH. Point.

I'd be happy if (just before DBP U6.0) they release a last, 'Clean' patch; nothing but clean code. If it doesn't work, give it a poke, & if that doesn't work then rip it out (and leave it to the forum to make sure that this Clean codebase is, indeed, clean & 100% working).

What's left we'd know we can use, and the rest could be updated in the meantime to bring everything back to order.

[edit] Waaah, typo. [/edit]

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@Raven

Whats her name? Come on, fess up.

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Quote: "Oh.. and Merranvo, get a clue :p you seemed better contained to the idiocies within the FPS Creator forum; always felt you should've stayed there. :p"

Those Idiocies are, well, stupid. And half the time they are redundant to argue, mainly because the people don't care in the first place, they just want it to be true. Kind of reminds me of that WiFi stealing thread.

Raven, after all the times you yelled at those little children, you call it the "FPS Creator FORUM". You had a minor argument on how it is board and that the entire DBP+FPSC was the forum.

And Raven, I liked the Pink Cat better, It suited your feministic personality.

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Quote: "Before all this talk of a new version of DBPro for Vista, I hope that TGC fix all basic DBPro functionality. v5.9 is very much a backwards step - as all the new bugs in the bugs forum demonstrates."


I agree 110%

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@Philip

Leona :p

@Merranvo

I know you typed something but for some reason it just keeps comming out as "Blah blah blah", no matter the language I put it through on babelfish.

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You would trust Douglas Adams' Creations? Woman, I thought you knew better.

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Merranvo, your insults got you banned before, and I hope they do again. Ravens opinions may be longer, more intelligent, and better thought out than yours, but that is no reason to insult him!

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