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Phaelax
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Posted: 25th Mar 2006 09:25 Edited at: 25th Mar 2006 09:42
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I'm currently running Beta 1, and for the most part I like it. I don't like how they changed folder views and took out my favorite view "listing". And different windows just randomly come to the front, its odd. The border transparencies are neat though, and overall its running pretty smoothly compared to other performance claims i've heard. I've networked it with my Mac easily, didn't have to install AppleTalk. Just shared a folder and voila!

Unfortunately, not much runs on Vista. I tried installing J2SE 6 beta, no luck. Without a java virtual machine, I can't run my software. Plus, I have no sound. Still looking to see if I can find a Creative driver.

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it`s just different, not better or improved (I don`t call needing serious games machine specs to run the OS at any reasonable speed an improvement), strangly I don`t spend hours every day staring at my window borders, transparent or not, Linux is WAY more configureable anyway, stuff MS, a little while longer and I will be able to switch totaly to Linux, HaHAHAHA!



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Does DBPro run on Vista ?

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Quote: "didn't have to install AppleTalk"

its probably loaded by default.

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I have Vista Beta 2 installed, only in a vm though so DBPro probably won't run, but will give it a go.


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Posted: 25th Mar 2006 17:57 Edited at: 25th Mar 2006 17:57
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can we get a screenshot of windows vista and it's window thing your talking about?
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Posted: 25th Mar 2006 18:27 Edited at: 25th Mar 2006 18:28
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Thats an old picture, quite a bit has changed.


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sooo, whats different between vista and xp? so far it seems like just the looks....

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Why must we have extremely decent computers to run an OS...?

Come on. I want somthing fast and stable, who cares how sexy it looks, seriously, I don't think I'm gonna buy vista even if my computer is good enough. I don't want windows hogging half my resources to view My Computer...

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my argument exactly, but everyone keeps tweeting on about how wonderful the drop shadows are and the "sexy" 3D look windows with translucent borders no one seems to stop and think and what it is an OS actualy DOES, and then start to wonder why it requires a GIG of HD to do it in, I mean , more power to Linux



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I heard a friend say that Longhorn/Vista sends everything you do to Microsoft.. and if you are not online, it logs what you do and then sends it! Also, the OS refuses to open or view any of these logs or stop reporting to M$.


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Quote: "I heard a friend say that Longhorn/Vista sends everything you do to Microsoft.. and if you are not online, it logs what you do and then sends it! Also, the OS refuses to open or view any of these logs or stop reporting to M$."


That's bollocks. I read the privacy statement on Beta 2, after Raven (I think) told me the same thing about Longhorn Build 4074. The privacy statement and EULA explicitly state that absolutely no information is shared between the client and M$ during usage; so unless they lied on their EULA (very unlikely unless they want legal problems) that's purely a rumour.

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When the control panel crashed it did showed this dialog about it connecting to Microsoft to fix the problem, although it did ask me. This then led to the whole operating system dying, and needing a hard reset.

I like the way it has security like unix, where you have to allow certain operations. I can see it becoming annoying though, as it seems to ask everytime you do something which requires settings. I also like the extra set of icons on the taskbar which appear when Vista is doing operations such as driver installation.

Not really had anymore time to play except just gettng it installed.


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Lol, Windows 3.1 - 1337!


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Quote: "no one seems to stop and think and what it is an OS actualy DOES, and then start to wonder why it requires a GIG of HD to do it."


That is because it is a MICROSOFT product. No one cares, they just buy it.

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Quote: "stop reporting to M$."

The OS reports to microdollar?

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it should do checksums for executable files, and since the desktop is rendered, dds files should be as usable as bmp files. any chance of using dds files as desktop backgrounds?

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Quote: "my argument exactly, but everyone keeps tweeting on about how wonderful the drop shadows are and the "sexy" 3D look windows with translucent borders no one seems to stop and think and what it is an OS actualy DOES, and then start to wonder why it requires a GIG of HD to do it in, I mean , more power to Linux "

My friend bought a Mac because it had "better graphics."
Frankly I haven't heard of anything new other than looks for Vista. I can skin XP for much cheaper in both money and resources.

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Seeing as how they've rewritten most of the OS source from the getgo, nobody can say it's just a reskin of XP.

In case anyone cares, lots of legacy code has remained in Windows since its inception up into XP, and Microsoft have finally decided to scrap a big majority of it for a clean rewrite. Sounds good to me.


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Also, I understand that the file system is totally different and it's supposed to be more secure. Maybe some people are turned on by the graphics, but I think they're overdoing it a little there. I have to switch XP to the classic view in order to think. Hopefully Vista has an option that will allow us to turn off all the pretty graphics and just get our work done.

I've also been hearing rumors that .net won't be installed by default, but we'll see how that goes. It seems really silly to me, but I'll just be happily writing Win32 and hopefully Win64 apps soon with Delphi. Also, a lot of stuff they were trying to do with .net, they scrapped and rewrote.
http://www.grimes.demon.co.uk/dotnet/vistaAndDotnet.htm
And a lengthy discussion (The Borland newsgroups are full of discussions about .net vs. Win32/Win64.)
http://groups.google.com/group/borland.public.delphi.non-technical/browse_thread/thread/435fc03d37707729/c52d75fb49e8b5ae


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If you ask me they need to completely redo the kernal and start from scratch.

As far as Vista sending all your activities to microsoft their is some truth to that. Windows programmers where told by the government to make a backdoor into everyones computer for specials "uses". There was an article about it somewhere, I forget where I read that though.
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Quote: "Also, I understand that the file system is totally different and it's supposed to be more secure"


The new file system was tossed from what I understand. Currently, it still uses NTFS.

I spent a few hours trying to get sound to work. Seems to be a common issue with people using Audigy 2 zs cards. Creative does have a vista driver download, but it barely works. I can get simple beeps and clicks (from menu actions) but trying to play music is useless. It's all static and garbled. I heard there's a huge issue with Direct Sound, creating a lack of sound hardware acceleration.

I've booted up into Win2k cause I needed to hear some music. I'll try to install DBP tomorrow and see what happens.


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Quote: "Windows programmers where told by the government to make a backdoor into everyones computer for specials "uses". There was an article about it somewhere"

Extremely doubtful.

Quote: "The new file system was tossed from what I understand. "

The database filing system is supposed to be added later.

It sounds like (if your using the latest beta), that Microsoft had no chance getting it stable & out by the end of this year.

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Hasn´t Vista been posponed till january 2007? I heard that they were going to use SQL as the file system but never had time so now they have an improverd version of NTFS. I wonder what´s taking thme s long. I thought they had got rid of everything they were going to change due to time restraint.

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Quote: "don't like how they changed folder views and took out my favorite view "listing""


God damn it!


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Vista was supposed to have a new, database driven, filesystem called WinFS. However they posponed that in order to get Vista realsed more quickly. Instead Microsoft are working on something called WinFX, which is like an overlay for existing filesystems which provides a lot of the functionality of WinFS (but not all, and not as well as an inherint file system would). WinFX will also be avaliable for XP.

I may have got the WinFS and WinFX names mixed up there, but that's the general gist. Goto http://www.winsupersite.com, there's loads of stuff about vista on there.

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Quote: "Extremely doubtful."


Hey man, I just tell it like it is. Why wouldn't they? Computers can be a major threat, and almost everyone uses them. They tap our phones (especially during this Patriot Act thing) and now our computers. Security vs. Privacy, and in the eyes of the government security takes presidence.

Plus how else can microsoft become a military power? They exploit us all! Can you imagine the chaos? They take over our computers disabling everyone and move in! Lol!
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Quote: "Hasn´t Vista been posponed till january 2007?"

Indeed it has

Quote: "Hey man, I just tell it like it is. Why wouldn't they?"

Because, as Microsoft have themselves have said, if people believe there is a backdoor in the OS, no-one will buy it. Plus, there are all sorts of privacy problems.

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I'd watch out if I were you, Sid

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Quote: "They tap our phones (especially during this Patriot Act thing) and now our computers."

Oh no, they're going to see me looking at porn, it's over for me! When I run for president, it will be all over the news! NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Hey, I value my privacy, but if somehow the government did spy on me, by phone or internet or bathroom cameras, they wouldn't find anything they cared about. I've got nothing to hide anyway.

Now, if their hidden bathroom videos uncovered a terrorist or two, more power to them.


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i agree with everything cash just said, well put

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There's a little competition/challenge thing on Microsoft Connect at the moment where all the beta testers for the Vista/LH/IE7 programme get to take a guess at when it's going to be released. Their target at the moment is mid-november last I checked.
I'm starting to use it just as much as I use XP now, stability isn't an issue but they haven't configured setup to allow you to upgrade between betas but when they do, I'll be switching from XP mainly for the speed difference (Vista is miles faster for me.)

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Who cares how nice the drop shadows & transparancy is...I usually just switch to classic mode anyway. : /

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same here.

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Same here.


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Extremely doubtful. "


Actually, I heard the same thing. But MS finally said F*** off.


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Information leaks, thats how it accidently got out, and the public needs to still buy microsoft products even against their will. Why? Everything runs on them. All major businesses have either Microsoft or Sun OS's. Thats how you have to survive. Remember when the government stopped microsoft from monopolizing the whole industry? Need I say more?

Privacy problems? You really think that because their statement says no information will be exchanged that thats true? Yea right. When it comes to things like that the government makes/bends/destroyes rules. They own, period. America and it's policies are sometimes a big illusion. Remember that.
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I've actually resisted every single version of Windows that came out. This thread is like a script of my thoughts.

Cash to Cash - "Screw Microsoft and this overpriced buggy piece of junk!"
Cash to Cash - "I don't need fancy new graphics! I'm perfectly happy with MS Dos 5/Windows 3.1/Windows 95 with it's plain black screen/16 color windows/256 color windows. It will just slow down my computer, and since I'm special I need every single clock cycle!"
Cash to Cash - "I don't trust machines! They'll destroy us all! they're spying on me, because I'm so interesting and rich!"
Cash to Cash - "Well, it's not half bad. I'm still not going to buy it though.
Cash to Cash - "Well, I just dropped 2 Gs on a new computer, and it's got the new Windows, which is good, because I secretly wanted the new version anyway. Now I can make all of my borders different colors. I can even make fun little icons that perfectly describe the program I'm running and my personality. Yeah!!!"



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Windows should take on a more modular design I think, like OS X.(i think) That way, new advanced features are more easily added through upgrade packs and not a whole new OS.


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Now this is a very interesting blog post by an anonymous Microsoft employee.
http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2006/03/vista-2007-fire-leadership-now.html

Most of the comments are also by M$ employees as well.


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Yeah right... Microsoft employees are obsessed with school holidays. I think I know who is obsessed with school holidays.

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And you still think a buisness would run a Microsoft OS if it had a backdoor ?

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I care! I'd love to navigate through a sexy looking OS, can't wait for the future! I honestly have no idea how you guys can stand that boring old classic mode, you're all so bland.


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hyrichter, I looked at that blog, and its basically a bunch of MSFT employees ranting about the company and Vista. It seems that the management is screwed up all over, and that many of them would much rather have microsoft buy an OSX license, or redo everything from the ground up, just so that there would be a stable Microsoft system. Looks like Vista is going to be a failure.

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The backdoor thing definately is true. It was in a security article a while back (an appeared on slashdot if I remember). Its an encrypted port that can only be accessed via special high-security connection.

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whats to say some hacker genius cant hack through the backdoor?

EDIT: http://news.com.com/Microsoft+Vista+wont+get+a+backdoor/2100-1016_3-6046016.html

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For the love of...there IS NO (intentional) backdoor in Windows. Hidden, encrypted or otherwise.

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yeah, i found this http://news.com.com/Microsoft+Vista+wont+get+a+backdoor/2100-1016_3-6046016.html

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