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Steve J
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Posted: 28th Apr 2006 07:26
Besides Battlestar Galactica, Doctor Who is now my most favorite sci-fi show ever. I love how they do the same thing as BSG, mix action, drama, comedy, and scifi in one big bundle! I *got* all of season 1 and the 2 season 2 episodes, because I think the difference is bullocks, and it is completely awesome! Any other doctor who fans?

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Posted: 28th Apr 2006 10:27
Doctor Who thread was posted last week.

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I didn't see the last Doctor Who thread, so I'll take this opportunity to say I think it's rubbish.

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I think this doctor who show is rubbish!

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Posted: 28th Apr 2006 14:34
Wtf is Doctor Who?

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Enough about bloody Doctor Noob already!


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Posted: 28th Apr 2006 15:18 Edited at: 28th Apr 2006 15:21
Quote: "I think this doctor who show is rubbish!"

I am disappointed with you

Quote: "Wtf is Doctor Who?"

Its a British sci-fi program, thats been running since the 1960's (with a 10 year or so gap - main due to the fact that, ironically enough, the BBC hate sci-fi programs, although they have decided to start liking the genre since the new series started last year). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_who for details.

Other BBC sci-fi programs included :

Blake's Seven
Red Dwarf
Quatermass

and various other old programs - Dr Who is the only one that the BBC have decided to bring up to date. There were rumours that B7 was going to be updated too, but that fell through.

Note that BBC, ITV1, C4 and C5 all show imports (when the can be bothered), as so none of these have decided to make their own sci-fi programs - it shows how well liked sci-fi is here

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Posted: 28th Apr 2006 15:34
Red Dwarf is awesome ....

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The old Doctor Who was a classic in its day. I do appreciate sci-fi tele and comedy. I just can't even crack a smile watching the new Dr.Who, nor appreciate it's new take on the doctor, nor get used to that Billy chick in it. I think it's old skool tacky Sci-Fi that was great in it's day but does not work in its modern version. It only works on the whole nostalgia level - people who remember the old stuff and overlook all the rubbish in the new one to get their old skool Dr.Who fix again.

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Posted: 28th Apr 2006 15:46
On the contrary, it can be both funny and fairly hard hitting (what happened to Jack in the last series, what happened in the first episode of the new series, and last weeks banishment for the Doctor) - its certainly losing its child-friendly status, which is good.

Just need to spend more money on the SFX now...

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Posted: 28th Apr 2006 16:11
I prefer the new Doctor Who style to the old Doctor Who style, but they are taking a few liberties in what they do. The Daleks can fly in such a way that they levitate. Flying could have been more interesting than that, with some sort of shimmering heatwave effect. I just wonder why the Daleks ever bother to land with such an easy levitation approach.

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Posted: 28th Apr 2006 16:21
Quote: "The Daleks can fly in such a way that they levitate"

Its not new - they've been doing that for a while.

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Posted: 28th Apr 2006 16:24
Yes it's new. They only did it about 6 episodes back.

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Posted: 28th Apr 2006 16:28 Edited at: 28th Apr 2006 16:33
No - have a look at the Sylvester McCoy Episodes - think its the one with the heavy duty Dalek. In one of the episodes it hovers up the stairs...

Mmemonix will be able to give you a full rundown of it He's the Doctor Who expert...

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Posted: 28th Apr 2006 16:32 Edited at: 28th Apr 2006 16:34
Well, maybe. But 6 episodes back or more they were laughing at it at the bottom of the stairs, so they weren't consistent with the history.

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Posted: 28th Apr 2006 16:33
The Daleks are a perfect reason as to why Dr Who should be left to lie! They're the cheapest Sci-Fi enemy of all time, and once again, they've had to be brought back for nostalgia reasons, not because they're any good as an enemy. It's just a case of Dr Who isn't Dr Who without daleks and cybermen etc., which for makes the new series as tacky as the old one.

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Posted: 28th Apr 2006 16:35
They could have changed the Daleks like they changed the Klingons in Star Trek.

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Quote: "But 6 episodes back or more they were laughing at it at the bottom of the stairs, so they weren't consistent with the franchise."

Only Billy and the other chap were - and as they hadn't seen a Dalek before, how would they know it could fly ?

Its highly doubtful The Doctor would have detailed all his battles during a journey.

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Posted: 28th Apr 2006 16:37 Edited at: 28th Apr 2006 16:39
Quote: "They're the cheapest Sci-Fi enemy of all time"

On the contary, they are one of the nastiest... And they were very good as baddies in the last two episodes of the last series... Especially the one hovvering outside the station...

Quote: "They could have changed the Daleks like they changed the Klingons in Star Trek"

Add an extra ridge or two ?

I would like to see some of the previous Doctors - something like The 5 Doctors, only with some what more action

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Posted: 28th Apr 2006 17:26
The daleks first climbed stairs using levitation in rememberance of the daleks of the Sylvestor McCoy era back in 1988.




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Posted: 28th Apr 2006 21:08 Edited at: 28th Apr 2006 21:09
Was I right, or was I right ??

I woz right!

Hope this Saturdays episode is better than last weeks one (which was a bit too slow).

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Posted: 28th Apr 2006 23:51
Last weeks episode was a bit slow, but the story was fairly awesome how everything connected to something else.

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Posted: 29th Apr 2006 19:53
I think the new doctor who's are lame, the new writter writes like it's a soap opera, it was ok when it had christopher eklston in it because he was a good actor but the new guy sucks, and also they seem to be writing for doctor who like he is super man and knows everything which is really inconsistent with the old doctor whos also I think the daleks are a good enemy and are queite menecing or used to be anyway
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Posted: 29th Apr 2006 21:12
There is a thing known as the full stop around...

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Posted: 29th Apr 2006 22:20
Just watched the latest episode. Mmm, cool but (being a bit sappy) I felt my eyes welling up a few times

Great stuff, and I personally very much like the new Doctor - the previous one kind of seems a bit rough now in my memory. And that episode there certainly gave the Doctor a little more seriousness despite the flippant facade
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Posted: 29th Apr 2006 23:18
I don't like the new Doctor. This episode was not that good either IMO.

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Posted: 30th Apr 2006 00:23
It was very good - better than last weeks one too!

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Posted: 30th Apr 2006 14:20
This season's Doctor Who has been far superior to the last season so far.

I would have liked one of those large alien bat things to have eaten the increasingly annoying Billie Piper though.

Age has certainly been kind to Elisabeth Sladen.

NB: In answer to the comments from our American cousins above, Doctor Who is the best Sci-Fi series ever made. I'm sorry - this is just unarguable.

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Posted: 30th Apr 2006 14:27 Edited at: 30th Apr 2006 14:29
As I cant remember much about Blakes 7 (apart from the very last episode), and I've never seen Quatermass - yet, I have to agree

Quote: "increasingly annoying Billie Piper though"

Not a fan then, eh ?

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Billy Piper is great!!!

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Billie Piper has gotten better over time. She was particularly good in "New Earth"

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Quote: "NB: In answer to the comments from our American cousins above, Doctor Who is the best Sci-Fi series ever made. I'm sorry - this is just unarguable."


take it you havent seen stargate , if you have then die .

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Posted: 30th Apr 2006 14:56
I've seen Stargate (very formulaic) and I can't die, sorry.

Doctor Who is better.

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I have to agree with Philip here(because he is a scary lawyer).

Doctor Who is on the most part quite original with its plots. You never know quite what your going to get, and you can be sure its not something that you have seen before!

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Star Trek is the best Sci-Fi series. Doctor Who is 2nd best.

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Posted: 30th Apr 2006 15:46
Stargate is a bore (especially the film). Star Trek is great - whether its better than Dr Who is another matter.

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if youve only seen the film then your 300episodes out so your vote isnt valid, im not saying im a fan of doctor who but ive only seen a hand full of episodes from series 1 of the new series, and i have to say that it just seems way to childish and not very serious, and the special effects werent exactly a wow either, im not sure how much its improved since but i suspect its along the same lines. however if you compare that to stargate series 7+ and stargate atlantis s1+ then its no contest really, but i do agree some episodes are slightly predictable over the punchline but thats not allways the case, but i mainly watch it because i really love the idea of big spaceships and space combat and stargate has it in every other episode whereas doctor who just isnt my type of thing.

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Posted: 30th Apr 2006 16:12 Edited at: 30th Apr 2006 16:14
Quote: "if youve only seen the film then your 300episodes out so your vote isnt valid"

As I said, Stargate is a bore including the film. The film is much worse than the series, but neither are much cop.

Another sci-fi one I do like is Quantum Leap...

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Does anybody have any of the BBC video releases of doctor who, preferrably Tom Baker or Peter Davison? Are you willing to part with them. Im aiming for the full set of these 2 doctors

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Quote: "I've seen Stargate (very formulaic) and I can't die, sorry. "

Too true. It just feels kind of ridiculous that they always get out of every situation, and they're kind of stretching it to say that every human myth is actually an alien race...

Batlestar pwns it completely. I didn't think they could actually do what they did at the end of season 2... For about ten minutes I was certain that it was all just one of the characters dreams or something.

I like the new doctor who, but I'm not crazy about it. I prefer more explanations in my science fiction...

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Posted: 30th Apr 2006 19:05
Quote: "Batlestar pwns it completely"

Original or the "reimage" ? I did like the original, and never seen the latest ones.

Quote: "I like the new doctor who, but I'm not crazy about it. I prefer more explanations in my science fiction"

They probably have explained most things...

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Posted: 30th Apr 2006 20:58
The new one.

And there are certain things in docor who which they just don't have time to explain, which I'm curious about... not things most people would notice, just me mostly.

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Quote: "and they're kind of stretching it to say that every human myth is actually an alien race..."


why? i think that it was very clever to have all egyptian gods playing as real(false) gods in the series although i dont know anything about egyptian history, the stargate story does seem fairly believable to me having the buried gates on earth and the uprising the happened thousands of years ago, and tales of what the gods used to do years ago it all seems to make sence.

Quote: "It just feels kind of ridiculous that they always get out of every situation"


i agree in most episodes they start off in some almost death situation and manage to get out of it, but i think that the writers are getting more clever on the series 8+ having mostly new cast and all, if you watch the s9 finalie i found it very good even though the milkyway seemed totally doomed by the new big threat, and although it does seem rather repetative by having a new big threat in the galaxy if you watched the whole series then there appearance totally makes sence.

ive seen quite alot of star trek episodes, but its not really something that i want to watch just happens to be all skyone plays, but i dont mind some episodes, but im into the big space battles with lots of bullets flying everywhere , and i do like battlestar galactica as it too has its fair share of action scenes, what bsg has that most other scifi series dont is that it is very believable as a future for mankind atleast in technology, bar cylons maybe and ftl, but all of the ships and technology seem slightly more futuristic but not totally fictional, i thought the s2 finalie of bsg was fairly dissapointing, as i cant imagine what a fleet of perhaps 100people? could possibly hope to acheive against a planet full of cylons and basestars around it.

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Posted: 30th Apr 2006 22:13
Quote: "not things most people would notice, just me mostly."

Like what - and I do hope its not 'what does TARDIS stand for'

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Posted: 1st May 2006 00:27
I rather like Dr Who. It's not easily pidgeonholed- you shouldn't take it too seriously, but that's not to say it isn't "serious". It makes me happy when i watch it, which is what really counts.


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Quote: "Like what - and I do hope its not 'what does TARDIS stand for'"

I don't remember exactly, but I kept asking all sorts of questions during the show, especially with the daleks, I think. Yes, I watched the entire show, but I'm used to reading science fiction which is just short of being actual science, and unless I have an idea of what the technology is, I've gotten used to full detail explanations for everything. If you've read the Rama books you should have about the level of explanation I'm used to... I question everything by nature. It's not a fault of Doctor Who.

Quote: "why? i think that it was very clever to have all egyptian gods playing as real(false) gods in the series although I don’t know anything about Egyptian history, the stargate story does seem fairly believable to me having the buried gates on earth and the uprising the happened thousands of years ago, and tales of what the gods used to do years ago it all seems to make sence."

No, the Egyptians were fine!! Even when they brought in the Viking asgard and the Chinese gods I was ok. But then came the Atlantans, and now even King Author... it's getting to a level where it just seems silly.

Quote: " agree in most episodes they start off in some almost death situation and manage to get out of it, but i think that the writers are getting more clever on the series 8+ having mostly new cast and all, if you watch the s9 finalie i found it very good even though the milkyway seemed totally doomed by the new big threat, and although it does seem rather repetative by having a new big threat in the galaxy if you watched the whole series then there appearance totally makes sence."

They are getting better, and yes I've been watch since the first season. I really hate how all the new threats seem totally unbeatable... I liked the gould 'cause they were beatable, but now the Ori are here with the equivalent to magic, and tech to rival the ancients... It just not what I want... I'd actually be interested in seeing just small amount of bad guys, and watch the galaxy develop... But I'm probably alone in that wish...

Quote: "i thought the s2 finalie of bsg was fairly dissapointing, as i cant imagine what a fleet of perhaps 100people? could possibly hope to acheive against a planet full of cylons and basestars around it."

Actually, I think that's what makes it so great. BSG is the kind of show where we're now going to see the humans under the rule of the cylons... I love the fact that they just can't do that in a tv show, but they did anyways.

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i hate it

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The cybermen doctor who was just smashing. "DELETE. YOU ARE INCOMPATIBLE. YOU SHALL BE DELETED." Love the 2 mickeys, I mean rickeys, I mean Rickey and Mickey

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It was one spiffingly exciting episode. And they didn't show the next part either

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CYBERMEN

They are cool They have weird voices again

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I think the new Doctor Who is quite good... the special effects in it aren't that bad either, I mean given the time limits and size of the team at 'TheLoft' it's a huge achiement to provide the level of special effects as well as keeping it true to the original series quite nicely.

Sure it looks a bit tacky, but then I think that's part of the charm of Doctor Who. Same goes for the fact that it's not made purely for adult enjoyment like Star Trek Enterprise, Stargate, Farscape, etc.. but for the whole family.



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