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Pincho Paxton
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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 17:07
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Thanks! I use Anim8or. It's just keyframes, and IK between frames.

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Alvarus
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Hey Pincho, models are looking good as always! One thing: the run animation seems a bit off.

Check out this site:
http://www.greyhound-data.com/d?r=2001745&z=3DaBqG

You'll need to download a codec from the site to view the video.

Man, those dogs are fast! But you can still distinguish their positioning when you go through frame by frame.

Since you're rendering your animations to planes, will you be adding a motion blur?


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I agree, it looks great!

But if you can make your animation look like this, people will worship you

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Pincho Paxton
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Where did you find that Greyhound in Motion? I was looking for something like that. Now I can get it perfect.

Thanks!!!

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Looking forward to seeing your results!

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@pincho - I'd appreciate a mini-tutorial on how you did that. I'd love to be able to make animations like that! Is it easy?

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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 19:02 Edited at: 30th Jun 2006 19:07
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It's easy yes. But you only end up with 2D AVI Export, or multiple BMP's, not 3DS, or X. So you have to paste the images as textures to plains. This is the tutorial that I studied to do this....


http://www.anim8or.com/tutorials/simplewalk/index.html

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You could load lots of models in, like maybe 24 frames then cycle them - lots of media to load with that method though. I used to have a program that exported a .3DS for each frame of a bone animated .X file - like you could animate with characterFX then grab all the meshes for each frame.

If you wanted to be really stingy, you could make sure each dog used a different frame, and then 1 set of animations would do, you'd just retexture them .

Just thinking about that old DBC+ mesh deform cop-out demo by Lee, with Boba Fett and the dodgy twist dance.

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Yeah. There was an animation export for Anim8or, that saved all frames as a different 3DS model, but it doesn't work in Windows XP. So I decided to go for the plains.

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Posted: 1st Jul 2006 12:05 Edited at: 1st Jul 2006 14:11
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Ok. The new animation using the Greyhound in Motion as my reference animation. I think that this must be right now....

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Posted: 1st Jul 2006 14:11 Edited at: 3rd Jul 2006 02:37
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I just had to make some changes to the front legs....

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2006 02:38 Edited at: 3rd Jul 2006 20:55
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Another update on the Greyhound Animation.....

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Looks really nice Pincho Paxton!

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Thanks! I think I've got it right this time.

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Wow, looking really good now! The head motion is the only aspect that could use a bit more work.

I took a few screens from the videos that I posted earlier (attached). Notice the way the dog's head is upright when the legs are together and it looks like it's almost as if it's diving when it is stretched out.

Keep up the good work!


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Great pictures!!! Yes, the head dips, very important to get that right for Photo finishes!!!

Thanks!!!

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Posted: 3rd Jul 2006 20:55 Edited at: 3rd Jul 2006 20:56
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New Greyhound...With head bobbing action!!!



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Awesome.


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Great thanks!!! It's done. It's worth the time spent, because the other dogs are all the same animations, just with different textures, so in all, I am making 6 dogs in one go. Plus any camera angles I want. I still need to do the leaning around a bend, coming out of the traps they dip down, and slowing down they tend to bob about a lot.

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Quote: "slowing down they tend to bob about a lot. "


Yeah, I noticed in the video they look pretty happy once the race is over. I guess they get a treat or something...


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Thats unbelievable!

Are you going to have animated objects or animations playing on plains?

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The dogs will be on plains from every camera angle, so there will be a realistic 3D effect. A side view for camera 1, an isometric view, a rotation around a bend, so it will look like mesh deformed models.

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Surely it would be more simple to use an animated model in that case?! Unless I'm understanding you incorrectly..

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DB Classic can't use Mesh Deform, so you would have robot limbs on the dogs.

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Put the dog on the track. I can rotate around the dog quite a lot before you can tell that it's 2D, so that means that I do not need as many frames as I thought at first. Rotations will be in steps, hopefully invisible to the naked eye.



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Nice. You can see how far your dog animation has come by comparing the dog in this screenshot to the dog in your sig.

Are you considering putting an animated shadow plane under the dogs?


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Posted: 6th Jul 2006 18:10 Edited at: 6th Jul 2006 18:13
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I'm considering putting real shadows under the dogs. Shadows that can overlap properly.

Depends on how fast it works....

But if it works OK there should be shadows for everything like the traps, and the tractor, and the windows maybe.

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Wouldn't a shadow cast by the hardware lights on the dog plane be square? Or would the light pass through the transparent portions?


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looks nice
for the shadows, i think that hardware shadows wont afect so much in a project like your

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Have you considered rendering them in DB?

I haven't used Anim8or so I'm not sure how your rendering, but it's a lot of work when you consider you have to do it 8 times and at several angles.

If you could load the meshes into DB and render them - it could be automated, like render all the frames at the required angles and with each dog texture. Might save you some time if Anim8or has nothing like that to make it easier.

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Posted: 6th Jul 2006 21:05 Edited at: 6th Jul 2006 21:11
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Thanks for the replies. Well I'm not hardware rendering them, because I don't think that DB Classic can do Hardware rendered shadows. If it can... tell me how. Well it can on a matrix, I know, but I don't have a matrix in my game.

I'm just trying a sort of cheat, that might work, or might not work. Using Black masks as cookie cutters, to cut out shadows from a dark texture that matches the sand texture. Actually, I just had another idea that is faster. Just make a plain like the usual way, but instead of ghosting it, put the texture of the darker sand on it, and scroll the texture as the dog moves. Might work...

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Aargh! My shadow routine is slow. Try it out from the link, and see if anyone can speed this up.

This is the source link!!! Please try to speed this up.
http://forum.thegamecreators.com/?m=forum_view&t=83352&b=10

Thanks!!!

Pincho.

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Ouch!

Fade Bitmap is probably the problem.

Maybe there's something else you can use instead of fade, been so long since I used DBC for this stuff that I'm not sure.

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Maybe gamma, but even if I take out fade bitmap it is slow.

Looks like the ghosted plains are all I can do. Maybe I can make sure that they don't overlap by having the light from the top down.

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Pincho, can´t you just make a shadow version of your dog animation, put it on a white backround, paste it onto a plane and put dark ghosting on it?

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Quote: "Pincho, can´t you just make a shadow version of your dog animation, put it on a white backround, paste it onto a plane and put dark ghosting on it?"


Yeah, but when they overlap they go darker...I think. I shall just have to make sure that they don't overlap.

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Yeah, I think the point is to get that flat shadow effect - you do get that in DBPro with the new shaders - but nobody tries stuff like this in DBC anymore, not even Bolt now that he's switched to Pro. DBC has plenty oomphf these days on modern PC's .

Maybe using a solid shadow would be best. Like using a black background and dark grey shadow images, you could paste them onto a single bitmap in position, grab that - then texture it onto a ghosted shadow plain you can stick under the dogs. Meaning 1 big plain for the dog shadows, all of them pasted then textured onto a single plain.

I think GET IMAGE is quite fast in DBClassic, which is really the biggest concearn in that method - no fading necessary, so it would be faster I think.

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Quote: "Maybe using a solid shadow would be best. Like using a black background and dark grey shadow images, you could paste them onto a single bitmap in position, grab that - then texture it onto a ghosted shadow plain you can stick under the dogs. Meaning 1 big plain for the dog shadows, all of them pasted then textured onto a single plain."


Yeah, good idea. What I loose in creating the shadows, I gain in just having 1 plain. So just 2 polys ghosted. Although, if the dogs are far apart, I end up with a huge 5000*800+++ bitmap texture.

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Maybe its smarter that you check how far the dogs are apart, and if they're witihn a certain distance, you use one plain, and maybe individual ones for dogs that are further away

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Well, yes Distant overlapping shadows might not be noticed if they turn black. Plus less chance of two dogs being far back to cause bad shadows. So that might be good.

Funny that the small shadow program RAR that I uploaded is slower than my whole project so far.

EDIT: Might make the distant shadows from a solid colour. That is probably the best thing to do. Dark brown... No ghosting at all.

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Looking good Pincho! Not spoke in a while. I see your artistic skills keep getting better. I haven't done much in DB lately, just started a desert strike inspired game in the last few weeks. I'm gonna post something here in a bit. Just spotted your post before I got started. I remember you showing me the dog animation last time I was over.

Looking forward to seeing this in action!
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Thanks! You'll have to come down some time. Glad to see you are using DB Pro again.

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You dont have gived up ? dont ya ?

You singature was removed by mod because it was too cool..
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Have you released a demo yet?

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Why don't you make another set of images which you texture to a plain at the same time as you animat the dog. For these images have a darker version of the sand instead of the dog texture with the background black. Then you could just set transparency on, and not have it ghosted

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