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Geek Culture / [LOCKED] Final Fantasy VII Sucks

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Drew G
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Posted: 5th Jun 2006 01:47
Yes, you read the title correct, now mods, before you continue, hear this out.

Final Fantasy VII is not your high school sweetheart just because it was the first one to break your heart doesn't mean that better games wont come along. In fact, FF VII's major lasting contribution to gaming(besides making nerds cry0 is the prettiest male villian in history. Seriously, you'd think the FF gang was dressed entireky of clothes left over from Duran Duran's 1984 world tour. And what is Cloud doing while the fashionable yet feminine Sephiroth is destroying the world? Decorating weapons with jewelry, talking to a stuffed animal and making birds do it. Hey you cant ruch heroism...especially when your most powerful magic attacks clock in at a full minute. It's a sad day when watching a metallic space-dragon incirate an entire hemisphere i just boring. Oh and "One Winged Angel" is a Carmina Burana rip-pff. Deal with it."

See, for once we have justification. So you can't call me a noob for no reason this time.
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Yes we can.

Your a noob.


This thread has about the usefulness as a packet of softmints on the planet Mars.

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Having not beaten a single FF game, I can't honestly say I know what he's talking about. But I don't like Turn Based combat dammit!

So uh...yeah.


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Posted: 5th Jun 2006 01:50 Edited at: 5th Jun 2006 01:51
Prepare to be eaten.


Not that I have anything against your arguments, but I'm pretty sure you're messing with dangerous forces here...

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Posted: 5th Jun 2006 01:54
I think I speak for everyone when I say this:

No.

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Posted: 5th Jun 2006 01:54 Edited at: 5th Jun 2006 01:57
Maybe he means Final Fantasy sucks.

In all fairness, I would like to point out that the FF characters dress too funky to be taken seriously in combat. And the hair! Doesn't it get messed up?


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Posted: 5th Jun 2006 01:57
*Sigh*

Dude all your "justifications" suck. None of those reasons make FFVII a bad game. You're just making yourself look stupid. This is clearly a lame attempt for attention, so I'm not even going to bother to explain why you are so very wrong.

One Winged Angel is a masterpiece, second only to Liberi Fatali (in my opinion, of course).

On a side note, most hardcore FF fans suck when it comes to observation. I saw an entire argument on some forums a while back over whether Tifa and Cloud are married in AC. No one bothered to notice that Tifa's "Wedding ring" was on the wrong hand...

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It doesn't suck, you just don't understand it.

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Posted: 5th Jun 2006 01:59 Edited at: 5th Jun 2006 02:00
Good man! Glad to see you learned something.


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Posted: 5th Jun 2006 02:33
Quote: "Hey you cant ruch heroism"


You can't rush spell checking either.

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Posted: 5th Jun 2006 02:39
Quote: "Seriously, you'd think the FF gang was dressed entireky of clothes left over from Duran Duran's 1984 world tour. And what is Cloud doing while the fashionable yet feminine Sephiroth is destroying the world? Decorating weapons with jewelry, talking to a stuffed animal and making birds do it."


That was the gayest statement I've heard on these forums. Oh, My, Gosh, look at his butt. No no no sweetheart you need to wear something tighter, yes much tighter.

Your just a little crud starter. I can tell this because A. This isn't the first time you've posted worthless sh!t here, B. Because well, you wrote it and C. Because the WAY in which you wrote it. It was totally intended to start crap. So now I'm flinging some back.

Go get lost somewhere. (Polite way of saying go die)

Oh, and by the way. FFVII doesn't suck . I think the problem is you blow.
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Posted: 5th Jun 2006 02:39
I told him this thread would suck.


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Quote: "On a side note, most hardcore FF fans suck when it comes to observation. I saw an entire argument on some forums a while back over whether Tifa and Cloud are married in AC. No one bothered to notice that Tifa's "Wedding ring" was on the wrong hand...
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Not to mention that Cloud isn't truly ready to move ahead from the memory of Aerith, and that he just seems inept at having relationships as a whole in the film until later.

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Posted: 5th Jun 2006 03:23
What the heck is Final Fantasy?

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It's like Phantasy Star, only spelled properly and with 50% less retards.


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Posted: 5th Jun 2006 03:34 Edited at: 5th Jun 2006 03:35
neither you, nor Benjamin make an appearace.

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Posted: 5th Jun 2006 03:36
Must be pretty boring in that case. Well, it would be fine without just Megaton, but without me too?!

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Posted: 5th Jun 2006 03:36
Drew G, I believe I understand your problem. You come on this forum because you think game making is cool. You read every thread, then you start to get bored. After 30 minutes of clicking back and forth, you get REALLY bored, so you start posting your own threads. However, since you aren't making any games, you don't have anything relevant to say. So instead, you make crap up.

Saying that Final Fantasy sucks is kind of like saying Star Trek sucks. Sure, you may think so, and you might even be able to back it up by pointing out small things you don't like, but having that opinion doesn't change its success. Nor does it give you 1/100000000000th of the wealth generated by either. FFVII was certainly ground breaking and successful, and nothing you can say can change that.

If you don't like it, then go make a game that's better.


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Benjamin is in there somewhere as an end-level boss.


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Posted: 5th Jun 2006 03:39
That is DrewG?

Didn't he have that kinda strange face as an avitar... what was it that he wip'ed again?

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Posted: 5th Jun 2006 03:41
If your going to quote from a magizine, at least give mention of it.
It is from Game Informer Issue 158 page 42. Section that they flamed very popular games(Mario,Zelda,Metal Gear,etc)with very stupid reasons.

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No."


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A. It's one of the highest-selling PS1 games ever made
B. It's one of the highest-selling console games of all time (top ten)
C. It has brilliant story development and character archs
D. It's UNIQUE, IE, you're not killing Nazis, Zombies, or Aliens like you do in almost every other game
E. Just because you can't beat a game doesn't mean it sucks. In most cases, it makes it better
F. Name a single game to come out of Japan where the characters aren't a tad-bit queer

And I'm willing to say all of that because their facts, AND admit that I disklike Final Fantasy because (A) I don't like turn-based combat, (B) I don't like RPG's in general, (C)I bullet things too much, and finally (D) I don't like games that take 50+ hours to play where most of that time isn't wasted on blowing up cars. Your arguement was extremely weak strong bad.


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Did you ever notice how most Final Fantasy game have lead characters that are blonde with really messy hair? And the lead girl is a brunette with longer hair?

Just take a look at pictures from FF12, and here we go again! The same old same old!

I like turn-based games, and I like realtime games.

If you think FF7 sucks, go right ahead! Don't expect to change other people's minds with hostility.
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Quote: "(besides making nerds cry0"

It seriously took me about 5 minutes to figure out that was a typo and was about to tell you you didn't have a )

[on topic]
FFVII was probably the best ps1 game i ever owned and if i still had a ps1 memory card i would probably be playing it right now(i miss it)

I love the game but still like to make fun of a few things


Now you have this huge overly massive sword so how the crap do you not kill them it is like "limit breaker!!!(the cut in half one)....critical hit!...-2 damage"
and I'm quite sure if you saw someone coming toward you you would try to dodge it or block it or something not just sit their waiting for your "turn"


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Posted: 5th Jun 2006 06:14
never heard of the game so i guess im goin with you:it sucks

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Oh, you did not just take a stab at Duran Duran!


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Posted: 5th Jun 2006 06:39
What about sparkling mince meat and Cuiry? It had about as much fortitude as Spring Clean and it's sequels, although those games are MPR's. Also, he had it bought at E3's special booht (spelling mistake intentional).

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Posted: 5th Jun 2006 07:01
Sometimes I wish DrewG would just go play Real-Life Frogger on a very busy highway. To add to the fun, do it barefoot in the middle of summer with your feet covered in lighter fluid.

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Posted: 5th Jun 2006 08:46 Edited at: 5th Jun 2006 09:59
I don't think the pavement is hot enough to ignite the fluid...

Either way, wish no harm on others for they may do harm on you.



And I agree with the original poster... FF7 must suck, even though I have never played it this logic is unpeccable... lol

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Uh... I'm sorry, but I believe someone hasn't heard of Final Fantasy as much as I believe Bush is really our president after the 2000 election... it's highly unlikely Final Fantasy is one of (if not the) most popular RPG series' in history. Period. I'd be hard-pressed to think of a series of role playing games that's moved as many units that wasn't played on paper with dice by losers who believe in magic and wish for a girlfriend every night and are covered in zits. No offense to people with zits

(Sorry for the outburt against Dungeons and Dragons fans... I just think it's a pretty lame way to waste a bunch of time. There was a kid in my high school who referred to himself as "the dragon master." He actually threatened me to a "duel" (yes, he used that word) when I called him a dork. He wore a cape to school and had three weird little goofball cohorts with whom he'd play dungeons and dragons in the study hall... every day, day-in-day-out. He actually dropped out of high school to play that stupid game and to this day he still wears that goofy cape... that is, when he isn't flipping burgers for a living, at 26 years old. Every time I think of dungeons and dragons I think of that weirdo and giggle hysterically )


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Quote: "There was a kid in my high school who referred to himself as "the dragon master." He actually threatened me to a "duel" (yes, he used that word) when I called him a dork. He wore a cape to school and had three weird little goofball cohorts with whom he'd play dungeons and dragons in the study hall... every day, day-in-day-out. He actually dropped out of high school to play that stupid game and to this day he still wears that goofy cape... that is, when he isn't flipping burgers for a living, at 26 years old."


And I thought I was a geek...

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Posted: 5th Jun 2006 12:35
i think personaly that Final Fantasy Rules!

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The begin is boring indeed,

later on it becomes great!(For FF fans)

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Posted: 5th Jun 2006 13:07 Edited at: 5th Jun 2006 13:08
Quote: "the goverment are going to be the death of each and every one of us..."


Wow, your so political you can't even type this statement correctly... Learn to use your helping verbs, dammit!

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Posted: 5th Jun 2006 13:13
He thinks the navy seals rules and final fantasy sucks majorly, he's hot headed and makes a thread declaring what he doesn't like about it, I got a good picture of this guy...


You may not like Final Fantasy yourself, but many people do, including myself, the strangeness you do find in it is due the fact its anime based, anime characters have always been weird, but that doesn't make it less of a great game, you can hate it if you want because you can't like everything but jeez the sad thing is you made a thread about it giving no justification as of why you think it sucks. Oh and... We can all easily say SOCOM is the worst game in the world, heck I don't think its much of a game worth buying myself.

Quote: "See, for once we have justification. So you can't call me a noob for no reason this time."


What justification? You don't like the song, the clothes and a dragon? Plus you're right, I can't call you a noob, I think noob is such a dumb word, the word I would use would get me a newb slap.

So really what exactly was the point of this thread other than an attempt to p*ss off FF fans on the forum? Pathetic...

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Posted: 5th Jun 2006 13:41 Edited at: 5th Jun 2006 13:42
Well, typically when wanting to communicate a message - especially one of such importance to the world as "the goverment are going to be the death of each and every one of us..." - you'll want to be very grammatical about it. This, in turn, would create a very simple understanding of said message.

Besides, who are going to take a person, who can't even use the correct helping verbs to help people perceive his point, seriously?

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I realise this is a bit of a sidetrack, however.

I play D&D (and several other pen and paper rpgs) There - I'm a girl, with a (very) good job that I enjoy enourmously - I don't wear a cape and I've a reasonable complexion. Heck - I even occasionally live action roleplay - that's right, dressing up as my character and run around the forest/pub pretending to be someone else.

It's ACE fun - like rl mmorpgs but less people gank because you're more likely to actually stab them in the face.

You may now continue to berate DrewG for his attention-seeking thread.
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Quote: "Besides, who are going to take a person, who can't even use the correct helping verbs to help people perceive his point, seriously?"

<insert Bush joke here>

EDIT:
@ Tinkergirl: I too play DnD and I have a very healthy social life (which doesn't involve d20 or Gygax). I've also had a couple friends into that real life cosplay roleplaying, and I think its really awesome how you can get a bunch of people to do something that most people aren't comfortable with doing. I would probably do it too, provided I had time and there was a half decent place around here to do it, but alas the only place is 30 minutes from here, and I think they've about 7 members or something small like that, and even still its fairly inactive other than DnD and LAN parties, haha. Still though, theres much worse people to be thinking down about like rapists and pedofiles, rather than people who play Dungeons and Dragons, and it seems like everyone is down on that game without having played or knowing more than 2 people who plays/played it. Ah well, such is ignorance that some people have.

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silly goose you know girls can't post in forums I mean forums have the posibilty that a poll might take place and everyone knows girls can't vote
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When I was like 8 I played those games sometimes[reflects on past]

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Quote: "See, for once we have justification. So you can't call me a noob for no reason this time. "


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Quote: "since when does political, and grammer have anything to do with each other?"

Good point... I could list off at least ten politicians who have a very poor grasp on the english language. One them is even the President of the United States of America! You can make it far in politics while having the expansive vocabulary of Tarzan... it's been proven!

Quote: "I play D&D (and several other pen and paper rpgs) There - I'm a girl, with a (very) good job that I enjoy enourmously - I don't wear a cape and I've a reasonable complexion. Heck - I even occasionally live action roleplay - that's right, dressing up as my character and run around the forest/pub pretending to be someone else."

But you dress up to play... don't you wear a cape when you do that? When you're doing that, you're like that kid, but with less zits and you're far less of a dork. If you did that 24/7 as he did, then I wouldn't be able to talk to you anymore But seriously folks, I love the GTA series, but I don't wear hawaiian shirts and pretend to jack cars... that's just a wee bit too hardcore for me

Quote: "I think its really awesome how you can get a bunch of people to do something that most people aren't comfortable with doing."

I agree. Like the time I got some cherry punch and snack foods together and invited all of the hottest people I know over for a [expletive sentences deleted] and it was HILARIOUS because this donkey showed up and [expletive sentences deleted] with a big [expletive sentences deleted] and it ended up RIGHT in the punch bowl! Good times

edit: Thanks for the setup matty lol


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Quote: "I don't wear a cape "


ahh,
well i do wear a cape!(ON SCHOOL???)

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FF13 is going to be realtime combat anyway.
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Quote: "Heck - I even occasionally live action roleplay - that's right, dressing up as my character and run around the forest/pub pretending to be someone else.

It's ACE fun - like rl mmorpgs but less people gank because you're more likely to actually stab them in the face.
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That sounds so much more fun than it should...

I'm too self conscious for that stuff though.

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Quote: "But you dress up to play... don't you wear a cape when you do that?"


Nope - never worn a cape to any of those things. I did Vampire live action which involved a lot of black trenchcoats and pvc, but never a cape. Did some other genre's: fantasy, Mage, and almost went to a Firefly one last weekend, I would have gone as a technician, trader or companion - hadn't decided).

If it makes you happier, you can think about it as improvisational drama - but really, it's just cops and robbers for grownups. When you were little, games like that taught you stuff - the cops always have to win, because robbers are bad, etc. Companies do roleplay for training sessions "Right, Andy - you can be 'The Customer'..." and writers and actors are constantly trying to 'get inside the mind' of their characters - so I like the short controlled bursts of being someone else for a while.

I'm less interested in throwing little bits of paper at each other while shouting "FIREBALL!!!" than I am roleplaying out the effects of terror in someone faced with something supernaturally horrifying, etc.

@Saikoro: You're quite right - in a world with rapists and murderers, D&D and other rpgs really are the least of your worries. I've always found most roleplayers to be very decent people - sure, some of them play 'evil' characters - but they expect and look forward to being foiled by the good guys in game. Generally, rpers have a very developed sense of justice - what do you expect being raised on a diet of heros, villians and quests

*please note, if you know of a sick twisted roleplayer, then that doesn't make all roleplayers sick and twisted - just as I know non-roleplayers who are sick and twisted, I don't class all non-rpers as sick and twisted. Exception to every rule, and all that.
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Quote: "When you were little, games like that taught you stuff - the cops always have to win, because robbers are bad, etc."

Not really. I didn't learn anything because my older brother ALWAYS made me be the robber youth

Quote: "Companies do roleplay for training sessions "Right, Andy - you can be 'The Customer'..." "

I HATE doing those! They NEVER let me be the guy holding up the store And the criminal never shoots everyone in the store and makes off with the cash... he's always respectful and whatnot so long as you don't spit in his face or push the alarm button. I'd make a way better crook than the stupid loss prevention guy

I dunno... I think it would be more fun if you used real weapons and people actually died. Then it'd be a form of population control, and a fun one at that! First up to bat? Dragon Master and people like him I genuinely don't feel sorry for that kid, even though some people think I'm a jerkface for saying that: He doesn't dress like that because people pick on him, people pick on him because he dresses like that... and lacks any aspirations or motivations to boot they need to have a special area in each subway station where you're allowed to push people onto the "special" track just to keep them from breeding Not that I think that kid ever will, lol. But sorry role playing people for the stereotype... I didn't realize cool people did it too (probably because tinkergirl and saikoro are the first cool people who've admitted to doing it)


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@Strong Bad

All you did was rant. If your gonna convince someone a game sucks why not try to talk about how bad the game play is, the battle system, level design, audio stuff like that. If you used those kinds of examples I think your opinion would be better received. Saying it sucks just cause you think it’s gay and have no good reason as to why, doesn't really help your cause.
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Nah your, um, friend Dragon Master sounds genuinely ill. There's a line - just as there is between being a fan, and being a stalker.

And don't be labeling me 'cool'!! What will all my geek friends say!?!
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Posted: 5th Jun 2006 23:29
D&D people need to be all placed in a cave for 3 generations.


It's like a Megaton Cat radar, 24 hours a day.

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