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Gil Galvanti
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Hey, I searched, and there was a thread that was back in 2003 about a request for private messaging, and everyone said it would be a good idea, but obviously we still don't have it. Why not? Every other forum I go to has it, and it's useful, because often times you wan't to just contact one person. It'd prevent these "for so-and-so" threads. I know theres such thing as email, but people don't always check their emails or put their emails, and often unknown names go to spam. It'd just be much more convenient to have a PM system. So, anyone else besides me think its a good idea?

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Saikoro
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I would like it indeed. I know Cash likes to privately tell people when he disagrees with something rather than publicly announce it, and other people like it too, so it would be helpful in that respect.


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Torsten Sorensen
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PMing isn't original on these forums.

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Saikoro
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Quote: "PMing isn't original on these forums."


Ermm.... exactly?


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Oddmind
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haha that would be one more thing for rich to code

I think it would be nice but usually people have more than one form of contact listed, I usually dont have a problem getting in touch with people.

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Gil Galvanti
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Posted: 28th Jun 2006 18:39
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so is there a reason we don't have them, Rich?

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RalphY
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Personally I would love the feature where you hover your mouse over the title of a thread and it pops up the first few lines of the first post in a box. Saves you having to load up a thread only to find its nothing to do with what you thought it was.
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Fallout
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If we have a PM system I would like a checkbox entitled "Auto-delete all messages from noobs".

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Lukas W
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pros:
People can start PM other people, asking for help with code etc. which can be very handy for the writer.

cons:
People may start PM other people, asking for help with code etc. which can be very annoying to the reader.

but i agree with Saikoro.

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Gil Galvanti
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Posted: 28th Jun 2006 19:26
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But even if there are annoying PM's, all we have to do is click a checkbox next to them and click delete .

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Fallout
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Posted: 28th Jun 2006 20:11
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I think there should be a PM probation period too. In the same way your posts are approved for x number of days/posts, I dont think you should have PM access for x number of days. Perhaps 1 month membership or something.

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re faze
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that's what the aim/msn boxes are for.

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Posted: 28th Jun 2006 21:21
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Quote: "that's what the aim/msn boxes are for."


I'd say it's more what the email box is for - aim/msn won't help you much if the person you're trying to talk to is never on at the same time as you (work/school/commitments/timezones etc).

I'd be 'for' PMs, but definitely with the trial period (i.e. no PM until you can edit).

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Fallout
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Posted: 28th Jun 2006 22:10
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Quote: "that's what the aim/msn boxes are for."


No way dude! With regard to MSN and PMing, getting PMed by someone you don't want to talk to is definitely the lesser of two evils. There's a reason why I removed my MSN from this site years a go. I like to use my MSN to get work done and therefore try to only have people on it that I need to speak to. PMing is definitely better than then MSN button.

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MikeS
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1.) e-mail is the exact same thing.
2.) It'd be impossible/difficult to moderate private messages

I just don't think a PM system is that important anymore.



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i think if someon't happy to recieve pm's then they'll have an email button, otherwise they probably don't want pestered in the first place.
an optional pm might be good, then you can disable it but people with it enabled don't have to put up with email spam.

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Gil Galvanti
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Posted: 29th Jun 2006 00:30
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Quote: "1.) e-mail is the exact same thing."

but, like i said, not everyone puts their email, unknown emails often go to spam, and PM's would be like a personal TGC email .
Quote: "2.) It'd be impossible/difficult to moderate private messages"

But i don't see why would you'd need to? People can just delete them if they aren't wanted with the push of a button.

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Fallout
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Yeah, moderating PMs is like the FBI tapping a private phone line. I think Mike must be working for THEM. *shudders*

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indi
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Posted: 29th Jun 2006 04:46
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I don't think TGC has the time to invest coding something that is clearly covered with successful software like IM's and email.

I would prefer they focus on delivering game making software.

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Drew G
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Fine indi, keep your Aussie antics. We were thinking of a great idea but it always seems to get hammered by a mod. Well, they were thinking of that idea, not me. Though I would totally agree to having it justified as a way to distract us forumers.
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indi
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Posted: 29th Jun 2006 06:16
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be careful mate, your attitude recently has declined for the worse.

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Drew G
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Quote: "be careful mate, your attitude recently has declined for the worse."

Mmkay Mate, surely mate, I understand what you are saying, mate. That with my previous posts, I have been so called "redirected" to some barbie site. I wonder what they are all talking about. But for that matter, and what Rich posted on the Mod-can-see-only board, I actually have had a break from these forums. Sure it was hard to miss, but still, Rich, that was a clever trick, mate. Mate, you need to teach me that sometime.

Seriously, I think that it would be very logical and understandable to justify a PMing type code into these perfectly coded forums. However, this my opinion against anyone else who may disagree with me.
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Mattman
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Posted: 29th Jun 2006 06:27
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How about you have to go into someone's profile, and set them as your friend, and once two people set each other as friends, messages can be sent between them. Sound like a good plan?

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Drew G
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That could work, I mean, I don't see how this whole PMing thing could be an issue, after all, the only real issue would be time and experience with this particular type of coding.
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Quote: "email"


Email doesn't replace PM in a forum. In an e-mail, you don't know who it's actually from, whether or not to spam-block it, or what it's about. In a PM, you see that it's from a forum member (which narrows down the list of people quite alot) and you know that it must be something that relates to the forum, darkbasic, etc.

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indi
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if you keep up the attitude a perm ban from your isp will solve your problems here.

wasting peoples time clearly shows you lack respect for others, and we dont have to tolerate your immature nonsense.

your not helping yourself getting offside with mods or users, all thats going to happen if you persist, is you will be ejected from one of the decent places on the net.

not many people will want to help you if all you do is talk crap and act retarded.
losing respect amongst your peers is the worst part of this whole tragedy to you only.

your call kid, dig your own hole, or pull your head in and share some input through hard work and learning.

your entitled to an opinion, but dont mistake it for an excuse to be a naughty little boy.

how about you go and be productive, instead of annoying forum dwellers and mods alike.
try and make a small game, build some media, make a 3d model, just do something productive.

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PowerSoft
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To be honest though making a rudimentry PM system isn't rocket science, one can be knocked up in a few minutes. It's not that hard.

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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 00:56 Edited at: 30th Jun 2006 00:58
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and obviously, like Matto said, a system where people could allow or block others would be a must.

I think pm's here would be a good thing and rich could offload the coding to another person here or a small group willing to code it up for free.

I would be interested but im guessing it requires java or php or some other web technology, I currently only use ASP.NET for web so I may not be the best fit for the job - if it became a job

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Matt Rock
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Wow, did everyone see that? Indi got Strong Bad to shut it. I didn't think anyone ever would, shy of Rich carpet bombing his house with an SAS plane of course Way to go indi

I like and hate the idea of PM's on TGC at the same time. I like the idea because I'd love to have the ability to bother benjamin with my contant onslaught of multiplayer questions, or trade music stuff with Saikoro, or argue with Jeku after a thread has been locked And my little kudos to Indi would have been better-suited to being sent via pm, too. But I hate the idea because I'm 99% sure that some new person is going to send us all pm's about some roxxorz l33t MMORPG project that we must join asap, where we'd do all of the work for it. After finally getting it under control in the forums (for the most part), that would just open up a brand new avenue for spamming. And it might be harder for moderators to keep tabs on what people are saying and doing through pm's, so there'd need to be a system in place to help prevent that. What I'd really love is a TGC e-mail addres Mattrock@thegamecreators.com < how totally awesome would my businessy e-mails looks then? But I understand how impossible that would be so I won't get my hopes up, hehe.


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CattleRustler, that is a valid point. Let the community contribute, become involved. I for one would be willing to offer assistance as I continously develop my PM System.

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Posted: 30th Jun 2006 11:46
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matt rock, i think you will find he got banned again, but not by my left hand.

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lol Indi, was it your right hand? Well, to whoever did it, thank you kindly. If he's ever allowed back in, I sincerely hope he learns that we're a great community and one of the last little bastions of coolness on the net. I might rant and rave (too often), but I don't flame, and I do my best to contribute to the community in any way I can, and that's not a lot to ask for... it's the least someone can do, and we can only pray that he'll learn from this and try to be more adult about things. I'll never understand why people act that way.

Again, you'd need to moderate PM's for a number of reasons. You'd have to make sure people weren't spamming team requests, or attacking someone's race/ gender/ sexual preference/ religious beliefs, or otherwise trying to knock down the AUP. TGC has one of the best fire departments on the internet (at least of all the forums I go to) and keeping the flaming to a minimum is a good way to keep the site helpful and informative. So if that stuff could be monitored, I'd be all for PM's, but I certainly wouldn't want to be the one who had to do that monitoring, because it won't be an easy task to do, shy of using a parser that hunts down bad stuff and messaging moderators to read more into that particular pm, and maybe offering some method of reporting people who perpetrate evil in the messaging system.


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Why not just block the words that you don't want in a team request like a cesnored list then?

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We need a PM system as many are saying. The reasons have already been stated. It may not be possible to contact certain members in other ways (eg: I need to contact RPGamer/John about E.D but he doesn't have an e-mail or im user name available). That's only the tip of the ice-burg. Most forums have the feature anyways, making this one look rather ... archaic.

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Gil Galvanti
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So, since almost everyone likes the idea, why can't we have it?

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I think (dont quote me), that rich said he was adding it in v2! The mystical open source Apollo v2

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Quote: "So, since almost everyone likes the idea, why can't we have it?"

Ditto it'd be great just add a word filter and disable images in pms no big deal

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Quote: "lol Indi, was it your right hand?"

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Quote: "Why not just block the words that you don't want in a team request like a cesnored list then?"


MOD EDIT:

DON'T BE A DORK

Quote: "the optional filter should only be avalible to 16+ though"

I can get a two yearold to say he is 17.

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Yeah, how're you gonna get verification? I think the reason alot of people don't have their contact info is because they don't want to be contacted. They keep a close group of friends on the forums already whom they converse with on MSN etc so chances are whatever email they recieve from a stranger on these forums is going to be asking for help or a team request.


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are you gulible enough to always put your real age down? I have to say... I have never put my real age down on any website besides the ones that need it for charging. I learned that when I was 12.
Websites ask for your age so they can punish you for being young.


I would also imagine that if the parents did anything, they would have taught their kids to make alias' and to not give their age out. Of course, don't expect them to always follow through but point has been made.

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Agreed... but releasing it probally should be upto the mods. They can 'judge' our age a lot better.

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Yah, I'd be interested in helping with a pm messenging system. I haven't made on yet, but I know how to goes abouts in making one I'm sure. So, I agree! let teh community help!

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Nice job getting around the swear filter Merranvo, and for that a 1-week slap.

Just because you know how to do it doesn't mean you have to prove it.


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Quote: " Nice job getting around the swear filter Merranvo, and for that a 1-week slap."


That definitely made my evening.

Just goes to show you what kind of morons the NJL has on their side.


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Quote: "Just because you know how to do it doesn't mean you have to prove it."


Well it is easy as hell, those who don't know how to do it obviously haven't tried. The point was that filters don't do crap. There is always a way around them and there is so way to stop it.

Besides... there really aren't any true "swear" words are there? They are just words that society made into bad words for no reason what-so-ever.

Quote: "Just goes to show you what kind of morons the NJL has on their side."

Obviously you haven't read my banner.

"The NJL, nooby banner, nooby posts, join the war" I mean, seriously... it is a Noob Justice League what do you EXPECT from it?

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You know... what irks me about the post aprovial system isn't that you have to wait for your posts. It is that no one know you posted. It is rather obvious that the reason a persons name doesn't instantly show in the "last person posted" is because the post hasn't been aproved. But aprovial is just a slight variable change. The post is already there... just deleted. Aproving it mearly causes the deleted post to become visible, what would be hard about making that function change the "viewed thread" status as well?

I understand that there would be a little more work as you would have to reference the my sql table to see if there is a post ahead but after that, where is the biggest trouble?

And personally, because I do not believe the post aproval system works due to the fact that I have seen numerious threads about cracks and piracy emerge from new users, I include a little word e d i t e d just to see if anyone cares. I understand that as moderators you all 'read' hundreds of new posts. How many of those posts are a page long? Heck, most of the posts made by new users might be a small paragraph, most certainly not uman length posts. If as forum members we can read such posts, what makes it difficult to read it as a moderator?

Thank you for your time, if you did read this. I will know soon enough.

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Oh man, stop whining.


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