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Wow Curtis, with all of the terrible things going on in the world, this is the thing that bothers you... me thinking that walkthroughs are stupid. Not homicidal presidents, or starvation, or pestilence/ plague. Not the planet being two-steps shy of a third world war. Not genocides in Africa, or global warming, or Paris Hilton being in movies, or any of the other terrifying, aweful, horrendous things that are happening in the world today. Matt Rock thinks walkthroughs are lazy... STOP THE PRESS! Call in the national guard! Fortify the lines! Call 911! The end is near! Seriously, you're being rediculous.

I hate walkthroughs, I've never needed one even when stuck on some pretty raunchy levels, and I'll never use one, and I think it's lazy to buy a Prima book the instant you buy a new game because finding all 100 hidden packages in Vice City is waaay to complex for some people. Gaming was the most elite of nerdy activities back in the day, and people used to be proud of beating games. And if you've ever beaten a game and you weren't proud of being able to get through the whole thing, then chances are you were using a walkthrough I don't like walkthroughs, I don't like people telling me how movies end, I don't like reading the sequel to a book before I read the first one. I work for the win, some people apparently don't, and I pity you. lol I can do this forever Curtis It's so easy to get under your skin, I love it

You see, and that's where you sound lame. I don't understand model railroads, but there are thousands out there who spend hours building them.

For me, 50% of the time I play games I *don't* want a challenge. I'm not a real gamer? Padded walls and the whole nine yards? I really could care less.

I'm playing through Prey on the 360, and I enjoy how they don't punish you for dying--- your gameplay experience seemlessly goes between the real world and the dead world, so you're not constantly saving/loading. I don't think the game is much of a challenge--- it's more like exploration and figuring out the environments.

Same with GTA--- I *prefer* to just drive around all crazy and see how long it takes the cops to stop me, instead of going through all the inane missions (the lame remote controlled helicopter mission comes to mind).

Games like Black make me not want to trust games anymore--- they artificially built a game extender in by sending you back to the beginning of a level when you quit and reload your game. Some of these levels can take close to an hour to get through. This kind of challenge is NOT fun for me.

I just find it hilarious how you think you're qualified to judge every gamer by your own likes/dislikes. This is called conceit

EDIT:

And quit changing your stance. You went from saying *all* people who use cheats are evil to saying it's bad if you buy a Prima walkthrough the second you buy a game. Big difference.

Ummm... I think you missed my point entirely. My point is that I don't care at all about walkthroughs or people that use them. It's just video games.

I don't use walkthroughs either. And I don't tell the ending of a movie. And I never read the sequel before I read the first book. So, on the core issue, we actually agree.

The difference, however, is that I don't judge people on whether or not they use a walkthrough. Slightly annoying, yes. But I don't invest myself in that opinion any more than that. Why? Who cares? You do, but I don't.


I don't understand this statement. You work for the win, some people don't, and you pity me? I really don't see what you're getting at. I've already told you that I don't use walkthoughs, so this must just be a cheap shot without a real point. I guess that's classic Matt Rock.


You're not under my skin. I'm just picking on you because of your ridiculous take on walkthroughs and gamers that use them.

Just chill out. None of it is a big deal. I give you a hard time, with clever sarcasm mixed in, and you reply with insults. Simply not necessary.

Hey, it's not like conceit is a sin or anything is it my fault I can't be stopped by any game I've ever played? No, that's genetics my friend okay, now THAT was conceit Anyway, I just don't see the point in playing games without a challenge, and I never will. I can't imagine paying $50 for a game that I'll just play "casually." That's probably why I don't like Bejeweled. To me, every time I fire up Battlefield it's sport, it's war, "pack your lunch because we're going to town pal." For me, owning a game and pwning a game go hand-in-hand... if I buy it, I'm planning on beating it, and I don't want someone to explain to me how to go about it either. If you're going to drive around blowing crap up in GTA, fine, use a cheat code if that's your thing, but if you're going to make yourself invincible just to beat missions, then that's pretty lame imo, and there's a lot of people out there who do that, and I'll never understand why/ how.


I NEVER changed my stance. Not once, and I beg you to find any point where I did. This all started off with me talking about how lame cheat codes are, and I *vaguely* mentioned walkthroughs as being lame, but I didn't say "they're always lame all of the time." In fact, if you go back to page 1 and re-read what I said, I said:

Then I said...

Then I said...

And then finally, I said...

That was the first serious mention of walkthroughs that I made, and my opinion hasn't changed one iota since then.


Ugh, misunderstood yet again. Not you in particular, the people who use them. It's 5:13 in the morning so I guess I'm not wording things the way I should.


I do, and that's what makes us different. I judge people who use walkthroughs, I judge people who voted for Bush, I judge people who drive big gas-guzzling cars for ruining the environment, I judge teenagers for their lack of respecting older stuff. I'm vocal with my opinions and I'm hated for that

I didn't turn this into a debate/ arguement, I just said my opinion and got slammed for it. And yet I always seem to take the blame for every fight that takes place on TGC, even though it doesn't make much sense. From a vague comment on how stupid I think cheats and walkthroughs are, Jake argued with me, which can be expected because he and I argue all of the time... I've done the same thing to him countless times. But ugh, I'm getting sick of constantly fighting these very one-sided battles all of the time, but I can't just *not* say my opinion, because why should I be less-entitled than anyone else? I hate that I'm labeled the TGC radical because my opinions are different than everyone elses It's getting rediculous. If I say I like Coke, some rabid Pepsi fan is going to leap out of the woodwork knowing I'll take the bait and start a huge arguement with me. Too bad vanilla fans, I like mint-chocolate ice cream and YOU CAN'T STOP ME!!! But hey, at least it's a comfort in knowing I'll never be asked to be a moderator lol

(a comfort because that's way more responsibility than I want, and I'm saying this before some mod thinks I'm trying to insult mods or something lol)

You know if somebody ever made a book containing all of the time Matt has gotten into an argument, it might just well be the longest book in the world. Personally, I agree with you totally on the cheats. You shouldn't use them unless you've beaten the game.(unless your a five year old. then its ok) I semi agree with you on the walkthroughs although i do use them on especially hard parts(though not the entire game.) Oh ya and i like mint chocolate and vanilla ice cream.

Argh it's not even worth pointing out where you were ridiculous in this thread--- yet again.

I've already done that several times, and yet you refuse to respond. Ah well, have fun making millions by pissing off your fans

It works for the biggest software companies in the world... Microsoft, EA, Take 2


I think I'm about to overtake Tolstoy's entire collection of works actually

Yes, the bit about dragging people out of their homes and blowing their brains out, that was over-the-top. But I think my opinion is valid and for once I actually have a few people taking my side

@ Ninja: HOW CAN YOU SAY SUCH NONSENSE. You can't like Vanilla AND Mint Chocolate Chip!!! lol I'm kidding before anyone flips out on me