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David T
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Posted: 10th Aug 2006 11:49
Just been reading about the news with Heathrow.

A terrorist plot was foiled during the night where hand baggage would be used to blow up planes. All incoming flights have been cancelled and pas are being hand searched and cannot take anything onto the plane with them (Except bare essentials, wallet + medicine + passport).

I'd like to wish all those currently on holiday or passing through Heathrow in the future a safe journey and hope that the gridlock abates after a few days!

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Posted: 10th Aug 2006 11:59 Edited at: 10th Aug 2006 12:01
Be much easier to take a holiday in the UK- do the economy good too. And besides, with the weather we're having, why go anywhere else ?

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Posted: 10th Aug 2006 12:09 Edited at: 10th Aug 2006 12:09
Yeah, bit of bad news if you are travelling today

LHR will be full of pax getting totally p***ed off right now I would imagine.

Quote: "with the weather we're having, why go anywhere else ?"
O...K.... You are still mentally in July I take it? At the minute it's s***e weather

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Posted: 10th Aug 2006 12:11 Edited at: 10th Aug 2006 12:17
Not here its not =- another very warm and sunny day. A trifle grey, but that'll soon pass. Probably.

You really should get down south more... Sample some decent weather for a change. You know - things that include warm temperatures and no rain. You wont be needing underwater swimming gear here either.

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Posted: 10th Aug 2006 12:37
Quote: "You wont be needing underwater swimming gear here either."


Because there's no water?

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Posted: 10th Aug 2006 12:40
Well, no surface water, anyway...

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Posted: 10th Aug 2006 12:42 Edited at: 10th Aug 2006 12:42
Quote: "You really should get down south more"
I work in Slough. Is pretty southern. Black clouds here (although with AC doesn't make a blind bit of difference), with weather.com saying 17 degrees. Mmmm. Toasty... For Greenland....

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Posted: 10th Aug 2006 12:43 Edited at: 10th Aug 2006 12:45
19C here... So, you got your ski boots on then ? Got the huskies out, ready for the snow ?

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Posted: 10th Aug 2006 12:50
Any colder and I will be making a snowman.

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Posted: 10th Aug 2006 13:01
Dont forget to wrap up warm, whilst others bask in the sun...

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Posted: 10th Aug 2006 13:12
I guess I say good job to the people who foiled the terrorist plot, so congrats to Jack Bauer...Shame about the flyers who had a holiday or a business trip, but its for their own good.

And the weather is turning back to the crappy English weather, glad I'm heading south for my holiday next week, mind you the sun does occasionally come out around here.

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Posted: 10th Aug 2006 13:15
Quote: "whilst others bask in the sun"
Really? I mean under 20 degrees is decent sunny sunbathing weather? Hmmm. Take it you have a thermos stuffed in your pants?

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Posted: 10th Aug 2006 13:48 Edited at: 10th Aug 2006 14:06
Who said anything about sunbathing ? And dont fotget its warmer than where you are...

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Posted: 10th Aug 2006 15:08
It pisses me off when they interview people going on holiday or taking a flight. So many people (especially women!!!) complaining that they can't take their handbags on the plane during this crisis, or that what if their child is sick and they need to change its shirt.

WELL WHAT IF YOU GET BLOWN OUT THE FRIKKEN SKY YOU RETARDS?!?!?!

That's it. Have a go at the security services because they're trying to save your life.

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Quote: "Who said anything about sunbathing "
Um, I normally associate weather hot enough to sunbathe with "Basking". Raining now...

They said that one of the only things allowed on the planes was baby milk, but only if the mother tasted it to prove it wasn't harmful. Guess the suicide part of suicide bomber hasn't registered yet then (ie. they don't really care if the take something that will kill them in X hours time)...

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Posted: 10th Aug 2006 15:42
Quote: "Um, I normally associate weather hot enough to sunbathe with "Basking""

I was using the alternative form :

to take pleasure or derive enjoyment

Still very warm and sunny here - grey clouds have now turned into white fluffy ones. All say ahhh! now

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Posted: 10th Aug 2006 16:01
Ugh, I get to wake up to this. I'm flying non-stop to California in a couple days...

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Posted: 10th Aug 2006 16:04
Quote: "All say ahhh! now"
AAAARRRHHHHH!!!! Close as I can do I'm afraid. Still raining BTW. This is Slough though (look that up in the dictionary; is funny)

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Posted: 10th Aug 2006 16:06
Middle of Essex is still covered in lots of big black clouds - has been all day, but no rain has come out of them. Lovely and warm though.

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Posted: 10th Aug 2006 16:07
Quote: "That's it. Have a go at the security services because they're trying to save your life. "

Amen to that.

When i first saw that they were banning all liquids in carry-ons, I'm like "awww man, thats gonna be one thirsty 4 hour flight to California".

Then the caffiene started kicking in.

"Oh ok, I'll live."

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Posted: 10th Aug 2006 16:29
Quote: "This is Slough though (look that up in the dictionary; is funny)"

True - you poor thing...

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Posted: 10th Aug 2006 16:33
lol. I love how we've just come to accept this new style of terrorism already. The security forces probably foil an unprecedented style of terrorist attack, yet most of the thread is about what is widely regarded as the most mundane subject that has ever been discussed - the weather.

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But its important, after all!

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Posted: 10th Aug 2006 17:23
I don't know, but would I be right in saying it's been 911 days since the Madrid thing? (Which was 911 days after 9/11)

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Posted: 10th Aug 2006 18:20
Date difference between Sept 11th and today: 1794 days

911 * 2 = 1822

so no, not 911 days yet.

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Posted: 10th Aug 2006 18:52
Well, the thing about terror attacks is that it's supposed to inspire terror. Instead, we're more concerned about the weather (important thing, in Britain, after all - to carry a brolly or not, that is the question...).

Thus, terror failed. Rain, on the other hand - that'll cause people to run in fear any day.

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Posted: 10th Aug 2006 19:32
Well the UK has had terrorism for much longer than countries such as the US, so we've kind of got used to it.

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Posted: 10th Aug 2006 19:49
Quote: "I love how we've just come to accept this new style of terrorism already"


Quote: "Well the UK has had terrorism for much longer than countries such as the US, so we've kind of got used to it"
Thats what I was going to say. When I moved to the south (near London) in 1995 I was amazed how laid back people were about the IRA bombings (every Xmas in London it seemed). It was amazing how the recent underground bombings scared the s**t out of everyone about going to London. Mainly because we hadn't seen anything like it so close to home for many years.

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Posted: 10th Aug 2006 21:17 Edited at: 10th Aug 2006 21:17
Just yesterday, 11 forgien high-schoolers were missing from their classes, which was breaking some kind of forgien exchange student law. They had tons of flights scheduled to go all over the place. So far two of them have been arested.

And this the day before a terrorist plot is foiled...

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Posted: 10th Aug 2006 21:41 Edited at: 10th Aug 2006 21:43
Quote: "WELL WHAT IF YOU GET BLOWN OUT THE FRIKKEN SKY YOU RETARDS?!?!?! "

Whatever, I would *love* to see a terrorist try and hijack a plane that I'm on with some tweezers or a nail file. You wanna crash into something ***hole? How's about your face crashing into the floor 30 or 40 times. See? Terrorist loses, I'm a hero, lady can pluck her eyebrows and file her nails... everyone wins Well, everyone except Dingleberry the Terrorist And I'm a decent pilot in Microsoft Flight Simulator lol. Yeah, not the same thing as flying a real plane, but the cockpit layouts are as realistic as possible, and it's only a matter of arming the autopilot, contacting the ATC, and letting them know I'm a civilian without a pilot's license who needs an ILS autopilot approach So yeah, bring it on terrorist


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Unfortunately Matt I think it's a lot more complex than that. I'd love it if it weren't, flying by autopilot is rather impressive and very easy too. But the folks over at airliners.net discuss the issue regularly (as they are wont to do, I suppose) and apparently it's not so easy.

Yes - tweezers and nail files aren't that lethal at all. But a bottle of sprite emptied and filled with hydrochloric acid is quite effective at disarming people.

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Posted: 10th Aug 2006 22:30 Edited at: 10th Aug 2006 22:31
Quote: "Unfortunately Matt I think it's a lot more complex than that. I'd love it if it weren't, flying by autopilot is rather impressive and very easy too. But the folks over at airliners.net discuss the issue regularly (as they are wont to do, I suppose) and apparently it's not so easy."

But you and I both know the procedures for autopilot control. I mean, most people think it's just a matter of hitting a button and that's not really the case, but I think I could figure it out And if there isn't a pilot or an Air Marshall on the plane to land it, I'd rather give it my best shot than let some other idiot crash us, because there's a good chance I know a lot more about planes than the others do, you know?

Quote: "But yeah, all they need is one little explosion on the plane and everyone goes down."

Not true, the Mythbusters delved into that one The plane would be severely damaged but it is possible to land it. For instance, the case of Aloha Air Flight 243 back in 1988. It suffered explosive decompression while in the air, but it was able to land safely. Unfortunately, one person was killed, a flight attendant, but everyone else was fine, shy of bumps/ bruises/ cuts/ minor burns. And if there's a terrorist on-board, you only have one option really... endanger the lives of a few passengers, or endanger the lives of thousands of people if the terrorist carries out his evil plot.


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ok so we wont have to use autopilot if someone just notices the guy in the turban "going to get more peanuts from the cockpit"

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lol good point


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Posted: 11th Aug 2006 12:53
Quote: "ok so we wont have to use autopilot if someone just notices the guy in the turban "going to get more peanuts from the cockpit""


Or chocolate digestives...damn you oddmind you've reminded me of an Eddie Izzard joke, but I can't be arsed to say it...

But what if the guy isn't wearing a turban...or if the guy really is getting more peanuts...

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Posted: 11th Aug 2006 13:01 Edited at: 11th Aug 2006 13:01
You dont get peanuts from a pilot (nor are they paid peanuts) - you have to fight elephants to get peanuts - and, its doubtful you'll find one on a plane.

You could find snakes though, on a plane.

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Which special was it in? Glorious (the most recent one)? I'm an Eddie Izzard fan and I can't for the life of me remember a joke about chocolate


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Neither can I - I cant remember one about fruit... "Orange's can F*** off..!"

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Posted: 11th Aug 2006 13:27
Quote: "you have to fight elephants to get peanuts - and, its doubtful you'll find one on a plane."


I swear I saw one on a plane once, it was either a dream or just a really fat person with a big nose...but then I've never flown before...

Quote: "Which special was it in? Glorious (the most recent one)? I'm an Eddie Izzard fan and I can't for the life of me remember a joke about chocolate"


I think it was glorious, where he talks about toaster being liars, 'I put it on 4 toast and it come out 3 toast' (Which is a true point, I put my toast in 4 toast the other day...and came out 3 toast)

The joke was on the Aeroplane where the passengers get crappy biscuits and he sees the pilot grab some hobnobs, i think (I know I said digestives, my mistake) My brother has the recorded version on his laptop, if I ask him to send them to me, I could show you which one I mean.

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"****ing nuts! Fed up with them always... I long for a grapefruit!" <- one of my favorite quotes of his

Or...

But in Britain we don't win many gold medals at the Olympics… because we've chosen not to! It's a political statement! Because we hate our national anthem. Because it's “God Save the Queen,” you see? “God Save the Queen.” Now the Queen lives in a very big house, she has barbed wire outside, and people with guns in front of that. That's one saved ****ing queen, I'll tell you! That's the problem! She's overly saved! She has no idea of the struggle of human existence. We have to work for a living, raise a family… we don't have nannies all running around the place. It's what you've got to do in your life, you know? So it's "God Save the Queen." No! It's too saved. It's "God Attack the Queen," that's what it should be! "God attack the Queen, send big dogs after her that bite her bum. Let them chase after her and rip her knickers off..." That'd be fantastic! Then she'd have to fight the crazy dog with a handbag with a brick inside of it.
"Crazy dog! Crazy dog!"
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"No - crazy dog!"

hehhehehe I LOVE Eddie Izzard, one of my favorite comedians

Edit: Oh yeah lol, when he's in the plane that's really just a converted Volkswagen Beetle That was funny lol


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Izzard is God, I have been saying this from Day 1.


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Agreed, one of the greatest comedians ever. I wish more of our fellow Americans would give him a listen!

The FAA's/ US Federal Government's fantastic solution to the terrorist threat: They're banning all liquids on flights? No coca cola at 30k feet? That stinks. Not that I bring cola on planes with me or anything, but seriously, with all of this crazy technology that we have, with cell phones that fit in your ear and 30 GB of music in something the size of a packet of peanuts and processors with zillions of micro-sized transistors and lasers that can fix your eyesight... we can't detect bad chemicals in a cola bottle? We can't find bombs in someone's shoes without making them take them off? It's getting silly now, lol. From what I understand, airport security has gotten worse since 9/11, so why keep doing useless stuff? Why not spend money, time, and energy on making planes safer and passengers more comfortable? WHY don't we have that x-ray wall from Total Recall yet!!!


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Quote: "But in Britain we don't win many gold medals at the Olympics…"

Eddie got it wrong - we didn't win much, 'cos we're not much good. Like in football really.

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Yawn. The americans staged it to help promote their war on terror nonsense. It's just advertizing, so their goverement can continue stripping real freedoms from it's people, while advertizing that they are still keeping it honest. Remeber this is the nation that can arest you, if you don't cross the street in the right place.

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Posted: 11th Aug 2006 14:56 Edited at: 11th Aug 2006 14:57
Quote: "Yawn. The americans staged it to help promote their war on terror nonsense. It's just advertizing, so their goverement can continue stripping real freedoms from it's people, while advertizing that they are still keeping it honest. Remeber this is the nation that can arest you, if you don't cross the street in the right place."
Wow. And what country are you from? Cause over here you need an arrest warrant, where over in britain, a cop only needs suspision to arrest someone. And you dont see the UK being a police state or anything resembling 1984, do you? It's people like you that pi** me off, especailly if they dont even live here. If you dont like the way things are done here, then stay off in whatever utopia you live in.

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Quote: "hehhehehe I LOVE Eddie Izzard, one of my favorite comedians"


Same, alongside with Bill Bailey and Jasper Carrot.

Quote: "Edit: Oh yeah lol, when he's in the plane that's really just a converted Volkswagen Beetle That was funny lol"


thats the one.

Quote: "where over in britain, a cop only needs suspision to arrest someone. And you dont see the UK being a police state or anything resembling 1984, do you?"


Weeeellll, there is some resemblance, like we have british accents and live in England like dear old Winston... At least with being arrested on suspision before having an arrest warrant is that the guy won't be half way to France by the time they get the permission, but then if we did have one it would take 6-10 working days to get back to ye on it

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Posted: 11th Aug 2006 15:41 Edited at: 11th Aug 2006 15:43
Quote: "Wow. And what country are you from? Cause over here you need an arrest warrant, where over in britain, a cop only needs suspision to arrest someone. And you dont see the UK being a police state or anything resembling 1984, do you? It's people like you that pi** me off, especailly if they dont even live here. If you dont like the way things are done here, then stay off in whatever utopia you live in."


Rubbish, so what you are telling is that if someone is gunned down in the street, a cop sees it, he can't give chase and arrest because he doesn't have a warrent? Rubbish. Absolute tosh.

My brother went to New York with a bunch of his friends, one of the group saw someone he knew, and made to cross the road. A cop actually pulled a gun on him. He was then arrested. No one ever found out why, an hour later he was free to go. But that's the sort of society you live in.

Policeman here might be able to arrest on suspican, but they don't draw firearms on someone attempting to cross the road. You are absolutely right, why arrest on suspecion when you can just carry out a quick execution instead? I remember all that fuss a few years ago, about a plumber working on pipes in the evening under someone's house. For months people went around with T-Shirts saying "Don't shoot, I'm a plumber!" When some stupid cop decided he was trying to rob the place.

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Quote: "My brother went to New York with a bunch of his friends, one of the group saw someone he knew, and made to cross the road. A cop actually pulled a gun on him. He was then arrested. No one ever found out why, an hour later he was free to go. But that's the sort of society you live in.
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That's funny, because I happen to live in New York State and I'm in NYC all the time (every few days) and I personally have jay-walked (walked kitty-corner like you describe) RIGHT in front of cops on multiple occasions in Brooklyn, and NEVER ONCE did I ever arrested, and I've *never* had a cop pull a gun on me. And I've rarely seen anyone cross at intersections, in crosswalks, in New York... except in Manhattan at midday when you'd be an idiot to do otherwise. I've lived here my entire life, I've been going to the city my entire life, and never, ever, not once, EVER, have I heard of *anyone* being arrested for jaywalking. NEVER. Either you or your brother is full of poo. Yes, it's against the law, but rarely will you see a cop so bored that he'll actually enforce it.

And obviously you don't know the first thing about warrants or law, either. If a cop witnesses a crime, it's his job to arrest the man. If a cop doesn't witness it, police need to go through a series of procedures to obtain a warrant from a local, state, or federal judge and THEN arrest the suspect. In either case, these individuals are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, and any criminal, ANY criminal, who pleads "not guilty" to a crime has the right to request an appeal, and continue requesting appeals forever and ever if they so deem it, until they find a judge they like.

Quote: "Yawn. The americans staged it to help promote their war on terror nonsense. It's just advertizing, so their goverement can continue stripping real freedoms from it's people, while advertizing that they are still keeping it honest. "

I guess they staged 9/11 too? Guess what... I was in Manhattan that day and witnessed the events in front of my face. I have a scar on my forehead from where I was nicked by a piece of debris. And yes, there were two planes, before you try to spread more conspiracy theory nonesense. Or how about the bombings in London? Were those staged by American spin-doctors? No. I'm as liberal as a person can get, I'm opposed to 9/10ths of "the system," but I do my best to distrust the government based on facts as opposed to fiction. Until I have reason to believe there weren't terrorists in Heathrow, it's a fact in my eyes, and it doesn't seem likely that they would stage something like that... in the least. And if they HAD gone and carried out whatever evil plot they had in mind, the victims would have to deal with people like you, people the world could do without. I praise the Brits for thwarting this potentially-horrendous attack and I extend every bit of gratitude to their fantastic service. The only person spinning anything in this case is you (and Ann Coulter).


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Posted: 11th Aug 2006 16:52
I think people should drop the targetted arguing on this level before we wake Mr Locky Chu.

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Posted: 11th Aug 2006 17:06
Matt, I'm just gonna say ditto to most of your post instead of typing a long one of my own

Quote: "My brother went to New York with a bunch of his friends, one of the group saw someone he knew, and made to cross the road. A cop actually pulled a gun on him. He was then arrested. No one ever found out why, an hour later he was free to go. But that's the sort of society you live in.
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Something tells me it wasn't just crossingthe street that got him arrested, maybe he didn't hear the officer and therefor didnt stop, refusing to stop for an officer is considered fleeing.

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