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Geek Culture / Bully - The most controversial game of all time. Your take on it?

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Sid Sinister
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Posted: 3rd Sep 2006 18:45
There was an article in a recent GI (Game Informer) about the new game from Rockstar, Bully. Honestly I'm sick and tired of the retarded games Rockstar has been putting out. To me they defile the name of Video Games. Rockstar has been puttin out some trashy, immoral and needlessly violent games for a while now and it's about time they start making REAL games. Although the concept of freedom in the games is great, it's been taken the wrong way.

So what's your take on Bully? I'll post my opinion on the game itself later, for now I'm off to work!
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Posted: 3rd Sep 2006 18:48
I think I saw a video on YouTube for it. Didn't exactly look like the best game in the world to be honest.

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2006 18:53
Have you seen their latest? Ping Pong.

Although I do agree that their games are quite messed up.


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Posted: 3rd Sep 2006 19:14
They were far better when they were DMA design in the early 90s - releasing classics like lemmings...
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Posted: 3rd Sep 2006 19:16
Yeah I've never been too keen of rockstar either. I've seen the video for bully. Looks dumb. I wonder who actually buys their games?...

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2006 19:30
Yeah, seems pretty lame. If Rockstar want to stick with their freedom world formla, it'd be awesome to go sci-fi.


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Posted: 3rd Sep 2006 19:31 Edited at: 3rd Sep 2006 19:31
It looks like a funky game. You get to walk around beating dorks up? You guys have completly lost any sense of fun.

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2006 19:44
I think the Rock Star games have gotten pretty stupid, but its crap people buy. I think they're taking the bully thing to far, I mean they'll have a hard time getting rid of parents now that they're presenting something more realistic. I stick up for GTA and that for inspiring kids to do wrong things, because they don't, they're just stupid and have gotten chavvy/gangsta/biatch like, Bully is more likely to have an effect, with all those bad parents out there letting their 'bully' kid because a bigger bully...

Quote: "It looks like a funky game. You get to walk around beating dorks up? You guys have completly lost any sense of fun."


Yeah, but would you play a game full of nude 3D model woman, the real thing is okay, the virtual thing, its a wannabe thing...like me and Samurais as you say

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2006 19:51 Edited at: 3rd Sep 2006 19:55
Quote: "its a wannabe thing...like me and Samurais as you say"


You do realize that's not the plural noun for Samurai? The fact that you don't know it proves that it's just a wannabe phase you're going through.

Oh well, better being into the Samurai fad then the Ninja fad. Those incompetent dreamers!

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2006 20:02
Well, it's not the character you play who does the bullying, so its not that contreversial. I think it could be fun, it seemed to have pretty OK animations.

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2006 20:24 Edited at: 3rd Sep 2006 20:26
Quote: "Well, it's not the character you play who does the bullying,"

um, yes it is.

I read an article about it. The fighting system sounds awesome, but other than that it's just not the kind of thing I'd be interested in. It had a bunch of cool features, but it sounded too much like just living some bully's life, and I don't need to live anyones life but my own, thank you very much.

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2006 20:44
While I would not buy, nor play the game, all the more power to Rockstar they likely have another big hit on their hands and the media storm around the game will likely double their sales. Always appeal to the lowest common denominator, its a successful formula.

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2006 20:56
Quote: "You do realize that's not the plural noun for Samurai? The fact that you don't know it proves that it's just a wannabe phase you're going through.

Oh well, better being into the Samurai fad then the Ninja fad. Those incompetent dreamers!"


Meh! You know I don't even know the meaning of intelligence...No seriously what does it mean...I need to know!...But I'm sure a wannabe Samurai could take out a wannabe cat...Unless that Cat was Puss in Boots, meaning I'd be screwed...

But seriously though, its only an interest, not a wannabe, its interesting stuff, I'm too much of a pacifist/coward to go to war .

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2006 21:00 Edited at: 3rd Sep 2006 21:01
Quote: "But I'm sure a wannabe Samurai could take out a wannabe cat"


Hey, that's "wannabe cat samurai" to you.

I'd agree with you though, people are obsessed with carrying the status of samurai/ninja, but when it'd be time to "die for your clan lord" 98% of us would quietly head in the opposite direction.

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2006 21:04
Quote: "Yeah, but would you play a game full of nude 3D model woman, the real thing is okay, the virtual thing, its a wannabe thing...like me and Samurais as you say "

Exactly, Megaton wants to pretend he's the bully and not the dork for once.

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2006 21:11 Edited at: 3rd Sep 2006 21:13
While, I'm not defending Rockstar or their game (I met the guys from the Rockstar North team - they're nice guys, generally) it amuses me that there's going to be an even bigger outcry over this game.

Games where you try to sleezily pick up women, complete with swimming sperm minigame? Ok. (Lesiure Suit Larry).
Games where you decapitate your enemies in a shower of blood? That's fine too. (Many fighting games since Mortal Combat)
Games where you're a hired killer, sneaking into people's homes to garotte them while they go to the bathroom? No problems. (Hitman, and possibly others).

Game where you bully kids at school? OUTCRY!!!

Certainly people will take the stance that while decapitating your enemies is obviously a fictional fantasy, and that Lesiure Suit Larry does his smarming with humour as his shield - that Bully is too close to home. Well, yes - maybe it is. Maybe many people have fantasies where they want to decapitate their enemies or pick up blonde bimbos, but I bet a lot more people wish that for once they weren't the ones on the recieving end of the bullying, and that they could retaliate for once.

But hey - Rockstar know what they're doing. The video I saw a while back showed only cutscenes without gameplay, so I can't really comment on what the game will actually play like. *shrugs*

[edit] Unrelated link, but it's just for Megaton. Samurai Cat Armour.

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2006 21:12
Quote: "Yeah, but would you play a game full of nude 3D model woman"

absolutely

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2006 21:22
Quote: "but I bet a lot more people wish that for once they weren't the ones on the recieving end of the bullying, and that they could retaliate for once."

Copying what others do to you on other people(whether virtual or not) is not retaliation, and is a very bad way to act.

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Quote: "The most controversial game of all time(Title)"


Oh please, how many times has that not been said in the last year? Anyone remember the game where you got to shoot JFK? Or the whole "Hot Coffee" hype (also Rockstar)? And then something which IS already one of the main social problems is more controversial? How many of those parents that will complain have been told that their son or daughter has been caight bullying and the said "oh no, my child would never do that"?.

Also, on a sidenote, the game is going to be called "Cave canem edit", or dog eats dog in English.

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Posted: 3rd Sep 2006 21:43 Edited at: 3rd Sep 2006 21:49
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There is, quite frankly, a lot of bullshit press over the game. People jump to massive conclusions on the title alone, and going on previous track record (GTA series) they automatically assume you're looking at something similar, only involving kids in a reform school.

The game is created by Rockstar Vancouver, NOT Rockstar North - so get that fact right first of all if you're going to compare this game to previous Rockstar titles - this is the Vancouver lots first title.

You do NOT play a 'school bully beating up little kids' in this title. If you think that, then you are just riding the hysteria wave without having the facts in your hands. Do you beat up other kids? Yes. The malicious evil little shits in the game, not some helpless poor thing like 'traditional' bullies go for. Do you beat up teachers? Sure. The sadistic evil teachers causing grief. And thus it continues. Is the game full of very black dark humour? Absolutely. But the class lead mini-games look extremely fun, as does the non-linear approach to the gameplay and open ended storyline.

I do wonder if they are going to go ahead with the name change though (Dog Eat Dog) or if thats more Internet FUD.

How is it no-one complains about the likes of Hitman (kill the target in the most sick and elaborate way possible), the breast bouncing Dead or Alive games, the atrocious depiction of females in just about all titles, the gross-out violence in some of the Japanese horror games, etc etc? They get away unscatched, yet fall into the game category. People are ******* hypocrits when it comes to gaming if you ask me.

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I guess the problem is that, if they push a kid off a wall in Bully, or make him trip over a banana skin, or whatever happens in that game, a kid can easily replicate it. Hey, it even sounds like fun to me. It's a bit harder and less likely for kids to play hitman, then get hold of a couple of berettas and gun down the inhabitants of a mafia villa in Sicily.

I'd imagine there will be a lot of events in Bully that kids can easily replicate in real life. It's a bit harder for kids to steal a car and pick up a hooker than golf club her to death to get the cash back.

It might be a pretty fun game, but hey, when I was a kiddy, I replicated teenage mutant ninja turtles, cos its easy to do a few high kicks. I didn't replicate Terminator, cos ripping someones heart out of their chest seemed a little extreme. I think the outcry is the same logic. The stuff in Bully might be (I dont know, I've not played it) easy to replicate, and not very extreme, meaning kids will replicate it for a laugh. Nobody really gets seriously hurt. They dont get shot, or raped, or put into a wood chipping machine, but the bullied kid won't exactly be having the time of his life.

Don't get me wrong, I dont really care, I just think that's the logic.

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Quote: "or the tits bouncing Dead or Alive games"


Good god man! That is the greatest work of gaming genius sinse gaming began. To even contemplate dissing boned based dynamic breast bouncing animation is sheer lunacy!


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Posted: 3rd Sep 2006 21:53 Edited at: 3rd Sep 2006 21:56
I have to say that the stuff in this doesn't look half as bad as some of the stuff kids get up to in schools these days. I didn't see any random knifings in the trailer, or smacking kids around just to capture it on a mobile phone.

Real life is always worse that anything we can ever see depicted, but I appreciate what you mean about the 'fantasy' element of titles like Hitman - what I'm saying is that both games will be rated an 18 - so what's the big deal? If you're a responsible parent in the first place the content of an 18 title is irrelevant, it should still be out of bounds.

If you let your kids play this sort of stuff because 'it's a computer game' then you are a sandwich short of a picnic.

Edit: On that note, the only possible good thing to come out of the media shitstorm around Bully, and the bile coming from the likes of Jack Thompson, is perhaps they are (in some twisted way) actually making parents aware of the sort of content in the games they let their kids play.

Even so, the rating is there for a reason. Ignoring it is just stupidity.

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Quote: "Copying what others do to you on other people(whether virtual or not) is not retaliation, and is a very bad way to act."


And decapitation, dehumanisation (of either gender) and assasination isn't? Benjamin, I was comparing it to all the other 'fantasies' that are considered ok by the games industry already - and being amused that this one is considered worse. I'm of the opinion that there are millions of bullied children, and ex-bullied adults out there, and that barring miracles the people who bullied those people are not going to get their comeuppance any time soon - that's a lot of frustrated hurt and anger with no outlet.

Again - I'm not defending the game - just pointing out that being the bully is as valid a game fantasy as being the hired killer, or the curiously irresistable-to-women-ugly-man - and if anything may well be a more common fantasy.

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From the way you've described the game, it doesn't sound like its condoning bullying in anyway, and infact fighting against it to an extent. If so, fair play. I'm sure people have jumped on the bandwagon assuming it's endorsing it. I myself automatically assumed, going on Rockstars previous games that it'd be GTA in school, hence my comments above. I suppose that's the logic people are working on.

If it was a game condoning bullying though, the 18/R rating wouldn't save it, because the kids that are most likely to bully other kids are the kids with no parental supervision and full access to these sorts of games. You'll probably find the kids who get beaten up are the sheltered ones with parents that dont even let them cross the road by themselves, let alone play R rated games.


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Quote: "And decapitation, dehumanisation (of either gender) and assasination isn't?"

And how often does a kid chop of another kids head in real life? Fallout's post pretty much explained what I would put here.

Quote: "and that barring miracles the people who bullied those people are not going to get their comeuppance any time soon - that's a lot of frustrated hurt and anger with no outlet."

Right, well if the ones you bully in the game deserve it, then I agree. I'm simply against is taking your anger out on other people who have done nothing to you in the first place.

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Quote: "From the way you've described the game, it doesn't sound like its condoning bullying in anyway, and infact fighting against it to an extent."


I think you can look at it several ways, and I'm sure like with most quality games it isn't black and white (and could potentially have quite a twist ending, per Rockstar tradition) - but if you look at the official trailers, read the official press releases and go on stuff released by the developers (not some hype merchant website 'reviewer'), then yes, they do appear to be taking quite a lot of effort to describe that you are not the said Bully of the title, but rather their combatant. Check out the vids on Gamespot.com and come back and tell me if you don't see it the same way (if you haven't done so already).

The very fact you assumed, on previous Rockstar game history, and the title, that you were the one smacking up the unfortunate ones just goes to show why it is causing the furore it is - just look at the title of this thread for a good indication of the assumptions people are jumping to without ever having even played it. You're an experienced gamer and you instantly thought about it in a negative way - quite fair too, so did I until I looked into it a bit more carefully.

The whole 'kids copying ideas from it' argument is a bit of a tangent, I mean have you ever actually seen anyone trip over a banana skin? Outside of Loony Tunes that is. Until someone actually plays this game it's all hot air and nonsense. Kids in real life are FAR worse than anything I bet this game could depict. I'll be stunned if that isn't the case.

And ok, you like your Dead or Alive chicks, I get the picture

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I don't get what the big deal is. Bullying has been around for as long as schools itself. Kids are pushed into lockers, beaten up in bathrooms, tripped and otherwise pushed around in schools everywere, everyday. What difference is this game going to make?

What, little Johnny might get the idea of mugging some little kid for his lunch money after playing this game? Oh wait, but that's human nature. Doesn't even seem like it's worth talking about really.

I remember reading a book on human psycology called "The gift of fear". The author wrote an interesting bit where he said "Alright, now close your eyes and think of the most disgusting and effective way one could possibaly damage/kill another human being. Got one? Alright, so whatever you have thought of, chances are it has already been done to someone at some point in time".

It ain't the games people, but then again, we've already established that.

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Quote: "You do NOT play a 'school bully beating up little kids' in this title."


Yep, I knew I was right. Eat it, Bizar guy.

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People just like to have something to moan about. I have a fairly light hearted view on life(even when its an issue which affects me directly) and I never see why people bitch and whine about things like this, it baffles me! However, as I said I take alot of things which people class as a big deal fairly lightly and I realise that not everyone is the same. What I'm saying is that in my opinion, if a kid plays a game and hurts someone or something while attempting to mimick the game they are a dumbass and would probably end up doing something stupid anyway.

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Quote: "I mean have you ever actually seen anyone trip over a banana skin? Outside of Loony Tunes that is."


Actually, once as a sudden curiousity I chucked my finished banana skin on the shiney kitchen floor and proceeded to try my best to slip over on it. No luck. They just get mushy. Bananas really need to be coated in teflon.

Quote: "The very fact you assumed, on previous Rockstar game history, and the title, that you were the one smacking up the unfortunate ones just goes to show why it is causing the furore it is"


It's definitely Rockstars reputation, but its also the game title. I think the change in title of the game would be a good move. I mean, Grand Theft Auto is so called because that's one of the central parts of the game. The title often depicts what your role is in the game such as Hitman, Hooligan, Grand Theft Auto (to a large extent) etc. So I suppose it's natural to hear the title "Bully" and assume that's your role.

Gonna go and hunt down those vids you mentioned now.


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Well, Rockstar made a good move to call this game Bully, as anyone in the marketing business will tell you it's bait for the press to go crazy. Rockstar gets sued and is in the press constantly, and that will only sell their games.

I will be a little concerned about the quality of the game, myself, as I know people who worked at the studio. The GTA team was give (for good reason) anything they needed, at anytime to finish their titles, while the folks in Vancouver were treated like 3rd rate citizens, and the company suffered a high turnover rate in the process. The game was something like three years in dev as well, with many people coming and going.

EDIT: The Rockstar Vancouver site just redirects to the main Rockstar Games site now. Did it get closed down?

Anyways, I'll be interested to see what happens when the game is actually released. The press went crazy over Manhunt, but for Bully I'd like to see them get the egg on their faces. No doubt Nancy Grace will have a special on her show lashing out against Bully for nothing more than the name of the game. Of course when they're proven wrong, we don't hear about it


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Quote: "Game where you bully kids at school? OUTCRY!!!"
Yeah, you got to laugh.

Heh, I saw this advert on the back of a normal game mag the other day (retro gamer as it happens). Personally if I was a complete girl I would be more outraged by this then some namby pamby game where you bully people that is obviously a thin veil to basically get as much PR as possible.
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Wonder what the percentage of people complaining are from people who didn't stand up for themselves in school and get wedgied 24/7.

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Hegaton, yes bullying has been around for ages. My major argument for how games don't affect kids negatively, because the only imitation they do is playful, I think I was Jack Nicholson from the shining once as a kid, but when something gets too close to home, the playful influences aren't there when bully is the subject, because they already do it. Its not really going to influence Bully, but could potentially push it further. I normally say f*** political correctness, you're kids are gonna grow up fine with crazy games as long as parents are good, but I think this game, it like saying to a Bully, its okay, you're doing nothing wrong by giving a dork a wedgey. What I am saying is that if the kid feels playing as a bully is okay, then bullying is okay, because the adults are letting them play it, and those adults are the authority to them. I'm sure what Rich says is right, the kid probaly only hurts malicious little sh*ts, but the kid will only need to percieve the bullying bit to take things the wrong themselves. I have nothing wrong with GTA, Manhunt etc. But this is actually differant.

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No point discussing it yet if none of us have played it. How do you know there isn't a running theme through the game that bullying is bad?

Personally though I think it's a little too late to worry about games now. I mean killing religious people for points caused a lot of outrage quite a few years ago with the original GTA. Kind of feels a little like the horse has bolted now.

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Compaired to most of the rubbish Rockstar have shoved out there, bully is pretty tame I think. I suspect though that the reason for an outcry is that, very few players have personal experiance of murdering someone (and lets hope the ones that do are nicely put away in prison, or the mental ward), or any of the other violent themes that Rockstar has relyed upon. However most kids have had some experiance with bullying. There is a certain distance, and unreality to the massively violent stuff, but bullying, now that can be entered into personal experiance and is, in some ways much, much worse.

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It is in Rockstars best interest to let people think that you are a school bully, or whatever other conclusions people jump to as it will lead to sales.

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lmao That was the most shameless attempt to promote your political beliefs that I've ever seen. Seriously, how the hell does that relate to anything in this thread!?

The problem with Bully is that loads of kids have experience with bullying, and people are under the impression that Rockstar are going to put 'geeks' and 'losers' in a bad light so they get picked on more than they do already. This reasoning would be fairly sound if that were what this game is actually about. Unfortunately, certain idiots have forgotten to get their facts straight and are going to be very embarrassed when they've realised they've just jumped onto another bandwagon. Especially when this one loses a wheel.

The fact that it is rated 18 means that they have no right to complain anyway because kids shouldn't be playing it. By making it an 18, Rockstar have moved the responsibility (quite rightly) onto the parents. But once again, the parents (that are complaining) refuse to accept it and want someone else to blame for their own failures when it all goes wrong.

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Sounds very nasty.

I'm pretty sure you fight bullies in the game although the main character looks like he'd be a bully. He's got that evil smile, and bald head.

Quote: "Wonder what the percentage of people complaining are from people who didn't stand up for themselves in school and get wedgied 24/7. "
Very, very probable.

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Posted: 4th Sep 2006 05:42
I could print this image on a newspaper and sell it to children.

http://www.javadmon.akkasee.com/archives/image/VCexecute.jpg
(I was gonna post directly btu i thought just incase some of you were offended)

As I was saying, that could be printed on a newspaper, shown on tv, or displayed as art. yet there is major uproar when a few pixels clash with some other pixels to create red pixels.

i watched that movie kidulthood just the other night, it's rather shocking to see the gangster lifestyle kids live in (someone here already mentioned the camera phone beatings, christ i can't even afford a camera phone). Most children are already** exposed to extreme violence, sex and various other things deemed not fit for children, releasing a game with an R rating is perfectly fine. look at how many R movies came out in the 80s. If you want to stop kids beating up other kids impose stricter rules and enforce punishment for breaking them. (yes beat your kids! )


**(sorry I got distracted by the fit shiela that just came into the office to sign up as a member!)

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indi
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Posted: 4th Sep 2006 06:16
I come from an era thats not so politically correct so im not so fussed regarding video game content.

I really enjoyed the GTA series 2d and 3d.

There was a game a while back with gangs and swearing, thats probably more violent and pc incorrect then this subject.
I think it was called Kingpin iirc. baseball batting people in that game etc..

The yanks wont let you play a video game because its violent, yet they use "Americas Army" game to indoctrinate young children from poverished states to get hit with real bullets in a real army basd on morals and religion hiding the fact its all about resources and power.

anyone see the irony in that?.

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Posted: 4th Sep 2006 09:23
Lol hopefully people will realise that meaningless violence can only be so much fun before it gets tedious and repetitive.

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Posted: 4th Sep 2006 10:23
It's nothing new, I remember playing a game where you got to shoot teachers and pupils in the face with a catapult, punch girls, use snogging to get your girl to do your lines.

That was on the spectrum umpteen years ago, things haven't progressed much since then huh, except marketing strategies of course.

I'm far more concearned about the things my son gets upto in Oblivion than he would in that game, heck it looks like a mix between The Godfather and Harry Potter. I think it'll be pretty decent fun, like Reservior Dogs and Godfather, but fairly linear in comparison to GTA. It's obvious that this will die down quick, because there's no dark secret, it's not like hot coffee, something hidden away by a lonely RN coder - it's all there already - I'd see the point if they showed even a fraction of what goes on in schools today, I mean wheres the mission to go to the local corner shop at lunchtime to buy vodka and ciggies?

Thing is, Rockstar just give the public what they want - and Rockstar know the games that attract non-gamers into the fold with it's marketing. People want a school bully game, where you run around a school protecting little kids - next year it'll be a prison (stabbing stoolies, screws and lags) - the year after a hospital (euphanasia OMFG) - the year after that it'll be a police station (hope to hell that no ethnics are involved).

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Posted: 4th Sep 2006 12:51
Skool Daze? (And the sequal?) Difficult game, but writing on the blackboards was fun

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Posted: 4th Sep 2006 12:55
Quote: "Bully - The most controversial game of all time."

I bet if I really thought about it I could think of at least 10 games that are more controversial. A fat kid picking on nerds... I'm a Rockstar fan and for once I'll say this is just stupid. GTA got parents riled up, which made kids (including most of you and/ or your friends) want the game(s) even more, which made them that much more profitable, so the suits at Rockstar said "controversy makes us fatter," and presto, they're trying their darndest to make the most controversial game of all time. I love the GTA series and I'm one of the small handful of people who liked Manhunt, but c'mon... Bully isn't controversial, it's just silly.


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Posted: 4th Sep 2006 12:56
Back to Skool .

Classics, even though I had to play them on emu's to complete them.

I remember getting in trouble from my mom because of some of the stuff I'd write.

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Posted: 4th Sep 2006 13:12
Quote: "A fat kid picking on nerds..."


Yet more proof for my theory that people have very little idea what the game does actually contain.

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Posted: 4th Sep 2006 13:23
I've read up on it, and I thought I summed it up pretty well. You're a chubby kid who gets kicked out of a bunch of schools, and you end up at a prep school where a lot of people are just as tough as you are. For the life of me, I can't see how this game is all that controversial.

PS. - @ Rich: did you ever get in touch with the winner of the TA competition? I e-mailed you several times about it but didn't get a response


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Posted: 4th Sep 2006 13:28
Quote: "where a lot of people are just as tough as you are."


That your definition of 'picking on nerds' then?

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Posted: 4th Sep 2006 14:51
Quote: "Classics, even though I had to play them on emu's to complete them."


You could finish them? I've only played them on emu's and kept getting 10000 lines and then being told

"YOU HAVE 10000 LINES ERIC... YOU'RE EXPELLED!" (Yes, I couldn't be bothered changing the names...). That is, after being in about 12 lessons and getting a measly 8000 score... 12 lessons in one day, I pity those kids...

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