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Geek Culture / [LOCKED] Orwellian? You decide.

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CattleRustler
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Posted: 6th Sep 2006 16:48
Its no worse than Blair wanting to dabble with eugenics...

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Posted: 6th Sep 2006 16:59
Quote: "Its no worse than Blair wanting to dabble with eugenics..."


yeah i saw that too... the ASBO for fetuses programme, another brilliant idea from the blair insanity wagon.


On topic: I'm getting a bit pissed off at google now, why can't they just stick at what they're doing and have done with it? they seem to be intent on permeating every facet of society these days.

coming soon: Loogle - software for your toilet that analysis your faeces and displays adverts depending on what you need in your diet, or your favourite foods.

(maybe i should copywrite that before google find out about it)

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Posted: 6th Sep 2006 17:07
Quote: "software for your toilet that analysis your faeces"

Its been availiable in Japan for a while now

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Posted: 6th Sep 2006 17:07
damn them!

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Posted: 6th Sep 2006 17:26
just dont have a microphone plugged in.

btw, right mouse a flash object and look at the settings.
you can activate the mike and the camera if you know enough actionscripting.

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Posted: 6th Sep 2006 17:44
Nobody makes you use Google, or even specific parts of Google. Some people may choose to let their Google-enabled pet PC watch TV while they are out.



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Posted: 6th Sep 2006 18:34
Interesting stuff there CattleRustler, here I thought Google was so innocent. <offtopic> Also, I checked the video in your sig, shocking stuff really, really shifted my view of how things went. Cheers. </offtopic>

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Posted: 6th Sep 2006 18:44
**You suddenly cough very loudly and are flooded with cough medicine pop ups**

Not good.

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Posted: 6th Sep 2006 19:01 Edited at: 6th Sep 2006 20:28
more info
http://www.infowars.com/articles/bb/gov_industry_use_computer_mics_spy_on_americans.htm

sage, hopefully you watched the whole thing. if it leaves you with questions then investigate the evidence further. LC2e is merely the starting point. If you need links, let me know

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Posted: 6th Sep 2006 19:06
Quote: " <offtopic> Also, I checked the video in your sig, shocking stuff really, really shifted my view of how things went. Cheers. </offtopic>
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Ditto, but I only caught 20 mins of it, I'll need to watch the rest another time.

I think, okay you don't have to use google, but the idea of the software could be hijacked into spyware as said, but potentially, anything could happen on your comp, I'm sure we are already spied on, and that George Orwell is right about the big brother thing, I think society is similar to 1984 but not in the strength it is in the story, people may disagree, but this is not the place to discuss my political point of view.

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Posted: 6th Sep 2006 20:55 Edited at: 6th Sep 2006 20:57
Quote: "software for your toilet that analysis your faeces"


Kim Il Sung had that tech when he was in power in the 60s! He even had his special toilet sent to every other communist country he visited.

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This Google tech doesn't bug me. If I don't want the software, I won't install it. Frankly I'd rather have ads tailored to me than have to deal with enhancement and university degree ads everyday


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Posted: 6th Sep 2006 21:11
what about your pc, and your cable tv boxes? what about when its not with your permission by software you choose to run, but with hardware you didn't know was there?

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Posted: 6th Sep 2006 21:28
Maybe I'm strange, but I just don't see that coming--- a time when hardware is spying on you without your knowledge. I'm a skeptic through and through, so this stuff doesn't make me paranoid. Sure the NSA may be listening on your phone calls and reading your emails, but that's old news-- i.e. everyone knows that.


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Posted: 6th Sep 2006 21:43
Quote: "Maybe I'm strange, but I just don't see that coming--- a time when hardware is spying on you without your knowledge"

Did you mean that politically or technologically, or both, or neither? Speaking both politically and technologically, that time has been here for a while.

I am not saying it IS happening, but with everything that has gone on I wouldn't be surprised to find out something like this has been in full swing for a while.

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Posted: 6th Sep 2006 22:20
But if it's been in full swing for a while, and you didn't know, what's the difference? If it was WalMart or another corp spying on me, I'd have a problem. But with the government, I don't really care. There is obviously a reason for it--- what would that be? Attempting to find illegal activity. I'm not a terrorist, so I'm not worried.

If you think it's something to be worried at, look at China with its government controlled media, or North Korea with the state-owned radios that don't have off switches! Those are scary places.


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I dont see how the US government could get away with putting spying devices in STB's - after all, some people take them apart, and if they found something dodgy they would be quite willing to blab.

Its all very well saying that you trust a government - but unfortunately you dont know what the information will be used for. Will it be kept internal ? Sold to companies ? Send overseas ?
Government's, by their nature, cant be trusted.

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Posted: 6th Sep 2006 22:42 Edited at: 6th Sep 2006 22:44
Quote: "Maybe I'm strange, but I just don't see that coming--- a time when hardware is spying on you without your knowledge"


You don't live in the UK. Here is the ultimate in spying hardware, and it's happening right now!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,59-2332303,00.html

Quote: "Electronic spy 'bugs' have been secretly planted in hundreds of thousands of household wheelie bins.

The gadgets - mostly installed by companies based in Germany - transmit information about the contents of the bins to a central database which then keeps records on the waste disposal habits of each individual address.

Already some 500,000 bins in council districts across England have been fitted with the bugs - with nearly all areas expected to follow suit within the next couple of years.

Until now, the majority of bins have been altered without the knowledge of their owners. In many cases, councils which ordered the installation of the devices did not even debate the proposals publicly."






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Posted: 6th Sep 2006 22:45 Edited at: 6th Sep 2006 22:46
And no doubt people will complain if it turns out more information is being stored than how much waste is being removed.

Fortunately, its not widespread

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Posted: 6th Sep 2006 22:55
Quote: "I'm not a terrorist, so I'm not worried."



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Posted: 6th Sep 2006 23:04
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM KIS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

just always remember that 2+2=5, and the thought police are watching. If one commits doublethink now, they surely will be punished.

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Posted: 6th Sep 2006 23:17
Na - its doubleclick that you need to watch out for

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Posted: 6th Sep 2006 23:23
Actually, I think this is trump in spy tech.

http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=636

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Posted: 6th Sep 2006 23:29 Edited at: 6th Sep 2006 23:31
Apparently some cats were supposed to be used as torpedoes - due to a cat's dislike of water, the idea is they would swim to some defined target. (Un)fortunately it didn't work (of course).

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Posted: 6th Sep 2006 23:59
You see, if the government wants to know how many pounds of garbage I throw out, I don't care.

Quote: "Apparently some cats were supposed to be used as torpedoes"


Dogs were used in WWII, strapped with a bomb and trained to run underneath tanks.


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Quote: "WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM KIS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH"


If I see the goverment talking in oxymorons, not as morons (As they already do) then I'm going to be very worried...But if Freedom kis slavery (Kiss?) then I'd be okay with that.

If anyone wants to know where all the info goes...it goes to Jack Bauer at CTU, anyone who watches 24 would know that already...

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Oddmind was quoting classic orwellian double-think/double-speak

now...
FORGET

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Posted: 7th Sep 2006 04:43
haha if there forcing me to put my face into a cage of rats, or look at myself naked in a mirror I will think about moving .

Orwell is(was) great, I love his stuff.

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Posted: 7th Sep 2006 15:36
the hair had been moved within my drawer on top of my book.
Luckily I have a spot in my room that the plasma cant see me.

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I find CattleRustlers link in his sig highly offensive,politically biased with unreliable sources and in violation of the rules of these forums.

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Posted: 7th Sep 2006 16:53 Edited at: 7th Sep 2006 17:09
All propaganda is politically biased. Thats the whole point of it.

As for unreliable sources - maybe, or maybe not.

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Quote: "Oddmind was quoting classic orwellian double-think/double-speak"


I know I know, although I haven't finished reading 1984...

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Posted: 7th Sep 2006 21:13 Edited at: 7th Sep 2006 21:13
Quote: "I find CattleRustlers link in his sig highly offensive,politically biased with unreliable sources and in violation of the rules of these forums."


mr bigger, you may find the content of that LINK as such, and thats your right, but remember YOU CLICKED IT TO FIND OUT - UNLIKE something being POSTED in a thread which would violate the AUP. So please don't be a jackass.

here, this will keep you busy...
Df=1368

solve for Ts

Ts=SQRT(Df/16)

sorry you cant handle the truth. Physics, Science and Mathematics don't lie, friend.

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Posted: 7th Sep 2006 21:58
I find what the TV presents, what the government says and do, highly offensive, but I just live with people's political opinions, if I clash, I discuss them. There are loads of things in life that you don't like, letting them offend you/get to you, just makes life look crap and unfair. People who believe the content on the video would be highly offended by the news, I'm sure Atheists get offended by the whole God thing, but once the less popular view is shown people are offended?...Then again, its the same with anything, really, chavs play crap music in the common room, when we play metal, they complain...

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@CattleRustler
It`s nothing more than conspiracy theory and enemy propaganda and dishonors all that perished on 9/11 and the war on terror.
Quote: "truth. Physics, Science and Mathematics "

You mean half truths and lies.It sounds more like Micheal Moore rubbish to me.
And on the anniversary of 9/11 no less.Shame on you.

Now you call me a jackass.Once again i am offended by you.
How you are able to remain a mod is a mystery,and on a company forum no less.

Who are you calling friend?You have done nothing but insult the memory of my lost friend,me and my intelligence.I am not now nor will i ever be your friend.

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Quote: "It`s nothing more than conspiracy theory and enemy propaganda and dishonors all that perished on 9/11 and the war on terror."


Im curious. How does it dishonour them?

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Mr. Bigger> Nothing wrong with a little conspiracy theory. If we are not able to objectively look into other peoples points of view and consider that they might be correct, then how can we say that our view is the right one?

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Posted: 7th Sep 2006 22:50
Quote: "You mean half truths and lies.It sounds more like Micheal Moore rubbish to me."


Micheal Moore is a bunch of crap, yes, we established that when looking at him outside of the box. But that isn't Micheal Moore crap.

Quote: "Im curious. How does it dishonour them?"


Ditto, personally, attempting to pursue the truths, whether or not they are true, honours more them does it not? (People are still looking into the death of Princess Diana, by doing so, are they dishonouring her?) Is it not a better honour to find the truth about people's death rather than believe what potentially is a cover story. Then the real people responsible would pay for it, however if the government is telling the truth, no harm in investigating, as the government is a hard source of trust within the sense of their words. Everytime I hear Blair or Bush speak, I find it hard to believe them.

As for your friend, I'm sorry to hear that, but I don't believe any of this does dishonour them.

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Posted: 7th Sep 2006 23:05 Edited at: 8th Sep 2006 00:20
@ Mr Bigger

Quote: "And on the anniversary of 9/11 no less.Shame on you."


Altough i agree that loose change has some innacuracies, Cattleruster is being patriotic for even QUESTIONING the current US government. 9/11 was an inside job, i have been reading and researching that subject for some time now and it's getting more and more obvious by the day. I won't expect you to believe that ofcourse. For me (who isn't even american) it took 6-8 months of researching before i succumbed to the IDEA that it was.

Loose change is a bad place to start, i'd reckon if you are in deep denial you should check out "Terrorstorm". It's an eye opener.

There's going to be a massive protest i New York soon, there many thousands of people who want the truth about 9/11 will join up and protest until they bleed. They are REAL patriots, but according to your logic they are scum who are dishonoring the victims of 9/11?

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Those who are cinvinced that the stuff they see only on the outside oron the TV is the whole truth are ignorant and not intelligent enough to think critically.

I havent' reasearched 9/11 yet as much as I want to but I sure as hell don't believe there wasn't someone over here helping them out.

Use common sence and if your offended theres always your friend mr. Back Button who helps people out constantly.

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Posted: 8th Sep 2006 00:11 Edited at: 8th Sep 2006 00:15
mr bigger, you lost a friend that day and I am sorry for that - I also lost a group of people I worked with from Cantor Fitzgerald, people I have met, some I hadn't, but spoke with on the phone everyday for work. You see, the company I worked for, Market Data Corporation, was a spin off company of Cantor Fitzgerald, who's owner was bloodline related to Bernie Cantor. Luckily for us we were located in Westchester NY and not in WTC 1 on the 100th-105th floors like Cantor Fitzgerald. That day was a horriffic day, both from the perspective as an onlooker, and as someone who had friends there, and someone who watched office associates in agony as they watched their friends, and family members die on tv. When the first "conspiracy theories" came along I wasn't too impressed, infact I was just like you, believing everything my gov't told me. About a year or so ago I accidentally stumbled onto one of the countless "eveidence" sites and began researching from there, like many, to disprove them. What I found in this long journey has not only convinced me that 9/11 was an inside job, but it is now my life's mission to help prove it.

You are entitled to your beliefs, as am I - being a mod on a site doesn't strip me of that. I suggest you take a long hard look at facts regarding 9/11, and world history, and a longer, harder look at wat has transpired since then, and I assure you a clear picture will emerge, or maybe it won't - to each his own.

What cannot be bypassed in any discussion regarding the matter are the laws of physics. Unless someone tells me its possible for the laws of physics to be suspended for one day (9/11/2001) then there may be some doubt. Until then, there's no way it could have happened the way the gov't would have you believe. This transcends all politics and party affiliations, this is a matter the people.

Loose Change is hardly "all" the evidence - it's a starting point. I take issue with a couple things presented in that film. Should you find the courage to examine all evidence, and not blindly believe everything your told, I will gladly supply you or anyone with a set of links. Until then I wish you well.

Quote: "CONSPIRACY
an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons"


Quote: "THEORY
A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena."


Quote: "PATRICK HENRY:
"We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth...
For my part, I am willing to know the whole truth;
to know the worst; and to provide for it.""


Quote: "EDMUND BURKE:
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.""


btw I called you a jackass not for your beliefs, but for your lackluster attempt to cause trouble regarding my sig. I apologize for calling you that.

btw, you never did tell me what you calculated for Ts if Df is 1368? The formula is in my sig if you need it again.

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Guys, please cut the political chat from here, as it's only going to descend into flames (that includes 9/11, Bush, Blair talks, etc.) Otherwise the thread's going to get locked pretty fast judging by past experience I'll leave it up to CR whether to discern whether the content is getting too political, but I just thought I'd give a warning here and now.


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CR, I am interested in looking up the evidence into 9/11, I kind of have the idea of 'trying to make the world a better place for as many as possible (Mostly on the political side, I'm a coward.)' future planned. Researching into something like this is rather stimulating. I focus too much on the little problems, a starting website would be cool.

Cheers.

Also, I hope you find something useful for yourself to reveal fully what happened, just try not to look crazy, the crazy guy is always ignored...But then no doubt the media would do that for you...

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Jeku, good idea, political debates are only necessary when all party members are mature enough to discuss it properly. Heck some don't like religious/political discussions full stop.

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Posted: 8th Sep 2006 00:53 Edited at: 8th Sep 2006 01:00
BTW i felt i nedeed to comment on this quote to
Quote: ""I'm not a terrorist, so I'm not worried.""
That's the mindset that deplenishes your freedoms and privacy. Terrorists are; people who wear Levis, people who have an almanac, people who know their surroundings, people who make references to the US constitution, even people who appear NORMAL for ***** sake!

Don't believe me?

http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/texas_training_pamphlet_nice_guys.htm

According to the US government EVERYONE is a potensial terrorist and can therefore be treated as such (guilty until proven innocent). They can send you to gitmo for something as simple as having the wrong bumper sticker on your car. Have you read the patriot act? My guess is no and neither did congress before apporoving it.

The point is that even though you might not be a terrorist (whatever that definition might be now) you should still be angry that you freedom is carefully being stripped away.

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Edit : Just to make it clear. I like USA, i'm no anti-american, i just hate what's becoming of that great nation.

@ cattleruster and mr bigger, i'm sorry for your loss.

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Posted: 8th Sep 2006 01:04 Edited at: 8th Sep 2006 01:16
America seems to have taken things more insanely with terrorism, we had it with the Irish, now the middle east...But the middle east seems to cause more panick and racism.

The biggest damage terrorism has caused you could say is the fear of it, its so magnified. I've heard of this racism against middle easterns, I find is pathetic. I know an Iranian guy (Frank, a black belt who turns up to the wednesday dojo, says I should go for my black in april ) He was an Iranian fighter pilot in the middle east, one of the nicest and friendliest guys I've ever met, looks like he'd never hurt a fly, he's been a citizen in England for a while, loves it here. But the fear being created in the media, like in that leaflet. Its silly, safety precautions in case of a terrorist attack, looking out for terrorists, no, a terrorist can be any single person, a person can look suspicious, but be innocent.

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I love how the leaflet explains terrorism...

Quote: "they use unlawful force or violence to try and coerce and/or force a government or population to modify its philosophy and direction."


So lets says I were to protest, aggressively, not violently, but use a forceful nature, and build up with a huge influence on a population to join me outside of parliament, trying to force the government to change their 'philosophies' on war and attack in other countries...It is illegal to protest outside of parliament now (last I heard), I am using a force to try and force the government to change a philosophy...So therefore that would make me a terrorist?

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Posted: 8th Sep 2006 01:23 Edited at: 8th Sep 2006 01:31
Your quite right Musashi, i know a family from Afghanistan and they are the nicest people whom i have ever met. I got to know them because as i work alot with computers i got offered to fix theirs and even without knowing me at all they let me roam their house unwatched and temper with the hardware of their new expensive computer.

They made me dinner and offered to stay longer for some chatting and such. I was amazed! I havent met such politeness from any fellow Norwegian family, atleast not to such extent. Haha i even got the fathers military jacket as a bonus. So know i'm roaming around town in my Afghan military jacket

I know their only human and muslims are just as capable of terrorism as any other person. I find the racism towards them sickening. Before i met them i was infact "one of them", the racists and i regret that horribly much.

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Why? It's my favorite subject

Edit : @ your (Musashi) question, yes! You would. And you could therefore be treated as one.

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Posted: 8th Sep 2006 01:25
@Jeku, understood
@Musashi, I will put together a text file of links and post it
@Grandma, thanks

Anyone see the movie V for Vendetta? Art imitates life.

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Posted: 8th Sep 2006 01:29 Edited at: 8th Sep 2006 01:40
actually good place to start reading is
http://www.physics911.net
Under the banner that says "What Did Not Happen"

and at http://killtown.911review.org/oddities/2001.html

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Posted: 8th Sep 2006 01:35 Edited at: 8th Sep 2006 01:36
@ CattleRustler

I've seen it. I've also seen "The Lone Gunmen" pilot episode. Just can't figure out why they cancelled it.

BTW are you going to be at the protest?

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Posted: 8th Sep 2006 01:38
Quote: "Have you read the patriot act? My guess is no"


No, I'm not American, so it's of no interest to me. I just find it amusing how some people are so adamantly against government spying, when there's a very good reason for them to do so. Oh well.

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I enjoy debating politics like the best of 'em, but it's against the forum's AUP.


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