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Geek Culture / Firefox 2.0 rocks

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Nicholas Thompson
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Posted: 3rd Nov 2006 18:02
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Quote: "It works with most of the sites I visit now."

Technically speaking, its not the browser that works with the sites - its the sites that work with the browser.

If you EVER go to a website and it doesn't work in a standards compliant browser such as FF2.0, Opera and now IE7 then its not the browser thats at fault - its the moronic programmer who made it.

The Sony Erricson site was like that at one stage. I emailed them and they simply stated "Oh it only works in IE". So I replied and informed them I only had a mac (not technically true) and from then on I just got radio silence. Nothing at all. Then one day it sort of worked.

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The dude guy
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Posted: 3rd Nov 2006 22:37
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Quote: "As of about a couple days ago, it does.
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Well then, Firefox ftw
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Lost in Thought
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Posted: 4th Nov 2006 02:25
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While this is true in theory, there is nothing I as the end user can do about it. So I use the browser that works with all of them I visit. IE7 and IE6 both work great.

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Nicholas Thompson
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Posted: 4th Nov 2006 02:43
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Quote: "While this is true in theory, there is nothing I as the end user can do about it. So I use the browser that works with all of them I visit. IE7 and IE6 both work great."

And thus you worsen the problem.

The ONLY reason stupid programmers make their sites work in IE* only is because the majority of people on this planet use the worst browser on this planet!

You say there is nothing you can do - but making the company realise that they're blocking out people due to their own inadequacies makes them realise its THEIR fault.

Saying this - I can also appreciate that its perfectly stupid to make your site NOT work in IE just because it doesn't support a feature it meant to, like PNG (not just 24's... It doesn't support Gamma properly in PNG8's either), etc.

Cross Browser Compatibility is a genuine issue and if a developer doesn't do this correctly - its the DEVELOPER's fault, NOT the USER.

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Don Malone
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Posted: 4th Nov 2006 03:53
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MS Bash ahead.

The sites that support IE6 but not Firefox or Opera (among others) is a feather in the cap of a company that creates dependency by subverting the standards. MS took the web page standards and then "extended them" by use of ActiveX controls and code that was outside the standard. If MS was on the outside looking in; they would not have had much influence on the standard, but since almost every PC built came with their browser included for "free". They had a large voice. Most users are either to uninformed or don't care enough to even try other browsers so they don't know that they don't all work alike. Well with MS's built in dominance and extended functionality. Web sites started to get more helpful and automated. Of course with MS's past designs as basis for their products; security became an issue; as much because they were a large target as that they did not take the big picture into consideration (my opinion only). ActiveX and the OS tied browser; lead to security issues. When a security issue arises on a windows machine, it could be more severe than other OS breaches because of the tied in browser and OS link.

I have used Firefox since the initial public release candidate was announced.
I use Firefox (currently 2.0) for slightly more security, Opera for slightly easier viewing of some websites (like some of the wide posts seen on this forum) if needed, and IE7 sits on my system, collecting dust. Used only when an uninformed site makes me and I can not do without it.

Some older extensions and addons can be used with the installation of MR Techs Local Installer. It will allow you to bypass the checks for version of browser. I currently am using Spoofstick which would not install with out that addon installed.
https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/421/

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Benjamin
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Posted: 4th Nov 2006 07:09
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Quote: "The ONLY reason stupid programmers make their sites work in IE* only is because the majority of people on this planet use the worst browser on this planet!"

Strange, I thought the majority of people use IE.



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Lost in Thought
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Posted: 4th Nov 2006 09:19
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Thats what he is saying in his post

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Benjamin
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Posted: 4th Nov 2006 09:53
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Quote: "Thats what he is saying in his post"

Yes, by saying what I said I was implying that IE isn't the worst browser on the planet.

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Manic
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Posted: 4th Nov 2006 13:09
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i finally joined the FF crowd today, after a long time of not doing it, because i couldn't be arsed, i broke because i need it to get onto my course's website.

there's no looking back now.

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Nicholas Thompson
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Posted: 4th Nov 2006 16:57
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Hehe... Some people just dont get sarcasm

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The dude guy
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Posted: 4th Nov 2006 17:32
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Although sarcasm is a little more difficult to comprehend over the internet
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Lost in Thought
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Posted: 5th Nov 2006 02:21
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Especially in the wee hours of the morning

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Posted: 5th Nov 2006 02:24
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sarchasm: the comedy gulf between the the creator of sarcastic wit, and the recipient, who doesn't get it.


Lost In Thought, just clicked on your site by accident (this whole middle click on firefox will take some getting used to), you spelt "portfolio" wrong. Just so you know.

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Lost in Thought
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Posted: 5th Nov 2006 02:37
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Quote: "Lost In Thought, just clicked on your site by accident (this whole middle click on firefox will take some getting used to), you spelt "portfolio" wrong. Just so you know."


Actually my name is Joey. The web space and domain is mine, but I let my bro (Brandon) use it for his art portfolio. All I do with it is store files on it and host a few sites for people. Thanks for telling me though, I'll let him know

Also why is firefox not in the dictionary that comes with firefox
I guess they want you to spell it with a capital F.

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a_coppard
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It's the only browser I used, because the IE7 installation really ^&*(£$ up my system.

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Oh and the hover on the links is not accessible, and according to rules you could get sued

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