Sorry your browser is not supported!

You are using an outdated browser that does not support modern web technologies, in order to use this site please update to a new browser.

Browsers supported include Chrome, FireFox, Safari, Opera, Internet Explorer 10+ or Microsoft Edge.

Geek Culture / Sony destroys Lik-Sang!

Author
Message
Chris K
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 7th Oct 2003
Location: Lake Hylia
Posted: 26th Oct 2006 00:34
Link
Christ so are most of the other games. Wouldn't really hurt Microsoft if people bought new Vista PCs instead of a PS3..

-= Out here in the fields, I fight for my meals =-
Back to top
Profile PM
Chris Franklin
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 2nd Aug 2005
Location: UK
Posted: 26th Oct 2006 00:50 Edited at: 26th Oct 2006 01:00
Link
I'll probably get flamed for this but i actually like sony , m$ ripped off the ps2 so what if the 360 comes out earlier we are forced to pay to use our own pc's (Windows ) why should m$ get anymore? they shouldn't hopefully when bill retires some people might realise how buggy windows is i for one won't be using vista for sometime i'm not buying a new pc just so i can run a new version of windows i could just put a skin on xp to make it look like vista

maybe if microsoft concentrated more on dev'ing some decent software that worked properly instead of trying to find ways to make more money more people might buy their stuff (Including me i've payed for xp and that's it) hopefully one day they'll come to their sense's and actually do this even tho i'm not buying a next gen console yet i will be going for a ps3 (No it's not because it's sony) all / most of my fav games are on ps3 or pc : gran turisom , Call of duty and alot more i don't know about you but even tho sony have messed up their position here i still think the ps3 will sell well.

sure i'm not going to pay £450 for a console noone wants to but remeber the 360 cost that when it was first released they had to drop the price to sell it anyone get a psp on release? i didn't i waited a few months dieing to get one and i got mine + a 2 gig memory stick for £125 from gamestation games have dropped to £20 and i can honestly see sony going in the right and wrong directions
and although i've never even heard of lik-sang i'm sure there's other importing sites just as good out there try google sure bluray might die quick for normal media players and rw drives or even the console drive my ps2 dvd drive died for playing films within a few weeks it still plays games perfect years on it happens there's nothing you can change about it unless you go yell in the manager's face but who want's to do that anyway time to finish my mini essay


Edit:wow my longest post on any forum ever

My nvidia compo entry
Back to top
Profile PM Website
Chris K
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 7th Oct 2003
Location: Lake Hylia
Posted: 26th Oct 2006 01:03 Edited at: 26th Oct 2006 01:04
Link
There is so much wrong in that post...

I'm not sure I can be bothered to go through the whole thing.

Quote: "we are forced to pay to use our own pc's (Windows )"


I am sorry, WHAT?

Also, I GUARTANTEE, you will get Vista.

-= Out here in the fields, I fight for my meals =-
Back to top
Profile PM
Chris Franklin
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 2nd Aug 2005
Location: UK
Posted: 26th Oct 2006 01:09
Link
Quote: "There is so much wrong in that post..."


I'll check it all sometime tired right now tho spent 6 hours on 6 trains today

Quote: "
I am sorry, WHAT?

Also, I GUARTANTEE, you will get Vista."


First of all not all pc's have a pre installed windows if you don't own a copy then ya bust + you can only reinstall a set amount of times anyway so... yea

Secondly i said i won't be getting vista for a while i didn't say i won't be getting it ever

My nvidia compo entry
Back to top
Profile PM Website
Megaton Cat
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 24th Aug 2003
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posted: 26th Oct 2006 01:09 Edited at: 26th Oct 2006 01:11
Link
Quote: "sure i'm not going to pay £450 for a console noone wants to but remeber the 360 cost that when it was first released they had to drop the price to sell it anyone get a psp on release?"


Alright, first of all, you really need to start putting commas in your paragraphs. Even people who don't have English as their native language can follow the rules of grammar.

Second, what is this $844 system you're talking about?

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Chris Franklin
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 2nd Aug 2005
Location: UK
Posted: 26th Oct 2006 01:12 Edited at: 26th Oct 2006 01:13
Link
Quote: "Second, what is this $844 system you're talking about? "


That's what i was told in Game (Local console gaming store) for adecent version of the ps3 that is

Quote: "Alright, first of all, you really need to start putting commas in your paragraphs."


yea sorry

My nvidia compo entry
Back to top
Profile PM Website
Megaton Cat
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 24th Aug 2003
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posted: 26th Oct 2006 01:15
Link
Thinking you overshot the price there a little bit.

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Bizar Guy
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 20th Apr 2005
Location: Bostonland
Posted: 26th Oct 2006 01:19 Edited at: 26th Oct 2006 01:20
Link
Quote: "I'll probably get flamed for this "

You're right. NO ONE is allowed to defend Sony but Matt Rock.
And you never mentioned the Wii. Are you afraid we'll flame you to death if you do ('cause we will, you know).

Quote: "zenicanin14

User


Joined: Wed Oct 25th 2006
Location: bosnia, England "

hmm...


Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Chris Franklin
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 2nd Aug 2005
Location: UK
Posted: 26th Oct 2006 01:24 Edited at: 26th Oct 2006 01:25
Link
Quote: "Am I the only one who laughed out loud when they read that?"


i would have done but i'd wake the house up

Quote: "Thinking you overshot the price there a little bit. "


lol o well i'll buy the cheap one then

My nvidia compo entry
Back to top
Profile PM Website
Jeku
Moderator
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 4th Jul 2003
Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Posted: 26th Oct 2006 01:27
Link
Don't worry, I have a free half hour here to pull apart your post

Quote: "m$ ripped off the ps2"


What do you mean by this? Ripped of the PS2? Explain please.

Quote: "we are forced to pay to use our own pc's (Windows ) why should m$ get anymore?"


No, in fact like you said you can run a PC without Windows. Nobody is *forcing* you to pay Microsoft for your copy of Windows.

Quote: "maybe if microsoft concentrated more on dev'ing some decent software that worked properly instead of trying to find ways to make more money more people might buy their stuff"


Well, MS is a "for-profit" business, like most, so you can't blame them for trying to find ways to make more money . And MS has made TONS of decent software. Ever use Visual Studio .NET? It's top of its class.

Quote: "sure bluray might die quick for normal media players"


Yes, but that's a HUGE reason many are going to get PS3, because of the Blu-Ray drive. The regular Blu-Ray players cost around $800-1000 here (or so I've been told), so if the format dies, Sony had better have a Plan B for their PS3.

http://www.codercafe.com - My blog
Ben Stein's Christmas Thoughts
Back to top
Profile PM Website
Chris K
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 7th Oct 2003
Location: Lake Hylia
Posted: 26th Oct 2006 01:41
Link
Word and VC++ 2005 are good enough for me to forgive Microsoft murdering most of my immeadiate family.

-= Out here in the fields, I fight for my meals =-
Back to top
Profile PM
Raven
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 23rd Mar 2005
Location: Hertfordshire, England
Posted: 26th Oct 2006 02:22
Link
Quote: "Yes, but that's a HUGE reason many are going to get PS3, because of the Blu-Ray drive. The regular Blu-Ray players cost around $800-1000 here (or so I've been told), so if the format dies, Sony had better have a Plan B for their PS3."


The format is already doomed in Europe, and is struggling in Japan. No idea how it's doing in the States but can't see it performing much better.

Problem with it is, market penetration.
HD-DVD just made it first... unfortunately Sony won't do what Panasonic did back when DVD-ROM and DVD-RAM were fighting for the pro-dominance. If Sony cut-back and let HD-DVD take the lime light, then they would still be able to serve BluRay to the nitch market. Right now I'm personally still using the DVD-RAM, which were aparently the basis for the BluRay format anyway.

With the way Sony do business they work on the ethics of "All or Nothing", hense why Betamax died out. It's still used today by a number of people, aparently according to my mates dad who repairs VCRs and such he still gets quite a few in each month for overhauling. The format is great, just Sony were in a too little, too late position.

This isn't like the PS2 where they were helping to solify the position of a technology already breaking the market. It's a firm case of the PS3 trying to lead the market. Ironically it is the damn disc format that has actually caused the delays with the console.

Quote: "maybe if microsoft concentrated more on dev'ing some decent software that worked properly instead of trying to find ways to make more money more people might buy their stuff"


You should read some of the independant testing documents about Microsoft products, in-particular Microsoft Windows NT 5.0 (2000)
It's been proven the most stable X86-Compatible operating system currently available for purchase and/or free download.

Also think about this for a second.
Microsoft have sold 3 main software packages over the years.

Windows - X86 Compatible Operating System
Office - Complete solution for everyday business and office work
Visual Studio - Complete multi-platform development solution

These are their main items. Everything else is FREE, and have been for the entire lifetime.

Microsoft have never charged for their Media Player, Internet Browser, E-Mail Access Software, Anti-Malware, Firewall, Development Libraries, as well as packing light versions of all of their major retail software (except Windows) as either free downloads or part of Windows itself.

You spend what, £50 on getting Windows Vista Core in February... but just remember what Microsoft are providing and have been for years.

Microsoft Office now has a perminant FREE online edition.
Microsoft Visual Studio now have FREE Express editions.

On the whole, about all you REALLY have to pay for is the fee for the Operating System in order to utilise all of these technologies.

Would you prefer it, if Microsoft provided a free OS but charged for everything else?

Intel Pentium-D 2.8GHz, 512MB DDR2 433, Ati Radeon X1600 Pro 256MB PCI-E, Windows Vista RC1 / XP Professional SP2
Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Matt Rock
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 5th Mar 2005
Location: Binghamton NY USA
Posted: 26th Oct 2006 05:26
Link
I wasn't trying to say that the PS4 will be an awesome system, but I was most definitely predicting that people who hate Sony will be saying how much it sucks from the instant it's announced until a few years after production on it has stopped. Garaunteed, people will say it's doomed to fail before it's released, even if the system looks amazing.

At the end of the day, love it or hate it, the PS3 is an awesome system, and if you don't like the lineup on the console, that's a matter of taste. To most consumers the lineup is full of games they actually want to play, and I'm sure I could find a few dozen million people to support that fact. This stuff with Lik Sang might hurt them in the eyes of indie game developers and hardcore nintendo/ microsoft fans, but otherwise, no one is going to really care. If they cared about big business picking on little businesses, Wal-Mart would be out of business, and I wouldn't be so aggressive all the time

Quote: "I still stand by the fact that Nintendo and Microsoft are doing a better job than Sony"

360 sales have been lackluster to say the least. Nintendo has a huge image problem dropped in their lap from the gamecube... average consumers (I don't mean amateur/ professional software designers like us or hardcore Nintendo fans, I mean Joe Q. Fraternity who doesn't care about technical aspects) think the Gamecube was a "party console" (I can't possibly be the only person whose heard that phrase), and they need to prove to general consumers that the Wii is a serious console with a serious mission. If they can get over that then they'll pose a serious threat to Sony, but Microsoft certainly isn't/ won't, seeing as how, according to Andy Swerer of CNN's Market Watch, Sony's PS2 is still somehow managing to keep up with the 360 in sales. I honestly thought the 360 was going to be a powerhouse and have a strong start, but it didn't... so I was wrong with that prediction But hey, I've been right SOOO many times about the PS1 and PS2 that I can afford to be wrong once about Microsoft

Quote: "m$ ripped off the ps2 "

No they didn't, and if they did I missed how. The 360 is, for what it's worth, a decent console... and if it weren't for my feverish for Sony I might actually say it's a good one But to say it ripped off the PS2 is pretty silly... I can't see how you could come to that conclusion. Leave Sony's defense to us seasoned veterans lol. And again we should clarify that the PS3's prices are set in stone in the US and it's being released at $499 and $599, not well over $800. That might be an ebay extortion price though, I've heard that those are going up to around $2500 already, and the scary part is, people are willing to pay it if it can get their kid the new console before Santa shows up.

Quote: "You're right. NO ONE is allowed to defend Sony but Matt Rock."

Really? I don't know if I should be honored or afraid lol.


"In an interstellar burst, I'm back to save the universe"
Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Bizar Guy
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 20th Apr 2005
Location: Bostonland
Posted: 26th Oct 2006 06:00 Edited at: 26th Oct 2006 13:43
Link
Quote: "Really? I don't know if I should be honored or afraid lol."

Think of it as an honor.

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Krilik
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 16th Mar 2006
Location: Arizona, USA
Posted: 26th Oct 2006 09:04
Link
Quote: "They didn't have to put them out of business just to get them to remove the Sony products now did they?"

Apparently they did. Lik-Sang refused to stop selling PSPs to UK residents back in August of 2005 when they were first sued for doing so. And I don't mean they didn't understand it, they flat out said No to Sony's request thinking it was legal to do so.

Besides, the accusations Lik-Sang made after the lawsuit was absurdly misleading. "Multiple" lawsuits meant one in Hong Kong in August 2005, and one in the UK in October of 2006. I'm sure they were swamped with legal matters. I think I'm going to reiterate what I said before:

"If they were smart they would have just settled the case and quit selling PSPs to UK residents last year."

"Lik-Sang broke UK law, copyright laws, and privacy laws... Its a too bad situation."


Quote: "Sony makes less of a profit here because they only get the same amount from it as they would elsewhere, rather than the extortionate prices they charge."

&
Quote: "Honestly does anyone believe this is about EU/UK Safety guidelines?
Do you think they are completely thinking about our well being and the end-user experience?"


That was the whole point of the lawsuit "unlawfully interferes with Sony's economical interests". Lik-Sang extorted an illegal method of business, whether or not people "liked" it.

Here is an example:

Someone who lives in Amsterdam can sell marijuana legally. So that someone in Amsertdam decides to "export" the legal substance to another country where it is illegal. That someone is punishable by the law of the country where it is illegal. I don't see what people don't get about that.

If anything people should be upset about UK law. That's the immediate cause of the "extortion" of prices everyone is complaining about. Somehow though people seem to rationalize Sony's actions that delay products to the UK, make them more expensive, and prevent the "exact" same product from other regions being sold in the UK as a price extortion, because its wrong to pay for products within your own country. But its okay for UK retailers to take a loss on products they can't sell to residents because its "cheaper" for them to get it elsewhere, even though all consoles to date have been and always will be more expensive in the UK. (example below) So people's main complaint is "I don't have a choice", even though Sony didn't make the law, had only a presuasion of the decision, while the opposition quits, and doesn't even bother to defend you anymore than Sony decides to "protect" consumers.

Xbox 360 Core System UK £199.99 ($374)
Xbox 360 Core System US $299.99

Coincidence? NO


Quote: "Nobody is *forcing* you to pay Microsoft for your copy of Windows."

The law does. I'm pretty sure you're going to get shady looks if you own a pirated OS.
Quote: "Well, MS is a "for-profit" business, like most, so you can't blame them for trying to find ways to make more money"

But people can blame Sony for doing the same thing?
Quote: "Yes, but that's a HUGE reason many are going to get PS3, because of the Blu-Ray drive. The regular Blu-Ray players cost around $800-1000 here (or so I've been told), so if the format dies, Sony had better have a Plan B for their PS3."

Last time I checked the PS3 was a gaming console first, and a cheap Blu Ray player second. And its not that huge of a reason. As I see it through countless people "telling" me about it, its more the opposite. People are refusing to buy PS3s specifically because they don't want to pay more for a Blu Ray player, nor do they need one. Its a bonus to those who were going to buy a PS3 to play games.
Back to top
Profile PM
Jeku
Moderator
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 4th Jul 2003
Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Posted: 26th Oct 2006 10:15
Link
Quote: "The law does. I'm pretty sure you're going to get shady looks if you own a pirated OS."


Um, I didn't mean it that way. I meant nobody is forcing you to use Windows

Quote: "But people can blame Sony for doing the same thing?"


No. I didn't blame Sony for trying to make money. I don't see where I'm the bad guy here.

Quote: "Garaunteed, people will say it's doomed to fail before it's released, even if the system looks amazing."


Actually, when the PS2 was announced up until its release, there was NOTHING like the negative publicity they have now. Believe you me, the industry hasn't seen this amount of negative press geared towards the industry leader... ever. Even Richard Davey said something to that effect.

Funny thing is, I remember being excited to read about the PS3 at E3. I downloaded the E3 Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo events from E3 2005, like many other little gaming lemmings, and drooled over the pretty prerendered movies (that Sony claimed were ingame footage, but that's another argument). But Sony kept making claims about how people would buy their console no matter what the price, and how people can replace their PCs with the PS3. Those kinds of comments made me, and other gamers angry.

So no, it's not like people hate Sony because it's Sony. Hell, I own Sony hardware--- in fact I swear by their digital video cameras. It's not like some magical negative stigma based on the Sony brand, as I have friends who also swear by their quality. But it's their sheer arrogance in the press (even you have to admit their arrogance) that really pisses us off.

http://www.codercafe.com - My blog
Ben Stein's Christmas Thoughts
Back to top
Profile PM Website
Kentaree
22
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 5th Oct 2002
Location: Clonmel, Ireland
Posted: 26th Oct 2006 11:42
Link
@Jeku: The other thing that pisses me off is their over-pricing. Take for example their Sony Vaio laptops, nice screen, laptop is mediocre at best, while Toshiba etc, have better laptops for cheaper prices.
Repeat this for <enter product here>
Just because it's more expensive doesn't automatically make it a good product, personally, the only thing I've at home belonging to Sony now is a PS2 belonging to my fiancé, every other bit of their hardware I've had I've slowly phased out

Nephin Games
Devhat Developer Network and IRC Channel
Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Raven
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 23rd Mar 2005
Location: Hertfordshire, England
Posted: 26th Oct 2006 12:13
Link
Quote: "If anything people should be upset about UK law. That's the immediate cause of the "extortion" of prices everyone is complaining about. Somehow though people seem to rationalize Sony's actions that delay products to the UK, make them more expensive, and prevent the "exact" same product from other regions being sold in the UK as a price extortion, because its wrong to pay for products within your own country. But its okay for UK retailers to take a loss on products they can't sell to residents because its "cheaper" for them to get it elsewhere, even though all consoles to date have been and always will be more expensive in the UK. (example below) So people's main complaint is "I don't have a choice", even though Sony didn't make the law, had only a presuasion of the decision, while the opposition quits, and doesn't even bother to defend you anymore than Sony decides to "protect" consumers.

Xbox 360 Core System UK £199.99 ($374)
Xbox 360 Core System US $299.99

Coincidence? NO"


Xbox 360 might be marked up, but you don't see Microsoft stopping Lik Sang from retailing. Especially more dangerous for them over Sony because the Xbox 360 is REGION FREE.

This isn't about some "huge" business who's making millions from import/export of huge numbers of luxury goods. If this was to protect UK business' or the Customers, then these lawsuits would've been presented by GAME the biggest UK(EU) electronic entertainment retailer.

It's all 100% because the company was not purchasing the hardware through Sony. This is about SONYs profits, not everyone elses best interests.

The court case could've forced and embargo due to their lack of goods tax. That's the long and short of what Sony got them on, not Safety regulations or anything. Same goes for the fact that rather than pushing to prevent this worldwide, Sony went to the one legal system where they knew they could win and sued rather than getting compensation and an import ban.

Sony knowingly destroyed Lik Sang, because they didn't understand law for every country. The rest of the world what they were doing was perfectly legal.

Intel Pentium-D 2.8GHz, 512MB DDR2 433, Ati Radeon X1600 Pro 256MB PCI-E, Windows Vista RC1 / XP Professional SP2
Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Jeku
Moderator
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 4th Jul 2003
Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Posted: 26th Oct 2006 20:20
Link
Quote: "because the Xbox 360 is REGION FREE."


No it isn't

I had a UK 360 magazine and demo disc gave me a region error and wouldn't work.

http://www.codercafe.com - My blog
Ben Stein's Christmas Thoughts
Back to top
Profile PM Website
Matt Rock
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 5th Mar 2005
Location: Binghamton NY USA
Posted: 26th Oct 2006 22:47
Link
I was hearing much of the same actually. When the PS2 was released, Sony execs said "This will be the most successful console of all time" and they were extremely rude in bashing the competition, particularly Nintendo. I remember an article in a gaming magazine around the time of the PS2's release where a Sony exec was quoted as saying something to the effect of "If Nintendo knows what's good for them they'll stop releasing consoles," and that had a bunch of people angry (I don't remember the exact quote, it's been a long time lol). I agreed at that time that it was wrong of them to do, but noted it wasn't going to hurt Playstation sales, and everyone disagreed. They said the price was far too high for anyone to buy it, but again, I disagreed. They said the technology was useless and no one would want it, and I disagreed yet again, even in the face of harsh criticism. I agree that hatred for the PS2 wasn't in the same volume as it is now, but the arguements haven't seemed to change much.

Sony is arguably the most arrogant company of all time. Every time they release a console, I hear them say something rediculous and everyone gets angry at them. This time it's "we don't need the PC anymore." Last time it was "We've got the biggest console of all time on our hands." I agree whole-heartedly that it was a dumb remark and probably the silliest thing Sony's brass has publically released. But I'm not sure which would be more surprising: Sony losing sales because they said cocky things, or Sony not saying cocky things in the future. My point is, the general public doesn't care about it. It emboldened hardcore Sony fans (not me, but I know a few nerdy people who are wearing that quote like it's a badge), and the overwhelming majority of console customers seem to be ignoring it.

At any rate, I agree that the Sony brass needs duct tape forced over their mouths prior to releasing a console, or maybe some "how to not be silly when commenting on your console" training, ultra-violence style , or better yet, some "How not to be seen" training from John Cleese for a few months prior to the console's debut. But what I said isn't aimed at people who are angry with what the executives said/ say, it's more aimed at the people who are looking for excuses as to why the PS3 is going to fail this round and are taking any opportunity they can to say just that. Hardcore XBox and Nintendo fans who are bitter at Sony's previous unmatched (and virtually unrivaled) victories in the console market, who are oblivious to the fact that, low-brow brass remarks aside, the PS3 looks to be a pretty dang-tootin' nifty console this round.

About pricing: In the console world, pricing is a difficult thing to configure to a system. If the price is too low, people won't take the console seriously (Gamecube is a perfect example of that). If the price is high but the console doesn't have good games and great functionality (the $700 3DO comes to mind, dang it Trip Hawkins, it's 1993 man!), no one will be willing to pay for it. The two pricepoints are smart moves on the part of Sony. Hardcore fanboys can brag that they have the better PS3, and penny-pinching moms who don't want Billy to cry on Christmas morning can save $100 during their holiday shopping. And to fans of Sony games, the lineup of launch titles is everything we could have asked for in a console launch, especially with games like MGS, The Getaway, Gran Turismo, and a new Final Fantasy down the road. Also, the PS3 is fully backward compatable (with games that followed the rules of Sony's TRC, or Technical Requirements Checklist), so it's releasing with thousands of titles. The cheap blu-ray player is a selling point as well, with dozens of movies already advertising a release on blu-ray. With the console being a technical powerhouse with loads of cool features and more than enough launch games, with plenty more scheduled for release soon, the appeal is there for people to pay for this console, and I garauntee you they will. Predicting a total shortage on PS3's, some ebay sellers are charging upwards of $2500 for the consoles already, like this PS3 for the low-low price of only $1,999. Sickening? Absolutely. Extortion? You bet. But some unlucky sap is going to outbid someone else just so they can get this console to their kid on time. And so it begins . But anyway, the price isn't a big concern for most consumers, and neither is the Sony bashing that's going around on the internet, which most people don't absorb. Neither will hurt the PS3's launch, and I've already got money riding on that


"In an interstellar burst, I'm back to save the universe"
Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
David R
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 9th Sep 2003
Location: 3.14
Posted: 26th Oct 2006 22:53
Link
Just out of interest, does anyone besides me think that the writing/font on the side of the PS3 looks strikingly similar to the font used for the Spider-man films (e.g. the main title text saying Spider man)

Par example:
http://www.sonypictures.com/homevideo/spider-man2/index.html

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Matt Rock
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 5th Mar 2005
Location: Binghamton NY USA
Posted: 26th Oct 2006 22:56
Link
lol I noticed that too. Spiderman is made by Sony though, so I'm wondering if it's some weird new font that we're going to start seeing on Sony's stuff.


"In an interstellar burst, I'm back to save the universe"
Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Dr Manette
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 17th Jan 2006
Location: BioFox Games hq
Posted: 26th Oct 2006 22:56
Link
@Matt, when I say Nintendo and Microsoft are doing a better job, I mean image wise. The fact is that Sony has had so much negative press that it's coming out of their ears, it's ridiculous the amount that's occured. And Sony didn't help themselves in any way press wise by suing Lik Sang.

I can admit that the PS3 is a good system, but what bothers me is a) the price. For $599, I could buy two Wii's, priced at $249.99 or a wii and a 360, or almost two 360s! b) the whole prerendering thing with their videos and c) how they're calling the PS3 a "computer entertainment system" what's up with that? It almost makes me think they're trying to compete with microsoft both console wise and computer wise.

Bio Fox...four guys, one computer, games like nobody's business. Join our forum: http://biofox.aceboard.com
Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Megaton Cat
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 24th Aug 2003
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posted: 26th Oct 2006 23:04
Link
I don't remember any PS2 bashing going around before it's release...I do remember people waiting with foaming mouths though.

(And some very happy in the pants. )

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Matt Rock
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 5th Mar 2005
Location: Binghamton NY USA
Posted: 26th Oct 2006 23:14 Edited at: 26th Oct 2006 23:23
Link
Did you own a PS1? Or a PS2? Both were labeled as Computer Entertainment Systems, released by Sony Computer Entertainment Incorporated, or SCEI. That's partially due to many of the Playstation's engineers being brought over from Vaio projects. Unfortunately, that all got to the heads of Sony's execs and wham-o, they started talking smack . As for the price, it's high, and won't come down for 6 months to a year, but as I illustrated a short while ago I'm 100% positive that people are more than willing to pay it. The 360's poor sales performance will need to be improved upon dramatically if Microsoft intends to keep up. Nintendo is smart for releasing the Wii at a higher price-point than they had previously released the Gamecube, and it also has a great title lineup, so at this point they're Sony's biggest threat, but again, they need to combat their image problems amongst the people who aren't hardcore Nintendo fans. Pre-rendering is something Sony apparently loves to do. They did it with the PS2 as well, as many of you may recall. Why do they do that? Who knows, but I'm sure it's also not going to hurt sales. It didn't with the PS2 anyway. I hate it too, but eh, what can you do.

Edit: there was tons of PS2 bashing. Not to the same degree there is now with the PS3, but I knew tons of people who thought it was a stupid console and Sony was stupid for releasing it, and the internet was flustered with people who thought Nintendo's Dolphin and Microsoft secret X system were both going to annihalate the PS2. Yahoo's chat rooms were filled to the brim with people who hated Sony's console and I found myself often arguing tooth and nail with dozens of people at once, none of whom paid up when they lost their bets lol. And I was hearing it in online games like Rogue Spear, too. There just wasn't as much then as there is now.


"In an interstellar burst, I'm back to save the universe"
Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Chris K
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 7th Oct 2003
Location: Lake Hylia
Posted: 26th Oct 2006 23:15
Link
Quote: "And to fans of Sony games, the lineup of launch titles is everything we could have asked for in a console launch"


What? Really??

Everything you could have hoped for???

I can't see one AAA game.

-= Out here in the fields, I fight for my meals =-
Back to top
Profile PM
Matt Rock
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 5th Mar 2005
Location: Binghamton NY USA
Posted: 26th Oct 2006 23:33
Link
Quote: "I can't see one AAA game."


Of course you can't, if you don't like Sony's games. Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, Gran Turismo HD, The Getaway 3, Killzone, Final Fantasy XIII, Tekken 6, Mobile Suit Gundam, Untold Legends (which I won't be playing), those are all PS3 exclusive and highly-anticipated ammendments to their respective series'. Not to mention all of the cross-platform games that'll be on the PS3. Again, Sony fans love the lineup, and people who are more into Nintendo or M$ are going to bash it because they aren't into those games. I don't know many Sony fans who don't like the lineup, there's a few but they're few and far-between, and you won't find a single Sony Loyalist who isn't perfectly content with the lineup, but that goes without saying


"In an interstellar burst, I'm back to save the universe"
Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Jeku
Moderator
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 4th Jul 2003
Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Posted: 26th Oct 2006 23:43
Link
Um, those aren't all launch titles

http://www.codercafe.com - My blog
Ben Stein's Christmas Thoughts
Back to top
Profile PM Website
Chris K
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 7th Oct 2003
Location: Lake Hylia
Posted: 26th Oct 2006 23:48
Link
Yeah I was about to say.

Also:

Quote: "Killzone"


Bit mysterious how that's gone missing since 2005 isn't it?

-= Out here in the fields, I fight for my meals =-
Back to top
Profile PM
Richard Davey
Retired Moderator
22
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 30th Apr 2002
Location: On the Jupiter Probe
Posted: 27th Oct 2006 02:06
Link
I bought a PS2 at launch. I had it on pre-order for months, was one of the first to get it when officially launched. It was significantly better than any other console at the time, but the launch line-up was really unimpressive. I remember Ridge Racer being a real let-down. It looked stunning, the intro video was amazing, but the game sucked. Same goes for that Fantasia game, never got into that. Tekken Tag again had a *stunning* intro, real jaw-dropping stuff, but the game itself wasn't so hot. Infact if it hadn't been for SSX I would have been quite upset with my purchase!

Then after a few months some real nice games started coming out, and then after a year some REALLY nice games came out. It only got better really. I don't play on my PS2 much at all now, but mostly because the PC has caught-up and overtaken it for all those kind of games, and the wife and I game on the Gamecube more (the games are far more social). But we did spend hours and hours on the PS2, battling through Baldurs Gate, various SSX games, the amazing Kuri Kuri Mix, etc etc. It was an extremely great console with a phenomenal amount of quality titles for it.

I was all set to buy the PS3 at launch until I watched the Sony E3 conference and realised that actually, on day-one there would be nothing worth playing on it. So figured it'd be better to wait a year and in the meantime get a Wii, because the games look such awesome fun. So I did. I pre-ordered the Wii, a 2nd controller for my wife, and we'll happily play that for now. If Halo 3 rocks then I may consider a 360, but until then there isn't a single other game that makes me want one.

This time around Sony don't have a clear lead. The PlayStation pissed all over everything else at the time, and it was revolutionary owning one. The PS2 was a worthy successor, and again eclipsed anything else no the market, and it was a good solid gaming investment. The PS3 has a tough fight on its hands, but eventually my money says Sony will win if, as usual, they get the esoteric devs on their side that create the wonderful titles you can *only* experience on the PlayStation brand.

Time will tell.

"Bite my shiny metal ass" (Futurama)
"Don't ping my cheese with your bandwidth" (Dilbert)
Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Bizar Guy
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 20th Apr 2005
Location: Bostonland
Posted: 27th Oct 2006 02:31
Link
Attack the crabs weak point for maxamium damaged. Yeah, Untold Legends looks amazing.
And yes, I have followed it's development, and that quote about sums it up. Glad to hear you wont play it. And if that's considered a AAA game, then...

Personaly none of the games you mentioned perked my intrest, exept FFXII, because I like rpgs, and am looking into FFIII for the ds. I guess that's one of the reasons I never became a Sony fan.

One of the biggest things the Wii has going for it lauch day, is Zelda. A bit obvious, but when Nintendo realeases what is suposed to be their greatest game of all time as a launch title... That's pretty stiif competition. About 75% of Wii buyers or so will be buying it, many on launch day for that game alone. If those ps3 titles were AAA, then Zelda is a D cell..

I'm not too fond of the 360 either. The only redeaming qualities I see in it is Fable 2 and a price point less than $600. Obviously, I'll wait to get Fable 2 on Vista, cause we all know it won't be running of xp,

While you may very well be right about te ps3 winning Matt, what you're seeing here is the power of wishing. We really want the ps3 to fail, and obviously we didn't wish hard enough last time with the ps2. This time we're wishing so hard that Sony is F***ing up even before launch date, which is encouraging us even more. I mean, with even more hate floating around the internet for Sony than Microsoft, how can our wishes fail us?

And you know what the best consol of the Last generation was? (The ps2, xbox, and gc one)

Dreamcast. Hands down.

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Matt Rock
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 5th Mar 2005
Location: Binghamton NY USA
Posted: 27th Oct 2006 04:01
Link
Some aren't launch titles, but they're announced already, and those titles are more than likely going to affect the wallets of people looking at the PS3 in a good way for Sony. Some of them I don't really care for, like Legends... I'm not an RPG fan. And while I think that game lacks a lot of qualities that other RPG's have, I've heard a lot of people bring that game up as being a primary reason for them to purchase the PS3. The games I'm the most enthralled about are MGS 4 and Gran Turismo, and the Getaway 3 looks awesome too. imo, The Getaway might be the prettiest game I've seen in a very, very long time, and with rumors circulating that they're opening up all of London and a number of "suburban" areas as well, it might just be my favorite game in the lineup, although it'll be hard to steal my love from Metal Gear

You aren't excited about the PS3 games, I'm not excited about the Wii games... that's to be expected. I love MGS, you love Zelda, that's how Sony & Nintendo fans are supposed to react

What I'd really like to see come out for the PS3 though is a variation of the console similar to Sony's Net Yaroze. Especially without regional codes. Would be a ton of fun and might provide Sony a bit of allowance on their claim that the PS3 is a proper computer I'd also love to wish for on open-ended EULA to come with the unit, but eh, I'm already thinking far too wishfully


"In an interstellar burst, I'm back to save the universe"
Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Dr Manette
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 17th Jan 2006
Location: BioFox Games hq
Posted: 27th Oct 2006 04:08
Link
Zelda rules!

Anyways, at at this point, I think we can all agree that the nintendo fan isn't going to agree with the Sony fan and vise versa. They're like opposites really, and the consoles show that (white wii and black PS3). As long as everyone's happy with their favorite console, I don't think it really matters whether the PS3 wins or the Wii or the 360. Unless you work for their company... too bad I don't buy consoles for one game, because Metal Gear solid does look sweet!

Bio Fox...four guys, one computer, games like nobody's business. Join our forum: http://biofox.aceboard.com
Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Krilik
18
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 16th Mar 2006
Location: Arizona, USA
Posted: 27th Oct 2006 04:30 Edited at: 27th Oct 2006 04:40
Link
Quote: "No. I didn't blame Sony for trying to make money. I don't see where I'm the bad guy here."

I didn't accuse you of doing it. I asked you a question. I'm just trying to clear up that making money, regardless of the company, is, or should be regarded as okay. And for the benefit of the people who seem to think this lawsuit was "bad", need to take this into consideration.

Quote: "Xbox 360 might be marked up, but you don't see Microsoft stopping Lik Sang from retailing. Especially more dangerous for them over Sony because the Xbox 360 is REGION FREE."

The 360 is not region free as pointed out before. Some of the games are region free. The PS3 is region free, the PSP is region free, for games only. Besides, UK law hasn't determined that importing Xbox 360s from other regions is illegal, you have no point.

Quote: "This isn't about some "huge" business who's making millions from import/export of huge numbers of luxury goods. If this was to protect UK business' or the Customers, then these lawsuits would've been presented by GAME the biggest UK(EU) electronic entertainment retailer."

And yet what Lik-Sang was doing was still illegal. What difference does it make if a multi-million dollar corporation does something illegal, and Joe-Shmoe does something illegal? And no, GAME wouldn't have presented these lawsuits because they have no jurisdication to do so. At the time of the first lawsuit, GAME wasn't selling PSPs in the UK, so the sale of PSPs through Lik-Sang had no effect on GAME whatsoever. Sony presented this thing long before UK retailers even had PSPs to sell.

Quote: "It's all 100% because the company was not purchasing the hardware through Sony. This is about SONYs profits, not everyone elses best interests.

The court case could've forced and embargo due to their lack of goods tax. That's the long and short of what Sony got them on, not Safety regulations or anything. Same goes for the fact that rather than pushing to prevent this worldwide, Sony went to the one legal system where they knew they could win and sued rather than getting compensation and an import ban.

Sony knowingly destroyed Lik Sang, because they didn't understand law for every country. The rest of the world what they were doing was perfectly legal.
"

I'm not arguing what it was about, I know what it is about, because there was an official statement about it. Maybe you missed the part where I said "unlawfully interferes with Sony's economical interests". You don't like the fact that Sony wants to enforce this. That's tough luck, Sony has no obligation to not enforce the law for its own economical benefit just like any other company. What you want is for Sony to bite the bullet and let illegal things happen because some people benefit from it.

There was no reason to prevent this worldwide. If you live in Australia and don't feel like paying $100 more for a PS3 and PSP you can import them from Japan or US, its not illegal. The reason why Sony took this to a UK court is because that's where the problem was. Why shouldn't Sony be allowed to enforce ALL legal systems, where and when something illegal is going on? When you sell merchandise out of the country you operate in, you as a business, have an obligation to follow rules and standards of the country you are exporting to, (read my Amsterdam example). This leads me back to what I said before:

"If they were smart they would have just settled the case and quit selling PSPs to UK residents last year."

Lik-Sang was NOT forced to go out of business because of this, they openly and deliberatly denied to stop doing something illegal. And when UK court found them of doing something illegal they got upset? Too bad so sad. They didn't even bother to argue about it so I have no sympathy.
Back to top
Profile PM
Bizar Guy
19
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 20th Apr 2005
Location: Bostonland
Posted: 27th Oct 2006 06:06 Edited at: 27th Oct 2006 06:08
Link
Quote: "You aren't excited about the PS3 games, I'm not excited about the Wii games... that's to be expected. I love MGS, you love Zelda, that's how Sony & Nintendo fans are supposed to react "

You know, the only zelda games I've ever played are handhelds.
I'm one of those guys who says teh pc is better and doesn't buy a console. The reason the Wii is really impressive to me is that I'm actually buying one. Nintendo is doing something right if they can find a game type the pc can't do just as good or better (I have a 360 controler, which I use for all my games with sucky keyboard controls). And with the virtual consol, I now have a way to go back and but the games I missed. Can't wait to finaly play Orcerena of Time and Windwaker and a bunch of others.
I'm also more of a platformer, and the game that I'm most exited about is galaxy. Pure genius.

Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Jeku
Moderator
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 4th Jul 2003
Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Posted: 27th Oct 2006 10:26
Link
Quote: "I'm also more of a platformer, and the game that I'm most exited about is galaxy. Pure genius."


Just wait until you play Mario Galaxy--- it's so damn fun

http://www.codercafe.com - My blog
Ben Stein's Christmas Thoughts
Back to top
Profile PM Website
Chris K
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 7th Oct 2003
Location: Lake Hylia
Posted: 27th Oct 2006 11:41 Edited at: 27th Oct 2006 11:42
Link
I'm sorry, Matt, you said:

Quote: "And to fans of Sony games, the lineup of launch titles is everything we could have asked for in a console launch"


How is the launch lineup, everything you could have hoped for???

"the lineup of launch titles is everything we could have asked for".

I can't see one good game. I mean, really, there is not one game that isn't utterly standard next-gen.

I think it will take some time for PS3 to catch up with 360 in the quality of the games.

In Europe, I think PS3 will not perform well.

No one is denying that it is an awesome machine, I just haven't seen anything to make me want one more than a 360.

Of course, I want to play MGS4, but more than I want Gears, Mass Effect, Bioshock and Alan Wake? And the extra content for GTA4? And £100??

No.

---

Just saw a report than said Sony's profits were down 95% this year

-= Out here in the fields, I fight for my meals =-
Back to top
Profile PM
Saikoro
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 6th Oct 2003
Location: California
Posted: 27th Oct 2006 11:45
Link
Quote: "Just saw a report than said Sony's profits were down 95% this year"

And Nintendos are up 72% ^_^


My band Phoenix Ophelia : http://www.myspace.com/phoenixophelia
Back to top
Profile PM Email Website
Chenak
22
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 13th Sep 2002
Location: United Kingdom
Posted: 27th Oct 2006 14:47
Link
The real MGS4 screenshots look CRAP. They are 10 times worse than the supposedly ingame footage released a while back.

Hopefully after actually playing it, it will be a lot better. But at the moment its not even passing as very bad ps2 style graphics.

So yer, not trusting the ps3 at the moment, way too many lies from sony.
Back to top
Profile PM
Chris K
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 7th Oct 2003
Location: Lake Hylia
Posted: 27th Oct 2006 15:35
Link
Hmm... I wouldn't say they were PS2 standard, but they're certainly not as good as Gears of War.

I used to think that Snake's hair looked amazing, till I saw it in this screenshot:

http://uk.media.ps3.ign.com/media/714/714044/img_3975857.html

And realised it was a pretty cheap effect that only worked from certain angles. From certain angles it does look awesome.

-= Out here in the fields, I fight for my meals =-
Back to top
Profile PM
Chenak
22
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 13th Sep 2002
Location: United Kingdom
Posted: 27th Oct 2006 15:49
Link
I would say its worse than resievil4 so thats where i got the ps2 standard from. Snakes hair looks crap in the actual screen shots, well not crap just standard and not new at all. The cutscene screenshots of course look good because they are prerendered.

They can have over 30gb of stuff to store and they couldn't even have high res textures? It just looks bad, especially for an "all powerful console" and after the hype from the fake videos. Now the other thing is, is there actually any gameplay or story line?

Wouldn't beable to tell without playing it but im not holding my breath. Looks like they used too much of there time making beautiful movies for cutscenes.
Back to top
Profile PM
Jeku
Moderator
21
Years of Service
User Offline
Joined: 4th Jul 2003
Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Posted: 27th Oct 2006 19:31
Link
Quote: "And to fans of Sony games, the lineup of launch titles is everything we could have asked for in a console launch"


Actually, that looks like it was lifted straight from a Sony ad or somewhat, word for word!

@Chris - Yah, that screenshot definitely doesn't look *that* amazing. Actually it doesn't even look as good as the new Splinter Cell game on the 360.

http://www.codercafe.com - My blog
Ben Stein's Christmas Thoughts
Back to top
Profile PM Website
Back to top

Login to post a reply

Server time is: 2024-11-17 19:43:05
Your offset time is: 2024-11-17 19:43:05