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Dazzag
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Posted: 6th Nov 2006 23:13 Edited at: 6th Nov 2006 23:14
I read somewhere once that the Trek writers normally added the word TECH to their scripts so that geekier Trek guys would put the required tech explanation in without corrupting the whole Trek universe (normally worked...). So "To avoid the TECH influence on the Enterprise, then Scotty used the TECH. Before they knew it the TECH had influenced the TECH, and caused much less TECH to be leaked from the TECH. This way the Romulan TECH could not lock onto the Enterprise TECH without using the Vulcan TECH from TECH which was created by TECH in TECH without the aid of TECH or TECH." Or something like that

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Posted: 7th Nov 2006 00:56 Edited at: 7th Nov 2006 00:56
lol. Sorry but that's pretty much alot of Tosh. Books have been published such as the physics of star trek, and various technical manuals for the ships. They are worded well, and have alot of nice technical looking diagrams in them but that's about it really. The reality is that trekies want to beleive that what they hear is true. But having numerous books relating to qauntum physics, extra-dimentional physics (mainly relating to worm holes), and having done several electronics courses over the years. I've come to the destict and simple understanding that star trek is written by writers and not scientists. I know that seems very, very, obvious, but to anyone who has little or no understanding, the hints and words used in the series, coupled with a blind faith that what's being said is in any way meaningful, it is easy for people to beleive that what is protrayed in the star trek universe is possible.

Anyway, I've been a star trek fan since the next generation started showing on TV, I've lost heart in the whole thing once the TNG films started becomming more and more "Picard saves the day". Star Trek really ended for me about half way though the DS9 series, when the violance started taking control of it. Voyager and Enterprise are pretty much identical in styles. They've used up all the interesting storylines now, it's degraded into fighting. Unless they drastically reinvent the whole thing, as they did with battlestar galactica, I doubt I'll bother watching the next series they make. They've really got to get away from the whole "starfleet crew" thing, and start exploring other aspects of the universe.

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Posted: 7th Nov 2006 01:38
Here's a link to an article about a little-known German physicist (now dead) named Burkhard Heim.

http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/mg18925331.200-take-a-leap-into-hyperspace.html

He apparently was on the fringes of the scientific community because they thought him crazy. Modern physics is incapable of predicting a particle's mass with any accuracy but he made a formula to calculate it accurately... even though he was considered crazy.

He has a warp-travel theory that can actually be tested today on a machine at Sandia National Laboratories in New Mexico... but because of the scientists reputation of being "crazy" the guy that runs the Z-machine (Roger Lenard) won't allow the machine to be used to test if warp travel works with Burkhard Heims theory.

Roger Lenard is the greatest threat to scientific progress... our world doesn't need scientists who refuse to even allow a simple test that would prove or disprove to the scientific community that warp-travel is possible or not. What is he afraid of?

If it doesn't work ok... no biggie... but what if it does work?
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Posted: 7th Nov 2006 04:45
Quote: "remember they never specify a fuel source merely the spontainous generation of matter and anti-matter"

Yes they do!!! It's powered by dilithium crystals.

And not EVRYTHiNG on star trec was possible or actualy had much thought put into it. Small things they sometimes made up on spot, or used a term that might have been possible but turns out not to work the same way it did in the show in real life... But star trec does have a massive impact on todays world... but then again, so did Arthor C. Clark, who makes much better scifi in my opinion...


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Posted: 7th Nov 2006 05:10
Quote: "And not EVRYTHiNG on star trec was possible or actualy had much thought put into it."


Some things were just quick ways to avoid spending extra money on the show. Like the transporter... it was only thought up because they didn't want to spend money on constantly showing a shuttle leaving the ship and going down to the planet.

But even things like transporters although only fiction when the name was first thought of. Right now we've only been able to "transport" single particles using quantum entanglement... only useful for making quantum computers possible (right now).

Here's an article about teleportation:
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn2419

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Posted: 7th Nov 2006 23:46
Truly how bad was SST2? Don't sugar coat it. if it was absolutely a P.O.S., please tell me. if you answer is too abrasive for the forums, you can email me.

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Posted: 8th Nov 2006 06:40
Quote: "was it really that bad? would it be worth it if I could find it for $5?"


that is $4.99 to much and I am being generous. Seriously 2 was bad bad bad. I am suprised there was not a class action lawsuit to regain the time people sacrificed from their lives to watch this movie. Did you like the first Dungeons and Dragons movie, cuz it was about 10,000 times better than SST2.

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Quote: "that is $4.99 to much and I am being generous. Seriously 2 was bad bad bad. I am suprised there was not a class action lawsuit to regain the time people sacrificed from their lives to watch this movie. Did you like the first Dungeons and Dragons movie, cuz it was about 10,000 times better than SST2."

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Posted: 8th Nov 2006 09:07
I remember reading about when they brought out the complete blueprint to the Enterprise. Someone wrote to the writers asking if it would actually work if they built it. Think they responded with they would be staggeringly rich rather than very rich if it actually did work.

Anyone watched Trekkies (or the sequel) by the way? Amazingly funny stuff...

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Posted: 8th Nov 2006 09:47
I liked Starship Troopers, very low-budget (or looked like it) but was a good film. This said I seriously prefer the CG Series ^_^ had waaay more story and wasn't to shabby for saying it was made in trueSpace

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Posted: 8th Nov 2006 12:02 Edited at: 8th Nov 2006 12:03
Quote: "Anyone watched Trekkies (or the sequel) by the way? Amazingly funny stuff..."


Yeah... they should of cut out that cross dresser that's into filking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filk

And that kid they followed around Gabriel Charles Köerner... he was so... I really can't say it here since there are children present... at least he wasn't as bad in Trekkies 2. He did make the Viper Mark II on Battlestar Galactica though.

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Posted: 8th Nov 2006 13:06
There's been further advancement on teleportation. They've gone beyond teleporting photons.

But back onto the original topic, the movie still sucked.

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Posted: 8th Nov 2006 13:09
I haven't seen the movie, but i'm reading the book right now.

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Posted: 8th Nov 2006 23:18
Quote: "But back onto the original topic, the movie still sucked."


Yeah it doesn't look like there's going to be a huge debate on the importance of Star Trek fiction helping scientists realize new technology.

I still say Starship Troopers is a comedy. If they just keep away from that planet the bugs won't kill them.
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Posted: 9th Nov 2006 00:29
Quote: "If they just keep away from that planet the bugs won't kill them"


what about the meteors they launch at earth?

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Posted: 9th Nov 2006 05:23 Edited at: 9th Nov 2006 05:23
Quote: "Yeah it doesn't look like there's going to be a huge debate on the importance of Star Trek fiction helping scientists realize new technology."

dilithium crystals will help scientist realise the potential of making up random excuses to explain gaps in their hypothesis's.


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Posted: 9th Nov 2006 07:08
Quote: "what about the meteors they launch at earth?"


It's like raking all the leaves from your yard... if another leaf falls is it because the tree is attacking the yard? The bug planet has asteroids around it... if they just happen to be hit from the bugs plasma it's not because they did it on purpose.


Quote: "dilithium crystals will help scientist realise the potential of making up random excuses to explain gaps in their hypothesis's."


They have enough excuses without using dilithium crystals.
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Posted: 9th Nov 2006 10:52 Edited at: 9th Nov 2006 10:54
Quote: "And not EVRYTHiNG on star trec was possible or actualy had much thought put into it. Small things they sometimes made up on spot, or used a term that might have been possible but turns out not to work the same way it did in the show in real life... But star trec does have a massive impact on todays world... but then again, so did Arthor C. Clark, who makes much better scifi in my opinion..."


I'd say H G Wells had a massive impact, as did dickens and other great works of fiction. Star Trek is a useful tool for stimulating the imagination, the world comes across as not over the top. No single character, including data, demonstrated amazing physical abilities often, mostly it was amazing mental abilities, compasion and disaplin. All worthy traits to emulate. Mostly what saved the say was experise in their field just as it would in real life. But the scientific mumbo jumbo as almost no basis in reality when it comes to the big stuff. Little stuff like PDA's, touch screen consoles, and communicators, yes no problem here. But no one is going to invent anything by listening to how they think the big stuff works. It will take work, mathematic's and a hell of alot of luck.

Quote: "Some things were just quick ways to avoid spending extra money on the show. Like the transporter... it was only thought up because they didn't want to spend money on constantly showing a shuttle leaving the ship and going down to the planet.

But even things like transporters although only fiction when the name was first thought of. Right now we've only been able to "transport" single particles using quantum entanglement... only useful for making quantum computers possible (right now).

Here's an article about teleportation:
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn2419

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I've read that before. In reality, what happens is that the particle is undetectable between the two points, what we should explore is what happens between those two points. It's even possible that something is accellerating it to a faster-than-light speed, thus making it undetectable. But such a thing is also being a transporter. Still there's the whole "Converting the human body into bits, and constructing them again at the other end" thing, I dunno about you, but I'd rather just take a shuttle craft! But yes you are right, transporters provided an eligent way of avoiding costs in the series, this to a certain extent is why Enterprise never truely gave up the technology, introducing it from the get go.

Quote: "I remember reading about when they brought out the complete blueprint to the Enterprise. Someone wrote to the writers asking if it would actually work if they built it. Think they responded with they would be staggeringly rich rather than very rich if it actually did work. "


lol.

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Posted: 9th Nov 2006 12:23
Quote: "But such a thing is also being a transporter. Still there's the whole "Converting the human body into bits, and constructing them again at the other end" thing, I dunno about you, but I'd rather just take a shuttle craft!"


As long as the Heisenberg Compensator is working right I'd transport.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heisenberg_compensator
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Posted: 9th Nov 2006 12:58
lol, if they map every single peice of matter within your body, convert all that matter into energy, send alone your blueprints, and reassemble you at the other end. Are they merely going to rebuild you with that evergy, or move every single bit of energy into exactly the same spot it was before? Because if they use energy that originally made up your foot, to make your brain, and your brain energy to make up the stomach, and your stomach... etc, are you in fact the same person you where when you left, or has that uniqe person been destoryed, and a mere copy allowed to walk and talk in your place?

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Posted: 9th Nov 2006 13:32
I always found all the military aspects of Starship Troopers weird. They're in the far technological future, yet they still send simple infantry men with rifles down on the ground to fire at a staggering amount of bugs?

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Posted: 9th Nov 2006 15:41
makes good cinema. A film about ships blasting bugs from space is less entertaining.

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Posted: 9th Nov 2006 21:48
Well... it depends on how the actual technology works. If it destroys the original and makes a copy then no... I don't want to transport.
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Posted: 9th Nov 2006 22:03
What if if mearly made an exact copy on the other end? Then there'd be TWO of you! Ha Ha Ha!! Cloning without the clones!!!!


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Posted: 9th Nov 2006 22:50
actuall no, just a copy the others pretty much destoried. And given the episode with the two commander Rikers, it definately doesn't look like the original energy is nessassily used at all

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Posted: 9th Nov 2006 22:54
I thought what happened in star trec was they were disassembled, beamed up at speed only particles can go, and then re-assembled on board the ship. What I find strange is, if they can beam them up from anywhere to somewhere else, then why do they need the funky teleportation rooms at all?


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Posted: 10th Nov 2006 00:17
Quote: "then why do they need the funky teleportation rooms at all?"

They don´t need them to receive people but it´s much more polite to enter someone´s house from the front door and not jumping over the garden fence.
Quote: "yet they still send simple infantry men with rifles down on the ground to fire at a staggering amount of bugs?"

That´s what I thought. What´s wrong with just sending a few h bombs to whichever planet the bugs are on?

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Posted: 10th Nov 2006 04:22
Quote: "What I find strange is, if they can beam them up from anywhere to somewhere else, then why do they need the funky teleportation rooms at all?"


It's probably more risky to beam from site to site rather than the transporter room to wherever.
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Posted: 10th Nov 2006 13:39
Quote: "That´s what I thought. What´s wrong with just sending a few h bombs to whichever planet the bugs are on?"


Not enough blood. There's no feeling about seeing CGI bugs get zapped, having brave men running into the fray however, being blown apart, commiting heroic acts makes for a more entertaining film. This is hollywood after all.

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Quote: "Not enough blood"


blood isn't required as long as they have an EXTREME closeup the explosions and you can see the bugs burning and dieing.

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Posted: 11th Nov 2006 11:42
In the book the infantrymen have these awesome powered suits with these flamethrowers that kick butt and a missile launcher and a twin bomb throwers and jets. Don't know about the movie though.

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