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Matt Rock
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Posted: 31st Dec 2006 02:24
I said this same message on Myspace, so if you're on my list, ignore this thread or don't if you prefer, I dunno, I'm just pointing that out for the two people here who are on my myspace.

My friend Amber has presented me with a very unique task: present a list of the best songs that have a chance to save her young, 13 year old cousin Chelsea from utter musical ruin. Chelsea just bought a guitar and wants to learn how to play it, but her influences are HORRID and I'd hate to see this young British guitarist fall into the hands of bad taste. So I need to compile a list of cool songs, then Amber will burn them and give them off to Chelsea. At first I wasn't going to do it, but then Amber told me she's a Manchester United fan, so naturally, I now need to help! What songs should be on the list? Please keep in mind that they have to be at least somewhat catchy, else she probably won't listen to them. So far I've got (grouped by artists of course):

[Radiohead]
Paranoid Android
Exit Music [for a film]
Street Spirit
I want none of this
Palo Alto
Pearly

[Blur]
Coffee & TV
Resigned
Clover over Dover
Music is my Radar
The Universal
Trimm Trab
Parklife (the spoken word, of COURSE it's on here)

[Elvis Costello]
I don't want to (go to Chelsea) [COME ON, had to, her name is friggin' Chelsea!]
Accidents will Happen
Lipstick Vogue
Hand in Hand
Radio Radio

[Flaming Lips]
Yoshimi ... Pink Robots
The Gash

[Doves]
Snowden
Firesuite

... and that's as far as I've gotten. Any suggestions?


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Posted: 31st Dec 2006 02:42
Pink Floyd!

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Posted: 31st Dec 2006 02:46
Nirvana is very easy to learn, I would recommend showing her Nirvana.

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Posted: 31st Dec 2006 02:46 Edited at: 31st Dec 2006 02:47
But what by Pink Floyd? It's hard because I need catchy songs, else she'll probably lose interest pretty fast. I know that she *refuses* to listen to metal or rap, which narrows the list to a degree, but anyway, I don't know Pink Floyd well enough to rightfully suggest songs from their catalog.

Edit:

Duely noted... Nirvana. I could find quite a few songs from them that she'd probably be into.


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Posted: 31st Dec 2006 02:55
I find Sweet Home Alabama and More then a feeling are pretty catchy.
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Smoke on the Water by Deep Purple

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Hmm, maybe not pink floyd, it's not "catchy", really.

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Or possibly *shock* Blue October *shock*! They are decent, good and pop culture=P What is she listening to now?

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Posted: 31st Dec 2006 03:57
Quote: "What is she listening to now?"

yeah, I'm curious. Could it possibly be... polka?

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Posted: 31st Dec 2006 04:40
rape me by nirvana is fairly easy... maybe just keep it at the melody tho, no lyrics are needed

teach her some fairly easy hendrix licks

Creep by radiohead is good and fairly easy to learn.

dont teach her stairway to heaven...

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Posted: 31st Dec 2006 06:03
From what I understand she's into crappy pop music, some cheesy british pop star, but I'm not sure who. And she's into pop-punk like Green Day. I could just teach her some power chords and be done with it

Creep would be an easy one, and it's one that I know, but I'm not sure if it could capture her attention long enough I was thinking about maybe going as far as trying to show her Fake Plastic Trees, that's somewhat simple and it might be "pop" enough for her to try.


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Quote: "From what I understand she's into crappy pop music"

Care to name anything?

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Posted: 31st Dec 2006 07:04 Edited at: 31st Dec 2006 07:04
"High" by James Blunt and "Put Your Records On" by Corinne Bailey Rae are some cool jazzy catchy pop tunes she might dig.


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Posted: 31st Dec 2006 07:24
Just show her a video of Jimi Hendrix playing the guitar, and tell her she won't be able to do that by learning how to play pop-punk.
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Posted: 31st Dec 2006 07:26
Carry on my Wayward Son - Kansas
Purple Haze - need I say
Roundabout - Yes
Only - Anthrax
Ziggy Stardust - Bowie/Ziggy
Outshined - Soundgarden
Over the Hills and Far Away - Zeppelin
Whole lotta Love - Zeppelin
Killing in the Name of - RATM
Jump in the Fire - Metallica
Hangar 18 - Megadeth
Modern Day Cowboy -Tesla
Detroit Rock City - Kiss


These have some kickin guitar parts and they are all pretty darn easy, the only mildly tricky one in Roundabout if you want to combine the guitar and keys into one riff. Others like Detroit Rock City and Whole Lotta Love can be played with about an hours instruction and a few hours practice.

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Posted: 31st Dec 2006 08:01
Quote: "Fake Plastic Trees"


You think that will get her attention over Creep? If anything she'll be snoring off during Fake Plastic Trees

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Posted: 31st Dec 2006 23:15
I dunno, I always thought of FPT to be the girliest tune in Radiohead's arsenal. Not that I'm saying it's a bad song, but for some reason, girls seem to love that song beyond any of their other songs, or at least most of my ex's do

She's into Ash, and from what I understand it's the oldest music she listens to. She also likes one of the Simpsons (Ashley or that other one), but I'm not sure which. I actually like some of Ash's stuff but it's hardly inspirational and it never "bends the rules" so to speak.

I was thinking of tossing in some old standards, like the Beatles and Led Zeppelin, but I don't know if it would capture her attention. I think that stuff should come later, after she learns some basic music appreciation... the hard part in all of this is keeping it simple so she can actually learn some of the stuff we're getting her to listen to... If she tried listening to "Whole lotta Love," I think she'd say "eww, that's old-people music." Ugh, modern teenagers . But yeah, I want to save that stuff for later... get her into good music first, then ween her into the classics


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Posted: 31st Dec 2006 23:25
Sorry Matt, from the first post I got the idea you were looking to get the girl into appreciating guitar as well as the music. From the list you presented it seemed alot more like music you like over anything that an aspiring guitarist would listen to. Those "old people songs" are where all the great guitar work happened, I mean I like Radiohead and all but their guitar licks are just not the sort of thing that's gonna get someone playing air guitar.

Newer stuff then, alot of the Kid Rock songs have some killer guitar parts, Avenged Sevenfold is pretty good as well.

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We had a similar situation, but it was rather convert somebody, Birri Gomes, a Portuguese dude who goes to Karate needed a lift to the competition with us...Weeelll, he's into hip hop and 'bling', we tried a bit of Black Sabbath with Paranoid, I even tried Master's Apprentices by Opeth and other things, but it didn't work, so don't try those.

I think you should try:

Bob Marley:
Whatever song has a guitar in it, you need a good beat flowing through you, jolly stuff is good to play as well as the rest.

Symphony X:
Diving Wings of Tragedy - If you want some good symphonics, as your friend is a guitar player, well they can shred and are quite symphonic, its good for getting a taste of a good tune and a good shred, this song provides both, as well as rocked up versions of classical orchestral pieces and quire singing.

Dream Theater:
In the Name of God


Stratovarius:
Anything from Dreamspace - Similar reason to Symphony X

Jimi Hendrix or Stevie Ray Vaughan:
Any song or any Hendrix song - Two extremely talented guitarists who died before their time, Jimi was the reason why I got a guitar in the first place a great start

Trivium/Metallica/Slayer:

Well I suppose mainstream music is something everybody has to listen to

Opeth:
Good death metal, good melodic stuff and something, the two mix together, effing good band, one of my favourites, known as progressive death metal, its not all death metal but they're my biggest influence as far as playing something melodic or playing rhythm guitar.

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If you want relatively easy stuff that's got a fun rhythm to play, look at early to mid 90's alternative.

offspring
greenday
collective soul
counting crows
Toadies

Or even Bush and Silverchair would be decent learning materials.

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how could you forget

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Ooh ooh--- get her to listen to the original Guess Who version of American Woman. There's some awesome guitar in there, and Burton Cummings has such an awesome, powerful voice

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I'd suggest she go for the jugular and try something like Malmsteen's "Black Star". It will put her off playing guitar for good - it worked for me!

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Well Oasis - Importance of Being Idle is nice and easy. Then theres the Kooks, pretty easy there. Whistle for the Choir by The Fratellis is also rather simple and teaches both bar/re chords on the e and A string...

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"I'm a beliver" by the Monkeys - only it has to be the version from Shrek 2. It's mind numbingly easy (three/four chords or so?) but fun to sing along with as a very beginner song. Don't listen to the original; just the Shrek 2 version - it was far cooler because it's been in Shrek and had a singing Fairy Godmother in it.

The rest off all these suggestions are no doubt very inspiring, but I wouldn't touch them with a bargepole, and I'm a female, beginner guitarist with (probably) no taste.

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Posted: 1st Jan 2007 22:02 Edited at: 5th May 2011 02:20
Quote: "but her influences are HORRID"


erm, so what are they ?

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red hot chili peppers

the guitar work on blood sugar sex magik (the whole album) is very very nice its funky and rocks at the same time and isn't so hard to play either.

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ok, how about a different approach;

you and your friend keep your nose's out of this poor girl's business. Are you both so arrogant that you assume that by playing her some tunes you like, she'll instantly say;
"god! i wasted all my life listening to steps! and for what? to find my whole image of the world has been smashed into a thousand pieces by the glorious guitar playing held within this mighty disk of joy that displays a gamut of human experience i had never even dared to hope existed!"

Its not going to happen. You're much better of letting her learn to play her own songs and let her taste in music develop on its own. I'd suggest to your friend that you make her a CD to have on in her room, so that Chelsea overhears the awesome life-defining guitar work and then enquires about it. She's 13, forcing a load of old music on her will only make her push it away, and then drop the guitar as soon as she realises that people will use it as a gateway to harrass her with advice about growing up.

She's become interested in making music on her own, who are you to say that she won't manage to start listening to good music all by herself?


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Interesting point Manic.

Matt just get her to play Guitar Hero. I have not played it but looking at the lists of songs from 1 and 2 (oddly many of the ones I mentioned are in there) looks like a good solid mix of tunes.

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I refuse to stand by idly while she tries to figure out Ashley Simpson songs on a brand new $600 guitar. She's never been exposed to good music, and therein is the problem. I don't want to see her waste all of this money on a guitar, dabble with it, and then give it up when she realizes a few years down the road that the music she likes (likes, not loves) is total crap. No way, she needs exposure to good music

And so far, it's working. She's a particular fan of Coffee & TV and she's picking it up remarkably fast. She didn't like Radiohead as much as Blur (what a shame!) but Oddmind and Jeku were 100% right: She loved Creep, hated Fake Plastic Trees, and now she wants me to teach her that, too. So apparently it's been working. This thursday we'll try Elvis Costello and try to break her out of Green Day and into the Misfits... teach her the roots Then we'll head into Zeppelin and Floyd, and keep working our way back until she's a proper Chuck Berry fan. The operation is working flawlessly . But with all the Blur she's been ingesting, she's been talking about wanting effects pedals, and I'm not sure she's ready to make that leap yet. I don't want her to end up like me... a mediocre guitarist whose only talent lies in her ability to use pedals to make the guitar sound weird.


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Quote: "She's never been exposed to good music, and therein is the problem."

In that case I find it quite doubtful she'll have ever have a 'good' taste in music.

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Well so far we've gotten her to listen to music she possibly never would have gotten her hands on, so to a certain degree it's been a success. I think it's only a matter of time before she abandons the cheesy pop music in favor of proper music. I don't care if she loves the same bands I love, I just want her to listen to music that actually took a degree of talent to write/ perform


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Quote: "I think it's only a matter of time before she abandons the cheesy pop music in favor of proper music."


Well, I hate to play the devil's advocate (wait--- no I don't, I love it ). Who are you to tell someone their taste in music stinks? I mean come on. My grandparents would vomit if they were forced to listen to Beck, Radiohead, etc., and would rather listen to Hank Williams Sr. and the Statler Brothers. My little cousin would rather listen to Justin Timberlake than the Beatles, and I *KNOW* she has access and has listened to your so-called "talent music" because her father is into this "talent music". Obviously there's an audience for this cheezy pop music.

Hell, my wife like the Asian pop music that all sounds the same to me, and I have led many a road trip with my music that she was forced to listen to, and she has yet to "convert". Some people are just wired for different types of music. I mean, millions of opera fans can't be wrong, can they??

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Quote: "I mean, millions of opera fans can't be wrong, can they??"


well if it's Klingon Opera

The cookie cutter pop listeners usually grow out of that phase and search for something more later on in life, but at the time it is the best thing in the world. I mean who thinks New Kids on the Block could sell an albumn now? However not all pop music is in that vein and some sticks around, MJ would still be a good seller was he not such a creep.

Everyones taste is just different as Jeku stated. Personally from the songs you listed I would not waste a CD spot on any of those songs save perhaps an Elvis Costello. Certainly not on Blur or Flaming Lips, both trigger my gag reflex. At least, I hope, she does not like Panic at the Disco.

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Quote: "I just want her to listen to music that actually took a degree of talent to write/ perform"

Ah right, try to get her listening to classical/jazz then.

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I don't think I'm evil or anything for playing a role in altering her musical perception though. I mean, she isn't complaining about it and every day she's getting more and more into it.

Quote: "Ah right, try to get her listening to classical/jazz then."

If I tried sitting her down and getting her to listen to Mozart or Coltrane she'd make obnoxious gagging noises. She's a typical teenager, and typical teenagers don't listen to that stuff. Some do, but they're anything but typical. And it's not like Blur or Radiohead have producers write their songs for them... like the crap she listens to now, so-called "artists" who don't even know how to use a pen let alone write unique music. We did the intervention because we wanted to show her better music, skilled music by talented performers, and she hasn't complained one bit since we broke her into it


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I just imagined the absurd premise of an "intervention" where two adults who are in their mid 20s sit down with a teen and spoon-feed her these 90s "hits". It now strikes me as being unrealistic--- almost like a bad dream or a fantasy. Are you sure this is really happening? Are you making this up and having a laugh?

It just doesn't sound like something like that would actually happen is all.

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Get her to listen to "Anji" By Davey Graham (not the rolling stones song). That should be one everyone learns early on.

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Cotton Eyed Joe by the Rednex is really catchy...

but seriously:

The Ramones
1. My Brain is Hanging Upside Down
2. Pet Cemetery
3. Have You Ever Seen The Rain?
4. Hey Ho! Lets Go!
5. Rockaway Beach
6. Rock and Roll High School
7. Breakfast At Tiffanies

Led Zeppelin
1. Dazed and Confused
2. Rock and Roll
3. Stairway To Heaven

The Beatles
1. A Hard Day's Night
2. Elanor Rigby
3. Can't Buy Me Love
4. Let It Be

The BeeGees
1. How Deep Is Your Love?
2. If I Can't Have You
3. How Can You Mend a Broken Heart
4. Oh What a Night
5. Stay'n Alive
6. Alone

Dashboard Confessional
1. Vindicated

ACDC
1. Highway to Hell
2. It's A Long Way To The Top
3. Back in Black

Breaking Benjamin
1. So Cold
2. Break my Fall
3. Blow Me Away
4. Follow Me
5. Topless

Megadeath
1. Duke Nukem Theme

The Cult
1. Love Removal Machine

Pink Floyd
1. Careful With That Axe, Eugene

Radiohead
1. Creep

Iron Butterfly
1. In A Gadda Da Vida

I'll post more if I think of 'em

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Many many years ago i was into the pop/rap dirt, but ever since i heard some soundgarden, RATM and pearl jam, ive been converted to the finer elements if you will, of musical talent.


By queens of the stone age:
Burn the witch, In my head and Little sister are seriously catchy songs. (and coincidently they are in that play order in the album)

Motley Crue...smoking in the boys room, its kinda random bit ive had it lodged in my head for ages now.

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if this poor girl is forced to listen to all this, she wont have any time left to actually play the guitar.

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Just about anything by Boston as well as a few others:

Dust in the Wind - Kansas
Lots of Van Halen stuff, but that's kind of advanced

The Police:
-Message in a Bottle
-Synchronicity II

The Cure:
-I'll melt the world and stop with you
-Friday I'm in Love
-Killing and Arab

Yeah, more stuff, can't think of all of it right now.


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Blue Oyster Cult!

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NEEDS MORE COWBELL!!!!


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Does everyone forget about sultans of swing????

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OH NOES. How could I forget Dire Straits?


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