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Geek Culture / Request For Veteran DB Users Only

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TDK
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Posted: 5th Jan 2007 17:39
I'm not being anti-noob - it's just something that you won't be able to help if you've not been a DB user for a fairly long time.

I write a computer column for a newspaper and I've been asked if I'd do a beginners course in programming. I thought I'd do it with DB using the trial version and try and sell a few copies for TGC if anyone gets bitten by the programming 'bug'.

The problem is that it will run over a number of weeks and I'm not sure how long the current trial versions last before they time-out.

So, does anyone remember a few years ago, a version of DB was released which didn't time-out, but rather had a limit on the maximum number of lines you could enter?

If so, does anyone by any chance still have it? I'd like to use it for the programming course I'm doing if I could - and not have to worry about the trial dying on me.

Thanks...

TDK_Man

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Posted: 5th Jan 2007 17:47 Edited at: 5th Jan 2007 17:49
did you try e-mailing Rich/TGC?...

they could possibly have it, and i don't see why they wouldn't give it to you...
(not that posting here was a bad idea, there's also a chance someone here might have it)

[edit^2] and not that i consider myself a veteran... i remember playing your circus game when i was knee high to a grasshopper!

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Posted: 5th Jan 2007 17:48
Yes, I can remember using this version, and I'm sure I still have it somewhere on an old CD-RW


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Quote: "So, does anyone remember a few years ago, a version of DB was released which didn't time-out, but rather had a limit on the maximum number of lines you could enter?"


I had this version, I believe I got a disk with a magazine that had it. Think the limitation was number of objects/sprites etc was limited to 100. Have you thought about asking support about the "Free DBC for schools thing"?

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Posted: 5th Jan 2007 17:55 Edited at: 5th Jan 2007 17:58
Quote: "did you try e-mailing Rich/TGC?..."


Yes - they don't have it and understandably they don't have enough spare time to modify the source to make another version.

Quote: "Yes, I can remember using this version, and I'm sure I still have it somewhere on an old CD-RW"


Great news - I'm keeping my fingers crossed!

Hobgoblin Lord:

Not thought of that - I'll fire off another e-mail, but I'm fairly sure that the 'not being a school' aspect will be a problem.

Failing that, I'll have to see if I can find out how long the current trial versions last before they expire...

TDK_Man

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Posted: 5th Jan 2007 18:00 Edited at: 5th Jan 2007 18:01
Can't help you with the old version, but there is currently a version that lasts the length of the Nvidia compo (Feb 16th)

Quote: "Have you thought about asking support about the "Free DBC for schools thing"?"

That is the full version, so they'd esentially be giving it to the world for free.



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Posted: 5th Jan 2007 18:52 Edited at: 5th Jan 2007 18:54
Awww man, the trial is there, but hideously damaged - the CD-RW is scratched beyond repair, and I get a CRC error when trying to copy it

Looks like everything on the disk is dead. Damn it. So close yet so far away



EDIT: Why is it showing the proggy icon for everything? I mean, I know the apps are damaged, and so is the disc, but it's showing app icons for RAR's and TXT's


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Chris Franklin_
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Posted: 5th Jan 2007 20:17
tk a quick google for darkbasic 1.10 demo (as shown on the image there) found me this : Link

Is that it?

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Posted: 5th Jan 2007 21:18
I've a file here "dbv20meg.exe" which you can install as a trial and it says you can use "many times before it runs out" and limits some parts of the language

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Looks like someone had some wares and keys on that cdrw lol.
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Quote: "Looks like someone had some wares and keys on that cdrw lol."


Umm.. where? All of the files on the CD are either free or perfectly legal - there are no 'warez' on it at all


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Ah, sorry for the assumption then. I saw limewire, key.exe, and a couple of dvd.exe program's that weren't conventionally named . \

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Posted: 5th Jan 2007 22:24 Edited at: 5th Jan 2007 22:25
Two to the right and three down, there's a file labled "key.txt", I believe that's what Sid Sinister is referring to. I dunno about you Sid, but I keep my keys in a file so I don't have to go digging through closets looking for the box whenever I need to reinstall something


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Posted: 5th Jan 2007 22:29 Edited at: 5th Jan 2007 22:29
Quote: "but I keep my keys in a file so I don't have to go digging through closets looking for the box whenever I need to reinstall something "


Key.txt and the QBUK2006 thing go together. QBUK is QuickBooks, which you can buy as a download from the QuickBooks site - and my Father did just this. Since you don't get a CD, it's an intelligent idea to back it up to a disc (which I've done for my Dad right here, but I subsequently moved it to a portable HD). It's also intelligent to keep a file with the serial key in it, otherwise you're seriously screwed when it comes to reinstalling - hence key.txt

The product you're looking at is this:
http://quickbooks.intuit.com/product/accounting_software/simple_start_bookkeeping_software.jhtml
Notice the right hand side, where it says "Download" as a buy type> So no, it isn't 'warez'


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Ah, quickbook.


my MOM has that. Glad to see the warez issue is cleared up.

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Posted: 6th Jan 2007 01:42
I might have v106 somewhere and I will check around this arvo.

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Quote: "there is currently a version that lasts the length of the Nvidia compo"


My column is fortnightly and I can see something like this running quite a few issues. Besides that, for beginners, I think DBC would be nore suitable - even with limited line numbers and objects. It's certainly not going to get all that technical...

David R

Oh bugger!

Try this on your CD...

http://www.computechtenerife.com/cdchecksetup.exe

Chris Franklin_:

Just downloading it now and will check it out - thanks.

Kentaree:

Thanks for that, but I think I'm better off avoiding any trial version which will stop working at some point. The last thing I need is lots of complaints that what they've downloaded has stopped working.

Indi:

Sounds promising! I'm pretty sure that it was a trial version of DBC prior to V1.10 that was the 'limited lines' version rather than one which expired after a certain date or number of times being run.

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Posted: 6th Jan 2007 02:42
I sent you v108 full via email TDK, I hope im not breaking any rules by TGC for doing that.

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Thanks Indi - but the full version not the trial?

I doubt you are breaking any rules even if it is because I'm a registered owner of all the versions of DB - in fact I'm sure I still have all of the previous versions of DBC somewhere.

I'll check it out and if it is the full version I can just delete it.

If it's the trial version then there shouldn't be a problem because a) it was once freely distributed and b) is now obsolete...

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Posted: 6th Jan 2007 12:09
TDK What have you done to your avatar? I liked your old one!
Sorry I know it's off topic but I had to let it out!


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Hmmm. Am pretty positive I had every download until about 2004. Unfortuantly the directory is either on a hard drive that I took a mallet to that is probably in a skip back in the UK now (left a few computers behind when I moved), on a zip disk that I cannot now read (because I forgot the several zip disk readers I owned back in the old house, but not the disks themselves...), or on the computer in my office which seems dead as a doornail since I moved... Sigh. Once I sort out all my shipping boxes etc I may be able to find something. Heh, I also found a load of old mag CDs (back to about 1995) that may have an old demo on somewhere.

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Thanks Dazzag!

Darth Vader:

I liked the old one when only I was using it.

Now a couple of others use it, (which of course they are entirely entitled to), and it was confusing me when scanning quickly through threads checking for my own posts.

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Maybe you should take the other one and change it somehow.

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For David R im not sure if this will help but when my cds get scratched i rub toothpaste on them, lol, about 5 times and i got my exremely deeply scratched NFS UG2 to work again...twice, and other data cds.
Something in the toothpaste will fill the gap and the laser can read the data correctly, but if the scratch goes all the way down into the data then you're most likely stuffed.

The sad fact is that i can read script, but i just cant write it.
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Posted: 8th Jan 2007 11:59 Edited at: 8th Jan 2007 12:03
According to this site, the 1.06 Trial Version:

Quote: "disables the Media Menu, you are restricted to 10,000 lines of code the Context Sensitive Help is not available, you are not permitted to load 3DS model files, you are restricted to 100 3D objects, 100 2D objects, 100 sounds and your standalone executables include a Dark Basic Logo."


So that may be the one to look out for?


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Also, I had a thought...
Wasn't there an issue with WinXP and the earlier versions of DBC? The whole epileptic screen thingy - It required the 1.13 upgrade to make it go away, didn't it?
So that'd mean that the version you're looking for wouldn't be compatible with XP
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JessT, I think that problem was fixable by a strategically places CLS iirc, I remember having that problem and fixing it anyway, although I'm not entirely sure if I was running on XP at the time

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Jess T

That's exactly what I'm after. None of those restrictions would affect what I want to do.

Now, does anyone know where I can get my hands on it?

You are correct Kentaree - I had the same problem at the time. All you needed to do was put at the start of your program:

Sync On: Sync Rate 0: CLS 0

and everything worked fine.

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Try this: http://www.zdnet.nl/downloads.cfm?id=12357

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Kendor:

Lol - I'd just come back to post that I'd found a file on ZDNet with Google and had downloaded it only to find that you'd posted the same link.

Thanks anyway.

Not checked it out yet, so it might me something completely different when I try it.

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Posted: 8th Jan 2007 21:42
For some reason the link Kendor posted comes up as version 1.08 with the 60 day limit.
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For me, the linked page says DarkBASIC 1.06 and the text looks like Dutch. The download is marked as [trial] dbv.exe (2820 KB) but it's closer to 20MB and it's definitely the one I'd downloaded.

I've just installed it and Robot is correct - it is the 60 day V1.08 trial!

Back to square one again!

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Posted: 9th Jan 2007 14:24
As much as it may not seem like it, torrent sites may be good places to look for the trial.

If you're lucky, someone in the past has added the file as a torrent to one of the trackers, and there's still people seeding it

About the CLS issue - Good to know that it can be fixed!

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Posted: 9th Jan 2007 15:27
After I bought DBC I gave the disk to a friend of mine, I have not talked to him in awhile, but I can see if he still has it. I remember it came with some models (the bad samurai etc) and some demo code, I remember the help files being included also.

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Quote: "After I bought DBC I gave the disk to a friend of mine, I have not talked to him in awhile, but I can see if he still has it. I remember it came with some models (the bad samurai etc) and some demo code, I remember the help files being included also."


Unless I misunderstand your post, it sounds like you don't understand what I'm after.

I'm not after an old full version of DB - it's still being sold by TGC and making it available for others to download would be piracy, illegal and the cue for TGC to jump on me from a very great height...

No, what I'm after is on old version of the DB Trial which was freely distributed. The main difference between the trials you download now and those back then is that they now stop working after 60 days.

Back then, the trial versions worked forever, but you had a limited maximum number of lines you could have in your program - making it useless for anything other than quite small programs.

This limitation isn't a problem for a beginners programming course over a number of weeks, whereas the time limit is.

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Posted: 9th Jan 2007 20:47
SOrry TDK, I am refferreing to the demo disk I got, I did have a watermark that would appear and the limits of 100 3d or 2 dobjects but came with that other stuff IIRC.

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Ah OK - I see now.

Actually, I hadn't thought of digging out my original installation disk and checking to see if there was a trial/demo on it.

Will do that now... thanks!

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Posted: 10th Jan 2007 23:03 Edited at: 10th Jan 2007 23:04
Got it. It's 1.06 from November 2000. When it installs and you run it for the 1st time it tells you that you can use it for as long as you like, and buying the full version gets rid of the 10000 lines of code restriction.

I'll now look into releasing it to you....

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Actually the complete restrictions are:-

10000 lines of code
DB logo in corner
No 3DS model loading
No media browser
No context sensitive help
Restricted to 100 3D objects, 100 2D objects, and 100 sounds

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Ok. Try this.

http://www.dai-dare.com/DrkBASIC.zip

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Good work, Dazzag

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Great sleuthing Dazzag, thanks.

This is just the thing to introduce high school technology students to programming.

I think quite a few sales of the existing compilers can come from the use of this demo.

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A review of DarkBASIC Pro on Amazon.com
Quote: "81 of 85 people found the following review helpful:
Excellent!!!!, April 12, 2004
Reviewer: J. Leigh "jleigh7" (chicago)

I am a professor of Computer Science at the University of Illinois at Chicago and I use this for my Game Programming class.
In my 15 years of being in the computer graphics field I have never seen a software package integrate all this high-end graphics capability, into a simple-to-use, yet real programming language that creates compiled code. Not only that, the compiled code can be bundled as an executeable that you can then distribute as a standalone running program. This is an excellent way for budding independent game programmers to get a start. Furthermore the online forum is EXCELLENT. I usually get an answer to my questions within half an hour! There are some real dedicated fans out there!

Things that my graduate students used to take a semester to write for research projects are now accessible with a simple command in this language. For example: Binary Space Partion Trees, Surround Sound, Forced Feed Joystick support, A multitude of camera manipulation capabilities, collision detection, model loading and animation, forward kinematics, toon shading, real time shadows, and the list goes on and on... I've even written code to enable stereoscopic rendering so that I can take the output of a dual-headed graphics card, feed it into 2 DLP projectors with polarizing filters. Now my students can write games in true stereoscopic 3D! I know I am not allowed to post web sites in a review, so if you want more info on how to do something like this do a google on geowall darkbasic.

The interesting thing about providing students with so much capability at their finger tips is that they tend to take it all for granted. My students were complaining that the system had this bug or that bug. The hot-shot students wanted to do the class project in C++ and OpenGL instead. So as an experiment, a few of them took an undergrad research class with me the following semester to try and rewrite the game that they had written in DarkBASIC Pro, in C++ and DirectX. A month later I asked them, "next year, when I teach the class again, should I use DarkBASIC or should I use DirectX and C++?" They all said DarkBASIC was the way to go. New students would be too bogged down on the tiny details to be able to understand the whole game development process in a semester. DarkBASIC Pro frees you to think about developing the graphics, the game play, the sound effects- not waste all your time hunting down pointer errors.

Also a great low cost modeling package to go with this is Milkshape. The DarkBASICPro website recommends 3D Canvas. All my students hated 3D Canvas. It was crashing all the time, had an unintuitive interface and created a kzillion windows registry entries making it impossible to use for multiple login IDs on a single Windows box. There were also frequent version changes where 3D models were no longer compatible. Very annoying."


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FYI, I recommended that 'Free To Schools Program' to a colleague a couple of months ago, only to find out that it has been discontinued.

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Yes, thanks Dazzag! Panic over...

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Posted: 12th Jan 2007 14:23 Edited at: 12th Jan 2007 14:32
Dazzag,

mind if i use it for technology class to let people meet Dark Basic?(not my class,but school's class)

Archive corrupted...

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Quote: "Archive corrupted..."


Prince Of Darkness:

I unzipped the archive without any problems. Or do you mean the exe inside the zip is corrupted?

I've not installed it yet as the machine I'm using already has DB on it and I don't want to mess anything up.

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Nice daz

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Quote: "mind if i use it for technology class to let people meet Dark Basic?"
Not at all. Is just a file from years ago that I kept. TGC's property really.

Quote: "Archive corrupted..."
Really? Works for me. Can someone else check it out and confirm if there are problems?

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Uncompresses fine with winrar (v3.50.7)

md5 checksum:
c6842e17e0156462d2d3b4234fb07afe *DrkBASIC.zip


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Unzips here fine using Winrar.


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hmm...

it tells me with Winzip,Winrar and default Windows unzipper its damaged.and re-downloading gives the same result.

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