Quote: "@Krillik: I wasn't really talking about the 100% compatibility. I'm just wondering how they can justify downgrading the console (you can't say that going from hardware to software emulation, and limiting the amount of games played on it, isn't downgrading), keeping the price the same, which was a lot more than the US's and Japan's prices anyway. Also, this has been done SINCE the official announcement of the console, so people have pre-booked their consoles, and in a lot of cases if they decided not to go for it they wouldn't get their deposits back."
I understand that, but my point in response to that, is the people complaining about it
here aren't upset because they just got jipped out of their preorders. The people
here are ragging on Sony because they "lied" again.
As for downgrading, I think I've read articles about Sony wanting to switch to software emulation long before its launch, or at least I was aware of it in some way. And the only reason why they didn't was because the software emulation wasn't ready (good enough) before the US launch. Which also means that Sony will most likely start mass producing the new console versions worldwide to reduce its cost.
The reason why the cost reduction wasn't passed on to the consumer is because Sony cannot afford to. When you're a company your in business to make money, lowering the price of the PS3 will just set them back further right now. Its not like they're making pretty pennies off EU by selling a PS3. They're still losing money. There are a lot worse and greedy things a company can be doing. Microsoft was smart about it, they were able to reduce costs without passing on a price reduction to the consumer, and start making money off of their consoles. And they can keep it that way until Sony drops the price of the PS3, which is a long time making profit.
Quote: "I just want both yours and Matt Rock's honest opinions on this, this (post) is not Sony bashing, but stating the facts. If Microsoft or Nintendo did it, it would be just as bad in my opinion, but I want yours."
If Microsoft or Nintendo did it, I would be saying the same thing. The problem is I don't think there would be as much comotion about it. If Microsoft or Nintendo did it, I wouldn't really have to say anything to anyone. I've basically explained what I think about the EU release above.
Quote: "By saying that we can only complain about lies if we planned to buy a PS3 or already have. Hence you implied that these lies are OK as long as you don't plan on buying the product"
If coherence was of any importance to you like your other post suggested, you would have noticed it was in response to Kentaree.
Let me break down what happened.
People complained about Sony lying.
Kentaree brought up a valid point, that EU consumers were getting "ripped" off.
His post implied that people were upset about this, I told him that I don't think the people I was talking to were. And his point has no correlation to their arguments. I say they cared about Sony "lying", he says people are upset about the EU PS3 release, I say I don't think people are upset about the release, and now I'm trying to figure what people are upset about. Yes Sony lied, I get it, being upset because they lied is absurd, PEOPLE LIE EVERYDAY. Why does Sony "lying" make people upset? I know its not because the affects, as its blatant that most people here haven't even bothered to mention them. So what is so significant about Sony lying that makes people upset? There haven't been any convincing opinions about it yet.
If you want to aruge about whether or not is "OK" to "lie", I will. Because I can tell the difference between lying and marketing.
Quote: "That is the most non-sensical sentence I have ever read. "Most everyone" ? What kind of phrase is that?"
Nothing to do with what you were talking about, that's okay it happens to people who have nothing useful to say. The words "most everyone" mean, a large number of every person, specifically in this thead.
Quote: "Sorry, but that's complete crap. A lie is a lie. It doesn't whether you know the truth or not, it is still lying, possibly blatant lying."
Yeah I'm sorry the defintion of the word lie doesn't mean anything to you.
Yeah a lie is a lie, but a lie implies INTENT to tell a false statement.
Its ridiculous for you to say unknowingly "You are wearing a blue shirt", call it a lie, and then me say "I'm wearing a blue shirt", and call it a lie also. There is a difference between the two statements, and its not hard to recognize it. There is a blatant lie, and then there is a statement that you couldn't possibly know. In order to lie you NEED to know the truth. There is no way for you to lie about the color of my shirt, because I COULD be wearing a blue shirt. Logically if you say I am wearing a blue shirt and then say that is a "deliberate" lie and it turns out I am wearing a blue shirt you proved yourself false, and lies are dependant on the knowledge of what you're trying to lie about.
Quote: "But stating a rough estimation as a fact is lying, hence what I said."
Except its NOT a matter of fact. I've already proved this. Stating something as a matter of fact without the ability to know it isn't lying its being irrational. I've already provided examples of how Sony couldn't have possibly known it, and anyone who "believed" it I said was naive. And I still think that stands, regardless of how Sony said it, believing they state it as a matter of fact is a mistake on your part.
Quote: "They then started producing PS3s for the European launch. These do not have the PS2 chip inside, and therefore there are thousands of games that don't work on it. There are, in fact, only "a limited amount of PS2 titles" that work (quote from Sony's press release)."
This is just wrong. There is no official number yet. Claiming
thousands in bold is a lame attempt at validating your next "point".
Quote: "It is, in effect, not backwards compatible. It's backwards compatibility is just as poor as the 360's, ie. it is not backwards compatible at all, it just runs an emulator. Calling this BC is just like saying a PC is BC with a Gameboy because you can download and emulator for it."
This is a complete play on words. The words "backwards compatible" imply a generation of a product able to serve the same function of the previous product before it. PCs are NOT backwards compatible because they aren't designed to emulate the same functions as older game machines, they just have the ability to.
