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Dazzag
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I'm not even sure if it's legal in the UK now to even sell alcohol in petrol stations. I think the logic goes that you will only drink and drive if you could. Although you can easily go in the off licence next door... Probably better to ban tobacco though (not that they do ban it in the UK). Get outside, light a fag, and woof! Yep, you kill a dog...

Although that no using mobile phones on the forecourt is a bit much. Apparently one time there was an explosion at a petrol station because someone was filling up while talking on the phone. Causes sparks or something. Think Mythbusters or something similar totally disproved it. Much more likely if you wear a jumper and rub it a lot while filling up. And here in Cyprus you see attendants smoking while filling your car up. Nice...

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Posted: 8th Aug 2007 17:17 Edited at: 8th Aug 2007 17:19
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Bollocks to it. Edited.


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That's rather a funky edit....

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Posted: 8th Aug 2007 18:48
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Did I miss something?


Since the other one was scaring you guys so much...
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Yeah... What?

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Bizar's edit :p

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Posted: 8th Aug 2007 20:31 Edited at: 8th Aug 2007 22:42
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Hi Dazzag,

87% is the Governments figure. They call us dandruff around here . Although with the arrival of the Poles, at least there are more 'whites' (Is it just me or are Polish girls yummy?)

As for games, We have Tesco or Central London .

I used to run a small computer shop 20 years ago (think speccies, CBM, MSX (yuck)) and we did not really have these problems. Only when the PC arrived with 'Leisure Suit Larry' did we even have to worry about that. I suspect that is why buying a 'computer' off the shelf that you can program - and then duplicate your 'code' and sell it sort of died.

Ahhhh better times - NOT

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That C++ Nerd
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Posted: 8th Aug 2007 23:09
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Could you please stay on topic.

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Posted: 8th Aug 2007 23:56
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We are on topic: Store workers and Age Ratings.

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Quote: "Although with the arrival of the Poles, at least there are more 'whites' "

Well, in Poland almost everyone is "white" so...

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Posted: 9th Aug 2007 01:39 Edited at: 9th Aug 2007 06:50
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Some store employees won't sell products that they have a problem with personally to anyone. There was a case a while ago of a chemist not selling some birth-control product because he was against that sort of thing. Maybe the woman in the store didn't have a problem with you or your ID; maybe she just doesn't like M-rated games and won't sell them to anyone that she can get way with not selling them to.

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where I live in some game stores (we don't have so many in my town) they have a sign that says like: "WE ONLY SELL GAMES TO PERSONS WITH THE APPROPRIATE AGE" but a 8 year old can just walk in and buy a gta game and nobody cares. But as I live in Europe I don't know if our policy is diffrent as we even have another rating system,3+,7+,12+ and +18 (no Adults Only).

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LOL @ Jimmy

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It's like our youth-discotheque: you see signs on all walls : "No alcohol under 16", but I see some pupils (14 yo) who have beers in their hands.
Police doesn't even care.

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Posted: 11th Aug 2007 14:28 Edited at: 11th Aug 2007 14:38
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that terrible
In sweden where I live you have to be 18 or else!
I think that goes for cigarretes too...

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Well, I suppose in some places it's more about the money than about integrity.

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man i hate that. I remember a few years back when i was 15 or so I was trying to buy Hidden and Dangerous 2 and the staff at the gamestop wouldnt let me. I go outside 'yo dad come in and buy this for me' cos he was shopping for something else and he knows video games dont make people shoot each other. The staff looked so freaking mad, like we were spitting on the bible or something. the woman at the counter said (really sarcastically) to my dad 'well ok YOU'RE allowed to play this'. I just couldn't stop smiling at them.
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So I just found out yesterday that 5 of my works sister gas stations got busted for selling alcohol and tobacco to under aged people. The worst was some guy sold a pack of cigs to a 16 yr old girl (she worked with the department of alcohol and tobacco) and the guy got 48 hours of community service, $15,000 fine, and 6 months probation. The store got hit with a 30k fine....eh. Just for a pack of cigs.

So now are company policy is, no ID no sale. We card everyone now, no matter how old and wrinkled they look. I've already had a lot of people swear at me and call me unsettling names...fun times.


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These two old hags haven't a clue what they're doing. They've probably lost the company 100's of dollars, and the company can't even FIND their own managers!!!
screw them!
Yep, buy it online

In Australia there isn't even an M rating! So all games like GTA have to be edited so they comply with the 15+ rating!!! and you know what the only thing they took out was? The prostitutes!
Why is everyone so stupid

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In America there's a rating called 'Adults only'(Mature is 18+????), which basically means it's so horrible that shops won't even sell it. It'd be like selling a machine gun to a one year old.

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Quote: "But hey we live in a time of double standards and political correctness.
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Hear Hear!! A beer for seppuku!

Quote: "In America there's a rating called 'Adults only'(Mature is 18+????), "


Yea but you know what, when is the last time you played a really good mature game that just wasn't about blood, gore, and senseless violence? I remember the last good mature game I played was about four or five years ago, a game called Eternal Darkness:Sanity's Requiem. Very well done, very morbid but at least the story was good and it deserved its M-rating, that children would be disturbed by it and not understand it. I remember in the game you had a sanity meter and if it got low bad stuff would happen to you like you'd see your limbs fall off or the walls would drip with blood and your character would freak out, the best is when the game goes to a blue screen and says we're sorry but an error occured and all of your memory has been formatted, press a key to continue. Beyond that though, what has happened to our good stories, I think games going mainstream is good and bad, even some casual games have a better story than hardcore franchises. Thats just my two p.

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Posted: 12th Aug 2007 14:19 Edited at: 12th Aug 2007 14:19
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I heard manhunt 2 was going for adults only and now sony and nintendo won't allow it to be sold for their consoles...
That must mean it ALOT of blood, gore and other adult content

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AO is mainly for sex. Of the (about) 15 games that have been given AO, only one was for gore.

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mm I wonder why theres no ao in sweden...(and europe)

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Stuff like this has happened to me before. I suggest just pulling out an Uzi and spraying up the store. That'll learn 'em!

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Quote: "a game called Eternal Darkness:Sanity's Requiem"


One of the best games I ever played on a gamecube.

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Quote: "That'll learn 'em"

Teach 'em. Teach 'em.

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Whoa thar, talk about a paranoid security system that employee follows. I went and spontaneously bought Far Cry when we were at EB Games at a mall not far from here, and Far Cry has a 16+ rating. I didn't really think of it until the guy behind the counter asked me if I were old enough to play the game. I hadn't brough any ID of sorts with me, so I desperately checked my wallet and realised that there was a 16 years minimum for the bank-card I had. He approved of it as identification, and I walked out a happy owner of Far Cry.

I mean, if you compare the two stories, there's quite a contrast. Awesome employee, awful employee.
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Quote: "In Australia there isn't even an M rating! So all games like GTA have to be edited so they comply with the 15+ rating!!! and you know what the only thing they took out was? The prostitutes!"


There is an M rating... there is no R rating. I think you'll also find that the games don't get heavily edited to comply with the MA15 rating at all (at least not as far as I know, if they have been can someone please point me to the relevant article)... They either get released as MA15 or banned outright... My Aussie copy of GTA has all the bells and whistles of the other countries versions, not edited at all

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AUSTRALIA FTW!!
Quote: "My Aussie copy of GTA has all the bells and whistles of the other countries versions, not edited at all "


Same, but its on PS2 so i cant mod it
i just drag mum down with me anyways so i dont need id


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I never really liked the GTA games that much. After GTA 3, it all went down hill. I'll always like the Driver series too, though. Driver (1996/1997) was the first "free-roam" game that was 3D and incorporated driving. The only thing about driver, is you couldn't get out of your car until Driver 2 (2000) and you couldn't shoot outside of custscences until Driv3r (2004). The new driver (parallel lines) has two versions, the original for PS2 and Xbox and the NextGen version for 360.

The date that Driver and GTA came out has always been a dispute as to who did it first. I don't remember GTA releasing until 1998 or so. Then again, Driver was 3D.

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Driver
GTA

10 seconds research reveals that GTA was released first.

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yeah but i can get any game i want, im under 18 but im not gonna go and do that though, im not that stupid to do that

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Was any 3D GTA out at the same time as Driver? (Not top down, I mean) I don't think so!


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Quote: "Was any 3D GTA out at the same time as Driver? (Not top down, I mean) I don't think so!"

GTA was 3d:S the buildings and things and Driver was inspired by GTA so if GTA wasn't out Driver would of not came out.

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No it wasn't! Sure, the buildings were 3D, but that was it! Driver had the camera down at ground level with the best physics in the generation. It was excellent. Sure, it couldn't hold up to the quality, depth or scale of GTA, but the car physics made it much more enjoyable in many cases than the clunky controls experienced in GTA. Not to mention you could see where you were going.


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Quote: "It was excellent. Sure, it couldn't hold up to the quality, depth or scale of GTA, but the car physics made it much more enjoyable in many cases than the clunky controls experienced in GTA. "


The original Driver was indeed an awesome game. But I wouldn't try to compare it with GTA 3. Driver was ALL about the driving, which is why its driving was infinitely better than the driving available in GTA 3. I personally think the driver games have become worse as they have gone on.

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I agree with Thraxas Driver 3 was let down. Or Driv3r. But I loved making films on it though

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I agree with NeX all the way!

And Reflections started making Driver 1 in 1995.

Here's my take on every one of the games.

Driver: Awesome! Great storyline.
Driver 2: Even better storyline, a little bit more difficult. More cool controls and features.
Driver 3: Good but needs to return to it's more "original" feel.
Driver 4: This is incredible! The cars are simply amazing. But the swimming feature was removed for no reason.

Milestones GTA vs. Driver series (Not in order)

1. Driver was the first in 3D.
2. Driver was the first to have multi-stringed storyline.
3. Driver was first to include a full law system such as running red lights and speeding.

4. Driver was first to be able to interact with full wired train systems.

5. Driver added swimming way before GTA.

6. Driver was first to take advantage of lighting effects in DirectX 9.0c

7. Driver was first to include the "life" physics system.

8. Driver was the first to have real-time police response.

9. Driver was the first to offer the ability to free-roam in 3D.

10. Driver was first to to take advantage of pixel shaders version 3.0.

11. Driver is always based in real-life geographical locations.

12. Driver was first to release a game on every mainstream platform in most countries.

13. Driver was first to include car rust, and vehicle deterioration over time.

14. Driver was first to have a replay function.

15. Driver was first to release a game on a NextGen console. (In Japan only)

16. Driver was the first to be able to shoot through car windows.

17. Driver was the first to have death by car accident.


Milestones of GTA

1. GTA was first to be able to shoot in real-time.

2. GTA was first to offer free-roam in a 2D environment.

3. GTA was first to offer car customization.

4. GTA was first to offer radio staions.

5. GTA was first to get banned.

6. GTA was first to include blood.

And please don't say this isn't acurate. I own every single Driver AND GTA game, and have kept track of this for a long time. I'm not a huge Driver enthusiast nor GTA. I just think GTA screwed over the Driver series big time.

In America, nobody even knew what GTA was until they came out with GTA 3, and which, all the little 12 year olds thought it was the coolest thing.

Driver on the other hand seems to appeal only to people like me, people who were actually there when it came out.

WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT DRIVER WAS A VERY ORIGINAL AND GREAT SERIES UNTIL GTA CAME ALONG.

And yes, I remember the press release in 1995 about Driver 1.

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Quote: " Driver is always based in real-life geographical locations"


What about GTA London or was that after Driver?

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I'm not sure. I have two more to add to the Driver list though.

+16. Driver was first to be able to shoot through car windows.

+17. Driver was the first to have death by car accident.

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This is 1st comparing to each other right? I mean Turbo Esprit from like 1986 or something had red lights and the like for example.

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Quote: "Driver was the first to have death by car accident."

Why doesn't that happen on GTA, it is ridiculous and pisses me off on a regular basis.
I once was riding my bicycle along in San Andreas and came out of the long grass to find myself on the freeway! no more than a second later WHAAAAMM! A truck doing about 100mph smashed straight into me! CJ was fine and just got up and got back on his bike!!!!! It was still cool though

I only had the original driver, the initial learning tests were so hard! The car chases were awesome but I just got bored of it after a while, no real variation in the play. I remember driving into the suburbs just to drive through the picket fences

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Quote: "I only had the original driver, the initial learning tests were so hard! The car chases were awesome but I just got bored of it after a while, no real variation in the play. I remember driving into the suburbs just to drive through the picket fences"


I liked the little jump out in that area

Unfortunately I can't stand to play driver any more, it's really craptastic to todays standards.. But loads of fun back in the day.

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I don't see how... they took their 2D game and made it 3D... seems to me like a logical progression for the series to take...

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Quote: "GTA was first to offer free-roam in a 2D environment.
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It was 3d. Get you facts right c++ Nerd The Buildings was 3d and stuff. I should know I own every GTA game. So you was very tired when you played the GTA games...
Quote: "Driver was the first to be able to shoot through car windows."

It was really GTA that, because you could do that in GTA 3.
And you missed one out...
GTA was first to have real-time day and night


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Quote: "It was really GTA that, because you could do that in GTA 3.
And you missed one out...
GTA was first to have real-time day and night"


GTA3 came out way after driver :/

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@Thraxas
They started developing Driver 1 in 1995, the GTA series didn't come along until 1997 or so, correct? I'm not trying to be an ass or anything, it's just that this subject is almost always disputed.

@Deathead
You can't shoot through car windows in GTA 3! Go and take a sniper rifle and try to shoot someone inside a car. Exactly, they won't die.

And I'm almost sure that GTA was a top-down, correct?

Maybe it was bad timing for the Driver series to release their product. I still stand with Driver.

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They started developing Driver 1 in 1995, the GTA series didn't come along until 1997 or so, correct? I'm not trying to be an ass or anything, it's just that this subject is almost always disputed."


I always thought GTA was released before Driver (I don't think you can start comparing the games from when they were being developed)... I also never thought of comparing the original driver with the original GTA as they were different types of game... and I don't think the makers of GTA screwed over the makers of Driver, they just made a better series of games imo...

I like both series of games and own them all except for the newest Driver game...

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Posted: 19th Aug 2007 19:04
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Quote: "You can't shoot through car windows in GTA 3! Go and take a sniper rifle and try to shoot someone inside a car. Exactly, they won't die."

They did becuase I can remember dragging out a body out of a car.
Actually I know we are having this debate on which is better GTA or Driver I like the GTA series better, but we should stop this debate now! We have different tastes but we all are self-minded indiviuals so we have our own oppinion so we should stop.

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