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JoelJ
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Google has announced, through a cute little comic, that they're going to be releasing a new web browser, called Google Chrome, which will use the WebKit rendering engine (which is the same renderer Safari uses). It actually is quite fascinating. When I first ran into this on Slashdot, my first thought was "Oh... great... lame" Then I read a bit about it and though "blah". Then I started reading the comic and realized there's a lot that will make it superior. The multi-threading/-processes is a sweet idea. So when/if one tab crashes, it'll only take that tab. Also when you close a tab, that tab's process ends, thus completely freeing up that memory - which limits memory fragmentation.
Plus they're making a new JavaScript virtual machine, trying to make it render javascript a lot faster. which will make online apps a lot faster as well.

I'm a big firefox fan, I never thought I'd think about switching. But this is the first browser that catches my eye since I made the switch to firefox years ago. I'm going to keep my eye on it... as google is the best.

Let's just hope it comes out sooner than later, and that it doesn't stay in beta for 5 years.


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Is it out yet?


cause i like my IE7 with the IE7 pro add-on

and IE8 is out in beta now...but im waiting to try that


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WTF?! IE is horrible, don't ever use it.


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IE? IE!? Ugh, I don't feel so good...



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after seeing that image i dont feel so good, but its hard to get rid of firefox.


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Meh that image just looks like he spits out a lot of milk, I've seen worse


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Firefox for life man!

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yea firefox is the way forward
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I used firefox for years until I discovered opera. It is obviously superior in all aspects. Cooks my dinner fetches the mail, and gives money to the homeless (from its own pocket and gives me credit for it!).

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Quote: "Then I started reading the comic and realized there's a lot that will make it superior. "


In the same way Opera + FF's innovations were absorbed into IE, I reckon most of its features will swiftly appear in FF, IE and Opera.


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Firefox is the best. I used IE before then I got annoyed on how it thinks the tabs are windows causing me not to open up anymore windows.


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Chrome is Open Source, so yeah, most of it will end up in other browsers.

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I still prefer Safari on the Mac, Firefox or Opera on Windows.


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Opera FTW! Firefox needs lots of addons before it can do the same as Opera. And Opera in my tests have been faster

Tho its just my personal opinion i cant argue against huge Firefox community, but i like the fact firefox is open source

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IE7 is not a bad browser. I think people say it's bad because they are anti-IE noobs that base their opinions off stuff someone else said, rather than having any reasons themselves.

I don't personally see myself switching from FF just yet, considering it'll probably absorb any cool features this new browser will have (as someone already mentioned).

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I don't base my opinions upon other peoples beliefs, I never have and I never will. I have used IE 7 almost all the time when I used windows and let me tell you, it was slow and buggy. So I tried FF since people said good things about it and the difference is staggering. And yes, I have used IE 7, I don't think there's any real difference in speed.


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Quote: "I have used IE 7 almost all the time when I used windows and let me tell you, it was slow and buggy."

Well when you upgrade your overclocked 286 let me know.

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Quote: "Well when you upgrade your overclocked 286 let me know.
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Sure. Because what you say that I have I obviously have, so... Can you say that I have 99 000 dollars?

Nah I'm just messing really, IE isn't that bad, I just find FF faster. IE's just fine.


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Posted: 2nd Sep 2008 18:15 Edited at: 2nd Sep 2008 18:20
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Quote: "Well when you upgrade your overclocked 286 let me know."


You slam people for not having legitimate reasons, and when these reasons are provided, you counter with mockery :/

Sounds like a case of pro-MS/IE noobery

And yeah, the slowness is what annoys me with IE. The lag between opening a new tab and actually seeing it is quite unbearable, as well as the one time setup crap it pesters with. The latter can be disabled etc. easily, but the fact you have to disable it or finish it is effort I can't be bothered to expend (and effort I shouldn't have to as well). With FF, at least I can just run it, and ignore the splash web page on first run entirely - there's no need to "setup" anything.

EDIT: This is specific to IE7. IE6 was OK, until one of the updates broke the progress bar quite majorly (Most of the time the progress for loading a page is completely wrong or missing until the page load is complete, for instance)


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Quote: "You slam people for not having legitimate reasons, and when these reasons are provided, you counter with mockery"

It's called a joke. Someone needs to learn to be less argumentative.

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Quote: "IE7 is not a bad browser. I think people say it's bad because they are anti-IE noobs that base their opinions off stuff someone else said, rather than having any reasons themselves."


No, it's cause IE is a graphic freak. It says "Look at my nice old tab display! I use up half your RAM, and I bugger your FPS Creator up!" While FireFox says "Gimme your internet specs, and I'll run it like a beauty. No hassle, not top-spec graphics. Just smooth-sailing through cyberspace." Besides, IE does come built-in with the so-called virus system.

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Quote: "Besides, IE does come built-in with the so-called virus system."

See, this is why I call people noobs.

As for IE using a lot of memory, I'm sure it does. But then so does Firefox given the chance, unless they've changed that recently.

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the fact of the matter is: Google Chrome comes out today!


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For me its the security aspects (holes) in IE which is the main reason I don't like using it. Firefox just works, its quick and its excellent for developing Web sites with. When it comes to JavaScript and CSS I find it much more strict than IE which prevents you cutting corners and makes you write pages properly. I like that.

Anyway, back to Chrome... It looks great and they really have designed it from the ground up for modern browsing. I love the idea of one page crashing but leaving all the others intact. My only worries are the amount of memory it will need for spawning processes for each window, and also what it will be sending off to Google. The fact the URL bar will list the top visited sites etc seems to suggests it will contacting Google quite a bit (unless I misunderstood that bit). Being open source it should be easy to confirm but I am worried they will be collecting up everyone's browsing habits.


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I'm all Safari. However, I may try this.

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Quote: "My only worries are the amount of memory it will need for spawning processes for each window"

I was also worried about that.

Quote: "he fact the URL bar will list the top visited sites etc seems to suggests it will contacting Google quite a bit (unless I misunderstood that bit)."


I think it bases all of this information based on how you use the browser, if I read it right. So it will only detect based on what recent sites you visit. Like you browse the tgc forums, and it'll add that to the search Que or something. :S That's just how I interpreted it.
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I think it bases all of this information based on how you use the browser, if I read it right. So it will only detect based on what recent sites you visit. Like you browse the tgc forums, and it'll add that to the search Que or something. :S That's just how I interpreted it."


Isn't it effectively the same system the "awesome bar" in FF3 uses?


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That actually what I kinda thought. However, the firefox bar only does it with bookmarks, which I honestly like better since I don't care about my web history on my browser. (Hmm fastest reply from me ever. :o )
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Quote: "However, the firefox bar only does it with bookmarks, "


It works with all visited sites, not just bookmarks


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Here are the first images of Chrome

http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/09/01/first-public-screen-captures-of-google-chrome/

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Opera uses the search bar too and i love it.

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Quote: "after seeing that image i dont feel so good, but its hard to get rid of firefox."

Quote: "Meh that image just looks like he spits out a lot of milk, I've seen worse "

*hehe* I know the interwebz for real... yep, I have seen much disgusting things on the web i`m afraid. Like uh... somthing that begins in G and can also be found in bioshock... in a type of way


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right... not to be off topic or thing, right?


Well, they say that they'll have a link to their download on their blog when it's ready for download.


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I see, well I don't keep my web history, since it appears useless to me, so I only saw it working with my bookmarks, which was quite useful for me

Anyway, I can't determine switching browsers just yet, but this does look promising. So I intend on testing it.
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CURSE YOU GOOGLE CHROME!
My web authoring professor just told us, and I quote:
Quote: "Everything we know about web design may be irrelevant tomorrow morning, because of google chrome."

They are destroying my future!

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i just this sec installed it, and thought i'd try out its speed by visiting a few pages and then i saw this thread when trying the tgc forums

so far i've noticed its very speedy, the interface is simple and makes more sense having the navigations in the tab, though it failed to import my auth'd sessions and the middle mousey clicky-scrolly-function doesn't work

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Using it to write this message. As El goorf just wrote, it feels speedy and a nice feature was that it imported my bookmarks from ff3 on startup.

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It seems to be quite intuitive, but there is no menu bar and I haven't found the settings yet

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The memory usage is interesting. I opened several identical tabs (completely different websites) in FF3, IE7, and Chrome, and the calculated memory used by each was 51MB, 65MB, and 90MB respectively. I did several tests like this and they all give similarly proportioned results.

Nonetheless, it seems quite speedy (it starts up amazingly quick on this computer), and it seems to render pretty fast but then maybe the others do too and I've never noticed. The lack of a menu bar I don't like.

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I rarely care how much memory an app takes up unless I'm doing a lot of things at the same time, or if there is a major memory leak (like pre-Firefox 3). Memory stability is important.


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I think it's pretty. I like how you can drag and drop your tabs around into different windows or their own windows... I will use that.

It seems REALLY fast. and the JavaScript renderer is supposed to be way sweet.

I do want my mouse gestures plug in though.

I'm really liking it. The lack of main menu seems a little annoying, but thinking about it... I don't really ever use it anyway. So I think I'll get used to it.

One thing I really DON'T like though, is in most every program when you middle click, it lets you scroll just by moving the mouse... for some reason Chrome isn't doing that for me...

holy cow... you can resize textboxes!


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If Bush has achieved nothing else, he has made sure his geographical skills have been adopted by all of America, now drawing Google into the fold...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09/02/chrome_european_map/

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I don't get it? He's pointing at Denmark


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It's faster than firefox but slightly less standards compliant; I think this is because it uses an older version of the webkit rendering engine as opera renders the acid 2 and 3 tests far better. As for everything else it could use a little bit more polish, such as allowing you to change the colour of the boarder and maybe adding a stop and bookmarks button.

Apart from that it's great, it moulds most of the best features of firefox, opera, safari and internet explorer 8 all into one package and with a few more updates could be truly great.

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Am I the only one who can't access the forums or logic page at TGC with this browser. It appears faster at rendering and smoother. (not useful if I can't access TGC properly though. ) I can log on to an SMForum and photobucket (the image below was uploaded through the Google Browser)




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No!!! It's spreading northwards!
Just below Denmark is Belgium, The Netherlands, Luxembourg and Germany. On that map it's all one country

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Quote: "I rarely care how much memory an app takes up unless I'm doing a lot of things at the same time, or if there is a major memory leak"

Agreed, just thought it would be interesting to note.

Quote: "I don't get it? He's pointing at Denmark "

Yes, that really large country where Germany used to be. Back to geography class you go.

[edit] BatVink posted at the same time. The cheek!

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Is it me or do multiple chrome processes appear in the task manager? I think it's because the browser is multi-threaded and uses a different process for each tab or multiples of tabs.

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Quote: "Is it me or do multiple chrome processes appear in the task manager?"

That's part of what is so important about Chrome. It uses a different process for each tab (well to me it seems like it uses a process per website, not tab), so that if one tab goes boom it doesn't bring the whole browser down.

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Quote: "one tab goes boom it doesn't bring the whole browser down"


Interesting, does anyone know if you can develop addons for chrome, I can't find anything about it.

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