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Kevin Picone
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Posted: 27th Jan 2009 05:12 Edited at: 27th Jan 2009 05:41
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EU may force rival browsers on Windows
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-263997.html


Shock Horror - IBM accused of mainframe monopoly
http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-262970.html


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Mr Z
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Bundle another browser? Now I do not like MS or how they bundle stuff so tight with Windows, but this is redicolus!

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I've had a dual monitor setup for about a year and a half now, it's superb, so superb even I'm going to be upgrading to a triple monitor system in a few days.

I'm all for MS having to bundle something like FF with windows instead of IE, although in this case it's just ridiculous.


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Posted: 27th Jan 2009 15:32
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Quote: "Bundle another browser? Now I do not like MS or how they bundle stuff so tight with Windows, but this is redicolus!
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Yeah I don't like the crap load of bundled stuff in windows either, but at least they're removing it and offering it as a download in Win 7.

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Mr Z
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Quote: "Yeah I don't like the crap load of bundled stuff in windows either, but at least they're removing it and offering it as a download in Win 7."


I was more thinking about integrating the applications less tightly with the OS, so I could just uninstall IE as I can with Firefox if I wanted without any problems.

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I just thought I might pleasure you all with the quality received from my windows box today:
1. Logged onto openSuse (Changed from ubuntu, Got bored)
2. Decided to work on my engine, Which uses Ogre, and needs windows to test the directx portion of it.
3. Logged onto windows XP.
4. Loaded up Nod32, MSN, And froze (As it seems to from time to time, Shock horror)
5. Restarted, Logged back into windows xp. Froze Again.
6. Restarted, Logged back into windows xp, Finally it did not freeze.
7. Did about an hour of work on my engine, And it occurs to me, I need to test it in vista aswell. So i save, Get out my vista cd, Restart, And install vista onto a separate drive.
8. Got basic vista installed, And decided to run windows update.
9. Windows updated completed, installing all important updates. Restarted.
10. Installed needed applications such as vlc, MSN, Mail, Filezilla.
11. Restarted.
12. Installed VC++ 2008.
13. Restarted.
14. Got my engine to compile, It worked.
15. Worked on it for another hour.
16. Suddenly the old "Postspone Update" box appeared, and windows had obviously just installed yet another update, So i hit restart.
17. Waited for about 5 mins for the update to install.
18. Booted back up, And windows attempted to update the update (3 of 3 stage screen). Got to 54%, And reset again.
19. Didnt think much.
20. Same thing happend again, 54%, Restart...
21. ...And again....
22. ...And again!...
23. ...AND AGAIN!!!!!!
24. Stormed out the room thinking "How the hell does bill get away with this ****"
25. Finally came to the decision that i needed to reinstall windows AGAIN, Only 1.5 hours after a previous install!
26. Installed windows vista..... and its working at the moment!

To all you people who hold windows in such high regard..... I could crash less, if i tried to fly a 747 in a matchbox!! I could crash less if i tried to swim in a pool of lego's! I could crash into less poo particles in a year!

Meanwhile, 4 other linux boxes, Including my development platform doing some 3d rendering, and 3 other family machines, One of which, my brothers, has been cherning away on quake 4 for 6 hours, The other two mainly on facebook and myspace. And guess what? I asked my brother, sister and dad if their computers had crashed or had any problems, just out of curiocity, and guess the answer.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hopefully that word has been burned into your retina. So every time your almighty windows box goes wrong, Just think of us Linux and mac users actually GETTING ON WITH WHAT WE WANT TO DO!

Thats right, Linux does NOT CRASH! How did it come to this? Bill gates is one of the richest people in the world! How can his operating system, into which billions of dollars a year is put into, Crash more than an ant digging in concrete! Like every iteration of this pile-o-poop (Im not allowed to use "swear" words such as ....), There are never any REAL USEFUL improvements. 98 - XP = Looks better + slightly more stable. XP - Vista = Again, Simply looks better. Whats the point? All the "limitations" such as directx10 are artificial. Does this not say something about microsoft as a company?

I will probably get noob slapped or even worse a ban on here, But i just had to let off the steam, After spending a whole day of development time and life looking at this horrid piece of s**te, And trying to get it to work for more than the installation, And 2 seconds of runtime.

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Quote: "The lawsuit spanned close to a decade but SCO was unable to prove anything from Unix was put in Linux by IBM engineers.
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I think SCO is still trying.


One thing to point out about Windows not giving you all the install options you'd like, I just finished reinstalling Mac OS/X the other day. No install options, it's just click and go. So I sat there watching it install everything....in every language. Why do I need to install swedish or traditional chinese support? There are several apps MS lets you choose upon installation, whereas Apple just does it all. It is easier, but as it is with Macs, they keep things easier by hiding all the details from the user which I do not like.

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General Reed
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Posted: 29th Jan 2009 20:43
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Quote: "There are several apps MS lets you choose upon installation"

Have you installed vista?

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Quote: "98 - XP = Looks better "


That comparison is stupid. XP is a massive leap from 98 (in terms of consumer OS - if you didn't use 2k)

The problem with Vista, is that XP did the job 'too well'. People found the stability and speed perfect, and saw nothing in Vista that interested them (which is my stance, combined with the fact it has run crap on everything I've seen it on, even brand new quad core machines take much longer to log on than XP)


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Posted: 29th Jan 2009 20:55 Edited at: 29th Jan 2009 20:56
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Quote: "That comparison is stupid. XP is a massive leap from 98 (in terms of consumer OS - if you didn't use 2k)"

The only reason i switched was because xp was slightly less buggy, And alot of programs were no longer supported on 98 for artificial reasons more than anything. A dx9 game looks and plays the same on 98 as it does on xp. I guess you could say that it being less buggy is alone an upgrade point, But should 98 have had that many bugs in it in the first place? I think you will find that most people will answer "no".

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Posted: 29th Jan 2009 21:35 Edited at: 29th Jan 2009 21:36
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Quote: "One thing to point out about Windows not giving you all the install options you'd like, I just finished reinstalling Mac OS/X the other day. No install options, it's just click and go. So I sat there watching it install everything....in every language. Why do I need to install swedish or traditional chinese support? There are several apps MS lets you choose upon installation, whereas Apple just does it all. It is easier, but as it is with Macs, they keep things easier by hiding all the details from the user which I do not like."


Apple is even worse then windows when it comes to freedom of choice .

Would prefer if they did not hide options, there exist alternatives to that method.

Quote: "The problem with Vista, is that XP did the job 'too well'. People found the stability and speed perfect, and saw nothing in Vista that interested them (which is my stance, combined with the fact it has run crap on everything I've seen it on, even brand new quad core machines take much longer to log on than XP)"


I am going a course in security, and I must say, a few of XPs... quirks are quite scary from a security point of view.

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I can honestly not remember the last time my xp laptop froze. Like literally, it must have been about half a year ago that I have had to hold down the power button to restart it. My laptop's a dell, about 3 years old, and pretty packed with stuff - I have it switched on for on average 12hours a day, every day, sometimes I just leave it on.

And I don't have an antivirus installed ~ and I've never had a virus.

Occasionally an app will stop running, sure, but nothing a quick 'end task' in task manager won't fix...

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Posted: 29th Jan 2009 22:13 Edited at: 29th Jan 2009 22:16
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Quote: "The only reason i switched was because xp was slightly less buggy, And alot of programs were no longer supported on 98 for artificial reasons more than anything"


No: You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. 98 was still DOS based - XP is NT based. That's the whole point of the transition; XP was the first consumer NT-based system, and that's why lots of applications ceased functioning

EDIT: 98 didn't have bugs as such (OK, it did, but not in the way you mean it). 98 was screwy because it bent over backwards for compatibility - it was built on DOS for God's sake! That meant inheriting VxD drivers and a bunch of 95 legacy stuff. DOS was not meant to be 'abused' in the way Windows made use of it, and so it had significant stability issues with I/O and drivers (BSoD when ejecting media unexpectedly anyone? ) At least MS bothered to transition Windows to a more stable system; otherwise we'd still be tolerating some kind of DOS based hell


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Quote: "I can honestly not remember the last time my xp laptop froze. Like literally, it must have been about half a year ago that I have had to hold down the power button to restart it. My laptop's a dell, about 3 years old, and pretty packed with stuff - I have it switched on for on average 12hours a day, every day, sometimes I just leave it on.

And I don't have an antivirus installed ~ and I've never had a virus.
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I think it depends on what you do. I admit, I pound my systems all day, and so i should probably expect a crash here and there. Multiple instances of vc++/kdevelop, 3dsmax, msn/Amsn including about 10 convos, Paint shop pro/gimp, 10x notepad/vim, 5-10x instances of firefox. And when i dont have that all going, I usualy have a game like crysis or something running. So as i said, i should expect to have a crash here and there, Due to the applications, As i have done in linux which Crashed once this year, None last year, and twice the year before (Funny how im actualy able to count the number of crashes in linux). But why is it that im always getting conciderably more crashes in windows, Than in any other os, On any other of my household computers? Theres no way its just coincidence.

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Occasionally an app will stop running, sure, but nothing a quick 'end task' in task manager won't fix..."

Another nuscance of windows. Oh look, Something is not responding, No problem ill just end the process.... End process[click], End process[click], End process[click], End process[click], End process[click], End process[click], End process[click], End process[click].. Oh and look still not responding. Ahwell, Guess i'd better just restart.

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Quote: "But why is it that im always getting conciderably more crashes in windows, Than in any other os, On any other of my household computers? Theres no way its just coincidence."


App crash? BSoD? System app crash? What kind of crash are we talking here?


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Quote: " You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. 98 was still DOS based - XP is NT based. That's the whole point of the transition; XP was the first consumer NT-based system, and that's why lots of applications ceased functioning"

I see, I was not aware of this. Then again ive never cared much for ms's crappy "technology". You know the reason why i didn't realise? Because there's no damn difference! I used to play POTC, True crime, Mafia, The same way on windows 98, As i did later on XP. The same problem all versions of windows has, They are all the same technically, Just look different.

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Posted: 29th Jan 2009 22:22 Edited at: 29th Jan 2009 22:26
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Quote: "No: You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. 98 was still DOS based - XP is NT based. That's the whole point of the transition; XP was the first consumer NT-based system, and that's why lots of applications ceased functioning"


And what you mentioned here is a HUGE improvement, from a standard user perspective. NT is way more secure, to take one example. Also, under NT programs cannot mess with each others memory, which if I am not mistaken was something that was fully possible under Windows 98. And then it is how 98 managed different users... I think, if I remember correctly, it was simply stored in a .ini file, which would be quite easy to crack (XP at last uses things like hash-values, even though the default algorythm is not very good and relatively easy to crack, it is way better then what was under windows 98... must also point out that this is fixed in Vista).

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Quote: "App crash? BSoD? System app crash? What kind of crash are we talking here?"

Some times crashes, Where i press alt-ctrl-del, End process, and it wont end, its running in full screen and so.... Restart. Sometimes total freezes, No BSoD screen, just no response from any input device whatsoever. And please dont go "Oh well thats app related". So what? That may be the case, but windows should have the ability to catch it. An application is NOT the OS, and so the OS should not go down with it. It should be the other way round, Os goes down = Apps go down, Which also happens.

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Quote: "Some times crashes, Where i press alt-ctrl-del, End process, and it wont end, its running in full screen and so.... Restart. Sometimes total freezes, No BSoD screen, just no response from any input device whatsoever. And please dont go "Oh well thats app related". So what? That may be the case, but windows should have the ability to catch it. An application is NOT the OS, and so the OS should not go down with it. It should be the other way round, Os goes down = Apps go down, Which also happens."


Had that problem as well, nagged my mind but then I realized there was a conflict between the firewall and Windows Update. Changed firewall, problem solved. Not good the problem should have appeared, but things like this can be solved.

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Posted: 29th Jan 2009 22:41 Edited at: 29th Jan 2009 22:42
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Quote: "And please dont go "Oh well thats app related". So what? That may be the case, but windows should have the ability to catch it. An application is NOT the OS, and so the OS should not go down with it. It should be the other way round, Os goes down = Apps go down, Which also happens."


Well, it is app related - if the application is bombing, it isn't the OSes fault.

And yes, the application is not the OS - but if apps do something dumb, it's easy to bring down the machine. Take fork bombs for instance, as an example where this also happens under Mac OS X/ Linux/Unix/BSD etc. There's no way to protect against them besides killing them when they consume too much RAM/processor etc. but in most systems this auto-killing doesn't happen. So this isn't just a Windows related problem - keeping apps responsive but also killing misbehaving ones in a graceful manner is difficult.

Also, it's very rare that a single misbehaving app will take the entire machine down any way. Maybe an explorer restart for something really bad, but restarts, absolutely not. What the hell kind of programs do you run?


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Quote: "Then again ive never cared much for ms's crappy "technology". You know the reason why i didn't realise? Because there's no damn difference! I used to play POTC, True crime, Mafia, The same way on windows 98, As i did later on XP. The same problem all versions of windows has, They are all the same technically, Just look different."


That is THE stupidest argument I've ever, ever, ever heard. Because they got their backwards compatibility right, they must be the same technically? What the hell is wrong with you? Linux can run some very old UNIX apps - it doesn't mean it's the same as the original UNIX.

Seriously, try learning to program some time, and code for both 9x and NT, maybe once you make an application worth running, you'll realise how fundamentally different these two architectures are (For one thing, 9x 'fakes' unicode, which is one big stumbling block)


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Is there a particular reason you have 5-10 instances of Firefox running instead of just having 1 instance using tabs? Just curious.

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Yes, Obviously i have no idea how to program *cough*[herf]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tUT9loDko_E[/herf]*cough*. And obviously i must be going absolutely loopy, Because the famous for never crashing os, Windows, is crashing. As long as its the users fault, Then its fine. Of course the fact that a highly more complex OS like Linux, or Mac, just happens to not crash, But that of course is irrellivant for some reason or another.

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Quote: "Is there a particular reason you have 5-10 instances of Firefox running instead of just having 1 instance using tabs? Just curious."

Because of a very bad habit from the non tab days.

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Yeah, you're really l33t there, shaders a skybox and some clouds. Wow. Besides, you still haven't answered the question about what application is supposedly bringing down your entire machine, so I can only assume you made that lot up, to cover your complete lack of understanding about the Windows OS (NT and 9x being the same is some pretty inexcusable crap-talk from someone who calls themselves a programmer)


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I've taken a few security courses before (my BS is in digital forensics) and I can tell you Vista improved quite a bit over XP. Should I get a job in the field, Vista could make my life more difficult. Right now, its not very difficult to retrieve data from an XP drive, user-directory or not, or recover all account passwords on the PC (a lab we had to do).

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I did have a huge reply, But it didn't go thru for some reason, So im not going to bother any more. I could not give one crap what you think about my projects, Btw Its not a sky box, If you actually had watched the vid, You would have noticed that the clouds are DYNAMIC, the sun is DYNAMIC, there's a full day night system. Also the sea is infact calculated on cpu, with a simple norm/fresnel shader slapped on top of it. Seems you are the one who needs to learn, not i. Besides, What have you made that compares graphicly?

You can all say "Oh hes admitted hes lost" as much as you want, But im telling you know im not, Im simply not arguing about this any more, and going over to a non-noob filled forum - ogre3d. Bye.

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You keep saying this.

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Good to see you admitted your loss at this argument.

Quote: "Besides, What have you made that compares graphicly?"


That pretty much sums up why you're in no position what-so-ever to critique operating systems, much less the differences between kernels and base systems.


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Quote: "I've taken a few security courses before (my BS is in digital forensics) and I can tell you Vista improved quite a bit over XP. Should I get a job in the field, Vista could make my life more difficult. Right now, its not very difficult to retrieve data from an XP drive, user-directory or not, or recover all account passwords on the PC (a lab we had to do)."


Vista is a HUGE improvement over XP when it comes to security.

We are going to experiment with programs that recovers XP passwords for different users. Those programs just need time, then they can crack any password in XP. Does not work in Vista, someone tried.

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I've had Vista for about half a year now, and I'm impressed - apart from the several thousand times I've had BSoD at startup.
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Ok, so you've got some pretty water and clouds.

What else?

I took a look at the other videos you had of your "engine" and saw a pretty sun, a pretty sky, and some pretty water. But what about everything else? Do you have any physics engine integrated in it? And is there any AI at all, even just basic A* pathfinding? How about portal/occlusion culling, or dynamic LOD terrain? What about a scripting language? Or a vegetation system? I just find it very funny that you criticize Vista so much for attempting to improve graphically from XP, but then when it comes to your own dev your concerned with nothing but aesthetics.

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Mr Z
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Quote: "I just find it very funny that you criticize Vista so much for attempting to improve graphically from XP, but then when it comes to your own dev your concerned with nothing but aesthetics."


You know that some of us do not find the Vista UI (not talking themes here, but the layout of different options and so) very appealing .

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General Reed
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Quote: "I took a look at the other videos you had of your "engine" and saw a pretty sun, a pretty sky, and some pretty water. But what about everything else? Do you have any physics engine integrated in it? And is there any AI at all, even just basic A* pathfinding? How about portal/occlusion culling, or dynamic LOD terrain? What about a scripting language? Or a vegetation system? I just find it very funny that you criticize Vista so much for attempting to improve graphically from XP, but then when it comes to your own dev your concerned with nothing but aesthetics."

Wip dude, Wip. Ive only been working on it for about 2.5 weeks

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Quote: "Quote: "I just find it very funny that you criticize Vista so much for attempting to improve graphically from XP, but then when it comes to your own dev your concerned with nothing but aesthetics."

You know that some of us do not find the Vista UI (not talking themes here, but the layout of different options and so) very appealing ."


Yes, that's why I said "attempting to improve".

Quote: "Wip dude, Wip. Ive only been working on it for about 2.5 weeks"


Ya, but thus far it appears as if you've only been working on graphic features, leading me to believe that's the only thing you're really concerned about.

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Mr Z
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Good point .

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General Reed
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Indeed. I do it out of habit partly, Even tho im alot more interested in cool gameplay mechanics. My idea is to get everything graphical out of the way, Then work on the mechanics. Im soon to add openal for sound, and physx. I just have a few kinks to work out.

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Didn't you leave to the OGRE3D forums? Not knowing the difference between 9x and NT is pretty disgraceful indeed.


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General Reed
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Jesus Christ! What are you guys thick or something? Of course i know the difference between 9x and NT. I said it didnt SEEM like there was a REAL difference. Just like the diffrence between a 2.8ghz cpu, and 2.9ghz cpu. On paper they are diffrent, But in reality, They are the same. All i was saying is that alot of the games i played on 98, Played the same on XP. Even the ones which came out way after xp's time.

Quote: "Didn't you leave to the OGRE3D forums"

Yes, I keep trying, Then you guys keep coming back with this [mod edit] *ing out 2 letters of a word...come on grow up [/mod edit].

Goodbye noob's.

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Linux r teh noob. End of argument

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Just piping in, my friend had a processor 0.2 ghz faster than mine (they were both crappy) and it made a ton of a difference.

But I agree, linux is waaaay superior.

Continue arguing.

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If i had a choice between linux and mac, i'll take linux =)

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Benjamin
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I really miss General Reed ever since he told us he was going over to a non-noob filled forum and then posted again.

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Me too, helps that I can't afford even the crappiest Mac though. Wouldn't even buy one for the money, I can build myself a much better PC for the price and then install OSX on it.

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Drew Cameron
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I think people who take pride in using a more complicated OS and that it makes it a better person (calling others noobs) are really missing something in their lives. Talk about compensating.

P.S: I use Windows mainly because its easy to use, believe it or not XP doesn't always crash and stuff I use works on it.

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Well now. More than anything from this thread, I've seen yet again that General Reed just can't argue on the internet for balls. Not taking into account what you might know or what you've programmed, you just plain suck at internet arguments. Not a big deal at all, just try and get into them less.

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I hope they do remove IE, Personally i've altered my Registry to remove all icons to it so my younger brother and sister don't use it as i don't trust the security in IE.

I use FireFox, Its better secured, Better Download App, Better Features, and Much more Stable.

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Mr Z
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Firefox is also the most attacked browser at the moment .

Not saying it is bad, I use it and I find it to be way better then IE, but it does not mean you can be 100% safe.

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I have been sitting on my ass for 8 hours, coding, making music and playing games, i've used this computer many hours a day for the past 1 year, using Windows Vista btw, and i've never had a problem with it i couldnt fix myself, I must say that I'm a very happy Vista user.

You shouldnt blame the operating system for something you're unable to understand or fix. At least learn how to properly use computers if you're going to bitch about anything, else you're just one of those idiots who blame the operating system for stuff they themselves can't comprehend and i suspect that you're one of them. I guess that's why Windows 7 has been getting bettter responce than vista, because it's more idiot proof.

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You'll have to let me know if you use a linux programs. There was a specific one we used.

Quote: "I just find it very funny that you criticize Vista so much for attempting to improve graphically from XP, but then when it comes to your own dev your concerned with nothing but aesthetics"

I think there's a big difference in priorities when it comes to an OS or making a video game.

Quote: "All i was saying is that alot of the games i played on 98, Played the same on XP"

"Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit" was really the only game I had for 98 that I couldn't get to work on an OS using the NT kernal.

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