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David R
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Quote: "Jesus Christ! What are you guys thick or something?
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Nope, but you certainly seem to act like it

Quote: "I guess that's why Windows 7 has been getting bettter responce than vista, because it's more idiot proof.
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That's a pretty ignorant thing to say - just because you haven't experienced issues doesn't mean there aren't any (Talking of which, Vista SP1 still fails to run MSVC 08 correctly, I get an incremental linker crash every other build)


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Quote: "You'll have to let me know if you use a linux programs. There was a specific one we used."


Think it is an XP program, have not used it yet but I have seen others do it. Have not come that far myself.

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All i got from this thread was that
"General Reed can't argue for balls"
Now i'm going to give my own opinion, i know you didn't ask for it but you will have to deal for now.
It seems General Reed has bad habits that he inflicts upon himself which causes his Computer to bog down and which results in a crash, i quote;
Quote: "Multiple instances of vc++/kdevelop, 3dsmax, msn/Amsn including about 10 convos, Paint shop pro/gimp, 10x notepad/vim, 5-10x instances of firefox."

First of all, as has been mentioned, you do not need multiple instances of firefox, hence why they have tabbed browsing. 10 Conversations of msn is difficult to actually to keep up with, therefore making me believe he is exaggerating. 3dsmax, as far as i know of, without emulation does not wor...
Screw it i give up.
If you treat your OS with respect, it will treat you with respect. If you bombard it with applications that you aren't using in conjunction with each other it is not going to react well to what you are doing for it. If i'm modelling, i usually have either max/Zbrush open, in conjunction with photoshop for textures. At this point thats all i need, that and maybe an msn conversation.
As i have said before, if you truly know how to use a windows OS, it should give you no problems. I have optimized mine as much as i am happy with and i've only had vista crash on me once, right now, i just think its the dogs bollocks and i have never had any problems with it, not to mention the fact that with a little know how, everything works on it.
I just noticed something, are you seriously telling me that because an application would not quit in the task manager that you restarted your entire computer? That is just ridiculous right there, that should be a last resort and if you give it some time, it usually ends anyway.

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General Reed
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Posted: 30th Jan 2009 22:10 Edited at: 31st Jan 2009 10:59
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Quote: "If you treat your OS with respect, it will treat you with respect. If you bombard it with applications that you aren't using in conjunction with each other it is not going to react well to what you are doing for it."

True, In theory. See where i come from - I do the same thing of bombardment on linux, as i do on windows. Windows crashes every 5 damn mins, Linux dosent. Also, You know what really pisses me off? WTF is with the "Oh click here to end now [click][click][click] END TASK DAMN IT!" and 5 mins later, it still hasn't ended. In Linux, App crashes, Box pops up "Keep running, or Terminate", You click terminate, And guess the what? IT TERMINATE.... INSTANTLY! I actualy remember when i switched to linux, and got my first app crash. I was thinking "Oh no, Better start the "end task" clicking" And you know what it ended first time!

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If you right click the application in task manager and select go to process, and then select end process, it will usually terminate the application instantly - at least it always does for me.


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General Reed
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Posted: 30th Jan 2009 22:40 Edited at: 31st Jan 2009 10:59
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Quote: "If you right click the application in task manager and select go to process, and then select end process, it will usually terminate the application instantly - at least it always does for me."

Yes 70% of the time it does. But that's MS's motto isnt it "At least 70 of the way!". Well to MS - I WANT 100%, I paid for this peice of junk, Multiple times over - I deserve to get a WORKING PRODUCT. Im sorry all for the abusive language, but im puerly sick of the flakey quality from this a*sless product. I have literley seen better constructed -bricks.

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Posted: 30th Jan 2009 22:41 Edited at: 30th Jan 2009 22:51
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Vista closes them much better than XP ever did and if it doesn't, i just end the process in the process tab like RalphY said, not in the application tab. I was sure you were doing it this way...
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You are moaning endlessly about Windows and blaming Bill Gates himself for your problems. It is usually the way with people to push the blame upon someone else before considering that it is actually themselves that is causing the problem. Look within yourself(or your actions) before starting to blame another, or the software. Might help you get on in life.
If you really hate Windows, then don't use it and don't give me that 'I develop for windows so therefore i have to use it' bollocks. Just develop for something else and stay away from it if it supposedly 'crashes every 5 minutes'.

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Quote: " I was sure you were doing it this way..."

I use the process tab.

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Posted: 30th Jan 2009 22:51 Edited at: 31st Jan 2009 10:59
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Yer, Windows never crashes my ass! Take a look at the screenshot attached. Quite weird how ive copied many terrabytes in good ol linux, But windows vista makes a fuss about 1.5K!

Screenshot - Its just stuck like that! Ah well, I guess id better restartd YET A GAIN!

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What kind of antivirus are you running?

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You don't have to restart everytime something small goes wrong.
Just cancel/quit it and try again, i've had this happen sometimes where it hangs but it did actually copy over. Stop making a fuss and reaching for the restart button everytime a little problem occurs.
"Oh No! Paint started in a minimized window! Better restart"...

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Posted: 30th Jan 2009 23:06
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Quote: "Windows crashes every 5 damn mins, Linux dosent. Also, You know what really pisses me off?"


What programs are you running that cause it to crash every 5 minutes... Oh wait, you're not. You plucked that figure out of the air.

I suppose you must get 5 mixed up with 5000 or something, in the same way you seem to get 9x and NT mixed up.

Just to clarify, you can program, right? Or is that just an act you play at parties/forums? Because it seems to me you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, let alone knowing how to construct any kind of logical argument (In fact, what is your argument, you can't maintain your machine to avoid crashes every 5 minutes or something? Why is your retarded machine our problem?)


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Posted: 30th Jan 2009 23:24 Edited at: 30th Jan 2009 23:24
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IDEA!
If you just can't stand to stay away from your beloved Vista use these for the next 5-10 times you format this week.

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Well, General Reed's vocabulary surely is more impressive than his arguing skills.


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Posted: 31st Jan 2009 00:40 Edited at: 31st Jan 2009 00:41
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Quote: "just because you haven't experienced issues doesn't mean there aren't any "


I have experienced my share of issues, i've been able to fix every one of them, including getting MSVC and other related products to work just fine. All it took was a quick google search and from there on it was no problem.

General Reed, do you honestly think that how you've experienced windows is actually how it's supposed to work? It doesnt take an idiot to realise that the answer to that question is no.

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Posted: 31st Jan 2009 01:09 Edited at: 31st Jan 2009 11:00
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Quote: "You don't have to restart everytime something small goes wrong.
Just cancel/quit it and try again, i've had this happen sometimes where it hangs but it did actually copy over. Stop making a fuss and reaching for the restart button everytime a little problem occurs.
"Oh No! Paint started in a minimized window! Better restart"..."

Dude, I clicked cancel .... IT STAYED LIKE WHAT YOU SEE IN THE SCREENSHOT. Why The is it SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO hard for you guys to accept that your beloved OS has genuine problems!

And you know what really pisses me off? You keep saying im incompitant right? And that i cant maintain a computer. Well its pretty rich saying that, Since im the only one here who maintains an apparently harder to use operating system! Don't you understand, My computer is fine, I'm fine, Linux works fine, WINDOWS KEEP GOING WRONG, AND THERE IS THE DAMN PROBLEM! If i can run Linux on a day to day basis, I should be able to maintain windows, if it was actually a stable system! Windows feels like a baby's toy to run in comparison to Linux!

Quote: "I suppose you must get 5 mixed up with 5000 or something, in the same way you seem to get 9x and NT mixed up. "

It was what is known in the world of humans as an Overexaduarion. Its more like every 2 hours, But still it should NEVER CRASH!

Quote: "Just to clarify, you can program, right? Or is that just an act you play at parties/forums? Because it seems to me you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, let alone knowing how to construct any kind of logical argument (In fact, what is your argument, you can't maintain your machine to avoid crashes every 5 minutes or something? Why is your retarded machine our problem?)"

No i cant program, Ive just used a magic wand to create my 3d engine. Moron.

Quote: "General Reed, do you honestly think that how you've experienced windows is actually how it's supposed to work? It doesnt take an idiot to realise that the answer to that question is no."

No, Of course its not supposed to work like that, But as i said, Why is it so hard for you guys to admin that windows has had, and still has serious problems. Like i attached a screenshot of windows going wrong, And you all just ignored it as usual, asif it's useless. Let me repeat.

In that screen shot i posted earlier, I simply tried to copy two icons from the desktop, to folders on the desktop, And that happend. YES I TRIED CLOSING IT, THAT SCREENSHOT WAS TAKEN AFTER I TRIED CLOSING THE COPY WINDOWS! I tried ending process on explorer.exe (Which is basicly a restart anyway), Which did not work. So i reset the computer, as im always having to.

I like the way you were all like "Yeah well you dont have to restart from small things like that", To me thats a big deal! Having two useless windows just floating around, and not being able to get rid of them is a big ! Stop dismissing the fact that windows has some absolutely absurd problems.

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I smile at your posts. If you wish to use an infuriating operating system, try Mac OS X on a network. Caches, pagefiles, the lot is all network shared except your desktop background oddly. And so prepare for pinwheels when stuff can't load quick enough and Kernel Panics when pagefiles just can't be retrieved.

Really, Windows isn't that bad. It's the most responsive and agile of the lot from my experience. It strikes a good compromise between the technical nightmare of Linux and the frustrating inflexibility of OS X. I've used all three extensively at college on the same network on the same systems for the past few months and Windows still has little issues but it seems the most productive.

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As I said, what A/V are you running? The problems you're having scream AVG antivirus.

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That's complete rubbish, only the Public folder is shared, hence the point of it. You've seriously screwed your machine if it's sharing that lot that by default

EDIT: If you're talking about root volume AFP sharing, it doesn't incur any performance loss unless someone is actively viewing it (i.e accessing files) from elsewhere. It has zero performance effect on the local machine

Quote: "No i cant program, Ive just used a magic wand to create my 3d engine. Moron."


Looks as though you can barely type a coherent post, so it's not beyond reason that you can't code either


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I didn't tell it to do any of that. Stupid network admin's an imbecile, probably not set it up right. When the systems are disconnected from the network OS X is definitely the quickest. It's being shared because he's blocked access to the Macs' own hard drives so they have to share this kind of stuff. Idiot. Perhaps I should have noted that the setup does seem very odd.

And, Reed, if you honestly think the ability to produce a scene like that in a simplified programming language is any measure of your knowledge of the inner workings of a computer I am sorry to inform you that you are terribly mistaken.

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Quote: "I didn't tell it to do any of that. Stupid network admin's an imbecile, probably not set it up right. When the systems are disconnected from the network OS X is definitely the quickest. It's being shared because he's blocked access to the Macs' own hard drives so they have to share this kind of stuff. Idiot. Perhaps I should have noted that the setup does seem very odd."


Ah fair enough, never used OS X in a centralised server-like config myself, so I have no experience with it at all - it may well be that it has performance issues.


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Yes, I keep trying, Then you guys keep coming back with this bullf**k.

Goodbye noob's."


O hey, General Reed is back.... Hey!

I guess I'll have to throw away that Goodbye banner I made. Benjamin will have to chuck away the cake he spent hours crafting. He baked it in the shape of a penguin, he knew you'd like it .
Cancel the fireworks tha_rami, he's staying... It looks like he's staying. That was a load of effort and money wasted.... But it doesn't matter.
You should have heard the song Oolite prepared though, it was beautiful.


But anyway. I think Windows is a pretty good OS, despite it's faults. I have Ubuntu installed on another HDD, even though it is faster, it doesn't do exactly what is says on the tin. It takes a Computer Science degree to install anything, Videos don't play properly, Firefox doesn't render pages correctly, I can't use Dual monitors nor can I play any of the games I own.
I would rather suffer a few crashes than go without certain major features and ease of use.
I think anybody can agree that a windows platform is incredibly accessible, despite it's flaws.

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@General Reed - Take your anger out and email Bill Gates. Swearing with asterisks is actually against the rules here. Yes, you're angry, but choose to use other words ok?


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Quote: "And, Reed, if you honestly think the ability to produce a scene like that in a simplified programming language is any measure of your knowledge of the inner workings of a computer I am sorry to inform you that you are terribly mistaken."

I used c++ , Also i do know my way around the "Inner workings", But i find the theory side of computer science, Boring, and not really nessecery to create complex applications.

Quote: "I think anybody can agree that a windows platform is incredibly accessible, despite it's flaws."

Yes, I can easily agree with that, But i would prefer not to have to restart all the time. Ive litterly spend weeks of my life reinstalling windows on this one machine, its mad!

And btw atm i have no antivirus on here, Ive only recently reinstalled windows.

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I suppose it all depends upon what you used with C++; I have seen some real simplified stuff out there. String models, object orientated code, plug-in libraries. By contrast, if you really get deep into it and start directly manipulating pointers, etc. it gets really easy to make mistakes and it takes a lot of knowledge that's hard to understand.

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You must be doing something wrong. I've had Windows for years and have only had to reinstall windows a few times, and they were for hardware faults, new computers and viruses.

But if you prefer using Linux then that's fine.

That said, are you actually installing a legitimate copy of windows? I find it hard to believe you would spend money to upgrade to Vista if everything is working fine in Linux.

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I personally think that you can only really appreciate the 'inner workings' (in general) if you have a go at OS dev. (which I personally have done, briefly). Not from the technical perspective, but mainly it gives you the realisation that pretty much all the time, anything running on the machine is only a few missteps from hurling the entire thing into a hellish loop of reboots.

With that said, I think your "it should never crash" statement to be optimistic, to say the least. I'm not trying to excuse MS from anything they do incorrectly - but the immense scale and difficulty of a stable (let alone perfect) OS is something to be marveled at, whether Linux, Windows, OS X etc.


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Quote: "directly manipulating pointers"

Hehe, My dad taught me advanced pointer manipulation about 3 months ago. Its very useful stuff!

Quote: "With that said, I think your "it should never crash" statement to be optimisti"

I agree. It should not crash that oftern. And i should not have to reinstall an os more than every time i do a major upgrade.

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With SP1? Cuz you can't judge windows vista using an outdated version.

Anyway, if you do have SP1, then I agree, you suck and I'm awesome!

(also, that sucks)

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Quote: "But anyway. I think Windows is a pretty good OS, despite it's faults. I have Ubuntu installed on another HDD, even though it is faster, it doesn't do exactly what is says on the tin. It takes a Computer Science degree to install anything, Videos don't play properly, Firefox doesn't render pages correctly, I can't use Dual monitors nor can I play any of the games I own."


Would just like to point out that I have not experienced the same kind of problems as you at all. Not saying it is perfect (XP and Vista are not perfect either), but installing a program has always been easy for me, I just use the package manager, videos has been quite easy to fix and firefox works fine. Infact, I vastly prefer Ubuntu over Windows for several reasons, like how much freedom I have in it or how much more I like the UI (well, do not like the two panels, use to take that down to one panel at the bottom, but that is the thing, I have the freedom to do that, cannot say the same thing about Windows). Know others prefer Windows for other reasons, but Ubuntu is not a broke OS, or hard to use.

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Quote: "Would just like to point out that I have not experienced the same kind of problems as you at all. Not saying it is perfect (XP and Vista are not perfect either), but installing a program has always been easy for me, I just use the package manager, videos has been quite easy to fix and firefox works fine. Infact, I vastly prefer Ubuntu over Windows for several reasons, like how much freedom I have in it or how much more I like the UI (well, do not like the two panels, use to take that down to one panel at the bottom, but that is the thing, I have the freedom to do that, cannot say the same thing about Windows). Know others prefer Windows for other reasons, but Ubuntu is not a broke OS, or hard to use."

Thank you! At least im not the ONLY one!

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Thank God Linux is briliant, and always works with my wireless adapter.

I´ve used Windows all my life, and I´ve only had to reinstall it three times. Once I had a faulty video card and it wasn´t a software problem after all, once I screwed it up myself because heck, did I know that Registry Cleaner program took out crucial things as well and once because I wanted to clean my PC. That´s of course, not counting work.

Oh and, by the way, first thing you do if you install Windows: Anti-Virus. And you obviously know stuff about the inner workings of the computer, since Vista is run on DOS uh NT uh ah [expletive] it it doesn't matter it looks the same to me.

Bummer, BiggAdd, I'll have to cancel the zeppelin too.


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Quote: "Oh and, by the way, first thing you do if you install Windows: Anti-Virus. And you obviously know stuff about the inner workings of the computer, since Vista is run on DOS uh NT uh ah [expletive] it it doesn't matter it looks the same to me."


Meh. I haven't run an a/v in vista in over a year. Still virus free

I do keep uac on, use windows dendender, and clam av (non-active scanner) to scan sketchy files, and run spybot every once in a while, but that's as far as I go.

I refuse to run an active a/v because of how awful it's effects are on computer operation. And being that I haven't had a virus in many years, I'm not concerned

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I think many people here that actually like Linux may argue against you because you are a bit aggressive in your arguments . When trying to get a point across it is important to keep your head cool, if you become angry or upset in your way to write people will notice that, and not your arguments.

Just something to think about .

Quote: "Meh. I haven't run an a/v in vista in over a year. Still virus free"


You know, most of the malware out there is not something you actually notice. Ran a Spybot search today, and I ended up with 19 problems... and I am so fanatic I even scan files after I download them with the AV before I use them, I do not click on everything that comes up, and try to be just smart. Was quite annoying, I must get even more careful then I am.

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Exactly when did i say i thought it was? All i said was that stuff seems to run the same on 98 as it does on xp. I never even mentioned vista. Moron.

Quote: "Oh and, by the way, first thing you do if you install Windows: Anti-Virus"

Yet another thing not needed on a linux system

Quote: "I think many people here that actually like Linux may argue against you because you are a bit aggressive in your arguments . When trying to get a point across it is important to keep your head cool, if you become angry or upset in your way to write people will notice that, and not your arguments."

Indeed. The thing is tho, I usualy say things like "Oh halo is rubbish in my opition", Or "Windows is rubish in my opinion" and while maybe i should not, I dont actualy plan on getting agressive in any way until someone turns around and basicly says "Oh ur wrong" or "I have a feeling this is going to turn into a flame thread". How can i be wrong? Its an opinion ffs!

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How did this thread become a OS debate?

Well I guess I will just continue to read on about endless crashing on Windows and the horrors of non-Linux operating systems as I sit happily in Vista mapping with 3D World Studio

Quote: "I refuse to run an active a/v because of how awful it's effects are on computer operation. And being that I haven't had a virus in many years, I'm not concerned"


Without an a/v you may not even realize you have a virus - or, more likely perhaps, spyware. But if it is performance you are concerned about I recommend OneCare, I haven't had ANY problems with it as it is very nice about running in the background and not interrupting important tasks.

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Sounds cool, But not exactly what i would class as intensive system use.

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ha, this thread is making me laugh.
I'll reply tomorrow when i'm sober and not on the iPod...

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I'm quite aware of the risks, and I'm sure some Nigerian's reading this as I type it But in 2 years that I ran an A/V I had no viruses and boatloads of lockup. I got sick of it.

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That's clearly because Linux is not a primary target for hackers. A default install of Linux, depending on the distribution, can easily install dozens of apps that will render the entire system insecure. Many times you have to manually disable them but as we all know, even Linux systems can be hacked given the right situation and an incompetent admin


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Reed, does it make your life any better if you keep on arguing? Just go down somewhere and drink some coffee, relax.


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General Reed, I slapped you for staring out all your swear words... You can put your point across without the need for swearing...

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In this case I would suggest you have a very messed up install.

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About that, how should nuclear waste be disposed of?

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Any system can get hacked, it is just a question of how easy it is for the hackers to do so. Linux in itself can be quite hard to hack, then there are those that create dists without knowing anything about security, or the admins that do not know much about it either.

Reminds me of a story I once heard. There was this company, or I think it was a bank, that hired a hacker to hack their computer system, to see how easy or hard it was. The hacker prepared himself for about 3 weeks, got the right tools and prepared for hours of hacking to break the system. But when he went in he discovered the security was so bad he broke it in the matter of minutes, and by then I think he had full admin control (think it was something about it using the "http" protocol, which is very bad from a security point of view).

Basically, the biggest threat to security are us humans, especially when we do not know what we are doing.

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See? I told you the cake was a lie.
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Yes, But only if you were constantly in root. And tbh you would have to be an absolute twassak to stay in root on a Linux system, Since its like half the security. Hah, Yet another thing, users in linux MATTER. So yes, Linux obviously can be hacked, But only if the user is constantly in root! Which is the most stupid thing ive ever heard.

Quote: "General Reed, I slapped you for staring out all your swear words... You can put your point across without the need for swearing..."

Oh dear, Whatever shall i do. Grow up, Everyone swears, stop acting like its a crime.

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Personally, i think you should grow up. If you think swearing is a good way to get your point across then you have a lot of maturing to go through...

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Oh really? Good for you, i don't care. Personally i think its sad how some people "protect" others from real life. Like insanely strict parents who say they are protecting their children from swearing, When their children are just going to be even more afraid when they get into the real world. Everyone swears, end of story. Get used to it.

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Maybe you should grow up and learn to follow rules. Maybe this will enable you to use Windows in a non-abusive manner.

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