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Posted: 30th Apr 2009 16:31 Edited at: 30th Apr 2009 16:39
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Now that is going a bit far. The iraq war has effected so many people that it would be quite traumatic to see a game based on it.
I heard someone made a game based on 9/11, you can't make a game based on something THAT present in people's minds and that would cause them to relive horrifying events.

Quote: "Konami is known for other war games such as the popular "Metal Gear Solid" series, as well as "Dance Dance Revolution," in which players dance on a mat in synch with music."

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If making a game of the Iraq war is wrong, then are films and documentaries about the Iraq war also wrong? Because such films have been made.

I admit, I was at first worried that the developers might dumb it down to the extent of most action shooter war games, in which you're the god-given good guys and the enemy are faceless, cardboard cutout terrorists. But that goes for any film or book or documentary about the Iraq war, as well: if it is treated childishly in any medium then it would be travesty.

Simply because it is in a game instead of a film makes very little difference, in my opinion - plus, putting the player actually in the war would highlight the dilemnas, the danger and the emotions of being a soldier in such a conflict (if done well). I'll admit it's fresh in people's minds, but I can remember switching onto the history channel a few years ago and seeing a show about the Iraq war. If it's now "history" (ie. part of what made the world what it is now) then maybe we should grapple with it and use art (video games counting as art) to come to terms with it.

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It depends. My view is if it trivialises the war then that's not good, and a game is likely to do that. If it's a documentary educating you about the war then that's fine, but if a film/game rode on the back of a tragedy/war, using it for their own agenda then that's bad.
its quite hard to draw the line.
I played Band of Brothers: Hells Highway and it was very well done and as far as I know based on real events. That game was very good and didn't hint at "hang on is this a bit too much".
but if a similar game was made about Iraq I would probably feel differently, I guess time makes you less sensitive to it and of course most of us weren't even born during WWII.

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I wasn't saying that all games are good, I was saying that not all games are bad. There is a line to be drawn but politicians have to do their research to make sure they draw it in the right place.

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Quote: "The politicians know that the majority of voters are ignorant about games."


Likewise, game developers and the whole video game playing populous of the United States know that these politicians are ignorant and are simply trying to calm the alarmism caused by soccer moms nation wide.

Please Obese, what you say has no credible evidence linked to it. Like I said before, like we've all said before, it's how you are brought and raised, and disciplined by your parents. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Same thing. I play violent video games. I don't kill people. Another person plays video games and kills people. What is the difference??? The game?? No, it's the person. HOW DOES THAT NOT MAKE SENSE?

In any other experiment other than video game violence, the evidence would show that their isn't a link and that it's just how the person was raised by their parents. But since the experiment is on video game violence, and there is pressure by the parents who won't take responsibility for their children, laws will continued to be passed in order to cover up the real issue: Parenting.

And that's it. Period.

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Posted: 30th Apr 2009 22:40 Edited at: 30th Apr 2009 22:47
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Quote: ""WARNING: Excessive exposure to violent video games and other violent media has been linked to aggressive behavior.""


The sad thing is about this statement is that it is the truth. But I don't see how putting a label on it is going to help any.

Games now days are getting very violent, And I do think a lot of people do try to act out their fantasies after playing these games.

But really, As far as I am concerned I think most act this way because of poor parental guidance.
I have watched horror movies my whole life and love them. I play GTA all the time and love just going around and causing s***. But I have always had a good mother who taught us a we grew up that things like horror movies were not real and that they are just played out to make a movie that people can watch and nobody gets hurt. Back then we did'nt have these type of games. In fact the first system we had was an atari when it first was released. before that we had to go to the arcade if we wanted to play a video game.

But media sources will always have some type of effect on certain people if they are not guided properly.

to just put labels on a game though? that is ridiculous. If they don't want the younger people playing these games and becoming influenced by them, then perhaps they need to put a tighter grip on their games and stop selling it to children. But that will never happen so maybe they should just stop complaining about it. And start Actually doing something real about it.

(Edit) Sid and I see it the same way It comes down to Parenting and how the kids are raised.
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Quote: "The sad thing is about this statement is that it is the truth. But I don't see how putting a label on it is going to help any."

Again, there's no evidence to support a direct link between video games and violent or aggressive behavior. For every study that makes that connection, there are three studies saying otherwise. The vast majority of information gathered from studies on the topic claim the exact opposite.

We're all taking pot shots at politicians, myself included, but the media is playing a pretty significant role in this debate as well. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but the media are treating video games like an evil entity, and aren't providing a non-bias platform of debate. Why? Because video games are eating away at their ratings. The Daily Show generation, in the 18 to 40 age bracket (roughly), are made up largely of gamers now, and that bracket aren't watching the news as much as they had in previous generations. Of course, I think it's a bit silly, it's not like we'd watch the news anyway, lol. Hence the "Daily Show" title .

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OK I will reword this then, All media is garbage. No Matter what you watch or listen too or even read. You see violence in everything that we people do. You can defend the video game market until your blue. But it in FACT does promote violence, But so does the movie industries, the internet, writers and their horror books, and even your own peers.

If a news station is documenting something good and nice and right next to them a fight breaks out. what do you think that camera is going to be pointing at, the nice little story with a happy ending or the fight that is going on right next to them? I bet I know what will be filmed. People in a general sense are morbid and very sick because they want that violence. That is why programs like the UFC challenge, wrestling and things like this get such high ratings. It's because that is what they want to see. But yes, I don't care what anyone says about video games, and the Media in general. They all promote a very high degree of violence and are responsible in part for the violence that you see today.

No evidence? the evidence is all around us. you just have to open your eyes to see it. If extremists did'nt have any ties to the media, do you think there would be as many problems with them as there is? No it is not entirely dues to video game violence but in the media period.

That is why it is up to the parents to properly raise and guide their children.
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Quote: "But it in FACT does promote violence, But so does the movie industries, the internet, writers and their horror books, and even your own peers."

But again, there's nothing whatsoever to support this theory. In saying that you're making a point that violence didn't exist prior to modern media, and we all know how false that is. Humans were smashing each other over the head as soon as we worked out what rocks were. I'm pretty sure Hannibal, Hitler, and Ghengis Khan didn't play video games.

And you can't rightly limit it to modern media anyway. Dante's Divine Comedy was violent, and certainly wasn't a horror story. Well, some say it was the first horror story, so, bad example lol. How about the Odyssey? Jason and the Argonauts? The Bible? These all contain mass quantities of violence, depicted quite gruesomely, even in our day. Should we protest and/ or ban these works as well? I smell a "no" coming on.

Quote: "They all promote a very high degree of violence and are responsible in part for the violence that you see today."

But, as was illustrated earlier in the thread, the violent crime rate has decreased since 1991, during the era when violent games have entered their prime. If anything, statistics show that video games have reduced violent crimes, and these aren't stats that are doctored to suit the media, they come from police departments and governments. You genuinely can't support the theory that violent media bolsters aggressive behavior in any way.

Society needs a scapegoat, and the news media needs to compete with people playing games in their free time, and so video games are made out to be far more villainous than they actually are. If a parent allows their child to play a game made for adults, and that kid has serious mental issues, we attack games and not parents? And what do you say about all those kids who aren't allowed to play video games, but turn out to be violent anyway?

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Well you can't directly say the statistics directly say that video games have decreased violent crime, but you could probably use it to help argue the case with any other kinds of evidence.

There's nothing to prove that video games cause violence - as much as studies that say violent video games are a good thing can be criticised for how they're conducted (whether or not the results are valid or can be generalised) and the exact same thing can be applied to the studies that say violent video game a bad thing. Other than media and government speculation and people who like to blame video games for their own actions, there's nothing to suggest video games are the problem. I'd say there's more to support the idea that violent video games aren't causing problems. For a start, crime wouldn't have gone down (and the media seem to speculate that crime is going up because of video games...or so somebody else's post seemed to suggest...though there is the Fox news discussion on the sexual scenes of Mass Effect, but that's a different issue and one Fox ill researched).

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Actually there is nothing modern about the media at all and I don't only speak for the modern, Books are a form of media, the bible is a form of media and look at how many wars and people have been put to death over it and still being killed to this day over it. I have no love for religion at all because of it. I would spit on a bible before I swear on it. Religion is the biggest media of all. Are you going to say there's no evidence that religion is a cause of violence?

You may not be able to direct the violence at any one thing but it does all tie together in the end. And to just ban everything, It will never happen I can agree with that.

I agree that there is really no use of labeling a video game but i also would agree that young kids really should not be playing them either. but they do
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That label won't prevent parents from buying violent games for their kids any more than the ESRB/ PEGI ratings do currently. Competent parents (competent enough to raise a child, that is) would understand the ratings system at first glance, and deploy common sense and logic in selecting what they buy for their kids. And that's why I'm so against this warning label. It isn't going to help anyone, it's going to cost developers money unnecessarily, and it isn't going to reduce the amount of violence we see in games by any degree.

I swear, if this bill is signed into law, I'm going to make the most gruesome, abusive, adult-rated game the world has ever seen. If such a label is going to be slapped on a game I make, I may as well make the best of it . I'll keep adding gore and violence until the game is so gruesome it makes me throw up. And then I'll release it as freeware, just to bait and annoy bad parents. I've talked about making a game like that, filled to the brim with violence, drugs, sex, and rock and roll, but Agent Dink talked me down from that ledge, lol.

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By adding the disclaimer the sales of violent video games will sky rocket
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Quote: "I swear, if this bill is signed into law, I'm going to make the most gruesome, abusive, adult-rated game the world has ever seen. If such a label is going to be slapped on a game I make, I may as well make the best of it . I'll keep adding gore and violence until the game is so gruesome it makes me throw up. And then I'll release it as freeware, just to bait and annoy bad parents."


Now you just go ahead and do that, I'll be the first to download it too. In fact i'd probably want to join in and help create it.

I to am guilty of allowing my kids to play violent games because I play them all the time. But as stated I believe it is up to us parents to guild them properly. It is really stupid add labels and chenak is probably right, it would skyrocket sales. It certainly would not stop me from buying my kids them. They see the violence on tv anyway.

although I have to admit young children should not watch or play these type of games atleast until they are old enough for them to actually understand that what they see in these games are not real.

I made a big mistake when my daughter was 5 yrs of age. At the time resident evil two had just come out and I bought it. I have never played the first one prior to this, Anyway I was playing it and my daughter had walked into the room, At first I tried to kick her out but then after some fussing I decided to let her watch it while I played it. All was great the first day and all, My daughter actually liked the game, she referred to it a the pow game. Anyway that all turned around very fast, I had come up to the part where leon walks into a tunnel and at the end was a garbage room filled to the waist with water. That damn crocidile jumped out at me and my daughter freaked. She just got out of the night light habit not to long ago I felt so bad.
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Quote: "That damn crocidile jumped out at me and my daughter freaked. She just got out of the night light habit not to long ago "


But that's not really going to make her want to go out and kill someone. That just scared her.

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Quote: "But that's not really going to make her want to go out and kill someone. That just scared her."


Yeah it just scared her but it shows that kids can be influenced and confuse them between what is real and what is not, and pretty much the same as what is right and what is wrong.
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In a week or so I'm getting the Orange Box, yet I'm not even old enough to watch an R rated movie. It's not a case of bad parenting or anything I've just been playing violent bloody games since I was 3 or so. Also, almost every post has made me laugh. Especially the one with the guy with RE2 and the crocodile and his daughter.

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Regardless of whether you want to believe it or not, someone else has no right to tell me that I shouldn't be able to play a violent videogame in the privacy of my home. There are many typed of legal media that I personally disagree with, but for me to tell someone else that it's immoral or "wrong" to enjoy it is crossing the line.

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I'm a very moral person and I have NEVER hurt someone (exept one I shot my neighbor with an airsoft gun) with my fists or feet or head, yet if I see ANYONE in Half-Life I just have to gib them. The worst I've ever done is steel a lego piece from someones house.

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Guys, look YOU WONT KILL SOMEBODY> but think where it leads.
Your children see that you think its fine to blow heads off on a video game. So they dont see the connection quite as clearly between video games and real life while they are still very young.
But i mean the kids will get less and less of a care for human life as the generaions go on (i'm sure in a hundred years they'll have games out that would make anyone here absolutely vomit, that your great great great grandkids will have absolutely no problems with ( i can imagine futture games of raping 8 yr olds, sawing heads off of 8 yr olds, and so on.
Trust me, video games will make future generations a bloodthirsty wicked people.
I will be glad im dead when those days come.
Oh, and about fpsc, you can completely remove the gore (which i of course have done) and plus, it isnt near as bad as most of the AWFUL video games i have seen

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Quote: "Your children see that you think its fine to blow heads off on a video game. So they dont see the connection quite as clearly between video games and real life while they are still very young."

What you forget, though, is that some of us came of age when violent video games were just starting to hit their prime. I'm 29 now. When I was a kid, games like Mortal Kombat and Doom were all the rave, and the FPS genre was born. They were the new cool things to play, and my older brother played them, so naturally I wanted to play them as well. I was a kid, and very, very capable of telling the difference between the real world and the virtual game worlds that my SNES took me into.

I have a young cousin who played GTA when he was rediculously young... younger than I would allow my own child to play that game, if I had a kid anyway. But he turned out perfectly fine, does great in school, has loads of friends, and has perfect manners to boot (better than I did at his age, lol). Violent video games didn't corrupt him in any way, shape, or form. But it owes something to stand-up parenting and learning the difference between right and wrong at an early age.

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Quote: "i can imagine futture games of raping 8 yr olds, sawing heads off of 8 yr olds, and so on."


I hardly think so, not where I live anyway, I'm sure there is a point where game industries would draw the line, And if they did'nt the law would, and to even think something like that is just plain sick in itself. Grow up!
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You crack me up man.

We are indeed the lone warriors, fighting for good. Don't worry though, we turned off the blood.

EDIT: oops, didn't see the last page.

Quote: "Regardless of whether you want to believe it or not, someone else has no right to tell me that I shouldn't be able to play a violent videogame in the privacy of my home. There are many typed of legal media that I personally disagree with, but for me to tell someone else that it's immoral or "wrong" to enjoy it is crossing the line."


I wasn't just telling everyone what not to play, I was expressing my disbelief of their reasoning. I remember when I was younger I thought similarily, that games like these can help you relax and calm down when angry or simply when wanting violence (just thought I'd throw this out to be fair), although now I think far otherwise. But I don't think I would have ever said that they can offer you "your fill of violence", or whatever was said eariler, and even if I did, my point is it was years ago when I was younger. Why I can't believe what I'm hearing is that you all agree with what I used to think when younger. We should all be mature enough to realize that you can't "get your fill of violence" by playing games instead of killing someone.

Could you name some of this media you are against?

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On a similar subject I just found out that you can't buy Mein Kampf in the UK because its banned. Another example of government patronisation. Oh we can't let you read that because you'd start killing jews and grow a silly little tash obviously.

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Quote: "Please Obese, what you say has no credible evidence linked to it. Like I said before, like we've all said before, it's how you are brought and raised, and disciplined by your parents. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Same thing. I play violent video games. I don't kill people. Another person plays video games and kills people. What is the difference??? The game?? No, it's the person. HOW DOES THAT NOT MAKE SENSE?"

I don't understand? You just agreed with me.
Was I not sarcastic enough? Or are you talking about the Iraq thing?

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Quote: "We are indeed the lone warriors, fighting for good. Don't worry though, we turned off the blood."


Yes, your line in the sand is the correct one. Lets just ignore the fact there is another line just up the beach with another group of people making the exact same argument.

Quote: "We are indeed the lone warriors, fighting for good. Don't worry though, we won't play games with killing."


Of course the people at this line are saying the same things about you as you say about people who play games with blood.

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Then it is obvious that your nephew was too young for the game and should'nt have been playing it. Or your sister should have been sitting with him and explaining to him as I always did with my children that what they see is not real, that what they do in a game should never be done in real life.

When I was kid, Every Saturday around noon all the good old programs would start which was the saturday horror fest and after was the kung fu programs. My brothers and I used to get right into those programs, but we never went about kicking the crap out of anyone. We were very young when we used to stay up till midnight to watch the three stooges. we never went around smacking each other and poking each other in the eyes.

Sorry, but you can't blame the game for the child's ignorance.

I blamed myself for scaring the crap out of my kid, not the game.
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Quote: "If you take away the game neither the other person nor you will kill people. It's not the person. It's the game."


How could you possibly know that? People have been killing long before computer games and unfortunately people will continue to kill, with or without computer games.
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Wow this topic is getting so redundant. Everyone is repeating the same thing over and over. If you don't like violent games don't play em. If you do go right ahead.

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Posted: 1st May 2009 17:54 Edited at: 1st May 2009 17:55
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Quote: "Your children see that you think its fine to blow heads off on a video game."


Your entire argument falls apart there, because it's up to the parents to not show the game to their children if it's violent. I have friends at work who ask me (as I'm the "game" guy) which non-violent games to buy their kids for their Wii. You see, that is considered responsible parenting by most. Just buying your kid any game under the sun is just as unhealthy for some kids as letting them watch anything they want on TV.

And when I have kids I will raise them how I want, and you can do the same. Since I'm an adult with no kids, and I have a private residence where I enjoy my free time, I should be allowed to play a WW2 game and shoot off a Japanese soldier's legs if I feel like it!

Quote: "Could you name some of this media you are against?"


Sure. I'm against child pornography, as it is creating a victim for entertainment purposes. Creating violent video games is a victimless career (aside from the long overtime causing divorce!).

Quote: "We should all be mature enough to realize that you can't "get your fill of violence" by playing games instead of killing someone."


We should be mature enough to decide for ourselves whether to watch a violent gangster movie or play GTA 4, as well as whether we can handle it (assuming we're of legal age).

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This is an intresting chart about school violence


http://youthviolence.edschool.virginia.edu/violence-in-schools/national-statistics.html


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Posted: 1st May 2009 19:15 Edited at: 1st May 2009 19:16
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Those are some interesting statistics and pretty much follow the trend of the statistics I posted on US crime (violent crime and total crime).

Perhaps the media should jump on these and think twice before going 'violent video games cause violence in kids', in the period violent or even gory video games have been around crime has decreased, violent crime has decreased and violent crime in kids/teenagers has decreased. It'd be a bit far to suggest that video games are the reason (because statistics though can provide a correlation, they cannot say the reasons for decrease...hence pastafarians like to claim that swash-buckling pirates reduce global warming). But I can at least pitch it to people that video game violence is not turning kids into violent gits.

I don't think that the statistics should be ignored. Kids and people in general are getting LESS violent and committing fewer crimes. Claiming video games are causing MORE violence is a difficult leg to stand on, after all we don't have strong evidence to suggest this.

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Posted: 1st May 2009 21:44 Edited at: 1st May 2009 21:46
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Quote: "If you take away the game neither the other person nor you will kill people. It's not the person. It's the game"

Ah yes, because Pol Pot was such a hardcore gamer . Khmer Rouge was littered with game consoles.

Quote: "What if I tell you she's already done all that including the counsellor rounds. And the counsellor puts the blame squarely on the game"

Then very clearly, you need to seek a second opinion, because this child is obviously mentally disturbed. My sister studied psychology in college as a part of her early child development major, and I just called her to ask what she would recommend, lol. She said yes, you'd take the game away, but you'd also examine his home life and psychosis. This is NOT normal child behavior. The game didn't cause that, some serious trauma did, that or your sister (and don't take offense to this) is doing a very poor job as a parent. My family is jam-packed with teachers so I have quite a few resources in this department.

Quote: "Creating violent video games is a victimless career"

Amen to that. I've made violent games and will continue to make them, and I never have a conflict of conscious when working on them, because I know that I'm making games for adults, and any violent games I make are clearly promoted that way.

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It's also around the time when video games started to get more and more violent, I also said that statistics do not say whether or not games are the cause, but rather that crime is decreasing and has been from since about 1991. I'm not saying that games have decreased it (that would require a different set of data) but it shows that games haven't shot crime up, as crime hasn't shot up.


Common sense how can be a very subjective argument and well...if you can only use common sense to argue this argument, then there's not enough to suggest that violent video games cause children or even people in general to be more violent. On the basis that studies and statistics are irrelevant to the topic and the only 'common sense' must be used to argue two sides of an argument, then this law should not be passed.

So to say, the accusors have not got enough evidence to suggest that video games are turning our kids into criminals.

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Quote: "Hmmm... Did I hear someone say that both brothers were mentallly disturbed?
Simulatneous Sibling Disturbance Syndrome."

They're siblings: they were raised in the same environment. Sounds like they were frustrated with life and turned to the game as a role model. If there had been no game, they would have done something else, like setting a cat on fire or something.

Quote: "The two shooters told investigators they had been inspired by Grand Theft Auto III"

Though they may well have been inspired by the game, they could just as easily have been inspired by gangster movies or TV shows: the game just happened to be the thing which they were more absorbed in and therefore took more inspiration from. There is no reason to think the game was the cause: it is perfectly possible to argue that the cause was their mental state and poor home conditions, and the game was merely peripheral.

Quote: "In December 2007, a Russian man was beaten to death over an argument in the MMORPG Lineage II. The man was killed when his guild and a rival guild challenged each other to a brawl in the real world."

This is just gang/tribal warfare. It's not like this kind of thing hasn't happened before. Yes, it was a tragic case, but bad things can and will happen occasionally.

Quote: "While defense attorneys argued that Petric was influenced by video game addiction, the court fully dismissed these claims."

Doesn't that... you know... suggest something to you?

You're using a lot of anecdotal evidence: an odd story here and there. Anecdotal evidence proves very little. For example: moustaches make people evil! Hitler had a moustache and he was evil! Stalin had a moustache and he was evil! Therefore, moustaches make people evil!

If you were to do a large-scale study of people with moustaches, however, you would find no correlation between moustaches and evilness.

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Being inspired by GTAIII could well be like saying; I was inspired by Jack the Ripper, inspiring something and causing something are 2 different things. Inspiration can come from anywhere.

Or should we take Jack the Ripper off of the History syllabus? And any part of History that's violent? Eric Cartman on South Park was inspired by Adolf Hitler, so is it possible for an actual child to be intrigued by genocide and the holocaust so much that it leaves to spurt hatred for the Jewish? Well, we best remove the kind inspiration, so we need to take the joke 'don't mention the war' seriously.

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I give up. You ALL win, I lose.
I think that needs two more smileys.

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Actually I was on an undercover mission on behalf of a recruitment agency that was looking for hard core game developers for this big game company. By using reverse psychology I was able to discern who among you would qualify for the job. I have short-listed a few candidates and will get back to you at the earliest.

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