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Gil Galvanti
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Posted: 19th Jan 2010 22:43 Edited at: 19th Jan 2010 22:48
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Quote: "For anyone interested in a military career, I strongly recommend band of brothers, it portrays army life perfectly."

Band of Brothers is an amazing series, one of my very favorites. I love the almost documentary feel to it. It really shows the mental and physical terror of war very well without trying to make anyone out to be a hero.

EDIT: Oops didn't see second page, so my post is a bit outdated, oh well. And my ideal dream would be to own my own game development company one day, get married, have a family, and have a decent amount of money (not filthy rich but enough to not have it be a concern).


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Seppuku Arts
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Posted: 19th Jan 2010 23:14 Edited at: 19th Jan 2010 23:14
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Quote: "Aren't you buddhist Sep? I know that's not technically religious but I'd say that has a pretty big (positive) influence."


But my parents aren't. (I tend to label myself atheist Buddhist, rather than just Buddhist for reasons I will not explain here) I'm not sure if it'd effect any marriage (if we're looking that far ahead), at least it didn't stop Tiger Woods from doing anything stupid in his marriage, , I think GJ has probably said it right - it's not your beliefs or religion that keeps you as a couple together (at least it shouldn't, although it might effect who you are as a person), it's love and a person's dedication to keep the marriage alive.

And it doesn't always last, or you might mistake infatuation for love and hastily marry and people feel that they can't make it work. Though my opinion of love isn't that giggly feeling you get when together, that's infatuation, love is what'll see you through the rocky parts of your relationship. It sounds pretty corny, but when isn't it corny to be talking about 'love'? Although that is by observation and not experience.

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You can't just get up one day and say "I'm going to go find myself a wife to love for the rest of my life". It is quite possible to get up one day and say "I'm going to go find myself a hot girl to sleep with" but that's not love, it's merely lust. This is how, in my experience, love works in real life:

You meet someone, get to know her over several years, and gradually come realize that you love her. After that, you can start to consider marriage, but only if you're old enough. I firmly believe that people are incapable of recognizing love until at least their mid to late 20s, and for some even later.

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Quote: "get to know her over several years, and gradually come realize that you love her."

Or him

Quote: "After that, you can start to consider marriage, but only if you're old enough."

Personally I think marriage is incredibly trivial compared to love. It seems to me like love is a bond between people, and marriage is just to certify it.

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Posted: 20th Jan 2010 00:16
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Quote: "You can't just get up one day and say "I'm going to go find myself a wife to love for the rest of my life". It is quite possible to get up one day and say "I'm going to go find myself a hot girl to sleep with" but that's not love, it's merely lust. This is how, in my experience, love works in real life:"


Well, no you don't. You can't know if you love someone without first knowing them.

Marriage is, as INH says, a certification, but also perhaps a symbol of bondage and commitment. Though, the real commitment is your dedication to stay together. Because you declare such a commitment, you will obviously need to know each other people and know if your feelings are right and to know that you're right for each other. At least that's how I understand it, again, observation not experience.

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Quote: "I think the reason's religious in your case, GJ, given your apparent strong knowledge of the Bible... though I cannot be certain and I am generalizing."


My parents have been together 20 years, we are all atheist.

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Posted: 20th Jan 2010 01:15 Edited at: 20th Jan 2010 01:17
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Quote: "My parents have been together 20 years, we are all atheist."


Then you get tax benefits. Marriage is not always a religious thing. Every religion has s form of marriage, and athiesm is no different.
Athiesm might as well be a relgion now, thier no proof ethier way and people follow set morals ect ect/ Yeah im playing nice.

No matter your personal belifes, everyone has the right to get married in any case.


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Quote: "Well, no you don't. You can't know if you love someone without first knowing them. "


Well, yeah. That's exactly my point. Hence my usage of a colon ":" to lead into the second paragraph of the post.

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Posted: 20th Jan 2010 03:13 Edited at: 20th Jan 2010 03:16
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Quote: "Athiesm might as well be a relgion now, thier no proof ethier way and people follow set morals ect ect/ Yeah im playing nice. "


I think maybe you're a little misinformed on this, I'll avoid anything in depth, because the AUP has had too much graffiti recently, but I'll get some terms for you, just for your understanding and well, making that claim will likely lead into a disagreement with the more outspoken members of the atheist community.

theism: belief in one or more deities. Theism is not a religion
atheism: the disbelief in any deities. Atheism is not a religion
Christianity: A religion based around the teachings of Jesus Christ. Christianity is a theistic religion.
Buddhism: A religion or philosophy (dependent on your approach) based around the teachings of Buddha. Buddhism can be theistic or atheistic.

You can be a theist without being religious, just as you can be an atheist without being religious.

You can check the facts out for yourself too - look up atheism and theism in the dictionary (Merriam Webster is usually a good online source) and look up 'irreligion' on Wikipedia, it mentions non-religious theism. If you look up atheism on Wikipedia, it mentions Buddhism.

I hope that clears things up a bit.

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Posted: 20th Jan 2010 03:59
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Well, if that's your cup of tea, then yeah, whatever. None of my business.

I believe that human beings are incapable of truly understanding the truth of the universe. All we know for sure is that we do not know for sure, and anything else is speculation based on what little evidence we have gained through our five senses. There are countless theories that try to explain how the universe works (religions), but there's no way to prove or disprove any of them. All we can do live our lives and try to understand the universe as best we can with what evidence we have around us, whichever religion's theory of the universe we each believe to be the most accurate.

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I have to say this is the first female i've seen on this website...
My, this thread is growing... Anyway I'd like to appoligize for any insults I may have thrown out there because I get fired up when it's about military. Anyway I think you guys kinda have a bad idea about the actual soldiers. Soldiers know that they have to do it, and they are willing to give up themselves pretty much when they join the military (normally/hopefully) for the good of their country or world, and that it's more like the country that is to blame. I know that most wars are rather stupid; I can't even remember why we had a war in Iraq.

I still think that you guys don't understand why I want to join. I guess it's not that I would like to be a big hero (specificly to the feminine side of the world) I mean that would be nice, but more of a hero to myself, knowing what I'm doing is good for the world (not neccasarily for my country) and feeling that I am doing something good for it.

Quote: "why SOF and why not another role in the military?"


umm, I want to join it because (this is childish) I want to be in the middle of the action. I know that the risks are pretty high if you don't know what your doing you'll probably get shot, but I just think that SF is for me. Also after answering the next quote: Special Forces is pretty much the elite physically, emotionally, mentally, morally, and pretty much any other way (at least the part I want to be in) and I want to be trained that way.

Quote: "Whats your physical fitness level like right now? I considered SERE training once. When I took the asvab, the sergeant basically asked what I was even doing there. I guess people with my scores typically know better than to be human shields.
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Lol about the SERE course stuff. That stuff is intense.
Mmmm. I would say that if I took the APFT I would get 115-150 range for the 20 year old test. I can handle most things, and leviating a bit here, I am the type of guy that will brake up a fight just because it's a fight and it's wrong without caring everyone says "why'd you do that? I was betting on "whoever""-and actually I did that just today.

I am really ambitiouse when it comes to this type of stuff, and I think it's good becasue I am becoming who I want to be. I guess to finish it I oculd say i think special forces would "finish" who I want to become. (not the insane blood-driven killers soldiers are drawn out to be sometimes.)


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Just remember that your weapon is made by the lowest bidder

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Posted: 20th Jan 2010 04:36 Edited at: 20th Jan 2010 04:37
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-Graduate from high school with a 4.0 GPA.
-Attend University of Michigan (or Carnegie Mellon if I'm accepted ) and dual-major in Computer Science (or Physics?) and English or History.
-Earn PhD in Computer Science (or Physics?).
-I'll think about what to do here once I've made it this far. Hopefully get a job. And earn money. And get married. And have kids.

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^^wrong way to use that phrase^^ [edit (@ general jackson) ]

Meh, I don't really have a huge interest in getting a 40 hr a week job for the rest of my life. I dunno what I'll end up doing... Just take it step by step i guess

no matter what though, i'll keep learning math, physics, and computer stuff, whether its from a teacher or a dingy library.


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Quote: "wrong way to use that phrase"

I know

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Posted: 20th Jan 2010 04:43 Edited at: 20th Jan 2010 04:45
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TP, if you want to be in the middle of the action, with the risk of life and being shot at, I think the most relevant post in the whole thread by Herakles, because he's spoken of first hand experience. His post is one worthy of consideration.

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> Terrestrial Productions

If you really want to make the world a better place, be a fireman, a doctor, or anything else where you help people as opposed to KILLING them. You don't seem to understand that if you go into the thick of battle, the physical danger to yourself is not the main issue. It is the fact that you will have to kill other people. You will not think of yourself as a hero, you will infact hate yourself for the rest of your life and you may even call yourself a murderer at some point or another. Soldiers are, of course, not murderers, the killing is necessary for self defense and the defense of others. But you still have to live with the ramifications for the rest of your life.

Quote: "(not the insane blood-driven killers soldiers are drawn out to be sometimes.)"


In the training, they literally beat the humanity out of you and make you not care. You're not a bloodthirsty murderer, you're just trained not to think about it. I sustained several long term physical injuries in battle, but none of them were as bad as the mental injury I sustained on account of my superior officers and what they turned me into. I killed other human beings and I didn't care, and that hurts me worse than anything else, now that I'm older and wiser.

So, wait until you're much older. If, by then, you still feel the same way, and are willing to deal with the consequences of what you will become and what you will be forced to do, go ahead and join the military.

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Posted: 20th Jan 2010 06:32 Edited at: 20th Jan 2010 06:34
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Quote: "I am really ambitiouse when it comes to this type of stuff, and I think it's good becasue I am becoming who I want to be."


And that's good. Stuff like that was what I was told when applying, anyone without a sense of aggression and competitiveness in the way they go about doing things will get nowhere, especially in the more competitive roles. There is no room for a big hero anywhere in the military either, it's all about teamwork. Wait until you start doing room clearing drills - that's where you'll begin to realise how much your life depends on the guys you work with.

Also TP, how old are you? (assuming you're old enough to be able to tell us without breaking the AUP)

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Posted: 20th Jan 2010 07:15
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Quote: "it's all about teamwork"


Definatley. One of my closest friends was someone I met in the army. And guess what? I saw him get killed right in front of me.

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Herakles, what war were you supposedly in anyways?

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GJ, the fact that you said 'supposedly' in that sentence disgusts me.

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Posted: 20th Jan 2010 07:49 Edited at: 20th Jan 2010 07:51
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just a note: i didn't read all of the posts here, but most of the first page

my life goal is to join the US Marine Corps. i feel exactly the same way about it as the O/P does about the Green Berets [based on the first post].

my dad doesn't want me to go because he's soft and is afraid of death. most people would think this is understandable, but we are both Christian, so i don't see any rationality in his fear for me. my mother, on the other hand, is only concerned that the Marines will make me mean and cruel, maybe since she got a bad vibe from a former Marine in her childhood once. although she is also still afraid of Big-Rigs on the highway because of a bad experience with a mean driver, too.

as for "thinking it through", i think the decision one comes to on the issue of joining or not is based largely upon their values. i can value service more than my own life, and others may value their own lives and safety over service. on a certain ground, joining the Marines is a really stupid thing to do. But that is not my ground. I once read a MC bumper sticker that read "We don't suffer from insanity... We enjoy every minute of it" and i just thought "i could have written something almost exactly like that on my forehead just for the chuckles and felt proud about it o.O"


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Quote: "very religion has s form of marriage, and athiesm is no different.
Athiesm might as well be a relgion now, thier no proof ethier way and people follow set morals ect ect/ Yeah im playing nice. "


See also: burden of proof.

Is it just me or has their been a LOT of religion stuff slipping through the net recently? Soooo tempted to flame.

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Yes. It's caused upset and friction too. Hence why it shouldn't be discussed. I personally find my opinions of some people have been lowered as a result. I'd rather live in complete ignorance and not think certain people were fools!

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It has. It's an easy area to offend, but it's difficult to bite your tongue when somebody is posting misconceptions, after all, that's where you're going to offend somebody unintentionally. I think it's better to correct somebody on those misconceptions rather than to have them flamed for it.

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Eh, there hasn't been any serious military arguments, more like guiding people into thinking more about why they actually want to join.

Quote: ""We don't suffer from insanity... We enjoy every minute of it"


Love that quote, I should get it on the wall right next to this picture:


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Thats a great picture Veron

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Posted: 20th Jan 2010 19:33 Edited at: 20th Jan 2010 19:38
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Quote: "Is it just me or has their been a LOT of religion stuff slipping through the net recently? Soooo tempted to flame.
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Yes, because too many people (from all sides of the arguments) on here are too immature to keep a civilized discussion on it, so they ruin it for the one's that are mature enough to discuss it without being offended or being offensive (Seppuku comes to mind).


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What usually starts it is when someone says something like:

"My religion is X, and we believe that Y and Z is true and everyone else is wrong. Buuuuuuuuuut it's against the AUP so I won't discuss it anymore, and everyone else keep their mouths shut."

When everyone starts talking like that, it's essentially a religious debate, with everyone thinking they've covered their butt with the last sentence. I'm comfortable with people stating their religion, and maybe why it helps them make a decision. But trashing on or "thumping" your ideals on other people will get you nowhere fast, even in real life


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Truest sentence ever.


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It might get you a fast punch in the face though, so maybe not completely accurate

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yes, since the Hospital is "somewhere", and so is a court room


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Couldn't agree more, you dirty...Oh wait, yes, of course.

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Quote: "very religion has s form of marriage, and athiesm is no different.
Athiesm might as well be a relgion now, thier no proof ethier way and people follow set morals ect ect/ Yeah im playing nice. "


In a nutshell, here is what I think is a justification of atheism:

It makes sense that there was never proof of gods or deities, only assumptions and possibilities. It would follow that all these assumptions could be discarded for lack of experimental *proof*, instead of leaving their facade of an explanation for reality. Instead, the need arises for an unbiased and scientifically rigorous approach to determine the things we seek from religion.

^^statement on my part, not an argument, but I guess I'd understand if my post was edited :\


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You don't need to justify atheism here. I'm sure we can leave people to research it on their own.

But IF you have to, throw out all religious, philosophical and scientific discussion about it, because if you want to justify atheism, there's only one thing you have to do and that's remember that you love me and then every quality about me can be justified. I am the English equivalent of Chuck Norris, you just don't know it yet.

Chuck Norris was but a young man before the world knew who he was, it is only a matter of time my friends. It'll be like King Kong vs Godzilla, only more epic!

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I know and have read all the threads in this forum. I do know what your talking about herakles, and I think that it hasn't changed but I still want to go ahead through it because I know a decent amount of soldiers that have been to war and they are perfetly normal (although I won't disclude the fact that I didn't know them before they went so they might be different). This still is my dream and I like discussing it on this forum because it helps me figure out what I want to do.

I think since I'm *edit-Took out my age because of restrictions told to me below* I can say it, but if I can't (I dont' know what the lowest age i can say is) then could a mod delete this last paragraph?


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^You can't display your age, you're too young.

Having seen your age, I would argue that you're probably too young to actually decide for final what you're going to do (not that it means you won't gone on to do what you want to do, I've wanted to be a writer since I was 6/7 years old). I'd argue that you may change your mind along the way. I don't want to sound insulting, but you are of an immature age, even though you feel as though you are mature...you're only just started, you'll see what I mean when it comes to hindsight.

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Quote: "3.18 - If you are under the age of 13, you may not post your age, post a self image, or self video. Doing so may result in a temporary or full ban."


if this clause:

Quote: "3.17 Our forums are moderated by both TGC employees and trusted non-paid members of the public who volunteer their services and time for the benefit of the community. By using our forums you automatically agree that they cannot be held personally responsible for any actions arising from these forums. You agree that moderators shall, at their discretion, determine what constitutes a violation of theses terms, along with generally accepted nettiqute standards, and can take action against those who voilate these rules."


has come into effect, then the AUP should be changed. Age debates are annoying.


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Seppuku is right, you're far too young to even be thinking about it. Give it another decade or so. If, by then, you still feel the same way, and you fully understand the long term consequences of military life, go right ahead and join.

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Quote: "But trashing on or "thumping" your ideals on other people will get you nowhere fast, even in real life"


That doesn't stop people doing it though.

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Herakles/Sep have echoed what I thought all along - you're way too young to even make the slightest informed decision and like most people, you just want to join for the action because you've seen it in a computer game or some crap, without thinking about the consequences.

Quote: "Mmmm. I would say that if I took the APFT I would get 115-150 range for the 20 year old test."


See, from this comment I assumed you were 19 or 20, but being so young, thinking that you could actually get on a decent par with a 20 year old is just plain stupid and even arrogant. You probably have the amount of muscle that a mouse has at your age.

I don't meant to be condescending or insulting in this post either, but sheesh.

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I might as well add my two pence,

As a kid, i was asked what did I want to be when I grew up, i smiled and said make games! Although I knew i wasn't the brightest in the class and certainly the underdog when it came to maths, but now i'm finally prevailing after many years of hard work .

If I can just get one hit game my dreams will be realized. Then I can make new dreams hehe, like owning a small business, getting a good house etc..


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In the society we live in the military is an alternative to the capitalist way of life in which you work your whole life to buy a house and car.

If you are full time in the military they will give you food and a roof to live under. You probably wont even care to much about pay, just save it up for when you retire. The price you pay though is risking your life and limbs and potentially upsetting your family and friends. However it will give you lots of experience and friends for what I gather.


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I hate to be annoying, but are you... ageist or something? You seem to have a personal vendetta against under-18s and it's starting to get on my nerves; you have to expect that this forum has people under 18 because there is a game creation tool for kids here.

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Quote: "The price you pay though is risking your life and limbs and potentially upsetting your family and friends. However it will give you lots of experience and friends for what I gather."


You risk far more than that, as I've explained earlier in the thread. But yes, you do get lots of experience and friends. The experience isn't always good experience (in fact it can be quite horrific at times), and the friends don't always survive, but you can still find them.

Quote: "I hate to be annoying, but are you... ageist or something? "


He doesn't have anything against kids as far as I can tell. He just thinks that kids, no matter how sure of themselves they feel, don't have a clue what they really want in the long term. And you know something? He's right.

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Oh really, ageist? I first made a comment that I had no idea there were kids as young as 12 on this forum, I never insulted them or said it was a bad thing younger guys were around, I was merely surprised.

Now a kid comes and says he wants to join the military (and not just the military, but an elite spec ops unit) at 13 years old, and says he has the physical strength of a 20 year old. Wonder why i'm making comments like ones I made a few posts above? There are people with real military experience on this forum, i'm pretty sure we know that joining is not a decision you make lightly.

Of course, if you can find other examples where I insult or put down younger kids without a valid reason - please, be my guest and post them here.

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That isn't what I meant, thankyou. I was referring to what seems to be a general stand-offishness towards under-18s. Also, if you're surprised to see people under 12 here, then you obviously have not seen http://t3dgm.thegamecreators.com/

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I hate to be annoying, but are you... ageist or something? You seem to have a personal vendetta against under-18s"


Certainly sounds like the same thing.

Quote: "I was referring to what seems to be a general stand-offishness towards under-18s."


TP is one of the few people who I actually know the age of on these forums. But hey - why don't you show me some of my posts where, in your eyes, i've come across like that?

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Like that. I know it wasn't your intention but that's what it came off asto me.

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