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JoelJ
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Posted: 5th Mar 2011 22:25
I'm surprised that this hasn't been posted yet, but a few days ago Apple announced the iPad 2:

http://www.apple.com/ipad/

It actually looks really awesome. Has a good price, awesome hardware, and of course plenty of awesome apps in the App Store. The new cover is brilliant. Covers the device when not in use, when you uncover it, it auto wakes up. It auto-aligns itself to the iPad when you put it on it (uses magnets) and also can be used to wipe the screen clean and to propt the device up into a typing mode or a viewing mode.

I wasn't a huge fan of the first iPad although I like the tablet idea (I thought the iPad 1 was too underpowered) but with the Dual Core A5 processor, $500 isn't bad. So I'm buying this to develop on

Anyone else looking into the iPad 2?

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Posted: 5th Mar 2011 22:30
I'm honestly leaning towards an Android phone to start off with, just because you really don't need a mac to develop for it. If I were to take the expensive path, I'd probably have to get a fairly decent mac along with the iPad, > $1000. Then again I suppose iPad isn't the only way to go for iOS development.


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Posted: 5th Mar 2011 22:43
So...how about that whole "Flash" thing?

I too enjoy Andorid much more. iOS is a waste of space.

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Posted: 5th Mar 2011 22:46
Quote: "So...how about that whole "Flash" thing?"

yeah? what about it? Flash is the weakest argument for an Android considering I have yet to see anyone happy with it on their phone.
I actually really don't like flash and I don't miss the crappy ads that start talking to me when I browse to a site on my phone.
If you want to argue for Android, I suggest you bring up one of their strong points.

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Posted: 6th Mar 2011 00:15
In my case, I prefer Android a bit more due to it's support for development on a Windows platform, but that's just me. Someone else might be lucky and have a mac of their own to develop for, rendering my view completely invalid. One person might think of a feature of the iOS as redundant, while another might take great use for it. I just wish everyone would stop arguing over the preference of others.


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Posted: 6th Mar 2011 02:10
Quote: "yeah? what about it? Flash is the weakest argument for an Android considering I have yet to see anyone happy with it on their phone.
I actually really don't like flash and I don't miss the crappy ads that start talking to me when I browse to a site on my phone.
If you want to argue for Android, I suggest you bring up one of their strong points."


I smell a strong scent of Apple fanboyism coming from your way...

Anyway, at least Andorid users CAN say they at LEAST have it. Apple doesn't even give you it, so Andorid wins with that one. Not to mention the open nature of Android being that it's Open Source. iOS is good in its own right, for example, like every Apple product that has all looks but no substance: It's pretty. The iOS GUI is very nice looking. That's all it really has. Sure, it's fast, but you're limited on what you can do, and if you don't have the money to afford the iOS Development Kit, you're out of luck for developing software with it.

I think Android is a stronger winner.

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Posted: 6th Mar 2011 02:18 Edited at: 6th Mar 2011 02:18
I smell a strong scent of Android fanboyism coming from your way...

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Posted: 6th Mar 2011 02:23
Quote: "I smell a strong scent of Apple fanboyism coming from your way..."

Quote: "I smell a strong scent of Android fanboyism coming from your way..."

Sigh, apparently what I say here is worthless. Very well, let the flame war begin... Again...


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Posted: 6th Mar 2011 02:25 Edited at: 6th Mar 2011 02:27
I wasn't having a flame war. But if you disagree with Crispex on anything he automatically labels you a fanboy... but worse than that he believes that his opinion on any given subject is more valid than anyone elses...

Both have their pros and cons... buy things for what YOU need...

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Posted: 6th Mar 2011 02:38 Edited at: 6th Mar 2011 02:38
And I don't think "fanboyism" is going to get anybody anywhere... Why not just try a bit of both platforms? Is there anything wrong with having a Windows PC and a Mac? Or an iPad and an Android?

...maybe even being a fan of both Microsoft and Apple? *gasp*


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Posted: 6th Mar 2011 12:45
Apple make it as difficult as they possibly can for indie developers to write software for their products without paying Apple large amounts of money in the process. Google on the other hand give you quality tools for free to develop software for almost all of their platforms including Android. I find it difficult to understand why an indie developer would want to support Apple's way of doing things.

If you're comparing the iOS with Android:
- iOS is more stylish with the default settings.
- iOS can only run one thing at a time to the extent that notifications have to be modal and fill the entire screen.
- Android supports flash, iOS doesn't.
- iOS products tend to be more expensive for the same feature set.

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Posted: 6th Mar 2011 13:01
I personally think they're both a waste of money, but meh.

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Posted: 6th Mar 2011 14:49


yeah...

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Posted: 6th Mar 2011 15:24
they now sell ipads with keyboards inside these leather cases so it looks pretty much like a netbook in a leather cse/ whats the point? why not just buy a netbook instead or a macbook air?

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Posted: 6th Mar 2011 16:25
Quote: "I wasn't having a flame war. But if you disagree with Crispex on anything he automatically labels you a fanboy... but worse than that he believes that his opinion on any given subject is more valid than anyone elses...
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Had you not once again made false assumptions out of your bitterness toward me (otherwise known as a troll), you should know that I like iOS, and I never said I didn't. When I said it was a "waste of space", that was in regards to if I had to make a choice, I would take practicality over style. iOS is stylish, and fast. Android is rugged, but open to development. iOS has a better browser, but no flash. Andorid has flash, but no decent browser. Both have ups, both have downs.

If you would quit trying to piss me off 99% of the time, you'd realize that I can debate both ways on anything. Again, you taking stabs only shows others that you're not a responsible moderator. Moderators are supposed to keep the peace and be respectful, which I have yet to see from you.

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Posted: 6th Mar 2011 16:36 Edited at: 6th Mar 2011 16:38
Quote: "Again, you taking stabs only shows others that you're not a responsible moderator. Moderators are supposed to keep the peace and be respectful, which I have yet to see from you."

Be careful, you have to remember that the mods have the banhammer.

Quote: "Both have ups, both have downs."

So why can't people try both platforms? I don't see anything wrong with somebody having a PC and a Mac, or an iPhone and an Android. Instead we're arguing over which ONE to pick.

Quote: "yeah... "

Unfortunately, despite my words, it has.


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Posted: 6th Mar 2011 16:43
Quote: "Be careful, you have to remember that the mods have the banhammer."


Indeed, however what if I could ban? I'd have my right to ban him over snide comments every other day. I've already tried to apologize for my actions 5 years ago, if he can't move on, that's his problem. I'll look in my sent box and paste the apology un-edited if needed, but I've done my part. I'm getting angry at the fact that he makes rude comments in passing, which is entirely 100% unprofessional, regardless of the person. If you're going to be a resentful bitter person over what happened 5 years ago, especially being that it was petty insults, you should honestly seek therapy, and I'm not even trying to be funny. People who hold on to things that petty for that long end up with issues in their life.

As for the iOS vs Android thing, I have both an iOS device and a Android device, and really there is no clear way on how to compare them. It's like comparing a compact car to a pickup truck, the two serve different purposes and generally can't really be compared except in terms of gas millage and handling.

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Posted: 6th Mar 2011 16:53
Yeah, I just think people giving in to their "fanboyism" are shooting themselves in the foot. But whatever. It's their choice if they want to sheild themselves from iOS's features, or from Android's.


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Posted: 6th Mar 2011 17:14
Oh, as a side note, I actually did find a copy of the emails that were sent back and forth between Thraxas and I, and all it basically was, was a watered down discussion with insults about how everyone thought I didn't program an old FPI Script Editor (which I did), but that's basically it. When you see common insults from younger teenagers these days, those are about what I said. The old basement dweller insult, balls dropping, etc. But nothing to hold a real bitterness about. I run a few Garry's Mod servers on my spare time, as well as a few Minecraft ones, and I get insulted like this every day. It's nothing to be upset about, unless you're a very sensitive person. Again, I apologize for these, as I was a lot younger and more arrogant then, if I remember I was more upset over the fact that people thought I stole the code and used a wizard for the program than anything. Does that excuse my actions? No. But there is a thing called, "Forgive and Forget." I could see if I shot you, or if I physically assaulted you or threatened your family, your life, etc. but petty insults should just roll off. If you're going to stay angry about it, that's fine by me, but don't make rude comments in passing any time I have a different opinion. I'm a non-conformist and I generally dislike anything extremely mainstream with the exception of a few things.

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Quote: "I'm a non-conformist and I generally dislike anything extremely mainstream"


Why? I mean if a product works well or provides you with entertainment, why would you decide you dislike it simply because the majority does? To me, that sounds like you allow other peoples' interests and tastes to rule over yours and control certain aspects of your life.

I'm not trying to insult you, I've just always been curious about this perspective. I once had a buddy at work that felt the same way about music. So, I asked him; well, what if your favorite underground band became mainstream and everyone started listening to to them even though their music still stayed just as good and you enjoyed it just as much. He said he'd stop listening to them.

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Posted: 6th Mar 2011 18:48
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- iOS is more stylish with the default settings."


I know im in the majority here, but i disagree. Style is subjective, and to me the iOS interface is annoying, the brightly coloured simple icons make it looks like a child toy to me.


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Posted: 6th Mar 2011 18:57
Quote: "Why? I mean if a product works well or provides you with entertainment, why would you decide you dislike it simply because the majority does? To me, that sounds like you allow other peoples' interests and tastes to rule over yours and control certain aspects of your life.

I'm not trying to insult you, I've just always been curious about this perspective. I once had a buddy at work that felt the same way about music. So, I asked him; well, what if your favorite underground band became mainstream and everyone started listening to to them even though their music still stayed just as good and you enjoyed it just as much. He said he'd stop listening to them.

Kravenwolf
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Because after a while you just get tired of hearing about it, and when you finally do get around to trying it, you see how overrated it really was. Minecraft is the one time where I tried it, and I actually thought it was as great as people made it out to be. For example, that whole "Leeroy Jenkins" thing. It was funny at first, to a degree, then people just started taking it too far, and started using it in every day speech, etc. Another good example is Avatar. I heard SO much about it, only to find out the story was ripped from a 20 year old Disney movie with Smurfs involved. It didn't really appeal to me, and most of my family thought the same about it, that it was deeply overrated.

Not to mention, I like finding things out for myself. Very few times do I really go along with what people link me to. A good example is YouTube videos. I hate when people link YouTube videos. I don't want to have to redirect in order to be part of the laughs. Now if it's a decent tech demo, maybe, but if it's just something someone considers "funny" I never really go along with it. At that point, I back out of the topic.

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Posted: 6th Mar 2011 19:01 Edited at: 6th Mar 2011 19:02
OMG PLEASE AVOID THESE THREADS REDEYE!!!! PLEASE!!! YOU KNOW APPLE IS NOOBISH!!! BUT YOU MUST NOT SAY IT OUT LOUD!!!! Omg...



Functionality.... remember that word.

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Wow i thought i was the only one who had trouble with *ahem* certain mods acting moderater-ly.
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There is a difference. Your problems stem from your attitude and how you think they're all out to get you. You have an issue with every mod, pretty much. I had issues with Thraxas before he was even made mod.

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General Jackson
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Posted: 6th Mar 2011 22:03 Edited at: 7th Mar 2011 03:14
NVM
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Posted: 6th Mar 2011 22:16 Edited at: 6th Mar 2011 22:17
Edit:

Not gonna go down that road, disregard this.
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Yeah, I didn't mean to hijack this thread. Anyway, back to discussion.

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Posted: 7th Mar 2011 03:04
Quote: "YOU KNOW APPLE IS NOOBISH"

Explain why Apple is noobish for constantly setting the bar for new gadgets and why every one else (whether you think they're better or not) follows them.

I think the whole idea of a camera on an iPad is pointless, unless it'll do retina scans. Then I'll hang it on my wall and turn into a cool security gadget for doors in my house.

As for Android, I haven't see an android tablet yet, so no comments there. As for the "we have flash" debate, who cares if you're not even making use of it? It's like driving around a school zone and saying your car has 600hp.

Personally, I say forget both of them and hope for an Amiga pad!

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Posted: 7th Mar 2011 03:42
Samsung produced a great tablet called the Galaxy, which puts the iPad a run for its money.

In all honesty though, I wouldn't buy an iPad. For the high cost, I would at least expect Flash support. I hate to say it, but Apple is sacrificing a key element of the web in order to maintain a good battery life. Sorry, but that's a load of crap. I have an Asus eeePC, and it gets over 10 hours worth of battery life, running flash and all. Apple had a dispute with Adobe, and that's the only reason why they refuse to integrate it. I guarantee it was about money, Apple probably wanted to profit off of Flash, but Adobe said no.

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Posted: 7th Mar 2011 07:18
Quote: "So...how about that whole "Flash" thing? "


Quote: "Had you not once again made false assumptions out of your bitterness toward me (otherwise known as a troll)"


As someone who has no idea who you are, I can objectively say that you are clearly the one who started it here with your two sarcastic comments toward Joel and. It also seems like you're attempting to use some past incident to use a scapegoat so that Thraxas can't call you out: I however can.

I think the iOS devices are solid, but boy is it soon for them to be releasing a new iPad! Must be frustrating for everyone who bought the first one. Has it even been a year? And what does it mean for app developers, are there going to be iPad 2 only apps? Still too expensive for me to consider, but then again my last investment for the next 2 years was the Samsung Galaxy S Vibrant. App development for Apple devices is expensive, but I guess its better for quality control, especially since there have been a few Android viruses on the store.

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The Flash comment is one of the main points that the iOS devices still fail to provide. What's wrong with pointing out a flaw? That's like saying you can look at a car, but will be shot if you say anything bad about it. This is a forum, things are open for discussion. Regardless of whether remarks are sarcastic or not, my remark about the Flash support was not aimed at any particular person, it only existed as a conversation starter, about the flaws in the device.

I honestly don't know why Thraxas still holds a bitterness over petty insults. I've already apologized, both by email and publicly (numerous times). And no, I'm not apologizing just because he was made moderator, I even congratulated him when he received the promotion, but I guess that was one of the things he overlooked to move on to the bitterness. The feud has caused multiple topics to get locked, and if you can see, most of them start with him making some kind of remark about me. My posts are straightforward, and have no underlying tones behind them (for the most part), look back in my last year of posting history. VERY few times, if at all, have I made remarks about him in a negative way. If you're going to honestly hold grudges, simply don't respond to my posts. Moderators are certainly allowed to have opinions, and one can disagree with them, but there is no need for insulting people or being rude to them.

As for your points, I agree. But, as for quality control, I can't fully agree. I've had multiple occasions where apps that have been published have crashed. Not to mention, Apple doesn't put a stop to these "prank" apps like hand warmers and fingerprint scanners. Sure, some people like them, but if you're really looking at the comments, many people honestly believe these apps can do things like this. Apple makes a percentage on every copy of an app sold for a "App Store" fee, which basically means that since they host it they get a piece of the pie. This is reasonable, had them not have to pay the initial $200 to get XCode and iOS SDK. And if I've learned anything in my life, it'd be that generally exclusivity of a product does not help maintain quality control. Look at Microsoft. Much of their software is very buggy when it comes out, but look at open source projects, many of them are built on solid ground, and bad things are either removed or fixed.

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Quote: "Explain why Apple is noobish for constantly setting the bar for new gadgets and why every one else (whether you think they're better or not) follows them."


Don't have too. Don't care either. Simply because it's not worth talking about it. My last comment was something my hands wrote not my mind.

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Quote: "I'm surprised that this hasn't been posted yet, but a few days ago Apple announced the iPad 2:

http://www.apple.com/ipad/

It actually looks really awesome. Has a good price, awesome hardware, and of course plenty of awesome apps in the App Store. The new cover is brilliant. Covers the device when not in use, when you uncover it, it auto wakes up. It auto-aligns itself to the iPad when you put it on it (uses magnets) and also can be used to wipe the screen clean and to propt the device up into a typing mode or a viewing mode.

I wasn't a huge fan of the first iPad although I like the tablet idea (I thought the iPad 1 was too underpowered) but with the Dual Core A5 processor, $500 isn't bad. So I'm buying this to develop on

Anyone else looking into the iPad 2?"


Pfft, screw that, I'm getting a custom build gaming computer!

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I just can't wait to use the pregnancy tester app on one of these.

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Sorry, but I don't think toting around an iPad is gonna get you pregnant there.

Unless they have an app for that, now...




But in all seriousness, this thing looks pretty awesome. It might give me a reason to credit Apple some more. I am a fan of both Microsoft and Apple. Yes, it's possible!


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Quote: "Sorry, but I don't think toting around an iPad is gonna get you pregnant there."


It was a fake advertisement someone made for a fake app, that had you pee on your iPhone. I don't know if you saw it or not.

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Posted: 7th Mar 2011 23:23 Edited at: 7th Mar 2011 23:24
I knew that, thanks, Crispex.

Y'know, I was going along with the joke...


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Geez, Crispex and GJ sound like little whiny schoolgirls. It's pathetic that you have to litter OTHER people's threads with your bickering against the mods. I still have yet to receive an email from GJ what his problem is, and here he namedrops me in yet another thread. I'm seriously considering banning him for 5 years (he's already have 7 bans and 5 slaps, or vice versa)--- as you can see I'm practicing self control at this moment. I'm going to send him an email. Argh!!

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Quote: " Not to mention the open nature of Android being that it's Open Source."


How many thousands of Apps has Google removed due to trojans? There's definitely some "pros" to having some kind of QA vetting for every app that's introduced.

Quote: "It's like comparing a compact car to a pickup truck, the two serve different purposes and generally can't really be compared except in terms of gas millage and handling."


Agreed. I love my Nokia Symbian phone (E7) because it has a fast UI (and the device was free), but I'm hardly a fan of their web browser, which Apple has done a great job with.


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Posted: 8th Mar 2011 01:40 Edited at: 8th Mar 2011 01:40
Quote: "...you'd realize that I can debate both ways on anything."


I've noticed!


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Quote: "I'm seriously considering banning him for 5 years (he's already have 7 bans and 5 slaps, or vice versa)--- as you can see I'm practicing self control at this moment. I'm going to send him an email. Argh!!"


Join the queue. You are behaving like a child GJ, I suggest you grow up and see the bigger picture here or we can just get rid of you to save ourselves the aggro.

Seriously now, next time you will not be coming back. I'm starting to get really sick of you.

Have you noticed how we don't go around the forum making snide remarks about you? Think about it. This whole thing about the mods being out to get you is all in your head. Its a way for you to avoid the blame for your own attitude.

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@Jeku: I apologize to you for saying things about you when you have not done anything to cause me to bear any grudge against you whatsoever. It was very foolish of me to say things against you.
So Jeku, I sincerely ask you to forgive me.

Keep up the good work, Jeku
And if you think I deserve a ban for saying something against you for no good reason, go ahead and give it to me and I will deserve it and not be angry at all.
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Posted: 8th Mar 2011 04:10
You're not being clever General Jackson, you're actually behaving like a small child which for some reason is apparent to everyone but you.

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Posted: 8th Mar 2011 04:14 Edited at: 8th Mar 2011 04:18
Wow BigAdd, I am sending you an email right now, buddy.

{edit} sent
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Awesome.

{Not got anything GJ.}

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Where are all these emails going GJ?

I've not got anything, so either something has gone wrong or your not sending anything.

I've signed onto MSN if you want to talk there.

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K i'll be on in five minutes.

{edit} where are you??
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Hahaha. I love when Apple is mentioned on these forums. It's like throwing an eightball of cocaine into a room with a hundred Charlie Sheens.

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Quote: "Hahaha. I love when Apple is mentioned on these forums. It's like throwing an eightball of cocaine into a room with a hundred Charlie Sheens."


Ha nice.

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Quote: "Mm, nope. Wrong.
Only have issues with Thraxas (often) sometimes Bigadd and very very rarely Jeku."


Wow... I can only think of one time I've ever had any dealings with you on the forum and that was last month.

Crispex:
I'm not a sensitive person, and it's not what you said that irritated me. I see you have emailed Jeku and Bigadd and I will send you an email.

I will stand by what I said. I don't like your constant negative attitude. You might see it as healthy debate, but sometimes the way I perceive it is negativity just for the sake of it.

A man will one day wear a tophat in glasgow on a sunny day juggeling grapes while humming the jurrasic park theme tune.

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