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Bizar Guy
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Main thing I really dislike about the ipad, aside from how much I sync my android phone with my pc, is that it can't multi-task. Total killer for me, seriously, I'm looking for a portable computer here, and that's what I use my phone for. Don't much care for any tablet that has a mobile operating system. Found myself I multi touch netbook for and actual on the go work computer (part of my work being drawing), that also uses pressure sensitive stylus as well as fingers, runs Windows 7 home premium, AND cost less than these stupid mobile OS tablets.

Downside? Not much of a gaming machine. I'm pretty sure my phone is better at games than that, considering my phone is more powerful than the iphone 4 (and multi tasks). But honestly. Am I getting a netbook to game? No. I've got plenty of gaming devices already, thank you very much. Between my phone and my tablet netbook, I have just about every device I need where ever I am, minus the middle of the woods. I've got other gear for when I go there


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Hmm in not an apple fanboy... i kind of like my microsoft... the problem is.. maybe apple doesnt want just anyone developing for them due to standards of the software they support, maybe they just dont want the average joe ruining reliability of whatever system they design.

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Quote: "VERY few times, if at all, have I made remarks about him in a negative way. "


I haven't seen any of Thraxas negative posts about you (if there are any), but if what you say is true, then that just goes to show that the moderators' issue with you is not personal. They simply do not like your attitude, and from what I have seen in this thread, I agree with them.

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Oh, and back on topic. I wish Steve Jobs would just leave Apple. Right now, his aggressive attitude and disdain for competition makes me avoid Apple products. I know someone will say it shouldn't affect my purchasing decisions, but it does.

I do have to say that the interface of iOS is much more polished than Android (other than Honeycomb), but I wouldn't be able to survive if I could only use iTunes (to name one problem).

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I'm very tempted to lock this thread (even though I'm one of the 'Awesome' mods ) for all the petty bickering, please no more about who hates which mod, this is a thread about the iPad2, please keep it that way.

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Posted: 8th Mar 2011 19:40
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Quote: "Main thing I really dislike about the ipad, aside from how much I sync my android phone with my pc, is that it can't multi-task."


IOS4.3 is a multitasking OS.

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Posted: 8th Mar 2011 19:58 Edited at: 8th Mar 2011 20:04
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Quote: "Between my phone and my tablet netbook, I have just about every device I need where ever I am"

You've got a good point there. It's what I've been trying to say all along. You can get stuff from Microsoft and Apple, that way you have the best of both. Otherwise the intense fanboys'll come in and say "I'm never buying a phone from Microsoft due to how much their PCs BSOD," or, "I don't care if Apple has faster computers, their company's a load of stuck up pricks." Their overgeneralizing one company or another and basing their choice on that alone. Something I try my best to avoid.

Quote: "I wish Steve Jobs would just leave Apple. Right now, his aggressive attitude and disdain for competition makes me avoid Apple products."


In some ways I have to agree on that. On the other hand, sometimes its that competitive way of doing things that makes companies and their oppressors grow.


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Does Steve Jobs have a competetive attitude? I always remember him and Bill Gates being on amicable terms, at least.

"Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me." That's a bit like saying Hey bullies! So yeah, this words thing isn't working, but I'll tell you what will
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Personally I'm looking forward to the new Ipad but I'm not buying one. The reason is that its a tablet and I have no use for one at the moment. I have an ipod/mac for basic alpha tests.

Having said that when my app I'm building on my Mac book pro is getting to that testing stage and then I may look at one.

The xcode/ ios sdk is free to download and use. However there is a $99 a year publishing rights but you don't need it until the very end. For every sale made apple takes 35% of the sale as well. The best idea is to make a few apps and publish the lot. That's what I plan to do.

The iOS does support multitasking but was a real pig to add in to a project. Most people just didn't use it because it added a few months to the project and made debugging a real pain. Now its been fixed I can see a lot of new apps and old apps being updated.

http://developer.apple.com/technologies/ios/whats-new.html


There is an starting cost of buying a mac to build the project however most of the older intel models are cheap second hand. An ipod,ipad for testing and when you got to the publishing stage it IOS dev membership $99 and it you want it on the mac app store another $99. This however depends on what your making it may be good for the iOS but on the mac not worth it.

However if it was a PC and you had nothing it would be a little less to buy a PC and all the other stuff. However not by much as people make out if you had the same price range as a mac book.

Really it would take ages to make a profit on both if you didn't own a PC or a mac. I very much doubt that more than 10 people have made a profit when you add everything including power, heating, wages and the other hundred other things. Apps are mainly extra pocket money at best never a real job. I know a lot of big names now make apps but they can take the cost due to their other departments.

That all said I think the ipad 2 selling point will not be in the spec but in the brand name and its software. The things like face time and garage band ect.

However I dev for both so I'm not a fan just a Dev. The new Androids are looking good the xoom is one I'm looking at for a testing platform. This year is going to be a real tablet war last year was like a cold war this year the gloves are really coming off.

Just before anyone asks I'm using unity 3d with Android and IOS dev kits. This means only a few changes have to be made to get the code working. No need for that code twice stuff.

I'll add something later on.
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^^

Apple takes 30%, not 35%, and you will need your $99 membership to publish a Unity game on iOS as well. Also, there are tons of people making good money on the app store at the moment, not just the less than "10 people" which you claim. Not many days go by without hearing about yet another developer making thousands a day. Pretty much anyone in the top 10-20 apps are making a killing. Yes, there are lots who do it for pocket money (like me), but there are lots of people doing this full time and making decent money.


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Quote: "Not many days go by without hearing about yet another developer making thousands a day."

This ^^


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Quote: "IOS4.3 is a multitasking OS."


No, it can save states and do certain things in the background(music) but other than that it is not. You really think apple would allow you to multi task? Thats giving the user too much power!

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Quote: "Quote: "IOS4.3 is a multitasking OS."

No, it can save states and do certain things in the background(music) but other than that it is not. You really think apple would allow you to multi task? Thats giving the user too much power!
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It is amazing how much you know about IOS 4.3... considering it has not been released yet.

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Posted: 9th Mar 2011 01:43 Edited at: 9th Mar 2011 01:46
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Quote: "It is amazing how much you know about IOS 4.3... considering it has not been released yet."


Yeah, then how do you know it multitasks? I know it doesn't and to say otherwise is wishful thinking.

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Posted: 9th Mar 2011 01:54 Edited at: 9th Mar 2011 02:02
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I point the following to Jeku.

1. Never said that unity users would not have to pay $99 for dev membership.

2. My saying 10 people maybe true when you add in all the bills that normal adults pays.

Team members split if you had one(more people in the team more it has to be divided).
Each as the following bills.
taxes well. VAT, road tax, income tax, national insurance and council tax.
Rent or a mortgage.
Heating.
Electric.
water.
food.
insurance home and car.
car repairs and break down cover.
petrol.
clothes.
saving for new equipment as all computers break down or get too old.
programs and upgrade costs.
Next app costs

Add that all together over every month for the life of development with no other income at full time those thousands are looking a lot smaller.

Most apps don't stay in the top twenty and there is the fact that most apps don't make the top twenty at all. Its basic cost to risk factors.

Lets say there are 200,000 apps and 1000 make thousands. Now that means 190,000 didn't make thousands. My bets are going on not making thousands means that making apps as full time job is just too risky from a start up view point. I always like all good business people go for the its not going to be the greatest product ever. Saves on the whole disappointment bit and mean I don't over stretch myself. (Please note these figures are ones that I have pulled out of my head as its an example and I can't find any numbers that up to data on how many apps there are and how many made the big money. Its pointing out where I'm coming from.)

If you can make big bucks your golden but if you don't then you can find your in for a bit of money trouble. Now if your basically living off mom and dad then that's different (its not a bad thing) costs are a lot lower.

Sorry if I'm being overly negative but when I see reports about someone making mega money I ask how much did it cost to make in the first place was there another income ect. Oddly to date I'm yet to see one with a cost break down or any other data than I made an app I made x. However it would be interesting to find out that information.

I'll add something later on.
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Posted: 9th Mar 2011 03:03 Edited at: 9th Mar 2011 03:04
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Well firstly I never claimed everyone could get rich off of making apps, *OR* that the majority of people even make money from their apps. But some people do it for pocket money, like myself, and some people make $20,000 a day from their app.

And for the record there were substantially more than 10 people who made a lot of money making iPhone apps I happen to know one personally.


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I attempted to code apps before, but honestly I was having a few issues, mainly instability. I do like how Apple has opened up to allowing more development, it's still not where it needs to be for home developers though.

I'm not liking iOS 4 as much as I liked 3.

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Posted: 9th Mar 2011 10:12 Edited at: 9th Mar 2011 10:20
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Quote: "Quote: "It is amazing how much you know about IOS 4.3... considering it has not been released yet."

Yeah, then how do you know it multitasks? I know it doesn't and to say otherwise is wishful thinking."


iOS4 has multitasking, iOS4.3 introduces multitasking gestures, which allows you to use gestures to switch between tasks (how do I know this? There's a beta out and you can see the features of iOS4.3).

Before iOS4 introduced it, iOS didn't have a good way of switching between tasks, you basically had your different apps in a save state and you have to basically head straight to the menu to move on to the next app. In iOS4 you are capable of opening a bar at the bottom of the screen when running an App and switch to another one and it works very quickly. I can switch between Spotify, Infinity Blade, MSN, Facebook and Safari very quickly without much interruption. Perhaps iOS4 is still saving states, but it's not noticeable, apps like MSN are still capable of bugging you in the middle of a game if you're chatting to a friend and your music still plays in the background and Spotify still downloads music whilst I'm in the middle of a game and I can switch between my apps very quickly.

I suspect if it is still uses save states then it's how it's saving on memory, I mean an app like Infinity Blade would use a lot of memory and processing power, the example above would perhaps be the equivalent of me running CoD2 (it has Intel HD, so it has to be CoD2), Spotify, MSN and Opera. Whilst it's doable, the performance isn't that great, as CoD is dominating the system resources, it means switching between tasks isn't that seamless.

Either way, it multitasks fairly well, regardless of what methods it uses.

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Quote: "Quote: "It is amazing how much you know about IOS 4.3... considering it has not been released yet."

Yeah, then how do you know it multitasks? I know it doesn't and to say otherwise is wishful thinking.
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You should contact Apple then and tell them to take down the advertising on their website for IOS since you know more about their product than they do.

http://www.apple.com/ios/

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I like iOS development because despite the crap that Objective-C is as a language, Apple really made an awesome framework. I just wish they would give up on Objective-C and give me a language that is readable. I just finished downloading Xcode4 which looks really promising as far as IDEs go. Love em or hate em, Apple does do a few things right.

Quote: "iOS4 has multitasking,"

and is the best implementation of multitasking for a phone, if you ask me. Run only the services (such as a phone call or GPS app) in the background, but close the rest of the application that doesn't need to be wasting energy.

Quote: "iOS4.3 introduces multitasking gestures, which allows you to use gestures to switch between tasks"

Really? haven't heard that. I'll have to look into it when I get the new iPad in a few days

Quote: "I smell a strong scent of Apple fanboyism coming from your way... "

Sorry to bring this up, but I can't let someone call me an Apple fanboy and not clear it up... wrapped my comment on that in code block in an attempt not to drag the post too far off the beaten road.


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Quote: "and is the best implementation of multitasking for a phone, if you ask me. Run only the services (such as a phone call or GPS app) in the background, but close the rest of the application that doesn't need to be wasting energy."


Yeah, you're wrong. That victory goes to WebOS.

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Don't worry a lot of people are Apple haters and tend not to know what they're talking about because it's Apple and in their mind they think everything's crap and rely on false information. I wouldn't class myself as a fanboy either, because I hate fanboys, they usually froth at the mouth and don't play nice, exactly like haters, hence I'm not a hater either (seems rather pointless and pathetic to me). I acknowledge Apple's strengths and weaknesses, I also recognise the strengths and weaknesses of products from other companies. You'll notice I'm running Windows 7 Pro on a ThinkPad and the only Apple product I have in my possession is an iPod Touch. I like Macs, but I also likes PCs. I would be willing to pay more for a little extra peace of mind, hence I pay for my internet security rather than rely on freebies, it's why I bought a ThinkPad over a Dell, it's why I buy extended warranties (last time I didn't, I regretted it) and it's why I have more than one means of storage. My next desktop may be a Mac, who knows? Having MacOS would perhaps aid development and would allow me to test anything I make with Unity, but also, use Unity for iOS. But also, the MacPro is quite beasty and would last a long time in terms of upgrading its spec.

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Posted: 10th Mar 2011 07:19 Edited at: 10th Mar 2011 07:43
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Quote: "Quote: "and is the best implementation of multitasking for a phone, if you ask me. Run only the services (such as a phone call or GPS app) in the background, but close the rest of the application that doesn't need to be wasting energy."

Yeah, you're wrong. That victory goes to WebOS."


Coming from a guy who just claimed, "iOS doesn't multitask" and a guy who trolls pretty much every Apple thread out there, I'm not sure whether I can take what you say seriously. Just looking at WebOS, I'd say neither were stronger, the WebOS one looks a little untidy, but it seems both are just as capable, especially with gestures on iOS 4.3.

Also, how can he be wrong? The 'best' can only ever be an opinion. If he hates using the WebOS multitasking, then if you ask him, he's not going to say it's the best.

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@Commico Inc, that made me laugh

Yeah, definitely not a fanboy of any of these mentioned, but I have a grudge against apple for the OS 8 and OS 9 computers I had to use in middle school and most of high school. OS X is a good OS, even if I have a number of issues with it, but I don't think anyone here would try to defend OS 8 or 9. They were... [shudders]. Needless to say, apple ruined itself for me. Anything beyond that, I will either credit them for or point out flaws with.
Otherwise, I've never been in a situation where it's made sense to get an apple product, much for compatibility and price reasons.

Even with phones. Thank g-d the iphone is not just on AT&T anymore, btw. :/

Android is... well, it's pretty amazing, I think. Not a fanboy of ANY phone, but like I said earlier, my phone is a portable computer, and I treat it as such. I plug it in at night, and it eats through the battery in a day, but I kinda expected that. And hey! I can buy myself much more powerful batteries for it if I fancy I need it!
But yeah, really didn't have a decent reason to get a smart phone until recently, and when I did, apple had the problem that their phones were only for AT&T, were no where near as fast as the one I was getting, could not remove the battery, and did not multitask. Effectively, their phone would have been a toy, and like I said I wanted a computer.

I AM a Google fanboy... almost. Not quite, but I will give them more slack than the next company, at least until their ethics and product begin to seem less about improving the overall marketplace, and just about turning a profit, or at least when it seems they care more about profit than making good products.
Maybe they do care more about profit, dunno, but it hasn't stopped them from working to improve standards and make really good products.

Quote: "IOS4.3 is a multitasking OS."

Good to know, though honestly, I suspect that my Android phone already does that, and my Windows 7 netbook and laptop do it better.

I have to say, I think the iPad is a waste of space, mostly because I think it should run OS X. Why on earth would I want a giant iPhone?????? I'd rather just get a normal iPhone, if I am to get one at all. :/

Real turn off that it does not effectively function as a drawing tablet, for me personally. If I could run Photoshop on it and it had a pressure sensitive screen, or a digitizer along with it's multi touch, then I could not think of it as a toy. But to do even that, it would need OS X, and we're back to that problem.

Likewise, I think android tablets are stupid as well. Yes, Android allows for big boy web dev, but it's still not designed with a full web on web browser as far as I know, not at least until Firefox for android is out of beta. There is so much functionality lost, even for the likes of essay writing, due to online doc programs like google docs not running on it. Same with the likes of any online program meant to replace an application. The default phone versions of the sites take away those options, and if the tablet can even do it, you need to switch the site back to normal mode. Windows 7 tablets? Better, though I hope they come with a physical keyboard for when you actually want to write an essay on they or use short cut keys.

Looking for an e-reader? Get an e-reader. Tablets are no more easier on the eye's than a computer screen. I am of the opinion if you want a tablet, and can justify $500-700, it hopefully is fulfilling some very useful function for you, and in that case, I do not see how a phone OS is better than a full computer OS.


So, yeah. I have some questions.

Can someone tell me why they think an iPad 2 is a good device to spend their money on?

and then,

Why is the iPad 2 preferable to a tablet running a real OS?


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Posted: 11th Mar 2011 09:43 Edited at: 11th Mar 2011 09:44
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Quote: "Can someone tell me why they think an iPad 2 is a good device to spend their money on?"


As a tablet computer. You might be attracted to it as a nifty gadget and feel like you're a star trek character or use it because simply it's convenient. In terms of functionality a tablet isn't very special, you might buy it as an expensive netbook that has touch screen functionality and people do pay extra for computers with touch screen, like some of the newer Windows 7 ones, even laptops that double as a laptop and tablet (which cost like £1000+). And of course it's not really superior as an e-reader either, the Amazon Kindle is, I saw one of those over last weekend, I can't believe how ink-like their displays are.

Quote: "Why is the iPad 2 preferable to a tablet running a real OS?"


In all honesty. It isn't. iOS is great as media player and phone operating system, but I too would have preferred to have seen a version of MacOS X on there, mainly because there's more functionality. I suspect the reason they've used it is because its probably more resource efficient on low spec hardware. *shrugs*

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This was excellent (its has rude language, it tells you that)

It highlights many problems, and whilst it does go too far, it is comedy

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That was one of the funniest "reviews" I've ever seen. So true too.

I just now realized I've had a typo in my signature for the past 3 years.
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Good video He does have a point.... the Apple crowd tends to cheer for things that aren't that amazing.


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Quote: "the Apple crowd tends to cheer for things that aren't that amazing."


Wait... What... did you not see that cable? It was glorious!

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5 quid says the software for the cable was more or less in the old iPad

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Posted: 13th Mar 2011 00:31 Edited at: 13th Mar 2011 00:35
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Quote: "the Apple crowd tends to cheer for things that aren't that amazing."


Yeah - the keynotes also seem to feature people who make 'woop' nosies, seemingly deliberately. I'm guessing they're employees who intentionally make noises to rile up the crowd (or to drown out the lack of applause)

Quote: "5 quid says the software for the cable was more or less in the old iPad "


Oh yeah, you can almost bet on it. Being fair to Apple though, I think the original iPad is a poster child of a product designed to test the market: basic features, a bit behind on iOS support etc.

It seems to me as though they wanted to check a market existed for it before pouring a lot of features into it

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Quote: "Good video He does have a point.... the Apple crowd tends to cheer for things that aren't that amazing."


Yeah, hence why I don't watch Keynotes, they can be a wee bit irritating, Steve Jobs is annoying and as you say, people cheer over nothing. It sounds like each and every individual development is amazing and state of the art and innovative - iPad with HDMI output, I can definitely see what the video was getting at. I think it's probably the keynotes that gets a lot of hate directed at apple. They need a decent PR guy instead of letting Steve Jobs do it.

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why does an ipad need hdmi output?

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People seem obsessed with hooking their gadgets to their HDTV. Phones like the Motorola Milestone also come with one. I suppose if you've got a movie stored digitally on your iPad then you plug it into your TV. *Shrugs* so basically if you've got an iPad, you don't need an Apple TV, just one of those 'revolutionary' cables.


Either that or they can sit at home in front of their PC lover friends and have them watch you for 6 hours demonstrate how much you love apple and why they should love apple on a 42 inch screen. To which effect those connectors ought to come with rope, chains and a padlock, so you can tie your friends down and chain up all exits. It'll almost be like A Clockwork Orange...though wait a minute, he ended up hating the 9th Symphony, this is perhaps why nobody ever listens to my ideas.

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Quote: "why does an ipad need hdmi output?"

Quote: "Either that or they can sit at home in front of their PC lover friends and have them watch you for 6 hours demonstrate how much you love apple and why they should love apple on a 42 inch screen. To which effect those connectors ought to come with rope, chains and a padlock, so you can tie your friends down and chain up all exits. It'll almost be like A Clockwork Orange...though wait a minute, he ended up hating the 9th Symphony, this is perhaps why nobody ever listens to my ideas."


I think there's a bigger picture here. It's not about only plugging it into the TV. Imagine demoing a new website to an audience (not uncommon for SaaS providers and other web-based companies). Would you rather stand behind a podium with a laptop, or tell someone on the other side of the room what to do? or just simply hold a tablet (any tablet, not just the iPad) in your hands and tap? Tapping and holding a tablet, in my opinion, seems way beter. And not just presenting to a large audience. I could see a tablet being very useful for a teacher teaching a class. Or being at a wedding reception and using the iPod to play music and show off a video/slideshow of the bride/groom.

I'm not saying you can't do this with a laptop or something already, but I'm just saying that there are more applications than watching your tablet on the TV. I think there are situations where a keyboard-less computer would be more convenient than a normal computer. And I think many of those situations include plugging into a TV.

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Even then, I myself never found HDMI practical for mobile devices. If you want to watch pixelated videos on a nice TV, be my guest.

The minute the iPad supports Flash, I'll get one. Some might argue that Flash isn't everything, but most sites I go on contain some sort of flash. Not to mention iOS's web browser doesn't support JavaScript to the fullest degree, meaning all my sites which utilize the genius jQuery don't function the way they should, and I can't be bothered to make a mobile version of my sites.

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They just implemented an overhauled JS engine in iOS 4.3. I'm interested to see how it goes. I do agree with you that their JS engine before left much to be desired.

Quote: "Even then, I myself never found HDMI practical for mobile devices. If you want to watch pixelated videos on a nice TV, be my guest."

Your realize that the iPad outputs at a 1080p resolution, right? (not the ipad screen, but the HDMI-out does) That's the best consumer TV resolution at the moment, and I'm willing to bet it's the same resolution as your monitor (if not 1920 x 1080 then I bet you have no more than 1920 x 1200, which isn't a whole lot different. But I could be wrong). So pixelated? I think not.

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It was nearly 4am, it's usually when my craziness filters through, so I think most of my post was facetiousness. But yes, you've got the sensible answer to the question.


Also, yes, Flash is the major down point of the iPad, I'm not even sure why Apple hasn't implemented it. However, I only use Flash on Facebook games and I play Facebook games to procrastinate, on my iPod touch I have other games to distract me. But of course, somebody who uses Flash a lot on the internet won't find much attraction in either the iPod, iPhone or iPad. So obviously it's not a necessity, but I'm sure it'd be nice to have.

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money, allowing flash would make a large section of the app store redundant

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Surely the same could be said about the Android market? Or does Android not have flash either?

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whether they do or not, replacing android flash programs with an android's own software would essentially allow them to make more money

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money, allowing flash would make a large section of the app store redundant
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I don't agree with that, but I also won't say you're wrong. They have said multiple times that it comes down to two main things: Processor time and security. 3rd party plugins like flash are infamous for security exploits. Also, Flash is a power hog. Load up a flash game or something and check out your CPU usage. Apple doesn't like that. I think that it's mostly Adobe's fault that it ever got to the point where Apple wouldn't want Adobe's crappy platform to be run on their devices. If Adobe were maintaining a stable, power-effecient, secure platform I think this conversation wouldn't be happening and people would be happily playing crappy games on their iphones right now. Adobe did this to themselves by going so long without fixing their problems.

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No, it comes down to money. Apple thinks you should pay to be on their products. It makes sense to a degree, but Apple simply doesn't also want to show that their product is incapable of handling flash, a staple to living online.

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Quote: "No, Apple simply doesn't also want to show that their product is incapable of handling flash, a staple to living online."


Is this all speculation and opinion or is there actually a credible reference somewhere you guys are getting this information from?

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My information is simply based on common sense. Computers that are 8 years old can run flash halfway decent, which leads me to believe that the only reason Apple hasn't included it, is because they fear the iPad will be incapable of running it properly due to its rather low-spec processor. In its defense though, the tablet market is just starting to evolve. Sure, there were tablet PC's before, but they had a bunch of extra crap thrown in with them like a dependency on a keyboard. Nowadays tablets have virtual keyboards.

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LOL shirt.... that was a great feeling... i havent laughed so hard i had to pee since i just got done reading about a member who lives behind a strip club car wash.. (so about 5 - 10 minutes ago.. but it was still funny as hell) Anyway thats sales talk for you. I dont know alot about anything... some times things are hit and miss... microsoft has missed many times... (Vista.. ME..) So has apple... how many times has windows given us utter crap... what about linux?? Manybe we should put them into the mix... no glory or fails... what do we think...

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http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/
And more recently:
http://www.adobe.com/support/security/advisories/apsa11-01.html

Also, I base my opinion on how well flash (doesn't) run on my computer and android devices.
I look forward to the day where I can browse the Internet and watch clips, tv shows, and movies and play online games without flash.

Also, I wrote this reply from my new iPad 2 it's awesome. Been having a lot of fun with it. The case is as awesome as apple claims. The iPad is fast and browsing the Internet is really nice.
Tablets are sweet

Here's an interesting read: http://www.businessinsider.com/flash-video-on-tablets-the-real-reason-why-its-not-happened-2011-3

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just to put it out there: WOW what a.. deb... debate?

anyway, I myself have used both HTC android
and Iphone from apple
and i must say, i prefer the interface on android, it seems smoother. Also I like the fact that if i want an self made operative system on my android phone, i can have it.
But then, iphone seems less complicated and more suited for the simple person who doesnt want any fancy programming stuff on their phones.
Also imo the apple does seem more responsive in forms of pressing buttons.. just a side notes...

anyway, summary? IT IS POSSIBLE TO LIKE BOTH =)


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Burn the heretic!

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Really? Flash doesn't run well on your computer? I would have said the same thing in '99, perhaps.


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