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RedneckRambo
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Quote: "I feel bad for Russians, I really do. You miss out on a lot of good things. No offense, as this is a solid stat: Most of Russia isn't exactly advanced by means of technology (except for in weapons...oddly...), so it doesn't surprise me, especially being that every Russian gamer I've ever encountered on my GMod server can barely handle Source games. And when I asked about your "high end" computers, most say there are really no ones that can play games produced after 2005."

Please just stop. I'm asking nicely.

Playing a few Russians online does not mean Russia as a whole isn't technologically advanced. That's just a stupid generalization. Yes, obviously there are poor people there. There are poor people here. In fact, most people, ones that aren't poor, don't even have PCs that can play older games. I'm a pretty hardcore gamer and my PC is complete rubbish.

With that said... The Comet... that video was freakin hilarious haha.

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Just finished coop yesterday night. It was a great experience!

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I thought the graphics were miles ahead of the original Portal. The lighting alone was completely reworked. I'm still on Chapter 7 and really enjoying it


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On the subject of Portal, anyone remember this thread?



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I'm playing through the co-op with my brother, great fun, especially with the monster speakers I got on Sunday, Glados is as fascinating as ever.

I thought the graphics had a lot more polish with Portal2, it's not worlds apart, but the glass refraction is good, and things are a whole lot smoother around the edges. It feels a lot more like the environment is constantly changing, and complex - like those aren't walls now, they're temporary walls held up by robot arms. It feels much less like it's made from polygons compared to Portal1.

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Been playing with thraxas Co-op is alot more fun XD The pure amount stupid deaths and mistakes we had were great


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Posted: 25th Apr 2011 19:46 Edited at: 25th Apr 2011 19:47
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Spoiler (Only click if you played through the game)



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nvm

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lol @ wrong thread comment

Quote: "Been playing with thraxas Co-op is alot more fun XD The pure amount stupid deaths and mistakes we had were great
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Yes co-op was hilarious fun. Watching Laz die and die and die again due to my ineptitude was hilarious.

I really like the whole press 'tab'and see what your partner sees thing... I wish I could have it up all the time, sometimes I would have wandered off and then Laz would be flying overhead from some unseen faithplate.

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Posted: 27th Apr 2011 21:29
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Just played it, 'Mazing

Only criticism is the commentary was way underdone , which is a shame, There are areas I'd like to know more of especially chapter 7

The new credit song is awesome



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crispex
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Let me back up my statement. Obviously over-sensitive people jump to the conclusion that I'm overly-generalizing an area. Pagan had no problem explaining the state of Russia, and from the friends I have online who live in Russia, say that generally most of the country is poor. Sure, Moscow, St. Petersburg, etc. are rather advanced, but the rest of the country is rather poor. That's not a generalization, that's a fact. Sorta like how the South is generally more poor in the United States than the Northeast and West. Sure, as with anything there are a few more spots dotted in between, I'm not denying that. Not to mention having less money doesn't make anyone less of a person, which I assume is why a lot of people dislike what I said.

Russia is still recovering after the Soviet era, and a lot of the country is still in suffering (particularly Chechnya, which some recognize as its own country). Technology is often outdated in most areas and the new technology is VERY expensive. I have a friend who lives in St. Petersburg, and said that the majority of the people there are often low-income apartment dwellers. He lived in Florida for 9 years before moving back. His family left shortly after the collapse of the Soviet Union. I spoke with him today over MSN after I read some replies to my comments, and she said that when he went back to Russia, most of the country is still the same as it was years ago. He said barely anyone outside of major cities has updated technology, and that most who do have the technology live in higher-income areas.

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Quote: "He said barely anyone outside of major cities has updated technology, and that most who do have the technology live in higher-income areas."


What you've just described is everywhere in the world, not just Russia.

You were generalising though, you said "You feel sorry for Russians", but what you are describing happens in every country, not just Russia.
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Obviously over-sensitive people jump to the conclusion that I'm overly-generalizing an area"


Nobody here is being over-sensitive, there are more than a few people in this thread who thought your comment was a little racist.

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You're right, it is like that. Like I said, every country and state is dotted with lower-income areas that have a lack of technlogy. I'm not debating that. I'm simply saying based on what I've been told by a few friends who either live in Russia at the moment, or have lived in Russia, it's not a highly technological area. It's not an inaccurate statement. Sure, it's a slight generalization, but for the most part it's true (with the exception of the major cities).

I know hardly anyone in my area has advanced technology, or even shows interest in it.

If you found my statement "racist" in any way, I apologize for it was not intended to sound that way.

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So I just finished the game. It was more or less what one would expect from Valve (i.e. absolutely amazing). The gameplay was good, although there were some sections that were more like an adventure game than a puzzle game.

The graphics look overall vastly superior to Portal 1. The graphics themselves are actually only a minor improvement over Portal 1. It's the more over the top usage of the physics engine that makes it look so much better.

At the end of the story I half expected the G-Man to show up.

Spoiler:


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Posted: 28th Apr 2011 13:15 Edited at: 28th Apr 2011 13:24
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@ Herakles





Oh and
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I'm simply saying based on what I've been told by a few friends who either live in Russia at the moment, or have lived in Russia, it's not a highly technological area. It's not an inaccurate statement. Sure, it's a slight generalization, but for the most part it's true (with the exception of the major cities)."


Sorry, but this still sounds really stupid. I live in the middle of nowhere in the countryside in the UK. There is nothing that could be considered 'technological' for miles. Where I live doesn't even have mains sewers or gas.

"with the exception of the main cities" applies just as well to where I live as it does to presumably many places elsewhere (including the USA: There are probably more remote rural areas in the US than there are in the UK too). So to isolate this generalisation to Russia (as if it is somehow unique or deserves to be pitied) is pretty naive

I admit that the spread of some technology in Russia may be hamstrung slightly more by the sheer size of the place, but I think that's the most you could actually say without sounding stupid

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Finished single player yesterday. I have to agree with everyone, the levels weren't as fun as the first. It seemed like the levels were designed just to showcase some of the new tricks that they introduced, instead of trying to get the players to really think of how to use them. For a game that took place in the entirety of the Aperture building, there were almost no back areas to explore.

I did love the way the story and dialogue was set up though. It seemed more like an interactive movie at some points, the dialogue was very well written in that respect.


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Quote: "Russia is still recovering after the Soviet era, and a lot of the country is still in suffering (particularly Chechnya, which some recognize as its own country). Technology is often outdated in most areas and the new technology is VERY expensive. I have a friend who lives in St. Petersburg, and said that the majority of the people there are often low-income apartment dwellers. He lived in Florida for 9 years before moving back. His family left shortly after the collapse of the Soviet Union. I spoke with him today over MSN after I read some replies to my comments, and she said that when he went back to Russia, most of the country is still the same as it was years ago. He said barely anyone outside of major cities has updated technology, and that most who do have the technology live in higher-income areas.
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A correction on chehcneya lol. Ever since the war ther a lot of the federal budget is being thrown to rebuild it. I am sure that a lot of chechneyas outskirts are still poor but the capital- Grozny is completley rebuilt almost from scratch and is actually very wealthy- a lot more wealthier than most of russia actually. It has actually become somewhat of a public outrage that the government is feeding Cacasus region when that money could have gone to developing other poorer regions of russia. The governor of chechneya (they call him the president but its just a title really) he is also a former leader of of some terrorist orgonisation there (his son actually his father used to be in charge there before he got assasinated) This guy was actually financed by russia during the war there so he became the president/governor.

Also computer hardware is more expensive here-thats true but not by much. Mostly 10-20% more. also some of the hardware is actually cheaper. but whats interesting is i actually believe that hardware they sell here is better quality than they have iin america. I had tons of hardware in US break down withing a few months of bying but here, i lived 3 years in russia and during these 3 years not a single piece of hardware broke down on me. and during the time of working as a computer repair person, most of my work was fixing problems with windows only like twice there was actually broken hardware involved. Also i read a lot of reviews on newegg and stuff about hardware thats supposed to be very poor and a lot of defects. The reviews on russian sites for those same products leave nothing but very happy and satisfied customers. Even tho almost all of the hardware sold in russia is chinese. My friend thinks its because america gets most of the defective harware because people there are wealthier and if stuff breaks down they will likley just buy another one while in russia if a certain model of hardware is defective, the person will proboly switch to another manufacturer or might not have the money to buy another one therefore the company will loose profit on the russian market.

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Quote: " I had tons of hardware in US break down withing a few months of bying but here, i lived 3 years in russia and during these 3 years not a single piece of hardware broke down on me."


I've seen this with particular brands. It's just a brand issue really. Gigabyte is notoriously bad for breaking down a year or two later, but it's very cheap. I think in reality American's are cheap.

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Yes actually this is the interesting part because in russia Gigabyte is known for being a very reliable brand. My friend recentley got a gigabyte board for his server and reading american reviews i was worried that this board might be defective and will break down. but the board turned out to be very good and russian reviews for this board are all very positive. Here MSI is considered the cheapest brand but even MSI dosent break down. i have like a few 5 year old msi boards that still work 1 with a top of the line pentium D, the other with a QX9650 also among top of the line CPUs

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Hardware isn't about the brand as much as how you use it. I STRONGLY despise dell computers. They are good for business, HOWEVER anything else it's pointless because the hardware breaks down after a year. It's how you use it. I don't understand these people who burn up PSU's every other year, I've NEVER burned up one. A lot of it is misuse.

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ids say partially its about the brand. Stuff like elitegroup boards are generally cheap and bad quality and break down.

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Quote: "Yes actually this is the interesting part because in russia Gigabyte is known for being a very reliable brand"


I've never heard of problems with Gigabyte, I heard one of the companies who do ATI cards are notorious for bad quality

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Most people I've talked to love gigabyte. I personally see them lasting only a couple years.

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Generalising again. MY Dell here's been running for 6 years, perfectly.

One RAM upgrade, and a GFX card update, that's all that's been done to it. Plays Crysis on high, not bad at all IMO.

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Finished the Co-op, ending was awesome

As I need a place to vent, my ancient theme hospital copy isn't compatible with 64-bit windows =(

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I know you pain bro.

However Portal 2's campaign has offset it for me.

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yeah, I was thinking, downhill from this game for a looong time

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Couple of little bumps upwards at Valve releases though.

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Im resisting every urge to install Homeworld and Homeworld 2 for rnr away from portal 2 ;S


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This guy is quite good at throwing cubes around in Portal:



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nice avatar thraxas


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Quote: "Generalising again. MY Dell here's been running for 6 years, perfectly."


Well congrats to you then, I've owned two and they both failed. The first one was $860, and we were told we'd be getting top of the line hardware at the time (Intel Core Duo, 4gb RAM, etc.) but instead they ripped us off and sent us a computer with 1gb of RAM and a Pentium 4 HT (hyper-threaded, which acts like two processors). Then, the hard drive in it failed only 3 weeks into use. We called Dell "support" to which they said they would send out a technician. My father stayed home from a day of work so he could let them in. They never came. We called again, and they said we were billed $85 for the visit. So we refused to pay off the computer, and they sued us saying that we'd voided our contract with them and that we intentionally destroyed hardware components in order to get better ones. The case was never settled, and was ended 4 years ago, with us not paying anything. The computer still sits on a desk in the living room, broken.

The next one was bought 2 years ago, and the motherboard was fried after 3 months of use. We contacted support, they replaced it. The hard drive then failed. They charged us $20 for "time and service" for replacement. Next, the PSU failed. It sits unused now.

Apparently you have a problem with people generalizing. I generalize, once again, based on life experiences not based on views of others or other situations.

Yes, some people have been able to keep their Dell's working. Props to you. Otherwise, Dell's were made to be business machines.

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Damn, sorry to hear you've had such issues with 'em. My dad's also got a Dell, runnign great, perhaps it's something to do with their American division?

Also. Portal 2 ending is possibly the most awesome thing ever.

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Just found this.. Amazing. Don't click if you haven't played yet.

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Aha ive merged both of the files, then put it on my playlist XD


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