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Geek Culture / Playstation Network Hacked - (PSN's been down for a few days)

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Michael P
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Posted: 1st May 2011 13:13
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Haha southpark is hilarious.

Anyway crispex, if they normally take the time to encrypt passwords but didn't then why is it so unlikely that they would have forgotten to encrypt credit card details too!

The company will delay release of this information if indeed credit card details have been stolen because they are liable for court action, and it will be catastrophic for the company.

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Cliff Mellangard 3DEGS
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Posted: 1st May 2011 13:29
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Alot of people have missed the fact that they didt get any credit card information!
They have your name,your adress and login password!

And for the hacker to have any use of this data so do he have to have an separate profile for each and everyone.

wich means he have to have 70 million profiles on his console

And any profile that is registered already on 5 consoles is useless as each profile have an limit of 5 profiles on differrent consoles.

They where after credit card information that they didt get at all.
If you check your console so will you see that your credit card information is only registered on the console you entered it on! and is being passed on from it to psn when you buy with it.
Check your other profiles on your friends console so will you find it blanked out.

So simply chill and play offline
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Michael P
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Posted: 1st May 2011 13:34
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Even so, usernames and passwords are very powerful, plenty of fraud is going to happen as a direct result of this breach.

e.g. access emails account with the same password, read password confirmation emails --> access paypal, amazon, online banking etc...

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Posted: 1st May 2011 13:39 Edited at: 1st May 2011 13:41
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Quote: "Even so, usernames and passwords are very powerful, plenty of fraud is going to happen as a direct result of this breach.

e.g. access emails account with the same password, read password confirmation emails --> access paypal, amazon, online banking etc..."

You never use the same password
I dont do it anyway
Wath online banking you always have external security on it in sweden anyway.
You either use an code pad or so called bankid that only work from one single computer that gets activated from your local bank.

And the hack is useless to use peoples psn anyway

PS3 will have a forced system software update that will require all registered PlayStation Network users to change their account passwords before being able to sign into the service. As an added layer of security, that password can only be changed on the same PS3 in which that account was activated, or through validated email confirmation, a critical step to help further protect customer data.

The hack where completely uselesss more then to damage people that love games.

I will pay for the bullets if someone hunts down the hackers
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Posted: 1st May 2011 13:43
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Quote: "The initial attack was disguised as a purchase, so wasn't flagged by network security systems. It exploited a known vulnerability in the application server to plant software that was used to access the database server that sat behind the third firewall, said Hasejima.

Management at Sony Network Entertainment International, the company that manages the network platform for the two services, wasn't aware of the vulnerability, said Hasejima."

Absolutely astonishing!

(Source: http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9216311/Sony_apologizes_details_PlayStation_Network_attack)

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Cliff Mellangard 3DEGS
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Posted: 1st May 2011 13:47
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Quote: "Absolutely astonishing!"

Agreed
That whas an really stupid mistake!
They should have asked microsoft on how to do it
But they also have bin hacked but did it silently and never shut down there service.
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Posted: 1st May 2011 16:11
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I have a PS3, but I play multiplayer on XBox...well that's my bank details safe and sound for the moment then.

I guess losing all your information to a fat, raging hacker offsets £40 a year then?

I do miss a bit of CoD online. But I just got Portal 2 for PC, so I'm surviving.

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Posted: 1st May 2011 16:25
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Quote: "well that's my bank details safe and sound for the moment then."

They dont have your banking details!
Quote: "I guess losing all your information to a fat, raging hacker offsets £40 a year then?"

It wasent that long ago peoples x box live accounts got jacked or you missed that one?
Not so much buzz about that one either?
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Posted: 1st May 2011 18:25
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Quote: "It wasent that long ago peoples x box live accounts got jacked or you missed that one?"


I did actually. Only got XBL a year and a half ago.

I was joking, no need to get defensive. I was ironicising the fact that one, sweaty, lifeless CoD fanboy can completely hammer a multi-billion corporation that supports 75 million gamers.

It could and probably will happen to Microsoft at some point. I can only hope it happens to Apple too.

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Posted: 1st May 2011 18:56
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Quote: " I can only hope it happens to Apple too."

They have well already bin hacked?
I know it wasent that long ago some people hacked goggles android market and planted trojans in some of there software
Quote: "I was joking, no need to get defensive. "

No no not defensive!
I simply wanted to state that all of them have bin hacked and now was it simply psns turn
But cant help to feel that sony somehow overreacted?
You can never get away from that live is a bit better then psn when it is an service you actually pays for.
Its not the hardware we love but the games we play on them
I hated the old 360 hardware but love the slim version!
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Posted: 1st May 2011 20:19
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Quote: "So you release some paid for software. You're ok with someone decompiling it, releasing how to get around the payment method and everyone have it for free... cool"


thats not what i got from the original post,

Quote: "Why should we allow people to modify everything? It's like me inventing a sweeper, and the minute I release it someone opens it up and makes it something else, then makes how to do it public, then people find alternative ways to doing things, before long it's no longer something YOU made."


modifying a software into something else, no harm in that-.
Quote: "Sure. Did they also buy the software to do with as they please, or did they just buy a license for the use of the software, which they don't have the right to do with as they please, as they don't actually own that."


modifying the hardware as they please -> no harm in that. and, since the software is usually payed for aswell, then there is no harm in modifying it either, re-realeasing something for free? thats where the line goes, if you buy something it doesnt give you the rights to remake it and throw it to other people

think of it like this: if i buy a car, then i build two cars which are made from the same kind of pieces and so on, basicicly ripping the original desing, and selling, or even giving it away? thats wrong
however the original he should be able to play with as much as he pleases-

ofc that was an example, so driving rules does not apply lol


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Posted: 1st May 2011 20:22
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I see no problem with him releasing that code. It was on the device sold to him by Sony. If I bought piece of equipment I would see no problem with giving information about it, it just happens Sony suck at protecting things they don't want people to see.

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Kevin Picone
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Posted: 1st May 2011 23:16 Edited at: 2nd May 2011 00:24
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Just a pretty diagram of hack

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2011/05/01/psn-hack-image.aspx


Quote: "modifying the hardware as they please -> no harm in that. and, since the software is usually payed for aswell, then there is no harm in modifying it either, re-realeasing something for free? "


Except you're purchasing a license to use said product, at no point do you own it. The owner can grant whatever limitations of use they see fit.


Hmm, I wonder what's coming in 2011?
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Posted: 1st May 2011 23:41
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Expect you're purchasing a license to use said product, at no point do you own it. The owner can grant whatever limitations of use they see fit."


that i do am aware of, and i belive thats really.. bullcrap.
if you buy something, you should own it, but ofcourse the only way thats happening is by getting back to trading.
but then again iam sure big companies would still somehow find a way for them to still own what they trade off.


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They sent me a email saying my account and credit card was hacked,to check my credit daily and to report anything to the credit card comp,and to call the police to report it or the bureau of invensigations.The thing is I dont have my play station 3 any longer and before I sold it I forgot to erase my account info,so I had to cancle my credit card..

my signature keeps being erased by a mod So this is my new signature.
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Posted: 2nd May 2011 01:49
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Quote: "if you buy something, you should own it"


But you do own what you purchased. You paid for a game console, not a modifiable computer. If Sony wanted to sell you the entire console, technical information and unlimited use, they would charge a lot more than what they do now - especially since they are underselling the console.

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Quote: "You paid for a game console, not a modifiable computer."


They gave you an assortment of electrical components, you can do whatever the hell you want with it.

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Quote: "How can you almost guarantee something that your assuming?

I can guarantee that it's nothing to do with fanboyism - You think XBox360 fanboys decided to play a prank?, risk jail to get back at PS3 fanboys?
It doesn't work like that, it's financial, political, or criminal - not pety. How much do you think our PSN details are worth to marketting companies?, how much of a f-u is this to Sony?, How illegal is this?."

Yeah... Sorry bout that, i was pretty mad about the hack at the time.
Quote: "They gave you an assortment of electrical components, you can do whatever the hell you want with it."

I hope that's a joke or sarcasm, because while that may be true, that assortment of electronics is put together in a way that is copyrighted in a way that the company doesn't want you to change, how would you appreciate it if someone took something you made and replaced some of your components to make it better. That would be sort of like saying, "Your original design sucked, and my version of this is way better." THEN tried to sell your modified item to someone else and take the credit for the original design. Wouldn't appreciate it much, would you?

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What? You can't copyright it. If I buy something I can do whatever the hell I please to it! As far as I'm aware, nothing has been SOLD, and nobody has taken credit for it, so you're entire argument is based on a figment of your imagination.

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They are only doing it to try to prevent you to pirate their profits.
Its something they have to do or otherwise they will loose sales.
I doubt sony actually has an issue if you use it for legitimate means which dont cut into their profits.

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Quote: "I doubt sony actually has an issue if you use it for legitimate means which dont cut into their profits."


Precisely. Regardless, you can't hack a PS3 without owning one, thus profit is not lost.

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Quote: "thus profit is not lost."

they do however, also make money from selling games.

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Posted: 2nd May 2011 06:51 Edited at: 2nd May 2011 06:52
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Quote: "Yet another blatant troll comment. Keep your snide comments to yourself."

Or... a better idea... you can stop acting like you know everything about things you obviously haven't a clue what you are talking about.

Quote: "if you're seriously going to have a problem with me over a few emails sent 4 years ago when I was younger, seek therapy. "

His hate of you began from those emails 4 years ago.... It continues because of stupid things you still say today. You apparently are omniscient. You know everything (even the things you have far from any sort of clue about them). His reason of hating you today is the same reason I am annoyed by you. Stop acting like you know everything... At one point in time, I legitimately said "please stop" and you continued to defend yourself.

I know that enlightening trip you took back in '94 has spiritually awakened you, or some stupid crap like that, but just stop dude. Seriously. You aren't life experienced by any means. Am I life experienced? God no. So do I pretend to be? No. Why? Because, like you, I'm not. So stop.
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Posted: 2nd May 2011 07:33
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Quote: "someone took something you made and replaced some of your components to make it better. That would be sort of like saying, "Your original design sucked, and my version of this is way better." THEN tried to sell your modified item to someone else and take the credit for the original design. Wouldn't appreciate it much, would you?
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pretty damn good, they still bought it in the first place, and that means something
and if people can be creative with stuff i make, hell let them be creative


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I realise I'm just a troll, who has no right to be offended by things that happened in the past but I'd just like to quote from this ABC news report: "There was a number of early transactions on the 23rd of amounts under $1, which they say is the usual kind of test run that fraudsters do and then there's been a number of transactions of larger amounts, including domestic flights within Australia, bookings at Best Westerns [hotels] and what not,"

So it seems like my theory that they don't drain your card as quickly as possible is not as far fetched as my trolling made it sound.

Also, even though it's a giant pain to do so, I simply don't understand why people didn't cancel their cards as soon as they heard they might be compromised...

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Quote: "So it seems like my theory that they don't drain your card as quickly as possible is not as far fetched as my trolling made it sound."


Yeah It's like I said last night in closing;

Quote: "My advice to everyone caught up in this situation would be to listen to Sony, and keep an eye on your credit. Don't rely on the banks to do it for you. While yes, Sony did say there was no evidence that shows any credit information was compromised at this time, they also said they cannot rule out the possibility. Better safe than sorry."



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Quote: "They gave you an assortment of electrical components, you can do whatever the hell you want with it."


What makes you say that? They gave you exactly what you paid for, how its implemented is none of the end users concern. I can see the merit to free tinkering, but since the outcome is always destructive to the companies that make the console and the games, maybe you'd be better of just getting a PC.

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Quote: "since the software is usually payed for aswell, then there is no harm in modifying it either, re-realeasing something for free?"


I know it's said the End User license agreements are meaningless, but we all click that agree button... so we agree not to modify the software... Realistically if someone does it at home and doesn't share it Sony are not going to care... but I'm still behind Sony on their taking Geohotz to court...

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Quote: "I know it's said the End User license agreements are meaningless, but we all click that agree button... so we agree not to modify the software... Realistically if someone does it at home and doesn't share it Sony are not going to care... but I'm still behind Sony on their taking Geohotz to court..."


thats also true, it all comes down to that, what the developer had originally said.

Just saying what i believe it should be like really.. I do that a lot dont I? x)

also, needless to say i dont know much about this case all in all, who is Geohotz and whats going on really?


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Posted: 2nd May 2011 10:46
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Quote: "Just saying what i believe it should be like really.. I do that a lot dont I? x)"


I think it would be great if all software could be open source etc.. but I still believe in people getting paid for their time.. I make sure I donate to software I use if I they have that as an option... But many people don't... However, when the system is used for online gaming I feel their needs to be systems in place so that people who want to use bots/hacks/edited system software all play on different servers from those who want to play using skill...

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Quote: "I think it would be great if all software could be open source etc.. but I still believe in people getting paid for their time.. I make sure I donate to software I use if I they have that as an option... But many people don't... However, when the system is used for online gaming I feel their needs to be systems in place so that people who want to use bots/hacks/edited system software all play on different servers from those who want to play using skill..."


offcourse, but then the hacking thing shouldnt be punishing people on say LAN, since they might just want to muck about in it
also mods in online games are basicly what keeps them alive, as much as singel player.

and offcourse developers should get payed for their time, i definitly believe in that part, but then again i dont believe in charging for a game
then pumping out half assed DLCs for insane prices (what MW2 does for example, half assed map packs for ridiculous prises)
as this seems to have taken form, I just cant stand it. DLCs should be either free, or for a low price, the game Killing floor does this really well, the DLCs (character packs) goes for about 0.99$ per pack, and thats very reasonable in my opinion.

The ultimate way to go is the way that DDO does, when we are in the paying subject, as they give you a basic game for free
with the ability to EITHER, pay per month, OR you pay a amount of money, and getpoints, where you later on spend on say quest packs, races, classes and other stuff.

so you see there you have 3 options: free to play, with limitations. Pay for what you want, or pay for all of it.

meaning if you are going to play it for a long time, you might get off with the pay per month,since its cheaper than pay for what you want, however if you buy something it will always be there.

going a bit off topic now though arent we? =)


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Quote: "However, when the system is used for online gaming I feel their needs to be systems in place so that people who want to use bots/hacks/edited system software all play on different servers from those who want to play using skill..."


surely this would just make things worse, making it legal to hack matches would cause a whole lot more people to do it then what's stopping them from bringing there hacks back into the "fair" matches
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Quote: "surely this would just make things worse, making it legal to hack matches would cause a whole lot more people to do it then what's stopping them from bringing there hacks back into the "fair" matches
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I meant there would be some sort of system in place that lets people who hack play only with those who hack... and have servers for those who don't want to use hacks... I'm pretty sure PC gamers have been using systems like this for years...

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Quote: "I meant there would be some sort of system in place that lets people who hack play only with those who hack... and have servers for those who don't want to use hacks... I'm pretty sure PC gamers have been using systems like this for years..."

It sort of happens on PC but often hackers still join legal servers and go undetected by whatever anti hacking software there is.

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Valve games for example with the VAC system, not great but works^^ and if you do cheat u will be banned from all VAC servers


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VAC servers are great. I've never personally seen a cheater in a vac enabled server. It's a pretty big deterrent for cheaters.

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Quote: "They dont have your banking details!"


Guess again.

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Quote: "but then again i dont believe in charging for a game
then pumping out half assed DLCs for insane prices"


Nobody's forcing you to buy them, and they're not something you need to survive. If you don't like it, then don't buy it...it's that simple.

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Quote: "Nobody's forcing you to buy them, and they're not something you need to survive. If you don't like it, then don't buy it...it's that simple."

in most cases so very true, but lets get back to the MW2 example

there are maps
there is no map making support
no modding support what so ever
the amount of maps arent many
they pump out a half assed map pack, very expensive on the top of it.

you are right, iam not being forced to pay for it, but its crap dont you think?
ten years ago, and it would be patched in, now, we pay extra money for it?
i just dont like the concept.

if however, they make something more, like, an expansion, <with more maps> then darn it i'd buy it, offcourse! since an expansion offers more, than something a couple modders could have done, if they were allowed to


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Quote: "if you buy something, you should own it"

You do! You own a lovely, shiny, round piece of plastic with metallic film inset, which comes with its own convenient carry case!

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That new DLC for Black Ops looks good - I can see that selling well, and think that it deserves to. I have to agree though that we're seeing an increased 'lazyness' these days, and sometimes it get's rediculous, and sometimes it restricts the good things that some developers do for us. For example Valve giving away a free PC/MAC version of Portal 2 with the PS3 version - that's great, except for PSN is still down, so nobody can use that offer. What is gonna happen once PSN does come back up... maybe a free, terrible, worthless game that they can't sell on the store any longer. Even Atari are at it, TestDriveUnlimited2 - about 2 weeks of garbage networking and bugs, and a promise of some free DLC - nice compensation - but only if I'm still playing TDU2 when they decide to release the DLC.

Software consumers have their own ways of balancing things out... If there's no reliable network gaming option, if that becomes a luxury, then it'll be a luxury alongside paying £40 for a game instead of using cracked versions. How many people bought a PS3 because of it's free online gaming? - that right there is a reason to be bloody annoyed - if those people had bought a 360 instead, they would be online. It's like some people think that because PSN is free, that it's somehow pety to complain about it being down, as if Sony are some sort of charitable organisation!.

It's getting rediculous, they better have something nice planned to soothe PS3 owners, or I can seriously see the PS3 becomming the next victim of piracy swamping (like the Dreamcast).

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Posted: 2nd May 2011 18:04 Edited at: 2nd May 2011 18:07
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Phased Global Rollout of Services to Begin Regionally;
System Security Enhanced to Provide Greater Protection of Personal Information

Tokyo, May 1, 2011 – Sony Computer Entertainment (SCE) and Sony Network Entertainment International (SNEI, the company) announced they will shortly begin a phased restoration by region of PlayStation®Network and Qriocity™ services, beginning with gaming, music and video services to be turned on. The company also announced both a series of immediate steps to enhance security across the network and a new customer appreciation program to thank its customers for their patience and loyalty.

Following a criminal cyber-attack on the company’s data-center located in San Diego, California, U.S.A., SNEI quickly turned off the PlayStation Network and Qriocity services, engaged multiple expert information security firms over the course of several days and conducted an extensive audit of the system. Since then, the company has implemented a variety of new security measures to provide greater protection of personal information. SNEI and its third-party experts have conducted extensive tests to verify the security strength of the PlayStation Network and Qriocity services. With these measures in place, SCE and SNEI plan to start a phased rollout by region of the services shortly. The initial phase of the rollout will include, but is not limited to, the following:
•Restoration of Online game-play across the PlayStation®3 (PS3) and PSP® (PlayStation®Portable) systems
-This includes titles requiring online verification and downloaded games
•Access to Music Unlimited powered by Qriocity for PS3/PSP for existing subscribers
•Access to account management and password reset
•Access to download un-expired Movie Rentals on PS3, PSP and MediaGo
•PlayStation®Home
•Friends List
•Chat Functionality

Working closely with several outside security firms, the company has implemented significant security measures to further detect unauthorized activity and provide consumers with greater protection of their personal information. The company is also creating the position of Chief Information Security Officer, directly reporting to Shinji Hasejima, Chief Information Officer of Sony Corporation, to add a new position of expertise in and accountability for customer data protection and supplement existing information security personnel. The new security measures implemented include, but are not limited to, the following:
•Added automated software monitoring and configuration management to help defend against new attacks
•Enhanced levels of data protection and encryption
•Enhanced ability to detect software intrusions within the network, unauthorized access and unusual activity patterns
•Implementation of additional firewalls

The company also expedited an already planned move of the system to a new data center in a different location that has been under construction and development for several months. In addition, PS3 will have a forced system software update that will require all registered PlayStation Network users to change their account passwords before being able to sign into the service. As an added layer of security, that password can only be changed on the same PS3 in which that account was activated, or through validated email confirmation, a critical step to help further protect customer data.

The company is conducting a thorough and on-going investigation and working with law enforcement to track down and prosecute those responsible for the illegal intrusion.

“This criminal act against our network had a significant impact not only on our consumers, but our entire industry. These illegal attacks obviously highlight the widespread problem with cyber-security. We take the security of our consumers’ information very seriously and are committed to helping our consumers protect their personal data. In addition, the organization has worked around the clock to bring these services back online, and are doing so only after we had verified increased levels of security across our networks,” said Kazuo Hirai, Executive Deputy President, Sony Corporation. “Our global audience of PlayStation Network and Qriocity consumers was disrupted. We have learned lessons along the way about the valued relationship with our consumers, and to that end, we will be launching a customer appreciation program for registered consumers as a way of expressing our gratitude for their loyalty during this network downtime, as we work even harder to restore and regain their trust in us and our services.”

Complimentary Offering and “Welcome Back” Appreciation Program
While there is no evidence at this time that credit card data was taken, the company is committed to helping its customers protect their personal data and will provide a complimentary offering to assist users in enrolling in identity theft protection services and/or similar programs. The implementation will be at a local level and further details will be made available shortly in each region.

The company will also rollout the PlayStation Network and Qriocity “Welcome Back” program, to be offered worldwide, which will be tailored to specific markets to provide our consumers with a selection of service options and premium content as an expression of the company’s appreciation for their patience, support and continued loyalty.

Central components of the “Welcome Back” program will include:
•Each territory will be offering selected PlayStation entertainment content for free download. Specific details of this content will be announced in each region soon.
•All existing PlayStation Network customers will be provided with 30 days free membership in the PlayStation Plus premium service. Current members of PlayStation Plus will receive 30 days free service.
•Music Unlimited powered by Qriocity subscribers (in countries where the service is available) will receive 30 days free service.

Additional “Welcome Back” entertainment and service offerings will be rolled out over the coming weeks as the company returns the PlayStation Network and Qriocity services to the quality standard users have grown to enjoy and strive to exceed those exceptions.

SNEI will continue to reinforce and verify security for transactions before resuming the PlayStation®Store and other Qriocity operations, scheduled for this month."



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Posted: 2nd May 2011 18:08
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Guess again
They dont have your banking details they simply state that they may have some parts of your card number!
And the stated that they are sure that they dont have your security number on the back of the card that you verify your purchases with.
So they dont have you magnetic stripe or the backsides security number !
How are they going to use it with only the card number from the front?
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may I point out, that when you buy a game, you're not buying the code or the right to mod it, you're simply buying the right to play it, the disk is just a bonus.

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didnt we pointt hat out a few posts ago? x)


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anyone else heard this rather bull smelling rumour that sony 'asked' microsoft for help and are now planning to charge for PSN.

just to clear this up, that is the most retarded rumour i have ever heard.


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Posted: 2nd May 2011 19:01
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No, but apparently Osama Bin Laden isn't really dead, it's just a government cover up and...easter bunnies...tooth fairy.


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dunno, haven't read it all, too many posts coming up far too fast to be bothered with.

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Posted: 2nd May 2011 19:03 Edited at: 2nd May 2011 19:04
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edit: sorry, tried to post in wrong thread

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I'm lucky I have xbox live instead
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