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I havent been on much and i really too tired to continue reading the rest of this... it apperently transformed into a new debat.

I would like to take the car example and elaborate. I own a dodge that i love. Dodge doesnt care that i take my 318 and modify it or do what i wish with it. Dodge would get get pissed if i created a new engine based off 318 blueprints and sell them. When software (IP) is created its intended for use by and individual for there own enjoyment, productivity, etc. They are not selling the use of thier hard work for you to dismantle and steal. They are creating an intended use for you to enjoy. When you buy a game from the store or the internet its for your enjoyment. Not for you to dismantle and make money off of. Its not a corprate conspiracy when a company sells you the right to enjoy their ip and not the ip itself. They are protecting thier ip and its integrity as a product they can sell to more then just you.

Actual hardware is the same way. Cyrix was sued by intel back in the day for reverse engineering their processors and creating an imitaion. This was wrong because cyrix making money by riding on the backs of Intels labor and design. At some point this falls through because progress is made from improving yesterdays technology. Just think though: If you were to post a model up on the 3d thread and tomarrow i took your model and put a hat on it and said it was mine and started selling it, you would probably be upset. If i was to do that and then just show you or use it for my own personal use you wouldnt care less. Thats how licenses work. You cant own the IP you use the end product. If you wanted to do more to the product you would be paying for the labor and effort that goes into creating the IP.... so you would be spending millions on a game.

I understand your reasoning (sort of).. you paid for the disk and you have it in your hand so why cant you do what you like with it?

As stated before though :
1) In most cases you promised you wouldnt by excepting a license agreement.

2) Just because you buy it doesnt mean you own the IP content of it.

3) You wouldnt want the same thing to happen to you would you?


Im not sure what else to add really. If we lived in a socialist economy this would make sense but we dont. I believe that there is a value and pride in personal creative ownership and a satisfaction in self achievement that shouldnt be taken away from ppl or companies. Unless you want a meaningless existance as an ant were your just another brick in the wall.

EDIT: I went ahead and read the rest... lol this is covered. But hopefully this brings more insight to why license agreements are used and why they are important.
If not well hey...

While I would say that ppl should be greatful for getting a "free" game, the game isnt exactly free.. You paid ~400 bucks for the setup... (at least thats what i paid for a system and some controllers and a game) With the ability to play online. When they shut the service down you werent able to use the equiptment to its intended extent and were of course not getting what you paid for. More realistically though, it sounds as if Sony is doing good business by saying:"Hey if we mess up, we'll help make it right. If we cant we'll make it worth your while to stay with us." So really users are deserving of this. When you fork over half a grand in hardware you expect it to make you happy. I cant enjoy this though.. lol.. my ps3 was pirated from my house a year and a half ago. By a real pirate who broke into my house and took it. Along with a full set of brakes and exhaust for my truck... at about 700 bucks. Not much sony can do about that.

Tell that to all the PSP Go owners whose systems don't play regular UMDs! Their only option is to get their content from the PSN! Are you saying that they don't deserve some kind of restitution?

A lot of businesses do this. McDonald's is the most recent in my life (although it didn't happen to me directly). Someone ordered a Big Mac and got someone elses order (while that guy got the Big Mac). They both went up to the counter (at seperate times ofc) and complained. McDonald's gave them what they ordered and told them to keep the food. They don't have to, they aren't obligated to do that. They gave you bad service, so as a way to amend that and fix the situation, they got free food.

Yeah at first they just said PSN was down for a few days for "Maintenance" then it transpired the network had been hacked and people's personal details were at risk, even though i use a prepaid credit card to protect my details online i still changed my PSN password just to be extra safe. I might even delete the account and just go for XBox instead.

You have to change your password anyway. I still trust PSN though, just because it's free doesn't mean it's unreliable. It had to happen sometime, just like a few years back when MW1 came out, XBL was hacked and i think it was down for a couple of weeks, everyone seemed fine then, now every Xbox fanboy is raging with happiness cause PSN got hacked and now we will probably never hear the end of it in a 360 vs. PS3 debate.

Crispex. Why did you buy a PS3 instead of a 360?

Now, a lot of people bought a PS3 instead of a 360 because the online is free, that's a good reason to choose PS3 over 360, at least for 10 months out of that last year. All these people who choose the PS3 for that reason have a lot to gripe about.

If I bought an iPad, then it just wouldn't let me download apps for over a month - I'd feel like Apple were due me some sort of recompence. Buy some hardware to fulfill a task, if it can't fulfill that task, then you have statutory rights to protect you.

The store isn't even up yet - so its not like we're talking about that thing that happened to Sony - it's still going. If the PS3 was my only console, then I'd be hella annoyed - it might be easier for us as we all have PC's. For other people, they bought the PS3 because of no online fee's, they don't own a PC, and believe me, a lot of PS3 owners are like this. So I think people are perfectly justified in expecting something back, something to say thanks for sticking with Sony through some bad times. If they did nothing, then they'd loose customers, if PS3 owners didn't think Sony would make it up, then a lot of them would have jumped ship before now. The promise of free stuff makes it easier to deal with, we are as entitled to it, we pay good money for software and hardware, keeping Sony in business. Console manufacturer's can stand to show a bit more appreciation to their customers, all of them.

Honestly, I bought a PS3 because I've never liked Xbox's controller design. That's the best way I can explain it. I grew up on PlayStation, and I never felt the need to own anything else.

I don't like how people feel entitled. I have a problem with people who feel entitled to things that they are not. You guys think that I think nothing should be paid back. DOES Sony have to give you anything? No. SHOULD they? Yes. They should, but the ones who get angry are the naive ones who think that companies are all about moral backbone. Sony has offered to give free games in compensation for the downtime, and they did it to help build back up trust. Does it eliminate the fact that millions of users were compromised? Of course not. There is no significant thing they can do, short of refunding your money for your PS3, that can change the fact that it happened. They admitted (late, yes) that they were hacked, and apologized for it. What the hell do people really expect them to do? Send you a masseuse to make you feel better?

It was an inconvenience for me to have to wait for PSN to come up, but at the end of the day I realized that they learned from this, and realized they have fairly large security issues they had to fix. I am grateful for the fact that they took the time to fix it, rather than saying, "you MIGHT be hacked."

I have an interesting way of thinking on things, but I will gladly explain why I think the way I do, for anyone who asks. In summary, I feel that people are too critical. I understand that people spend their hard earned money, but mistakes happen. It's like when a business first opens up, say a sandwich shop, who gives you the wrong change. Does it happen? Yes. Is it annoying? Yes. People need room to learn from their mistakes. No matter how large a company is, or how many people are involved, mistakes will ALWAYS happen.

As for the reasons behind the hack, not justified. If you buy something, you have the right to do what you want with it, while respecting those who produced it. If you want to chuck your PS3 out the window, be my guest. However, what gives you the right to reverse engineer someone else's hard work? If he would have gone to Sony and told them, and not made it public, then he would have been doing a favor. However he released the code, effectively making free games available. Games that people have spent their time developing, so they could make money and put food on the table. The biggest thing with piracy, is that people see the view of, "Oh, the company that produces it makes millions." Yet, nobody thinks of the small guys who don't get paid as well as the big executives.

Anyway, that's just my thoughts.

I Bought a PS3 for the same reasons as Crispex, i like the controller design and i've grew up on Playstation, my first console was the PS1 and i kept it for about 10 years till i decided that it was time to sell it because i got my 10 times better PS2 and PSP and they both have better games and graphics then the PS1 ever could have. Then i got my PS3, never regretted that since i got it, even when PSN went down, i'm not too big on video games, i find the creating aspect more interesting than actually playing them. Ever since i got about 11 or 12 then i lost alot of my interest in video games since i found that i can make my own to my own preference than put up with the developer's preference.