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Geek Culture / Google Plus: Facebook's Rival

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Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 5th Jul 2011 21:43
I can't believe nobody's posted about this yet.

Yes, while the rise of another new social networking tool is becoming more of an annoying news feature than a cool announcement, Google's recently revealed that they're making a new site, aptly named "Google+". It's currently in closed beta and even if you somehow manage to obtain an invite to it, you won't get in; all of the available slots have been taken (or at least that's the rumor).

You can take an interactive tour here. Here's what I really like about the idea of Google+.

-Circles. Imagine how you keep your friends in real life; in circles. You have a circle for close friends, one for acquaintances, one for co-workers, and one for your boss (smart move). This idea, while requiring a little more work initially, is a really good one in my opinion. Especially since you can share things with INDIVIDUAL GROUPS. Say, for instance, you want to share your family photos with only your family. No problem, just go to that circle and share away without fear of your co-workers seeing photos of your embarrassingly drunken Uncle Marty dressed as Santa hitting on everything and everybody in the living room! The rumors won't get around and you'll still have an intact professional look on your resume. +1 to Google for that!

But, as with everything, there is one unfortunate thing about this; people can still share your posts with others. While this seems like a bad thing, keep in mind that there's simply NO WAY to prevent the sharing of any content whatsoever. People can screen grab, print, share, email and do all sorts of other crap to share potentially awkward photos/postings with ANYBODY. This is why you should be smart and not post risque photos of your self anywhere. So, stop complaining about "privacy issues" (obviously you've got some if you insist on displaying your privates on the internet!) and post with intelligence! Post with netiquette!

-Huddle. This is similar to group chatting, but from your phone in a texting fashion. Not much else to say on it except that I think it will be incredibly useful.

-Instant Upload. IF you decide to use this, every photo you snap on your phone automatically uploads to a PRIVATE album on your Plus account. Granted, I really don't like the sound of it, but it does let you choose what photos to post, and they're not viewable to everyone until you publish them yourself. So really, it's almost like a back-up folder to your pictures. Just keep in mind that if you're doing something...ah...risque with your phone, it'll be uploaded...so be careful!

I personally am not thrilled about Instant Upload, but I can see where it could be useful. -1 to Google on this, I hope they make it so you can turn it off when you don't want to use it (presumably you can just close the Google+ app on your phone).

-Hangouts. Group video chats! Because we all know how popular those really are...still though, nifty idea, and if it's a group of friends who haven't been able to talk face-to-face for a while as they're away at college, it'll be used a lot. +1 to Google for getting something right the first time, unlike Facebook...

Alright, so research it for yourself and tell me what you think! I'm signing up as soon as possible, and I'm really hoping Google is smart with it and makes it less like facebook. What's funny is that Mark Zuckerburg has joined it...so even he thinks it's better!


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Indicium
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Posted: 5th Jul 2011 21:51
Sounds great, I love pretty much everything google do, they haven't really done anything wrong at all in my eyes. :3

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Posted: 5th Jul 2011 22:10
now, obviously I wouldn't reduce the tone, but this made me laugh


Otherwise, Might try it, simply because I hate facebook
Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 5th Jul 2011 23:09
I hate facebook as well. Their most recent upgrade involved linking chat to the message inbox. Within a month after that, they lost over 6 MILLION users, because they got fed up with FB's crap. Much like I am right now. If Google+ is as good as I hope it will be, it may be the facebook killer I've needed for a while now.


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Posted: 5th Jul 2011 23:10
I hate facebook, it is the most un-intuitive website I've ever visited. I struggle to find my friends and send messages to them and have trouble finding a game that I played last time I was on. I get bombarded with pointless messages (mainly from games) and people's pathetic wall comments and status updates. Google+ seems much better designed from what I can gather, if it is better I hope people leave facebook because I'd rather not use it.

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Posted: 5th Jul 2011 23:35
maybe you struggle because your actually a technophobe
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Posted: 5th Jul 2011 23:40
Quote: "Instant Upload"
You'll think twice about taking a photo of your arse cheek to see if that mole looks malignant with that kind of service!

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Quote: "maybe you struggle because your actually a technophobe "

Isn't the point of Facebook that it should be easily accessible to as wide an audience as possible?
In this case I probably am being a technophobe because I can't be bothered to learn how to use a site that I think could be a lot simpler.

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Posted: 5th Jul 2011 23:51
Facebook's UI has been gettng steadily worse as time progresses. Chat latency has only increased from what I can see, and occasionally if I click a notification, Facebook brings me to my status where all the likes and comments I was receiving notifications for no longer exist and then deletes the notification too.

It basically made me believe I was spending too much time on it and having like-mirages, so I decided to leave it. I glance at it now and then.

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I don't think it'll catch on. I'll personally never switch unless all of my less computer-savvy friends and family members start using it, and I don't see why they would when they've already used Facebook for so long now. It's not a great system, but as long as it provides the means to communicate with and keep track of other people, it's usable enough for me.



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Posted: 6th Jul 2011 00:13 Edited at: 6th Jul 2011 00:13
Quote: "I don't think it'll catch on."


I agree. The internet is just a passing fad.

Brian.

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Posted: 6th Jul 2011 00:16
IME, FB is a plague only slightly below the calibre of WoW. I can only say that I'm glad to see it slowly dissolving, but to be replaced by Google? That I am not "glad" to see, but at the same time I'm not upset. I'll take a look at it, but I won't be expecting much that wasn't already obviously needed for social networking.

Now if only my family and friends would move away from FB.


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Posted: 6th Jul 2011 00:24
is it just me who thinks google + is facebook with google...?

and really: iam not switching to it unless i somehow manage to GET EVERYONE of my friends on there, including every company i follow on facebook.

this new thing is just as unnecessary as facebook is: we have myspace etc already.

I use facebook for posting what matters to me to my friends, i dont chat on it or post "today i watched TV, it was fun"

for chatting i use Skype and MSN

i dont need a blend of the two, i did intend to check it out, but the beta is full, but in all honestly i see nothing new/revolutionary about it...

and for the record, I am a man.

Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 6th Jul 2011 00:28
How would it not catch on?

Facebook lost over 6 million users in a month because people are getting sick of them changing everything around and not caring about privacy. 6 million users is pretty substantial, especially considering it happened in a month. I think the introduction of a new networking site (with the added advantage of a name everyone and their cats are familiar with) will be quite welcome, and I think a lot of people will switch over to it. I don't see it dying anytime soon (I also don't see facebook dying anytime soon, just getting less and less users).


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Posted: 6th Jul 2011 00:31
Checked it out... it seems the only "innovations" going on here are organizational ones. I can see that being useful for many people, but only people that have TONS AND TONS of family and friends that are also on it. I can see women requiring these organizational tools more than men, but maybe that's just me being stereotypical.

All in all, I wouldn't use it. Everyone knows my email... everyone that needs it knows my phone number... if you can't keep track of what to say to me because I'm lumped into some circle with 68 other people, don't bother talking to me. I have few friends, the people that matter to me. They know how to text, email, and call (preferably call, because I don't like informalities such as text and email amongst friends)

I believe in the old saying "don't fix what ain't broke". I believe in innovation, though, but on a larger scale than what most companies do these days.


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Posted: 6th Jul 2011 00:38
I agree. Why go through all this crap if you can text who you really need to talk to?

"But what if you don't know all their information?"

Put it in your contacts.

"But what if you want to show them a picture?"

E-mail it. Takes longer but at least you don't have to worry about dumb circles.

"Uploading pictures from phones to computers are hard!"

No it's not. Cell phones are made entirely for the simpleness, you're just being an idiot.

Indicium
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Posted: 6th Jul 2011 00:52
I like facebook, quit the hating.

Benjamin
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Quote: "How would it not catch on?

Facebook lost over 6 million users in a month because people are getting sick of them changing everything around and not caring about privacy."


I'm willing to bet that most of those users are experienced computer users and use other software to communicate with those friends, not the kind of people many use FB to communicate with. I don't think casual computer users really care about a dodgy feature here or there (or whether there's something better), as long as the system works more or less as it's meant to and all of their friends/family use it.



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Posted: 6th Jul 2011 05:18
I looked at the interactive tour, and thought it was awful. Not something I would use at all...

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Posted: 6th Jul 2011 08:34
it'll just be another cess pool of target marketers..

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I haven't used FB on a computer in ages. Mainly I use my phone, which is fine. But lately I've been getting annoying spam from an old app I used years ago. So I went to change the settings. And apart from anything else I just *cannot* see how to view all my apps in that wall that used to exist. I've tried everything... I had one app, for example, that gave random Chuck Norris quotes out. Can I see it? Can I hell! And I've really given it a bit of an effort too. Think I'll rip up that CS degree... Honestly WTF? Really hate FB...

So yeah, in a nutshell, I wouldn't mind trying G+. Sounds interesting, and hopefully not such a complicated mess that FB has become. And with any luck my first thoughts will not be "Good God, this is rubbish. Esp after my girlfriend said how great it was. We could have programmed this years ago when MUDS were considered cutting edge...." this time.

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Posted: 6th Jul 2011 12:15
Quote: "I like facebook, quit the hating."


It's a document-style site that claims to be revolutionary (or at least, it did), everybody talks about it, every company wants you to follow them on it, when you go there all you can see are ads, searching through it is painful, getting them to stop emailing you about every -- single -- insignificant -- thing -- is painful... what's not to hate?

Quote: "Good God, this is rubbish. Esp after my girlfriend said how great it was. We could have programmed this years ago when MUDS were considered cutting edge...."


Yeeeeeeah, what he said!


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Posted: 6th Jul 2011 14:10
Quote: "It's a document-style site that claims to be revolutionary (or at least, it did), everybody talks about it, every company wants you to follow them on it, when you go there all you can see are ads, searching through it is painful, getting them to stop emailing you about every -- single -- insignificant -- thing -- is painful... what's not to hate?"

Maybe the fact that you can keep in touch with relatives, friends, people you haven't seen in years, and in general just everyone you know, better, easier, and faster than just about any other possible way?

Yes clearly facebook is terrible because there are ads and it isn't a great website layout. It's what it DOES that makes it great... not how it LOOKS.

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Posted: 6th Jul 2011 15:03
I don't notice any spam emails because I have facebook set up on an email account I don't use. It's an easy way to keep in touch with the people you know.

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Well I love facebook and I hate change, so I won't be switching

No but seriously, most of my closest friends are people I get to meet face to face about once a week at most, so facebook is worth its weight in gold to us. Also, I dunno what you guys are talking about tons of ads, I just clicked onto it and I can't see a single one

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Posted: 6th Jul 2011 15:41
Quote: "when you go there all you can see are ads,"


YOU LIIIE, YOUU LIIIIIIIEEEEE
the ads are a small box, probably about 100x100 pixels large in the right corner. below the middle in the Y axis aswell, and thats "all you can see"?

comeon >_>

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Yodaman Jer
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Posted: 6th Jul 2011 18:32
Yeah, there's actually not that many ads on facebook. Gotta give 'em credit for that.

Quote: "Maybe the fact that you can keep in touch with relatives, friends, people you haven't seen in years, and in general just everyone you know, better, easier, and faster than just about any other possible way?

Yes clearly facebook is terrible because there are ads and it isn't a great website layout. It's what it DOES that makes it great... not how it LOOKS."


This is also a good point. Facebook is a fantastic way to keep in touch with those who you otherwise would have no idea how to find/reach. And while this is a good thing, facebook is still losing users because they keep changing things around, making it hard to do the things you once could. They change the functionality of messaging, chat and change profile layouts and make them illogical. Compared to one of Facebook's older designs, the new design is a headache, over-cluttered and pain to navigate. If they would revert to one of their older designs, I think they'd be in a better boat than they're in.


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Quote: " "when you go there all you can see are ads,""


ADBLOCK FTW



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I personally dont support Adblock at all, because it hurts the industry

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BMacZero
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Posted: 6th Jul 2011 22:05
I agree with Obese et. al. I joined Facebook about a month ago and I hate it. The layout is extremely clunky. As far as I'm concerned Google's only obstacle will be getting a public who has grown used to dealing with this layout to switch over.

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Quote: " Circles makes it easy to put your friends from Saturday night in one circle, your parents in another, and your boss in a circle by himself, just like real life."


And I'm sold.

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Posted: 6th Jul 2011 22:28 Edited at: 6th Jul 2011 22:30
Quote: "Their most recent upgrade involved linking chat to the message inbox."

I HATE that! It doesn't work half the time. When I press <enter> it's a toss up of whether it'll send the message or just make a new line. Wanna write a long email to someone? No luck if they're online, because it'll just open a tiny chat text box with no send button (hence the above problem).

The UI has always been terrible along with privacy like when they make a change and revert all your privacy settings back to default, thus opening your content up to the internet. I keep my account private and hidden from search results for a reason. My stalker managed to find me not by search results on FB but through Google. Apparently any post I make on TGC's facebook page will show up in google search results and she was able to find my profile that way. That ended with a call to police and a threat to file a restraining order. FB needs to adopt what I call "KIPS"; Keep It Private Stupid!

Don't even get me started on the privacy/security of apps...


I know what some people will say, if you don't like it then don't use. FB has helped me make contact with some old friends. Why this worked better than MySpace (way to go justin timberlake) is because more people use their real names on FB than Myspace.

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You have a stalker? Dawwwwwwww.

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Don't know if anybody's mentioned this, I'm not following this thread too closely, but in case you didn't hear video calling is coming to Facebook. Why? Obviously to combat Google Plus.

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Yay! Once this goes public I'll be signing up. People have been bugging me to get a facebook, but I always declined with the idea that social networking sites are for the socially challenged (in high school that is). Now it's more its UI that bugs me. In short, looking forward to Google+!

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Quote: "Yes clearly facebook is terrible because there are ads"


I'll accept this as sarcasm. Ads are not horrible, they allow many different venues to reach out to potential customers that would have otherwise never known they existed.

Quote: "the ads are a small box, probably about 100x100 pixels large in the right corner. below the middle in the Y axis aswell, and thats "all you can see"?"


Clearly I was using hyperbole with the "all you can see" bit, but last time I checked the ads were not restricted below the immediate viewing pane of the site, and nearly every area (bar profile and wall) had 3-10 ads lining the right margin. When the ads' extension down the page increases the vertical length of the page, I see a problem. Sure, they're small, but they're in numbers.


I have actually used Facebook to advertise, and while it was a great way for me to advertise for pennies on the dollar, seeing ads provided to me while surfing FB that had nothing to do with my interests, I question their ability to deliver to the targeted audience as they claim to be capable of doing.

Keep in mind, I've avoided using facebook personally for a long long time, so things have likely changed. But, hey, it was that first impression that kept me away for this long, and judging by comments regarding the interface, I'm not missing much.


Quote: "ADBLOCK FTF"


Fixed.


Quote: "Maybe the fact that you can keep in touch with relatives, friends, people you haven't seen in years, and in general just everyone you know, better, easier, and faster than just about any other possible way?"


Forgive me if I'm out of the loop, but isn't this social networking in a nutshell? This is not facebook exclusive by a long shot, and aren't we talking facebook vs. google+?
Besides, "better, easier, and faster" are all opinions on the subject. I vote picking up the phone and calling me would be "better, easier, and faster".


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Quote: "Keep in mind, I've avoided using facebook personally for a long long time, so things have likely changed."


The ads do seem a lot more targeted recently, for example if I have a status update about Mcdonald's, for example, there will be McDonalds's related ads.

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Quote: "Clearly I was using hyperbole with the "all you can see" bit, but last time I checked the ads were not restricted below the immediate viewing pane of the site, and nearly every area (bar profile and wall) had 3-10 ads lining the right margin. When the ads' extension down the page increases the vertical length of the page, I see a problem. Sure, they're small, but they're in numbers."

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggghh not even going to bother arguing

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Quote: "for example if I have a status update about Mcdonald's, for example, there will be McDonalds's related ads."


That's pretty cool, sounds like it is targetting a bit better now. Back when I used it, apparently making a status update about games meant targetting me with Goodyear tires, college, and dating ads (which didn't make any sense to me since my profile clearly said I was in a relationship )


As far as google+ goes, I wish them luck. I hope it doesn't turn out to be another "wave" of excitement and then crash and burn.


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Posted: 8th Jul 2011 05:49
For those that complain about all the emails from Facebook, you can turn that stuff off. In fact, I have everything fully set on my Facebook account and I don't get any unwanted emails from anything. Since I work for a Facebook games company, I install a lot of games and don't notice anything annoying.

I don't see anything wrong with using BOTH services, anyways. Why not?

And that whole circles concept has been in Facebook already for ages. You can make groups of people and when you post something you can make it appear for a specific group. Again, haters wanting to hate on something that doesn't make everything blatantly in your face and obvious.

I won't sign up for Google+ because it doesn't support Google Apps users, though. What the hell?


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Really? People think FB is revolutionary? Grief, it was a practical copy of MySpace if you ask me, and really the only "revolutionary" bit was allowing people to be able to write their own (rather pants) apps.

I honestly thought (in 2007) when I first used FB that it was a huge let down and hardly a revolutionary step forward. I guess I've used MUDS and chatrooms since about 1990, so it didn't seem such a great leap, but really when I see something revolutionary I think "Good God, I wouldn't know where to start programming that!" rather than "Really? Goddamn it we could have programmed this in a drunken weekend back at Uni rather than wasting time playing Kickoff 2 and doing sprite routines in STOS!". Heh, I remember a PHD student back in 1992 or so writing what was basically an old school Zelda looking MMORPG for his main project. Essentially he called it a graphical MUD at the time. Should have carried it on...

On the other hand FB is a simple tool to get in touch with people from the past you haven't seen in years, and a good place to store pictures. Apart from that it's a pain to keep up with things. I only have about 80 friends on it and it's a chore just to scroll through whatever they blather on about. My wife has about 300 and it's nuts. She just ignores (potentially important) stuff including emails all the time.

Roll on G+ I say. If it makes a lot simpler and easier to see important stuff, and doesn't look like a project you could have chucked together in the 90's, then good stuff I say

Cheers

But yes, good point there about why not use both. A lot of people get all uppety about things, but at the end of the day it's a free social networking site. Whatever. It's not your mum. Bit like IE, Chrome etc (going to angry because I didn't mention one?...). Yawn. I just think it totally doesn't impress much on the technical level

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Posted: 8th Jul 2011 11:57 Edited at: 8th Jul 2011 12:06
Quote: "Forgive me if I'm out of the loop, but isn't this social networking in a nutshell? This is not facebook exclusive by a long shot, and aren't we talking facebook vs. google+?
Besides, "better, easier, and faster" are all opinions on the subject. I vote picking up the phone and calling me would be "better, easier, and faster"."

I don't see how that is an opinion by any means actually. With Facebook, I can talk to about 100 people in five minutes... With a phone, maybe 1 person in five minutes. Obviously a phone is a more personal level of a communication; however, I would like to see you share photos with friends and family in excess the way you can on Facebook. I have about 115 friends on Facebook... I probably know 50 of their numbers. I can invite dozens of people on Facebook to an event and it would take about 2 minutes. That would take far longer to do if I was to call each one. Yes I could send a text out to each one, but the character limit on Facebook far exceeds a texts'.

And yes, it is social networking in a nutshell. I never said it wasn't. But everyone uses Facebook. Facebook has 640,000,000 registered users, opposed to Myspace's 100,000,000+. I thought this was an obvious argument. It's far easier to get in touch with someone on Facebook than it is every other social networking site... why? Because just about everyone has Facebook.

Facebook is incredibly basic, simple, and fast. That's why it's the largest social networking site. It doesn't look magnificent. It doesn't have beautiful colors and crazy home pages that seem to cause massive slow downs on just about every computer I've used like Myspace does.

Quote: "I guess I've used MUDS and chatrooms since about 1990, so it didn't seem such a great leap, but really when I see something revolutionary I think "Good God, I wouldn't know where to start programming that!" rather than "Really? Goddamn it we could have programmed this in a drunken weekend back at Uni rather than wasting time playing Kickoff 2 and doing sprite routines in STOS!"

Really?! Come on that's just ridiculous. Just because Facebook is a simple concept at it's core, doesn't mean creating it wasn't revolutionary. Someone created a way for hundreds of millions of people to communicate with each other. I'm sure if you had that "drunken" idea, you would have stopped what you were doing and immediately started working on creating it.

[edit] I'm not some Facebook fanatic by any means, by the way. I just think it's silly to think Facebook is stupid because it has ads, and other sites like it.

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Posted: 8th Jul 2011 17:35 Edited at: 8th Jul 2011 17:35
I'd like to see an open source p2p social networking service written so that any joe can use it. Almost like a torrent client with fancy features like upnp so my grandpa could run a node.

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Posted: 8th Jul 2011 17:58
Quote: "Really?! Come on that's just ridiculous. Just because Facebook is a simple concept at it's core, doesn't mean creating it wasn't revolutionary"
Seriously? If Myspace didn't exist then fair enough...

Quote: "Someone created a way for hundreds of millions of people to communicate with each other"
All I'm saying is the technology had been there for years, it was hardly like, say, video calls in 1975, plus even the main idea fully existed before (MySpace). It's a bit like crediting Apple with inventing the mouse, phone, tablet, computer etc.

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Posted: 8th Jul 2011 20:20
though they'd have you believe that


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Posted: 9th Jul 2011 04:49
Quote: "With Facebook, I can talk to about 100 people in five minutes... With a phone, maybe 1 person in five minutes."


Your phone doesn't allow conference calls? Absurd!

On the other hand, I wouldn't make a conference call to any of these groups just to tell them what I ate for breakfast or shoot out a picture of how "awesome" I look with a necktie. Because I do believe no body would care. Just the same as I don't care what somebody else ate for breakfast or how "awesome" they look wearing whatever.

Quote: "Facebook is incredibly basic, simple, and fast."


Basic? Yes. Simple? Possibly. Fast? No.

Simplicity comes after usage. If I hopped on facebook right now after not having used it for so long (or better yet, having jumped on for the first time ever), the environment given to you is not ergonomic or innovative to the point that anyone can use it straitaway. The interface and how to get around is learned over time much like anything else, and depending on the individual, this learning curve will be either steep or fairly shallow. Either way, there is a learning curve for newcomers.

Fast? Hardly. I am not the kind of person that has MILLIONS or whatever "friends" on facebook, and I have a hard time sifting through all this crap that people are trying to say to whatever group they've put me in. After a while, whenever someone would actually approach me in REALITY and ask me "did you see that thing I sent you on facebook?" I would kindly respond with "No, I didn't, what was it?" and after the 2 second rundown of what it was, I'd wrap it up with "Now wasn't that easier?"

Quote: "In fact, I have everything fully set on my Facebook account and I don't get any unwanted emails from anything."


This holds true, but if I ever happen to open facebook in a browser, they suddenly have an uncontrollable urge to send me an email "welcoming me back" to facebook, and for whatever reason erasing all of my settings concerning "don't email me", particularly about farmville that my aunt has been sucked into.

I finally ended up filtering facebook emails into the junk folder manually, because just clicking "junk" for them didn't stop them from coming through.

If their filtering system works for you, that's awesome, but it doesn't for me and that's why I avoid it.


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Posted: 9th Jul 2011 05:25
Quote: "Fast? No."

Have you not used Facebook before? What on Earth are you doing on there? It is fast. How in God's name is it slow by any means? Obviously it takes a long time if you are going to sit and read EVERY single post a person makes. But who really reads every single news feed post anyways? If someone wanted to say something directly to you, they would post it on YOUR wall and send you a message directly. If they didn't do that, then really is no reason to sit and read the news feed.
If you are saying it's slow because people take a long time to respond... then no duh. Facebook isn't meant to be used as an instant form of communication. It's far easier to invite a load of people on Facebook, than it is to call each and everyone up. For instance... I'm going to Tahoe in a few weeks. Instead of calling every single person I am inviting, I created a group, selected their names, made a post and that was it... Didn't take me 5 minutes to do. Within about 3 hours, every one that was invited had given me a response and I didn't have to spend more than 5 minutes. Yet somehow calling 35 people on the phone is faster than that? Weird, I must be stuck in some sort of time wormhole or something. You being slow at Facebook... does NOT make Facebook slow.

Quote: "Your phone doesn't allow conference calls? Absurd!"

No... it really actually doesn't. And not all of my friends have phones that allow it either. Yet every single one of them has a Facebook account. And that's not uncommon, at least not where I live. I can't honestly say I've ever had a friend that even knew how to make a conference call.
Technically... I don't even have a phone either. I have an ipod touch that I text with. It doesn't cost anything and all I need is a wifi connection... which is just about anywhere I go.

Quote: "Simplicity comes after usage. If I hopped on facebook right now after not having used it for so long (or better yet, having jumped on for the first time ever), the environment given to you is not ergonomic or innovative to the point that anyone can use it straitaway. The interface and how to get around is learned over time much like anything else, and depending on the individual, this learning curve will be either steep or fairly shallow. Either way, there is a learning curve for newcomers."

Really? It doesn't take more than 3 minutes to figure out every feature Facebook even has. If my 7 year old second cousin can figure everything from uploading pictures, to groups, to... well anything else on Facebook... in one day, mind you... I think I can say that just about everyone else can too.

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Posted: 9th Jul 2011 05:43
I feel like google is making sure the internet is awesome, and they do so many great things. I'll be getting this, and hindestly this might be the first social network thing I used to network. Facebook is just... there. If it weren't on my smartphone, I would never check it. Ever.

My biggest fear is Google taking over the internet simply because they make the best and easiest to use of everything, and then they turn evil on us.

No matter how amazing google is and the fact that they've gotten me to be 80% online with my computer use (the other 20% being photoshop), is scary.


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Posted: 9th Jul 2011 05:49
@RedneckRambo:

Clearly you and I live with differing demographics regarding facebook. While most everyone I know do indeed have a facebook account, not everyone sits there and reads updates from friends 24/7. If I call someone to invite them somewhere (perhaps an impromptu movie night), I get an answer immediately. Combine this with a conference call to my friends, I have an answer from everyone immediately, can discuss details, hear opinions, etc. on the fly. Mind you, none of my friends are foreign to the idea of a conference call, and many times expect it. As far as I'm aware, picking up the phone for a conference call doesn't mandate that their phone be capable of making one.

What kind of calls you make, how you approach a call with your friends is unique to you. It may take you an hour to convince your friends to head to a movie via phone, but it takes me 4 minutes to sort out where we're going, when we're going, who's going, and what, if anything, people should bring.

That is fast. That is efficient. Answering the phone and using your natural voice is far more simple than anything the internet could provide.


I have not advertised that what I'm saying towards/against facebook be considered fact. My experience denotes my opinion of the site. If you like it, use it. I don't like it, therefore I don't use it.
Is that not what this thread is for? To see other people's opinions on the matter? If it's not, I would have appreciated some heads up before making my statements here.

Google+ is offering what appears to be a more streamlined approach to the social networking scene even though they're offering few "new" aspects to it. This may work out for them, or it may turn out that people view it as a monopolizing regime on Google's part and refuse to take part. I don't know, but I personally won't be attending for the same reasons I don't use any other social networking site -- because I have a proven method of communication that everyone I know uses and doesn't conflict with any other forms of communication they use (ie facebook, myspace, possibly google+ in the future).


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