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Geek Culture / Google Plus: Facebook's Rival

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RedneckRambo
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Posted: 9th Jul 2011 06:12
Quote: "What kind of calls you make, how you approach a call with your friends is unique to you. It may take you an hour to convince your friends to head to a movie via phone, but it takes me 4 minutes to sort out where we're going, when we're going, who's going, and what, if anything, people should bring.
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Dude, I don't use Facebook for literally every single event in my life lol. If I'm going to the movies with some friends, I send a few text messages out. Of course that's faster. Of course calling 3 or 4 people is faster than sending a Facebook message. But that's not the point of Facebook.

I think you are missing the entire point of social networking. It isn't meant to invite a friend to a movie... It's meant to communicate with the masses... to everyone in one sitting.

Quote: "As far as I'm aware, picking up the phone for a conference call doesn't mandate that their phone be capable of making one."

I really have no idea. Literally don't know anyone that's ever used a conference call in my life lol.

Quote: "I have not advertised that what I'm saying towards/against facebook be considered fact. My experience denotes my opinion of the site. If you like it, use it. I don't like it, therefore I don't use it.
Is that not what this thread is for? To see other people's opinions on the matter? If it's not, I would have appreciated some heads up before making my statements here."

I'm not trying to be a dick about it. I just wasn't understanding how you could consider Facebook not being fast or useful lol.

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Posted: 9th Jul 2011 06:25
Quote: "Dude, I don't use Facebook for literally every single event in my life lol."


That's good to know. My family uses it for everything and it irritates me to no end. Sorry I made the assumption that you were the same way


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Jeku
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Posted: 9th Jul 2011 06:25 Edited at: 9th Jul 2011 06:26
I don't know about the rest of you, but phoning up guy friends just to talk is kind of weird. I remember hearing someone funny on a podcast say that if a male friend calls him on the phone, it had better be 9/11 part 2. Email and posting is much more acceptable nowadays. Phone calls are for your mom and your grandma, not your guy friends.


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Posted: 9th Jul 2011 06:30
That's not entirely true, Jeku. Sure a guy calling another guy is going to be different from a guy calling his family or girlfriend.

Typically a guy<->guy call sums up with:
"Sup?"
"Not much."
"Movies?"
"Sure. Which one?"
"Transformers?"
"Alright."
*click*

While a guy<->girl call would be a tad more indepth.

I think it has become a big stereotype that guys don't use the phone as much as women. While this is true for the most part, it doesn't mean that men flat out don't use the phone apart from calling in for mother's day.


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Kevin Picone
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Posted: 9th Jul 2011 07:15
If you want to invite ten people to an event, share your summer holiday photos or the colour of your last bowel, then you know.. EMAIL them...

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Posted: 9th Jul 2011 07:22
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Brown IIRC....

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RedneckRambo
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Posted: 9th Jul 2011 07:22 Edited at: 9th Jul 2011 09:09
Quote: "If you want to invite ten people to an event, share your summer holiday photos or the colour of your last bowel, then you know.. EMAIL them..."

The average person my age does not use email the way they use Facebook. So again, Facebook is still far easier. In fact, most people I know, only have an email because it's required for Facebook. So no, that would be a terrible idea.

Facebook also has it's advantages well over email because it's all open conversations. If I send an email to someone, only the person that gets the email can read. Yes, obviously I can send it to everyone. But when they respond, only I can see their response. The others invited will not be able to. Believe it or not, that is actually quite nice.

Let's put it this way... Emails are like talking one on one, where as Facebook is like talking in a group. Talking in groups gets things done far faster than talking one at a time when it comes to dealing with several people.

Maybe if you were all to sit down and ACTUALLY USE Facebook for it's advantages, then you would understand. Unless you only ever have 3 or 4 friends that you talk to, Facebook IS FAST, simple, and overall a great way to keep in touch with others.

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Posted: 9th Jul 2011 09:04
Quote: "Basic? Yes. Simple? Possibly. Fast? No.

Simplicity comes after usage. If I hopped on facebook right now after not having used it for so long (or better yet, having jumped on for the first time ever), the environment given to you is not ergonomic or innovative to the point that anyone can use it straitaway. The interface and how to get around is learned over time much like anything else, and depending on the individual, this learning curve will be either steep or fairly shallow. Either way, there is a learning curve for newcomers."


how can it NOT be fast? unless you are into 47 different groups and need to check them all (which is kind of unagile) then its rather fast: check top comments, check newest then you are done.
Quote: "Your phone doesn't allow conference calls? Absurd!

On the other hand, I wouldn't make a conference call to any of these groups just to tell them what I ate for breakfast or shoot out a picture of how "awesome" I look with a necktie. Because I do believe no body would care. Just the same as I don't care what somebody else ate for breakfast or how "awesome" they look wearing whatever."


and youre one of those disliking blogs aswell? figures~~

and for the record, I am a man.

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Posted: 9th Jul 2011 09:33
Quote: "Let's put it this way... Emails are like talking one on one, where as Facebook is like talking in a group. Talking in groups gets things done far faster than talking one at a time when it comes to dealing with several people."


I take it you don't CC emails to multiple people, or use the "Reply All" option?


Quote: "how can it NOT be fast? unless you are into 47 different groups and need to check them all (which is kind of unagile) then its rather fast: check top comments, check newest then you are done."


If you ever watched the south park episode about facebook, that was picture perfect of how using facebook was for me. Everybody I knew that used facebook demanded that I participate on it with them, and when you end up "friending" your entire family tree, all of your friends, all of your online friends, and all of THEIR friends... it's either a hassle to keep up or someone ends up badgering you for not keeping up.

Quote: "and youre one of those disliking blogs aswell? figures~~"


Huh...?


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Jeku
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Posted: 9th Jul 2011 09:59
Who does conference calls nowadays? I mean really? Outside of a business environment, I mean.

Regardless, Facebook is my business and I embrace it wholly. Once Google+ opens up application dev them that will be my business too


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Posted: 9th Jul 2011 10:12 Edited at: 9th Jul 2011 10:14
Quote: "If you ever watched the south park episode about facebook, that was picture perfect of how using facebook was for me. Everybody I knew that used facebook demanded that I participate on it with them, and when you end up "friending" your entire family tree, all of your friends, all of your online friends, and all of THEIR friends... it's either a hassle to keep up or someone ends up badgering you for not keeping up.
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how is that related to not being agile?


Quote: "Who does conference calls nowadays? I mean really? Outside of a business environment, I mean. "


does skype and playing killingfloor count? XD

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Quote: ""and youre one of those disliking blogs aswell? figures~~"

Huh...?"


i meerely stated that i believe you dont like blogs because of your statement before:
Quote: " "On the other hand, I wouldn't make a conference call to any of these groups just to tell them what I ate for breakfast or shoot out a picture of how "awesome" I look with a necktie. Because I do believe no body would care. Just the same as I don't care what somebody else ate for breakfast or how "awesome" they look wearing whatever.""

bcause thats what most blogs are about, and people nejoy it....

and for the record, I am a man.

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Posted: 9th Jul 2011 11:09
Quote: "I take it you don't CC emails to multiple people, or use the "Reply All" option?"

Now you are just arguing to argue. You aren't even reading what I'm saying because I just explained that.
Quote: "If I send an email to someone, only the person that gets the email can read. Yes, obviously I can send it to everyone. But when they respond, only I can see their response."

I'll re-quote that since somehow you missed it. Emails are more like talking one on one, where as Facebook is talking as a group. I can send the same email out to everyone obviously, but I'm the only one who is going to see their response. It's not like they are going to then send their response to everyone that I emailed originally. Yes, of course they technically could, but that's just probably not going to happen and it isn't as efficient as a simple post on Facebook. Emails are NOT group conversations.

Quote: "If you ever watched the south park episode about facebook, that was picture perfect of how using facebook was for me. Everybody I knew that used facebook demanded that I participate on it with them, and when you end up "friending" your entire family tree, all of your friends, all of your online friends, and all of THEIR friends... it's either a hassle to keep up or someone ends up badgering you for not keeping up."

Oh God now you're just being a Facebook hater, just stop. There is nothing difficult whatsoever about clicking the accept button once in a while. And if they start "badgering" you on Facebook (I would have a hard time trying to figure out how to even do that on Facebook) with something like Farmville, there is an ignore button that entirely blocks that app.

You are acting like if someone uses Facebook, that it's the only way they talk to people. Most people are casual Facebook-ers and use it as ONE, I repeat, ONE, way of communicating.

Quote: "Who does conference calls nowadays? I mean really? Outside of a business environment, I mean"

Very, very, very, very few people.

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Posted: 9th Jul 2011 20:08
I do conference calls all the time. At least, Skype refers to them as conference calls.

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Posted: 10th Jul 2011 00:36
Quote: "I'll re-quote that since somehow you missed it. Emails are more like talking one on one, where as Facebook is talking as a group. I can send the same email out to everyone obviously, but I'm the only one who is going to see their response. It's not like they are going to then send their response to everyone that I emailed originally. Yes, of course they technically could, but that's just probably not going to happen and it isn't as efficient as a simple post on Facebook. Emails are NOT group conversations."


Didn't miss it. It was a simple question, man. Simple question takes a simple answer. But if you're going to be insistent, the reason emails are not group conversations for you, is because that's not how you use them. They are very effective for talking in groups if the people you're talking to understand that and utilize the Reply All as they should.
What you're doing here is attempting to put down my prefered method of group communication simply because I put down yours.

Quote: "And if they start "badgering" you on Facebook "


On facebook? When did I say that they badgered me on facebook? I didn't, my silly relatives call me up and badger me about it. If they badgered me on facebook, there wouldn't be a problem because I don't use the damned thing anymore.


Quote: "You are acting like if someone uses Facebook, that it's the only way they talk to people."


40+% of their time is spent on facebook. That's 40+% of their time that they're putting out pics and comments and updates and everything else I don't care about. They may use the phone, sure, but they use facebook far more.


Quote: "bcause thats what most blogs are about, and people nejoy it...."


Tell that to the people I know that use facebook, they obviously missed the memo.

Simply because you use facebook one way does not denote that that is the way everyone uses facebook. And the people I know apparently use it very differently than you do.


Quote: "Who does conference calls nowadays?"


I think calling them "conference" calls put most people off of using them because that's a business oriented term. But, I use them, and hey, I haven't been dragged in by the social police yet.


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Posted: 10th Jul 2011 01:22
... Am I the only person who actually does care about the inane things my friends put on facebook?

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Posted: 10th Jul 2011 04:30
Quote: "... Am I the only person who actually does care about the inane things my friends put on facebook? "


I care!

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Posted: 10th Jul 2011 08:39
The obvious thing to say is... you just don't use Facebook enough to understand how much better it is than "reply all" on email or a conference call that only about .0005% of the world's population can even figure out how to do.

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Posted: 10th Jul 2011 11:03
I think this video says it all about every social network site:



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Posted: 10th Jul 2011 22:26 Edited at: 10th Jul 2011 22:27
Quote: "Emails are NOT group conversations."
Quote: "The obvious thing to say is... you just don't use Facebook enough to understand how much better it is than "reply all" on email or a conference call that only about .0005% of the world's population can even figure out how to do."

This is simply not true. I take it you've never worked in a corporate environment? The majority of emails I've sent have all been group conversations. Considering the large number of corporate workers, I'd say even more people are familiar with reply all and cc than with how to use facebook.

Not saying that I would ever email my friends. For anything. Ever. I'd call, text, or post on facebook. Just that reply all and cc are a pretty standard way to use email.

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Posted: 11th Jul 2011 00:55 Edited at: 11th Jul 2011 01:36
Well, you know what the problem is? Not everyone works in a corporate environment, knows how to seriously use an e-mail system (or wants to), or checks their e-mail daily. A vast majority of my non-techie type friends fell off the e-mail wagon years ago. I can tell you right now that if I created an event on facebook and I sent out an invite to the same event via e-mail, a much larger group of people will have found out about the event in a shorter time period. CC and reply all works great in the office, because your job requires you to keep up-to-date on your e-mail all day long. If you stalk your e-mail when you get home from work and your only friends are your bud's at the office then more power to you.

It all boils down to this. If you don't like Facebook, get off it. I don't see what the big deal is. If you like e-mail, then stick with e-mail. For the rest of us, we'll use a social networking site because that's the easiest way for US to stay in touch with people.

To each their own.

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Posted: 11th Jul 2011 02:34
Quote: "Well, you know what the problem is? Not everyone works in a corporate environment, knows how to seriously use an e-mail system (or wants to), or checks their e-mail daily. A vast majority of my non-techie type friends fell off the e-mail wagon years ago. I can tell you right now that if I created an event on facebook and I sent out an invite to the same event via e-mail, a much larger group of people will have found out about the event in a shorter time period. CC and reply all works great in the office, because your job requires you to keep up-to-date on your e-mail all day long. If you stalk your e-mail when you get home from work and your only friends are your bud's at the office then more power to you."

^This.


Quote: "It all boils down to this. If you don't like Facebook, get off it. I don't see what the big deal is. If you like e-mail, then stick with e-mail. For the rest of us, we'll use a social networking site because that's the easiest way for US to stay in touch with people."

There really isn't a big a deal, I'm just irritated that someone could think Facebook is slow lol. People check their Facebook for more often than their email (of course that's not true for everyone) but from what I've noticed, people check their Facebook multiple times a day and sometimes don't check their email for a few days. People's responses are nearly always faster on Facebook than email.

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Posted: 11th Jul 2011 02:49
Quote: " I'm just irritated that someone could think Facebook is slow"


Facebook is slow, it's clunky and bloated and horrid. I'm never off it though.

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Posted: 11th Jul 2011 03:49
Quote: "People check their Facebook for more often than their email"


Hey, thanks for reminding me... I haven't checked my email in 3 months.

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Posted: 11th Jul 2011 06:59
Quote: "It all boils down to this. If you don't like Facebook, get off it. I don't see what the big deal is. If you like e-mail, then stick with e-mail. For the rest of us, we'll use a social networking site because that's the easiest way for US to stay in touch with people."


Yup! And I agreed with it last time it was posted here.


Quote: "I'm just irritated that someone could think Facebook is slow lol. People check their Facebook for more often than their email (of course that's not true for everyone) but from what I've noticed, people check their Facebook multiple times a day and sometimes don't check their email for a few days. People's responses are nearly always faster on Facebook than email."


Here's how facebook "worked" for me when I used it.

1. I'd be surfing the internet/playing a game.
2. Notice from MSN tells me that I have a new email from Facebook
3. I check my email to see someone tagged me in a photo.
4. Click on URL to see photo of me hungover, bad hairday, heading to school in the snow (JOY! Just what I wanted everyone in the world to see!)
5. Delete email
6. Go back to what I was doing.

Fact of the matter is, I receive the email before even going to facebook. How else does facebook notify me that something note-worthy is happening? Why don't I just cut out the end-man and stick with the service that even the "popular" service relies heavily upon? Makes sense to me, and it's been working out quite well so far.


I have to hand it to social networking sites, though. They have been the best snake oil salesmen in the new millenium.


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Posted: 11th Jul 2011 07:38 Edited at: 11th Jul 2011 07:41
Quote: "How else does facebook notify me that something note-worthy is happening?"

There are notifications on Facebook itself...

Further proving to me that you have not used Facebook enough to understand it's usefulness.

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Posted: 11th Jul 2011 07:46
Quote: "Further proving to me that you have not used Facebook enough to understand it's usefulness."


Fail. Let's say I'm playing a game. MSN will notify me of an email... what does facebook do to get my attention? Email me.

Take a hint from facebook. Email me.


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Posted: 11th Jul 2011 08:19
1. Facebook doesn’t even know who the hell they are, yet people are willing to put their professional identity even partly in their hands. Guess what. Their first model sucked. They’re toying with something new. Do you really want to invest a lot of time and effort into networking through a company who couldn’t even remain faithful to their own market? I sure as hell don’t.

2. It’s incredibly juvenile compared to other networks, yet I constantly see people using it for business reasons. Use unprofessional services, and that’s exactly how it makes you look. If you think it’s professional to “poke” your colleagues online, maybe you still belong chasing 10 year old boys around the schoolyard.

3. Facebook is a fad. Yes, a FAD!!! You couldn’t give a single legitimate argument to prove otherwise (and don’t try to feed me that crap line about social networking being around long enough to no longer be a fad… Facebook, a single company, doesn’t equate to “social networking”). People who waste their time chasing fads (especially in marketing) always get burned, wasting more time than they can justify in the long run.

4. Frankly, there are better ways to reach your target audience (unless you’re primarily targeting students – despite their changes, that’s still the primary userbase. If you’re targeting them, Facebook may be an alright tool for you. If you’re not, forget it.). If you’re not putting in the effort to find the best ways to reach your target audience, you’re not doing your job. In most cases, Facebook won’t even come close.

5. PR professionals should know hype when they see it. Enough said on that front.

6. Most people I know who are on Facebook are on a variety of other social networks as well. Newsflash: most have no real added benefit. If you’re using Facebook as just one of several social networking sites, you have way too much time on your hands that would probably be better spent elsewhere.

7. The company has a history of not being terribly considerate of their users’ privacy. They may have privacy options available now, but do you really trust a company like that when it comes to your business? If you do, that’s great. Dense perhaps, but great.

8. The fact that they try to act like their own little virtual world is just annoying. Any site that forces you to register to really get a feel for it is just pathetic. It’s a simple marketing tactic on their end to rev up their member numbers (and supposed worth?) whether people actually use the site or not.

9. Speaking of their “value,” I’m sick of hearing about it. All the talk about whether or not they’d be sold and for how much is what started all of Facebook buzz in the first place (despite the fact that most of the newer die hard fans don’t even realize where the sudden mass interest came from).

10. Frankly, Facebook is so “been there done that.” They’re dated. They’re not “cool” anymore. The early adopters have come, gone, and moved onto better (and more useful) things, and what you have now is this overwhelming group of stale business-minded folks who still buy into the hype. Why? Because most people are too lazy to actually research a marketing / PR tactic before jumping on the bandwagon when it’s all everyone’s talking about. That’s the nature of being a fad. The only good thing about Facebook is the fact that fads die.

That was copy and paste,but it is completely true I believe.


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Posted: 11th Jul 2011 09:24 Edited at: 11th Jul 2011 09:37
Quote: "Fail. Let's say I'm playing a game. MSN will notify me of an email... what does facebook do to get my attention? Email me."

No... not a fail by any means. What sort of notifications would you expect? It's not an instant messenger as I have already stated. For some reason you like to think it is... but it's not. Though it does have an instant messenger lol. Facebook already has it's own notifications. One in the bottom left hand of the screen whenever a message is received, one at the top. Since apparently that isn't good enough, they decided to ALSO allow it to send an email.

That works for YOU. Fantastic. What about the other billion people who don't have MSN and don't receive a notification of an email? There is probably a way to do it with gmail or yahoo and what not, but your average user isn't a techie and probably doesn't know how. Not that I'm any good with computers, but I don't even know how to receive a notification like that for my gmail. I can't say I've ever tried. I like the idea though, I'm gonna hop on google right after this lol. [edit] gmail notifier, nice lol. Never knew it existed.

Most people don't live on MSN or check their email as often as you do. Most people don't get a pop-up saying when they get an email. They see their email... when they check it.

I don't think you're understanding this either... Did I ever say Facebook was THE FASTEST possible way of group communication (or any other communication in general) in all the lands? No, of course it isn't. But it's simple enough for people to understand right off the bat and it does it plenty fast.

It also has other things built in that make it useful.

Sharing photos on it IS faster than email (unless you are sending a picture to very few people and even then, it certainly isn't slower) and if ANYONE argues this, than you are simply being a Facebook hater and whatever you say in response, I'm not going to even bother responding. With one, maybe two or three clicks of a button, EVERYONE on your friends list (which is practically everyone you know) can see what you have uploaded and people can quickly share their thoughts right away.

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Posted: 11th Jul 2011 10:35
Quote: "What about the other billion people who don't have MSN and don't receive a notification of an email?"


My 8-yr-old neice knows how to set up Outlook, which will do the trick for pretty much any email address. And she wants to be a cheerleader when she grows up, how cute.

Before you ask; yes, she uses facebook too. Just saying!


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Posted: 11th Jul 2011 10:48
Quote: "if I created an event on facebook and I sent out an invite to the same event via e-mail, a much larger group of people will have found out about the event in a shorter time period"
Depends who you are. Most people I know use smart phones that can link to FB, and because we are at work most of the time (where most places ban you from using social networking sites) then we are used to using only our phones to access FB. I can count on one hand how many times I've used an actual computer to access FB in the last 3 years.

When you use a smart phone to access FB then it's a lot easier to miss out on events and the like. My wife has about 300 friends on FB and there are literally dozens of events, invites to games, requests etc etc every day. Working all day long on a computer you can't be bothered to go through the damn things as 99% are rubbish. Sure you can filter stuff, but filtering out old mad Uncle Bob's rants might one day be a mistake when he stupidly only mentions when Gran's funeral is on FB...

Personally if it's important I only use a phone call. Even texts cannot be relied on, especially between countries. Plus when something is in text people can easily take things the wrong way.

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Posted: 11th Jul 2011 10:55
Quote: "Sure you can filter stuff, but filtering out old mad Uncle Bob's rants might one day be a mistake when he stupidly only mentions when Gran's funeral is on FB..."


Imagine breaking the news to everybody and accidentally typoing a sad face as a happy face. You would suddenly become the most heartless bastard on the face of the earth! Yeah, something like that is best done over the phone, if not in person.


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Posted: 11th Jul 2011 11:05
Quote: "Yeah, something like that is best done over the phone, if not in person"
True enough. But it's getting that way. Already I have been told off by people because I didn't "like" their new baby pictures (missed them as they flew by with all the other posts from friends) or how I didn't reply to a wall message (totally annoying. Use FB mail or real email... *Esp* for personal messages...) that again I didn't see cos of the hundreds of messages since yesterday.

Quote: "accidentally typoing a sad face as a happy face"
Nah, you are on automatic pilot and hit "like". Doh...

On a more inspiring note, recently my best man had a good friend die (I only met him once but was a really nice guy, and we invited him to the wedding just based on that) and at the funeral his parents had made a book which contained things like poetry and stories he had written as a child, but also the entire FB memorial page that had been setup up for him. Was dozens of pages of tributes. Very moving, and probably almost impossible to do so quickly without FB.

Cheers

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RedneckRambo
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Posted: 11th Jul 2011 11:22
Quote: "My 8-yr-old neice knows how to set up Outlook, which will do the trick for pretty much any email address."

And my 50 year old mother can't figure out how to attach a file to an email. Nor can my father. As pathetic as that sounds, you'd be surprised how many people can't function on a computer. We could go on for hours and hours if we are going to do it that way.

Quote: "Before you ask; yes, she uses facebook too"

I would have been far more surprised if you said she didn't.

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Posted: 11th Jul 2011 14:33
I don't know much on this subject at all, but I want to through something out there. I am the Secretary for a small company run primarily by children under 16. They are very lazy and they do things without telling me. So under G-mail I have a group titled "Work" and it has all the employees. I hit "Compose e-mail" and click that group. Therefore everyone in the group sees it and if I have something embarrassing to say or if I get a little aggravated, the rest of the world doesn't see it. Then if someone has an answer, they click the very obvious, large, REPLY ALL button and replies. If someone has a reply to what he said, he 'reply all's too. Our youngest worker is a 9 year old and he understands this concept crystal clear. I'm not saying it's not more interesting to have a Facebook, I don't have one I wouldn't know. But someone said there are no group conversations in email, wrong, or that people can't understand it, wrong. And I don't consider me being at home, emailing my computer nerd friends about what they're coding (It's a computer programming business) a corporate environment.

CoffeeGrunt
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Posted: 11th Jul 2011 14:42
Quote: "I am the Secretary for a small company run primarily by children under 16."


You work for Sony!?

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Posted: 11th Jul 2011 16:33
Quote: "As pathetic as that sounds, you'd be surprised how many people can't function on a computer"
They just don't work the same way. It took me ages to get my dad not to panic about using a laptop, and now have remote access setup incase there is any problems. Really really finds it hard to do anything. Now I have him sorted out with using Email, just about (ie. as long as they don't change the look of the email client even slightly), but FB is taking longer for some reason. He just can't get to grips with things like adding photos and the like. I'm pretty sure when FB was clearer a few years ago it wouldn't have been so hard to get him ok on it.

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Quik
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Posted: 11th Jul 2011 16:55
it really isnt hard to click on "photo" then upload a photo

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Dazzag
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Posted: 11th Jul 2011 17:09
Tell that to my dad who has a meltdown if you say "Click send" rather than "Left click send mail". ie. *Any* changes at all to layout (FB being quite popular at changing layout and functionality) spanners him up quite a bit to the point of stopping what he is doing. And he is 65, not 95. And worked in the RAF for quite a while (worrying...)...

Cheers

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Posted: 11th Jul 2011 23:08
Quote: "And my 50 year old mother can't figure out how to attach a file to an email. Nor can my father."


Both of mine can... and my grandparents, too.


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RedneckRambo
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Posted: 11th Jul 2011 23:57 Edited at: 11th Jul 2011 23:58
Quote: "Both of mine can... and my grandparents, too."

Like I said, we can go on for hours doing this. There are a lot of technologically retarded people in this world... You would be surprised at how many. Though I'm not sure how my mother can upload pictures to Facebook if she can't figure out how to send an email with an attached file... It's virtually doing the same thing lol.

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Posted: 12th Jul 2011 00:10
It's interesting how opinion seem to be divided by age, adults and business people against or indifferent while younger people seem to be adamant about defending it. I'm sure there are exceptions, but that's the way it seems.

Brian.

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Posted: 12th Jul 2011 00:43 Edited at: 12th Jul 2011 01:01
Am I the only person on earth (with access to a computer with internet) that never registered a facebook account and doesn't understand what's so good about it and could very well go postal whenever someones asks me if I have an account?

Personally, I always picture facebook, and the similiar social networking sites, as the real-life "zombie apocalypse" and I'm one of the few survivors that have to deal with millions of braindead... zombies.

I'll just stick to my IM and chat with mates in real-time, without any "Like" buttons, notifications of stupid games or unimportant blabla that everyone should take to a blablaologist.

RedneckRambo
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Posted: 12th Jul 2011 01:05 Edited at: 12th Jul 2011 11:19
Quote: "It's interesting how opinion seem to be divided by age, adults and business people against or indifferent while younger people seem to be adamant about defending it. I'm sure there are exceptions, but that's the way it seems.
"

There's mainly like 5 different people in this thread that are against or for Facebook. Outside of these forums, I would say age is entirely irrelevant.

The average age of Facebook users is 38 years old. http://www.allfacebook.com/can-you-guess-the-average-age-of-a-facebook-user-infographic-2010-09
An interesting article.

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Posted: 12th Jul 2011 01:08
I have given up going on facebook because it is now filled with people I vaguely remember from school, broadcasting how miserable their lives are, how many sandwiches they've eaten today and inviting me to join groups like "I like the cool side of a pillow". Also there's over a hundred messages from games saying "Random Name sent you a bucket of crap in farmville".

Quik
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Posted: 12th Jul 2011 01:32
Quote: "It's interesting how opinion seem to be divided by age, adults and business people against or indifferent while younger people seem to be adamant about defending it. I'm sure there are exceptions, but that's the way it seems.
"


just the same as that older people will keep on saying "it was better back in the days"

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Benjamin
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Posted: 12th Jul 2011 01:48
Quote: "Am I the only person on earth (with access to a computer with internet) that never registered a facebook account and doesn't understand what's so good about it and could very well go postal whenever someones asks me if I have an account?"


I wonder if these two things are related?



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Quik
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Posted: 12th Jul 2011 01:55
Quote: "I have given up going on facebook because it is now filled with people I vaguely remember from school, broadcasting how miserable their lives are, how many sandwiches they've eaten today and inviting me to join groups like "I like the cool side of a pillow". Also there's over a hundred messages from games saying "Random Name sent you a bucket of crap in farmville".
"


Why did you add them...?

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Libervurto
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Posted: 12th Jul 2011 02:37
I didn't know what I was letting myself in for and now I'm trapped.

Quik
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Posted: 12th Jul 2011 03:30
just remove them?

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Posted: 12th Jul 2011 03:43
Quote: "Why did you add them...?"


So they don't feel rejected and are then compelled to stream a facebook video of them committing suicide?

Or perhaps I have an overactive imagination.


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