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bruce3371
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Posted: 4th Sep 2011 23:46 Edited at: 4th Sep 2011 23:48
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Quote: "So if you do reply, perhapps pratice a little respect and self-restraint."


Quote: "I also try to respect others"


I had a good laugh at those 2 sentences when I remembered the way you treated Zwarte Piet a while ago!!

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Quote: "Quote: "So if you do reply, perhapps pratice a little respect and self-restraint."

Quote: "I also try to respect others"

When I remembered the way you treated Zwarte Piet a while ago, I had a good laugh when I read those 2 sentences!"


considering he is staying quiet for a page, then goes on a rampage which includes totally ignoring what everyone have said...

and for the record, I am a man.

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bruce3371
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Posted: 4th Sep 2011 23:50
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Yes, that post was probably a complete waste of my energy

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Posted: 4th Sep 2011 23:51 Edited at: 5th Sep 2011 00:27
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Quote: "2. None of you are even close to being perfect nor do you have the right to cast judgment upon others. "

Quote: "People are lazy and worthless for the most part."

Quote: ". People are very dishonest 2. Very lazy "

Quote: "Just reviewing the rude comments on here. Kinda makes me snicker a little at the same time"

Quote: "I don't honestly expect most of you younger kids to understand what it means to work longer than 9-5. However, the old timers such as my self are use to working long hours as we grew up doing manual labor based jobs."

Quote: "its clear some of you clearly need to thik before you post or bash others."

I could do this all day....

Quote: "I'm not hear to win the hearts and minds of TGC. When I post/share, its simply me burning time and sometimes sharing what I consider useful info."

Quote: "Ive watched alot of you post on here for a long time and its the same stuff everyday. Bash those whom don't fit into your little click."

Quote: "On the flip side, the younger kids around here are mostly just plain worthless. Sorry to say but are youth needs to grow up alot."

Quote: "I mean were talken a fraction of a % of the people around here are even skilled enoug to work in programing."


I dont see anyone supporting or agreeing with you here, doesn't that tell you anything? You think everyone is part of a 'click' (clique?) thats against you and you stand alone because your unique, what we should do is bow down and join your clique. You cant admit you opened your mouth and trashed a lot of people on a public forum, then you get all hissy when some folks take offense to what you say. To cap it all you tell them to grow up.
If you simply want to rant without response dont post here, believe it or not everyone here is entitled to answer with their own opinion. The 'rude' comments, as you put it, are a reaction your own arrogance.

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RedneckRambo
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Posted: 4th Sep 2011 23:51 Edited at: 4th Sep 2011 23:55
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Quote: "1. Complain about grammer but most of you if not all of you own a cell phone and text. At what point when you text do you type a english word or a proper english sentance? I thought so, so get over your self."

There are so many flaws in that stupid argument, I don't even know where to begin.
First of all, you are posting on a forum. You are not sending a text message. Second of all, you made a post claiming to be some relentless working professional. If you were said professional (which is obvious to say that you aren't a professional by any means whatsoever) you would take time in to your posts and show us that by accomplishing something as basic and simple as proper grammar and spelling.

The only person in this entire thread that needs to get over himself is you. You are incredibly arrogant, to an extreme I haven't seen in quite some time, and even more-so closed-minded.

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Seppuku Arts
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I think the trouble is your article makes a lot of assumptions about other people, so you're going to expect a negative response. You look down on the 9-5 job in your article, claiming that people complaining about their boss in a 9-5 jobs couldn't do what you do. I think that's nonsense and an arrogant claim to make, maybe they can, but choose not to or just have never tried. Working the number of hours you work means your personal and free time is restricted, meaning less time to spend with your friends and family and a lot of people would argue that it's not worth that. Many professionals do work specified hours with plenty of free time, but your article assumes that to be a professional you need to basically live to work, which for many isn't the case. In an indirect way you're saying you're better than them and that people in a 9-5 job aren't professional. So I suspect those who work 9-5 in a professional job aren't going to like it. This wouldn't be so bad (as you could claim it's not the way you intended to come through) if you didn't keep that notion through and through, your posts have comments to create the image that you're currently working and you then go out to criticise other people for not doing the same - that they should be working on a project to make yourself look like you're working as hard as you claim, not contributing to this thread. As you've just said yourself:

Quote: "To be honest, if you guys had major projects, you should be busy as well performing the same task as I am and not wasting your time fighting with people on the internet."


But you're welcome to correct me if I'm wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's bad for people to live to work, because sometimes it's necessary for them to do so, in order to move up in their own dreams, to tackle their own career path, but not everybody's situation is the same. This what your main feedback is, in one form or another, I'm not what grammar has to do with this, but I guess it's how some people respond to arrogant claims.

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rolfy
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Posted: 5th Sep 2011 00:47
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Quote: "I'm not what grammar has to do with this, but I guess it's how some people respond to arrogant claims."

The grammar is just a reference to something someone else said, the implication was that the original post wasn't even written by him (understandable given the completely different style of prose.
Whether he cut and pasted or not I dont care...its the following comments throughout this thread by him thats really got my back up, instead of supporting his views with facts he's just making broad statements about the worthless and lazy youth of today,while setting himself up as some kind of 'professional' and then implicates he is the only one capable of getting the job done.
I am not young myself but know a couple of them and they are certainly not worthless and lazy.
I reckon theres a good reason why he isnt employed and its not because he wants to run his own business.

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Posted: 5th Sep 2011 07:18
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Quote: "On a side note, most "super smart" peps are often misunderstood by the general public. Not implying Im going to change history but just making a simple point. Their could be a person on here you bash that is not dumb, just misunderstood or beyond your grasp. Hence the need to pratice the golden rule and truely make a real effort to respect others. I don't know any of you in real life but if I did I'm 100% sure the conversations would flow alot better.
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You come across as extremely arrogant, which is why people are "having a go". I hope to god that you didn't just call yourself "super smart".

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@Fallout, that was probably the greatest thing I've ever seen in my life.
I thank you.

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Van B
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OldSchool talks a lot about respect, yet I've read more posts from him putting people down than any other user in a long time.

The simple truth of the matter is that most programmers are arrogant, but a positive form of arrogance and confidence mixed in, to make someone even want to attempt the mammoth task of creating a game. But we can keep it on the down low - we are used to this forum and quickly appreciate just how talented people are here, it grounds people, and encourages them to improve.
If someone feels like an outsider, it's usually because they can't see that. I have no interest in people who think they glide over this forum, fueled by their own superiority, then take a dump on the people who are trying to pull them down to a ground level.

Olds is incapable of listening to advice, and that does not work on this forum - I would go as far as to say that other peoples feedback, advice, and ideas are what make this forum what it is. There are usually people who like it, and there are usually people who have ideas to improve it. If you don't listen to other people, then your about as far from professional as you can get - a massive chunk of professionalism is how you deal with people.

Respect has to be earned - you can't just assume that anyone who disagrees is a kid, and even so, what difference does it make really! You are on an online forum, age is not a factor here, what is a factor is your attitude to others, and that is why most threads you start end up like this. The only way to trully become part of this forum is to stop posting, and start reading... along with the acceptance that there are things here that you can learn, and people that you can learn from.

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A lot of comments here seem to be massive generalisations based on limited personal experience.

To be honest your working life can change massively and take many twists and turns. One minute you maybe working all hours and loving it with hardly any money, and another you maybe hardly working are depressed and un-motivated and yet are paid loads. It all depends on the situation at the time. For example Our company wasn't inefficient back in the day when a customer decided (for no amazingly good reason) to reduce a deadline from a year to three months, and some of us had really to pull our fingers out at massive personal cost. But we loved it then. Fast forward a decade and years of recession and job cuts leave a de-motivated yet well paid staff who really want to get out the door as soon as possible.

At the end of the day a good word ethic is great, but it's practically impossible to apply ideals and practices into every situation possible.

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Quote: "One minute you maybe working all hours and loving it with hardly any money, and another you maybe hardly working are depressed and un-motivated and yet are paid loads."


True dat! About 1 year ago I was employed, earning good money, has a load of expensive toys, and prayed for death every night. I could just look at a truck and see the beauty of its 20 tonne steel momentum destroying my pain via my face laying pleadingly on the rough asphalt. Now though, I work for myself, I've recently sold my car, I buy Tesco value yogurt and eat spiders form the garden. I sleep naked, not because I am kinky, but because my single pair of underpants that I own are plugging a leak in the roof, but I am content because I'm finally doing what I want.

What was my point? Oh yeah. Dazzag is very right. Carry on.

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Posted: 5th Sep 2011 13:11 Edited at: 5th Sep 2011 13:12
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Quote: "What was my point? Oh yeah. Dazzag is very right. Carry on"
Obviously

Heh, but more to the point; you normally have little control over your work life. Most of us, at best, can hope we have some control over it possibly in the future maybe perhaps, erm..., or at the very least like what you do most of the time (I *love* programming, and everything that comes with it is pretty good too). Gotta roll with the punches (insert cliché here) etc.

Sigh. But yeah, if I did it all again I would do my own thing when I had nothing to lose. Once you have family and responsibilities then it becomes much harder.

On the other hand I'm going to Dubai in 2 weeks for the first time in a decade and a half (last time was when I was pulling in the 90+ hour work weeks) and am pretty stoked. Haven't been dropped in the deep end in a while so will be interesting to get the adrenaline pumping again And this will so be a trip where I'm expected to look at my 15 year old code (haven't seen it since then and has been heavily modified apparently) and perform some miracles. Hopefully I get a trip up that biggest building in the world thingy

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Golden rule? Did you really just bring that up of your own accord? Do you even know what the golden rule is? Not sure what you were taught but I was taught that the golden rule was "treat others as you wish to be treated". As far as I'm concerned, you're not doing that. And if you are, then you're getting what you asked for.

I followed the golden rule in... well, in my last post here! If I was being an arrogant <random noun>, I'd definitely want someone to let me know. (FYI, I have been an arrogant <specific noun> on these forums before, and thankfully people never failed to let me know! Such a lovely forum, right? )


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Posted: 5th Sep 2011 20:20 Edited at: 5th Sep 2011 20:21
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You're a right arrogant adjective!


The word 'adjective' is a noun...you didn't specify which noun, I had to use my imagination.


Okay, now I'm being a pain in the ass.

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Posted: 5th Sep 2011 20:27 Edited at: 5th Sep 2011 20:29
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It's like a madlib. As long as you had fun with it, there is no wrong answer!

But before putting that in... all of my answers were denied by the filter system.
I can also think of MANY adjectives that would suit his -- err -- flowing persona.


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I think the filter system is a right [adjective][noun]!


Hmm...you're right.

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Grog Grueslayer
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I don't normally say anything bad about newbies but what I can't stand is he keeps churning out games in Visual Basic when clearly this is not supported by TGC. I'm not against programming in different languages but to insist that we review or be impressed by his games made in VB is annoying.

Using VB is forcing him to make the interface of all his games annoying to play. The text boxes for user input don't allow the enter key to be pressed forcing the user to click a button with the mouse when their done typing. Every time he wants to tell the user something it's put into a small window with a button that forces users again to click a button to continue the game. If he would just try to use Darkbasic Pro instead of VB he'd see a vast difference in the quality of games he's making for kids and freeing himself from window bondage. But at this point I doubt he's even tried to download the free version of Darkbasic Pro.

Download some of his games and try them out:
http://www.uokgames.com/store/children/

He also keeps focusing on telling us every time he makes a dime on his games which is a good thing he's making money. But to tell us that he's in negotiations with a publisher for these games seems like a bold face lie given the "quality" of these games.

Please, I beg you Old_School... put aside VB for now and focus on Darkbasic Pro for your games.

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Grog suggests I use DB well I preffer to you something more modern and object based as aposed to something command based Lang wise. Anway, I was surfing through youtube and found some older VB games. not the best but I think they prove to be interesting. Also show how powerful VB can be for game creation even though the software is for Tools techincally. My personal goal is to learn enough and then move on to C++. Anyway, here is so VB games.

Desert Vixens (FPS Adventure style game VB6)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvIy-vf-N2c

Brickz ( I think VB 2008 not sure)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuaPs52in1w

Strategiespiel mit
Not sure what kind of game it is or if its a map builder but looked pretty cool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSE378nw5Hk&feature=related

Terrian Demo VB using Direct X
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDd4F2iHcWs&feature=related
This is just a demo of using VB and Direct X but looked really nice.



There is alot more on you tube with using VB. The Express version is also free. To make games you dont need to pay money to buy engines as I discovered. DB is good in its own way for games. However, I want to learn a lang and software that gets upgrades consistantly and is main stream. Ive used DB in the past and honestly did not care much for it. I liked FPSC but its way to buggy to consider using it at the present time.

Infact FPSC inspired me to make a simular engine my self but for 2d creations and not 3D. DB is not for everyone, its not for me in alot of ways. I'm not hear to change minds of convince people to switch to MS products because I think they are better. I hear because I bought the TGC products same as all of you. I used the TGC products as well. Im hear to read, reply, suggest and get feedback same as you. Most of the time your feedback does not apply or can not be used. I listen but I can't do everything suggested by others on here.

Just as your software has limits or things are not realistic. My software as well has the same problems and things can not be used as suggested. This is why we call it computer Theory. Some things can not be used or are not realistic for the code were writting. Its true in programming any thing is possiable to a degree. However, some things just don't make sence or their is a better way to code it. Your thoughts are DB is the best way for you to code. Awsome, I preffer VB and C++.

Althought Im not a expert in ethier lang. I'm still learning and my projects as well will improve same as yours. Some of my games are very basic. However, so are some of your games. We cant make Mario Bro's instantly, but we can make smaller simple games to start. As my games are small and simple. Well what you see on the site store currently. Howver, that will change in a matter of a few months when we finish these big projects were making. One thing I can say about coding software is it takes alot of time. Hence my long hours coding daily. Its not by choice, its more if I don't make money my bills dont get paid on time. I'm sure we can all relate to that story. As for not working a "9-5" job. That was my personal choice. I have job offers but I don't want a boss. I enjoy being my own boss. That is a feeling no one can understand until they are completely self employeed and making enough to keep their self afloat.

Now I'm going to be defensive as well for a molment because this is annoying me. People suggest I don't listen ever period. Pretty sure I stated many times, my replys will be limited time wise to reply back so please no need to reply. I don't think I said that directly but I did try to imply no need to replay back alot as I wont be here to read it and defend or comment. Yet everyone one of you contenued to reply and not fully read any post from what it seems to me. Also suggested respecting others should be something used more often on these forms. Obviously over looked. That issue as well has been stated by several posters who refuse to post here any more. So to state a true fact. If people here contenue to disrespect one another, the form and site will die. Ive seen this happen to a good site I often visit.

The site was one of the largest D2 fan sites out there, but things got out of control, staff refused to follow their own rules, posters got out of hand flaming out side of the flame forms, people begain to take things personaly and the site ultimately died. Now the site is rebuilding with 6 active members. Since I kow most of the older posters, I was able to bring back some traffic but the point is bashing people will only hurt the form. This engine as well rather oyu like it or not is becoming really old and dated compared to other engines. People use TGC products because they trust the brand name. However, if people contenue this rampage of behavior, their will be no TGC product brand.This issue of course will take about a year or longer to completely play out but its very possiable and the forms is allready dying. Three years ago when I told the owners of another site "hey the sites dying we need to do something". I was laughed at and told its ok. Guess what, the site died and now has to decide next year if they want to keep a 10 year old fan site open or not. One that made D2 fan history might I add. So just things to think about when you bash people on your form.

Again my goal is to not change your minds. But I will suggest things on the forms are allready going down hill and I'm not alone of the thought. I'm sure because a "mod" things that statement downs TGC i'll be baned or what ever. Point is though, its not bashing TGC, Its a warning to TGC. It can and will likely happen to the site if things are not corrected. Your sites success does not effect my ability to live but I'm sure it effects someones wallet. So just something to look and consider changes. If I was the owner, I listen to the people when they asked for a form update. Just my two cents and probably not a bad place to start.
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THE GODLY PROFFESSIONAL IS BACK WITH A LITTLE MORE SENSE!

right time to stop trolling, in all honesty: atleast this time you dont come off like a complete scumbag! thats a plus, but lets be honest here:

Quote: "There is alot more on you tube with using VB. The Express version is also free. To make games you dont need to pay money to buy engines as I discovered. DB is good in its own way for games. However, I want to learn a lang and software that gets upgrades consistantly and is main stream. Ive used DB in the past and honestly did not care much for it. I liked FPSC but its way to buggy to consider using it at the present time."


just this says quite a lot doesnt it?

No, something DOESNT have to cost to be good: C++ is free unless you want to sell, as far as i understand atleast. for example
Unity is free, UDK is free, etc etc.
But what people here is saying is true: if i use Sketchup 3d for making 3d models instead of using 3ds max 2012 student verson, then yes i WILL get laughed at, no doubt about it.

edit: another comparison is: well, if i come to a mineshaft equipped with a spoon and no life support..
no need to say anything else i suppose lol

and for the record, I am a man.

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Maybe this is a good time to go a little of-topic and say how happy I am that AppGameKit supports C++. It's the nice segway I've been looking for. (although I purchased Saturday and it still hasn't been approved But I'll wait, because I know mods have weekends off.) I don't understand the argument here though. Old_school uses Visual Basic... so what, WHO CARES Maybe he's a pro at visual at it, SO WHAT? Oh and I've actually found I rather like 3D crafter better than many other modeling tools(though I didn't give Blender enough of a chance and don't have 3ds Max ), who-a-thunk-it?

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problem would be: his product doesnt look appealing and are usually quite.. booring

i mean all i know he ahs made is a hangman game with EXTRMELY tedious graphics and... something else: he doesnt at all listen to the citics we give him, its like talking to a wall really

Quote: " Oh and I've actually found I rather like 3D crafter better than many other modeling tools(though I didn't give Blender enough of a chance and don't have 3ds Max"


lets take blender and max for example: these two are both EXTREMELY GOOD PROGRAMS, max superiourises it in some points, but blender is awesome

but some programs, there ArE programms who are worse than other: Sketchup and milkshape 3d for example: while MS3D has a content animator it still is very bad at handling many polies and is unstable, it also only has the most basics of tools compared to the other two..

well you see my point.

my problem isnt with the program, even though i do think he should trade up a bit. my problem is with the extreme lack of response: "well, maybe you should... instead!

NOOO IT IS AWESOME AS IT IS YOU GO TO SHOE I DONT WANT YOUR HELP IAM AWESOME"

thats the kind of response we get really

and for the record, I am a man.

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To be a professional has no minimum work hour requirement, nor does it say anything to your work ethic. To be working in the field and/or good at what you do is all the definition requires.

Skipping over any criticisms of old_school, as I think that point has kind of been made by now, there are some interesting comments in this thread on the state of employment at the moment.

I guess I was one of the lucky ones, in that I managed to find a job that I enjoy straight out of uni. It may not be in the games industry, but for me it's the next best thing as I get to write software that controls stuff in the real world, ranging from individual machines through to entire factories. I agree with Jeku though, you need to be willing to step out of your comfort zone every now and then. At least in my experience awesome stuff usually happens as a result.

Though honestly, I find it hard to believe anyone that uses VB could call themselves a professional! (joking - nothing against VB'ers, just some friendly language rivalry - I'm a C#'er ).

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Posted: 5th Sep 2011 22:15 Edited at: 5th Sep 2011 22:23
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What is it with people spawning around here and claiming the forum going down hill? It doesn't appear to me.

There is a little fighting going on here and there... but its the internet...its always like that.
The geek culture board is always full of interesting topics and the more specific sections usually free of any spam or bad language and most likely well mod...ahm...surveiled by mods.
The tons of free content and support are another plus.

I saw a lot of forums going downhill and trust me, this one isn't.

Quote: "I liked FPSC but its way to buggy to consider using it at the present time."


You see...this is the generalism that people don't like about you.
This software is too bugged. Its not... I use it and create decent games with it...don't have any bugs...where are these bugs?

Younger people are worthless...so much about respecting others, eh? Some people are...most people are not. Hey, if you walk through the streets, you see a bunch of young fellas running around being busy for their jobs. If you base your reality from television: Yeah! All youth is worthless lazy and drunk and...every drugdealer is black.

But its not the fact. Most people I know work reasonable... so where are all these lazy bums.

Lets combine this with a little "I'm old, I know what I'm talking about"...in fact, most of your statements had a lot of major flaws. Including your phenomenally awful point of view on working.

If you are really "programming" in your sleep out loud. Dude! Burn your computer, get a real job and shamu your wife Thats my final suggestion to this. (oh boy! this is going to get me mod slapped )

And if you don't care about the thought of the folks on this board... why keep posting? Why defending your point of view in these huge walls of text? Aren't you busy working?



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Quote: "MS3D has a content animator it still is very bad at handling many polies and is unstable, it also only has the most basics of tools compared to the other two.."


I'm a proud defender of the point of view that a true artist can make magic with even the worst programs. Thats why I love FPSC so much....everybody outside of this community thinks I use UDK. Thats just great because the software has so much negative flow in the indiegame culture. Its always great to enlighten people...

I also think that, as long as we are talking about gameready assets, MS3D can get the Job done!

We aren't making industry standart levels anyway, lets face it...so lets use whatever we like to use. MS3D Can produce any sort of ingame object

Hey, the stuff I make is growing more and more popular and was even in the news... (of italy) so...if I can do it...anyone can do it. As an Indie...use whats most fun for you, not what gives you the best result after hours of frustration.



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@ swissolo
Love your point of view, people will use in the end what they want to use and what they love/enjoy

@ RalphY
Totally love C#, it was the first Lang I learned how to write code for making scripts for my old UO private server. Using Run UO 1.0 if you remember those days.

@ Wolf
Hmm wolf I respect your dedication to creation but beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I honestly think your games look grainy/cheap compared to more main stream/modern games. However, my games posted suck too.

@ To All

I wish I had this video on game dev's it was a great vid talking about being a game dev. A few points it made I loved;

1. You want to make games awesome but because you have ideas does not mean you will go far. Lots of people have ideas. Ideas are worthless on paper.

2. A good game dev is exp. in life. He/she has traveled a lot and done a lot of amazing things. They take that and put it into a game and make it as realistic as possible.

3. You made a game cool but does anyone play it? If you have less than 1k people playing your game, you’re not really making games on even a small commercial level. Completing the game is step 1. Step 2 is selling it, no point to a game if no one plays it.


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On that statement in the vid I do disagree a little with that statement but I see their point. Finishing a game is always good because you learned something but if the game never sells, there point is what’s the point. I mean if your making gams for a living, it don’t sell; then how are you pro?

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The entire vid basically covers what a real game dev is and why most people fail getting to that point. It has a lot more in-depth info and I wish I could find it but I lost the link awhile back. I believe the makers of Runescape helped make the video for indie devs. It was a very good video to watch and learn from. To compare myself to the videos standard for a commercial dev, I rank well below the requirements as most of us would as well. The point though is to explain how to get there in general with simple tips.
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I see what your saying Quik. I kind of figured those programs were sort of "Here's what I did on my day off" projects though. I don't think being named "professional" gives any special qualities of values so what does it matter? So I guess lose that attitude and it's all good? That more what we're lined up for? and hey, maybe old_school just installed dark basic professional and we're all mistaken. He has pro

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Ive got it along with a bunch of software from TGC not listed here but I don't use it any more.



Edit:
Not showing all my TGC products ethier like my FPSC Full version and all the models packs I got too but you get the idea.
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Quote: "I honestly think your games look grainy/cheap compared to more main stream/modern games."


Me too haha! Hey! When I can make mainstream games with my fpsc... man! I would know what I could make a living off

But from an indepentend game dev point of view, they look kinda cool. At least thats the general response I get


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I wish I had this video on game dev's it was a great vid talking about being a game dev. A few points it made I loved;"


Yes, it appeared on the escapist magazine, named "so you want to be a gamedesigner" It was great, I have it in my favorites, but I get an 404 error.

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Yes thats the vid Awsome vid, wish there a working link. Its very educational for indie peps
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And here it is



I have to say...I get along with programmers... but I like them in short bursts.



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Wolf, that video.. DAM- SHOE i love you!

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To be honest, there's no such thing as superior software to use. There's industry standard software, but it's not necessarily a coder's preferred software. Doing your own programming, you will use what you feel most comfortable with. If VB is your thing, you're welcome to it, there are some good engines out there that are compatible with it.

As a hobbyist, I wanted to try out lots of different engines and did and some have proven to be very good, yet I am most comfortable with Dark Basic Pro - even tried C#, VB and C++ with different engines and found that whilst Irrlicht was by far my favourite, I still code in DBP. I also tried Unity and it appealed to me as an artist. I'm gonna end up trying AppGameKit once I've got some money together for it, because it sounds groovy, but my current project (not ready for a WIP thread) is being done in DBP.



Also, feedback on your website, I found it difficult to know what I'd be buying off of it, I think if there was something demonstrate the look and feel of the games and how they'd be played would be useful - screenshots, maybe even a video. Maybe you've got them somewhere and I've missed them, but from what I could find, if I was looking to buy one of your games or applications, I probably wouldn't without knowing what I'm getting.

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I agree, its next on my list of things to fix. Before I send my new software to the "printer", I'm going to redo the entire site to give it a more modern appeal and I hope add CSS to it. Number one thing will be hiring a web dev consulant to get pricing to have someone else do it. My art skills for web design suck so this time Im going to just pay to have it redone.
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Quote: "To be honest, there's no such thing as superior software to use."


Depends a bit: offcourse its a matter of preference, but say Milkshape 3d in my case, after 10k polies it simply crashes, it doesnt have quite essential functions like spline etc and it can only handle triangles, making it's turbosmooth very useless on anything else than plain surfaces..

But offcourse: it allcomes down to personal preference.

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Just opened my most high poly 3D model I have on my harddrive. Its a deinonychus and it has 13k polygons. I was messing around with the vertices, making a few spikes, adding some primitves to the mesh, saving and converting in a few formats: No crash.

I try a model with a higher polycount tomorrow. But I have to agree that it sometimes crashes out of the blue. The software simply closes.

Edit: I now converted the 13k triangles dinosaur into a 500 triangles mesh. It still looks cool and it only took me a few seconds. Milkshape has a lot of hidden potential What other tool can do that so fast and efficient?



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it even says on the webbsite it is meant for lowpoly but its primary strenghts and highlights would be: the excessive amount of export and import options

and the only skeleton making/animation editor that i have ever managed to understand... xD

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Same here... Blender just knocks you over the head with its interface of doom.

...and I know I just tried...and it worked.



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Quote: "Totally love C#, it was the first Lang I learned how to write code for making scripts for my old UO private server."


Off topic, but I'm curious now why you made the switch to the dark side? More often you see developers switching from VB to C# than the other way round. Not sure if that's just because C# was newer and devs + IT managers like shiny new things (see Dilbert). Anyway, just curious on your reasons why if you don't mind sharing?

Personally I feel Java as a language hit the right balance between VB, Pascal and C++, and then C# came along and polished things even more with the addition of properties, delegates, better support for functional programming (in later versions), etc. The only thing that immediately comes to mind that I wish C# had is an INumeric interface (having to use expression trees or dynamic to work around it's absence is a bit of a pain).

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Depends a bit: offcourse its a matter of preference, but say Milkshape 3d in my case, after 10k polies it simply crashes, it doesnt have quite essential functions like spline etc and it can only handle triangles, making it's turbosmooth very useless on anything else than plain surfaces..

But offcourse: it allcomes down to personal preference."


Superior perhaps depending on the purpose - I mean all I'd use Milkshape for personally is to animate low poly models that can be exported to a vast range of formats...effectively. I suspect others find it to be a fantastic well priced low polygon modeller. If they wanted a simple easy to use powerful 3D modeller that's a little more pricey, perhaps somebody like me, Silo3D might work, though it doesn't animate like Milkshape3D does, I wouldn't tell Mr IloveMS3D (and his wife) that Silo3D is better unless it better suited their needs.

But I guess my definition of 'better' is solely based on people's perspective rather than objective measurements (which frankly would be paradoxical, how can something abstract be given objective qualities?), that's not a criticism of you, I'm just remarking because I find it amusing when people try to use objective criteria to suggest something is better or something is crap, when at the end of the day it's worth is decided by the user.

Quote: "Same here... Blender just knocks you over the head with its interface of doom.

...and I know I just tried...and it worked"


Every time I try to work out how Blender works a pony dies. I would love to work it... because I'm a bloody cheapskate, but it's painful for me...yet there's plenty of people out there who love it! My love for a full 3D package was found in Cinema 4D, but it comes with a hefty price tag (I used to have a copy of the free version they released years back) and with dedicated 3D modelling tools I found love with Silo3D, which is within a reasonable price for somebody with a job and ZBrush is a god for me as far as texturing, bump mapping and sculpting go, but right there you have my dream toolset. But it would make an expensive hobby. Except Silo3D maybe...that program is awesomely ergonomic for me and ergonomics goes brilliantly with art programs.

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I switched because my friend and I decided to start making software tools and he knew VB better than C#. Plus it was something new to learn and we herd a rumor Vb was the software tool maker lang. So we switched and I can honestly say I very much so enjoy VB. I'm glad Ive taken the time to play with it and it will be very useful to me when I start using C++ more in depth. I think VB will be able to let me make some useful tools to use in C++. VB will also allow me to make some general IT tools as well. C# I think is great for scripting or to use as a addon for C++. Perhapps even for small programs/apps.

To me C# is still very powerful and I don't think we have begain to tap into its power. However, C# is still fairly lengthy code wise I think and VB is shorter code wise. Both are great for anything and everything of course. But I herd VB was closer to C++ and VB jobs pay more. Not sure how true that is or if I want to go back to the daily grind at this point. For now Im really enjoying VB over C# but I might change my mind at some point and go back to C#.

I would like to take a look at F# but I think it may be just another little script builder lang. Not seen alot of code or software made with it yet but Im sure it will find its place in the Microsoft Family. Speaking of, thats really what Ive grown to love my self. Anything in the Microsoft family is just brillant coding and never steers me wrong. Plus its skills I could take at any time and got get a 9-5er with at any point. So its just good I guess to know these langs incase you need to get a job fast incase gaming/software don't work out lol
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@Wolf - I suspected that video was either going to be a joke, or one of those vids where they really don't tell you how hard it is, to massage the hopes of all the wannabies. Have to say though, love that video. It makes a lot of sense. It makes ME not want to be a game designer, because it sounds too bloody hard ..... even though I would be the awesomest bestest most amazingest game designerist ever, obviously.

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