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Geek Culture / EA Games - Battlefield 3, throwing shoes at us?

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Isocadia
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@quik: I feel the same way. Pirates would 99% of the time never have bought your came anyway (pirate: doesn't buy the game after a 14 day trial ). All you can do is make the price/quality as low as possible. And like minecraft, add multiplayer which on most servers requires you to buying the game.

Also, leShorte, what if I have internet, but it's unstable and is know to sometimes drop for a few minutes? Or maybe I've got friends with internet. There are enough ways to download something, but only 1 way to go around constant internet connection DRM.
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Quote: "Also, leShorte, what if I have internet, but it's unstable and is know to sometimes drop for a few minutes?"

That shouldn't affect the game if you're actually playing it. In Steam, the servers applying changes or you losing your connection won't boot you off a game. I doubt this will work differently.

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I am more or less meaning the incredible STUPID way that say ubisoft has

And here well, say i want to go to the singelplayer, well then i cant do anything, if the game is lagging shoes then i cant do anything about it
etc fun stuff: since i controll everything with the internet, SP - options, if i would have a internet blackout then i cant do anything


dont get me wrong: a single time activation, for example: that is just fine, needing internet as soon as i want to do anything? well thats bullshoe.

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DJ Almix
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Quote: "dont get me wrong: a single time activation, for example: that is just fine, needing internet as soon as i want to do anything? well thats bullshoe."


I have to +1 this.

I really like the idea of one time activation, but I'm still a little mad at the need to have a constant internet connection...

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Why say shoe? It doesn't sound offensive. Whenever I hear someone say split-shift it sounds like swearing to me. Flange is another good one
"You corking great split-shift!".

While I'm off topic, who else thinks Cirencester sounds more like the name of a star than a town?

Are mods allowed to lock threads that just bitch about companies? I'm not saying this is a particularly bad one but I have seen a lot more pointless threads that are just basically rants. Rant to yourself, rant at the wall, rant at your cat, no don't rant at your cat, but don't rant on here! Unless your rants are funny of course.

Also as VP of the forum, why do I not have a flag?
You are obviously paying your flag makers too much because they are getting lazy!

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Quote: "Why say shoe? It doesn't sound offensive. Whenever I hear someone say split-shift it sounds like swearing to me. Flange is another good one
"You corking great split-shift!".
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since iam being child pleasant!
and it sounds funny!

Quote: "Rant to yourself, rant at the wall, rant at your cat, no don't rant at your cat, but don't rant on here! "


Essentially it is a discussion, and iam very sure it is allowed, iam sue this would have been locked otherwise.. or so i get the feeling atleast

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It wasn't directed at you, it was more of a rant about people who rant.

There's probably a good reason why I'm not a mod.

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You guys are all forgetting the real reason publishers attach anti-piracy measures on their software. They KNOW that it doesn't work. They have to do it, regardless, for their shareholders. The shareholders demand it, so they have to do it, period. EA and Ubisoft are not stupid enough to think that any single piracy technique is 100% foolproof.


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Quote: "You guys are all forgetting the real reason publishers attach anti-piracy measures on their software. They KNOW that it doesn't work. They have to do it, regardless, for their shareholders. The shareholders demand it, so they have to do it, period. EA and Ubisoft are not stupid enough to think that any single piracy technique is 100% foolproof."


this actually makes sense, since smaller companies dont do it...
But you cannot deny that it is ridiculous .__.'

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2011 21:29 Edited at: 2nd Sep 2011 21:34
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Can someone answer me this:

Has there EVER been an anti-piracy move that actually worked (the game was unpiratable)?

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Quote: "Has there EVER been an anti-piracy move that actually work (the game was unpiratable)."


that is impossible, it really is

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I've heard of a system where the game is run on a server and you just get sent JPG files of the screen. Impossible to hack!

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Then why do companies insist on making piracy harder, why piracy is compleley back and white in terms of features? A person who mods/cracks a game when then pirate it, will give you access to all the features (exluding multiplayer), it's not like they crack the same in sections...

...seems to me like the more anti-piracy you put, the less sales you receive, and no matter how hard it is to crack, you still always have the same amount of people pirating it...(it's not a smaller amount of people because you made it harder to crack)...


I just say, I bought the game, so I have nothing to worry about, and if the anti-piracy gets in the way of my actual gameplay, then I might have to worry. Which in some cases it does, but there big companies, wining, nagging and yelling over the internet wont make them remove there anti-piracy features...

Theres nothing we can really do...

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Quote: "I've heard of a system where the game is run on a server and you just get sent JPG files of the screen. Impossible to hack!"


Sounds like Cloud Gaming (i.e: OnLive)

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Quote: "I've heard of a system where the game is run on a server and you just get sent JPG files of the screen. Impossible to hack!"


Nothing is impossible to hack..

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Posted: 2nd Sep 2011 21:49 Edited at: 2nd Sep 2011 21:49
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Quote: "Nothing is impossible to hack.."

Well cloud gaming (thanks almix ) seems to be, because you don't actually have access to the game at all! It takes your input and sends back pictures of the screen.

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Quote: "dont get me wrong: a single time activation, for example: that is just fine, needing internet as soon as i want to do anything? well thats bullshoe."


Keep in mind Assassins Creed had the same protection i.e. constant internet connection game verification, when it first came out and it irritated even the people who had legally bought the game, but it still got pirated.

Quote: "You guys are all forgetting the real reason publishers attach anti-piracy measures on their software. They KNOW that it doesn't work. They have to do it, regardless, for their shareholders. The shareholders demand it, so they have to do it, period. EA and Ubisoft are not stupid enough to think that any single piracy technique is 100% foolproof."


+1

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Quote: "Well cloud gaming (thanks almix ) seems to be, because you don't actually have access to the game at all! It takes your input and sends back pictures of the screen."


There was some storms a while back when pirates copied the entire server cloud of some ?/movie/? rent stream thing. Cant find any links atm.


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Quote: "Well cloud gaming (thanks almix ) seems to be, because you don't actually have access to the game at all! It takes your input and sends back pictures of the screen."


let me put this straight: if it can be programmed, then it can be hacked

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Well that's different, that's hacking. That's like if I said it's impossible to make an exact copy of a banknote and then you say you could steal a genuine money printer. Of course there is a way to compromise the security, but with only one copy of the actual game code it becomes a lot easier to protect than millions of copies. Plus end users wouldn't have to go through all these anti-piracy doodas.

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Quote: "Well that's different, that's hacking. That's like if I said it's impossible to make an exact copy of a banknote and then you say you could steal a genuine money printer. Of course there is a way to compromise the security, but with only one copy of the actual game code it becomes a lot easier to protect than millions of copies. Plus end users wouldn't have to go through all these anti-piracy doodas."


not at all, it is the same priciple, when you crack something you alter the code in the files

when you hack something you alter the code aswell, it is really the same thing

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How are they the same? One is breaking into a server and stealing data, the other is breaking an encryption on a file.
Server security is an entirely different issue that exists anyway. At any time a game company's server could be compromised and game data stolen.
Cloud gaming removes a route of access to the game data - through the end users copy of the game, since they don't have a copy any more.

You seem determined to prove that it is still possible to pirate anything. Yes it is, of course if anything exists it is possible to steal it but I find that a facetious argument. It is still possible for Colonel Gadaffi to take over the world, but it would be a lot harder now he has no country.

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DRM has NEVER really bothered me. Everyone cries and cries about EA's DRM and Ubisoft's, but I've never had issues. I don't share my PC, and I don't let anyone else use my Steam account and EA Origin account. The only ones I notice who tend to cry about this sort of things.

Let's face it, in a modern world, everything is using online activation. If you don't have internet access, you can't really play games anymore. The only DRM that has EVER bothered me, is GTA IV's. I HATE how they make you save your game online, because when my network is down being upgraded, there is no real way of saving. Their offline saving methods rarely work.

As for piracy, there have been many occasions where piracy has been extremely beneficial. Adobe has claimed that piracy has helped them out tremendously. They said that most people who pirate Photoshop and later go on to become a professional graphics artist, buy Photoshop. Seems ridiculous, but it's true. Why do you think they've been using the same activation method for the last 5 versions now?

A lot of people pirate because of localizations too. Many games aren't available in Russian, Gabe Newell stated in an interview that they make games in as many languages as possible, and he's said that it has greatly reduced piracy of their games.


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Yeah, I can vouch for never having been bothered by Ubisoft's DRM. If I had a restricted internet then it would bother me, but who does these days?


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Quote: "when you hack something you alter the code aswell, it is really the same thing"


No, not really. If it were that easy you wouldn't see e-commerce.



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Quote: "Let's face it, in a modern world, everything is using online activation."


like stated previously: THAT IS NOT A PROBLEM, an constant internet connection in the other hand will continue being a problem for a couple more years.

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I don't like relying on the local communications infrastructure for playing a single player game that I own, it's just silly.



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I don't like that idea either, in the future we wont own anything, it will all be virtual.

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well, we dont own a game if we buy it up to date: owning means we can do whateve the shoe we like with it: we cant crack a game we own, for example, for personal option that is

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Either way, I'll be getting Battlefield 3. By the looks of it, it's the best FPS thats going to come out for quite a while.


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looks like any other FPS, but with great graphics and destruction, which is awesome indeed

but not worth the trouble for me

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Indeed. It looks too close to BC2 for me, which I really didn't enjoy. And I don't have a good enough PC to run Origin, Steam, Battlelog, and BF3 all at once. This will be a bargain bin purchase for me.

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Meh. Classes are better now, full scale destruction, a pretty realistic shooter, it's preorder for me.


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Nah, BF3 isn't all that realistic, especially when compared to two other games in particular; one coming out tomorrow, I believe, and the other in 2012.


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Quote: "Nah, BF3 isn't all that realistic, especially when compared to two other games in particular; one coming out tomorrow, I believe, and the other in 2012. "


and what two games might these be?

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Aah, my mistake. One comes out in about 9 days, and the other is in 2012.
First is Red Orchestra 2, second is ArmA 3.

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Preordered Red Orchestra 2... its gonna be gold DD

Iam not so keen on ArmA3, on the hands on look that TB had it looked... well, crap. I do understand that it is a alpha footage or w/e but seriously, it looks old .__.'

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Right, forgot about Red Orchestra, but I don't have too much money so I'm only getting Skyrim(which EVERYONE should get) and BF3.


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Quik, did you get the deluxe or regular edition? I admit the original was VERY flawed, although still quite fun. I'm on the edge about getting RO2 though, you'll have to tell me if it's worth it (AND if the bots are worth it...and maybe if LAN support is available with bots.) IF you can.

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Quote: "Quik, did you get the deluxe or regular edition? I admit the original was VERY flawed, although still quite fun. I'm on the edge about getting RO2 though, you'll have to tell me if it's worth it (AND if the bots are worth it...and maybe if LAN support is available with bots.) IF you can."


Regular: early beta access, a few hats and skins for TF2 and KF and early access to x weapon isnt worth 10€ iam afraid =P

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Holy cow, I'm certainly not a graphics-whore, but the visuals of Red Orchestra 2 look almost like a Half Life 1 mod or something
(as far as I can tell from youtube footage)
But well, if the gameplay is that good than that's fine...

AA3 doesn't look that fun to me. But again judging on some video footage...

Guess I have to sell my soul for a new system to be able to run BF3 then. And I really don't care about what the menus are like.

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Quote: "but the visuals of Red Orchestra 2 look almost like a Half Life 1 mod or something "


now that is... just plain stupid: its outdated yes, but not that much at all. It looks just fine and serves the purpose =P

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Quote: "You don't go into a clothing store and moan that the security tags are on the clothes you want to buy and that it takes an extra five seconds at the till to take it off. It's the same thing with games for me, I understand that people need to protect their products from thieves and that it is necessary to keep the industry alive."


Have you ever had a security tag forgotten and you discovered it when you got home? It's kind of like that, only you have to wait 6 weeks for them to fix it. On top of that, they only make the security tag invisible, the security tag is never removed, has a gps on it, and won't let you leave the house unless it's authenticated you as the rightful owner of the shirt.


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Ok excuse me, I was just exagerating a bit
I agree with you: as long as the gameplay is good then I won't bother about graphics that much. It just surprised me that a full-prize game (RO2 is, isn't it?) of 2011 looks like that.

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it isnt, 30€ for it =P

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He was exagerating...so this post has no more meaning.
Please think of fluffy bunnys and give yourself a moment of sanctuary.
This is an edited post...move along folks, nothing to see here



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Haven't read through the entire thread, but I can say this: YES! It is throwing shoes at us!

Can you believe BF3 doesn't have LAN support?! This is really making me angry, the way all companies now assume EVERYONE has fast, unlimited-download internet!

And LAN support is not difficult to add! It made BF1942 and BF2 the great games they are, without LAN and bots they would have failed miserably.

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Quote: "Can you believe BF3 doesn't have LAN support?! This is really making me angry, the way all companies now assume EVERYONE has fast, unlimited-download internet!

And LAN support is not difficult to add! It made BF1942 and BF2 the great games they are, without LAN and bots they would have failed miserably.
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Couldnt agree more tbh..


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I also agree what sort of self respecting FPS game is released without some sort of LAN.

The fact that their entire set of activation and battlefield servers has gone down and has been down here in the UK for 24 hours now. Is frankly a joke, EA have no idea what they are doing, it is not hard to run a server. I don't take high demand as an excuse they knew this was a high demand game and they should have accounted for that.

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Hmm, looking at the gameplay, I'm really wondering if I should get it or not. Gotta see the requirements first.

EDIT: Nope it's all good, Im also hitting the recommended specs, except for my CPU.(Intel Core i5 2.27ghz)

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