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Metamophic
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Well then, since no one is going to know who we got, I'm assuming you mean we captured Saddam Hussein. Its been mentioned a few times in the chat room already.


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they claim to have him atleast, and have for the past 10hrs or something.

thought it's US Special Forces who caught him, and this isn't the first time they reckon they've had him. He is still being flown to the US, so god knows why this even made the news already.

though to be honest, they should just leave the bugger alone already; cause enough blasted grief in the middle east. I swear they want the entire god damn arabic culture to hate the West

sorry but i don't want to feel my friends and family are at risk again because the government are being jackass' and screwing around with unpredictable people who have shown they have the means to cause extreme devastation. i'm still hearing about friends being wounded by the resistance out there. they honestly think that having Saddam in custody will make the rebels go "oh well we better stop!"

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Posted: 14th Dec 2003 18:14
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When I saw Saddam with that beard, I thought he looked just like my old geography teacher, a striking resemblance

I wonder how many kids out there who saw this bearded man, pointed and said "Look! It's Santa!"

Now, what would a suitable punishment be for Saddam? Death, life imprisonment, count all the grains of sand in the Sahara?

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I doubt they will fly him to the US. He will probably be turned over to some international tribunal in europe somewhere, or to UN custody but not here in the US.

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I have a sick-sinking feeling that this may get Bush re-elected...
:::sigh:::

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Posted: 14th Dec 2003 18:45 Edited at: 14th Dec 2003 18:45
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Quote: "I have a sick-sinking feeling that this may get Bush re-elected..."


Hmmmm, same feelings here for our 'head-of-state'...

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'I have a sick-sinking feeling that this may get Bush re-elected...'

Absolutely nothing wrong with that.

I have very little doubt that Saddam was behind a large number of the suicide attacks going on in Iraq. While I'm sure there will be a flurry of bombings and the like in the days following his capture, there are only so many insane, suicidal maniacs with explosive materials hiding in Iraq... the violence will start to slow down. Finally.

Me? I think he should just be killed. Chair's the best and quickest. I'm not sure the hundreds of people whose family and friends died or were wounded by being forced into his army or held in his prisons would agree with me, however.

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Quote: "count all the grains of sand in the Sahara?
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LMAO!

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Btw, Raven, isn't it rather selfish to worry for your and your family's own safety because Saddam may be in the US, and say they should have left him in Iraq, lose, surrounded by fanatical followers? This is doing Iraq a great favor. And if you doubt that Iraq thinks so, read any of the news reports on it from groups that have journalists in Iraq right now.

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Posted: 14th Dec 2003 20:14
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Quote: "...Chair's the best and quickest."


Nah! Too easy. Maybe bending Saddam over a rock and get him to be rammed from behind by a charging bull elephant.

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I think he deserves whatever he gets after all the suffering he caused to his own country.

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Quote: "I doubt they will fly him to the US. He will probably be turned over to some international tribunal in europe somewhere, or to UN custody but not here in the US."
HA! You mean like how America let the UN deside if war was necessary? I sure hope the UN get ahold of him soon though, last thing we need it him to be torcured and firced to "admit" that he has ties to terrorism, car bombings and the Unibomer mail bombs.


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w00t take that Sodamn Insane (Good name for him) !! Hehe, did anyone here they caught him under a shed in his home town? What a pathetic idiot. Heh, woulda been funny if they 'by mistake' shot him under there

Well Im glad hes caught, maybe there will be a little more peace in the middle east now. Maybe 'Towel Head' wont be as much of an insult once things cool down a bit

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Quote: "I doubt they will fly him to the US. He will probably be turned over to some international tribunal in europe somewhere, or to UN custody but not here in the US."


You mean like they handed Iraq to a UN Elected and based government after the Coailition waged Conflict?
Sorry, but the guy is on his way to the US now; He may be given the oppertunity to be retried in a UN Court, but there is no way the States will let his first trial be outside of thier shores.
Remember they found no evidence of WMD, and alot of the other claims against him are circumstancial unless they charge him with older crimes. Most he could get for what is hard evidence against him is a few years; Bush wants to make an example of him and iraq.

Quote: "Raven, isn't it rather selfish to worry for your and your family's own safety because Saddam may be in the US, and say they should have left him in Iraq, lose, surrounded by fanatical followers? "


The fanatical followers will be attacking people trained to kill and protect people, not attacking innocent civilians that have nothing to do with the conflict.
I will always be far more conserned for the safety of my friends and family... why the hell do i give a damn if that sounds selfish.

It would actually be selfish if i'd said i fear for my own safety, but i don't; i fear for that of those i care for.


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Celebration time come on!

Yah! Merry Christmas President Bush!

And Iraq here's your gift! One dictator, all wrapped up and finished!
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I heard he was going to be trialled in Iraq.

Edit: It's interesting that it took 4 hours before someone mentioned this on the forums. I thought it would have been posted instantly.


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He should be trialled under a UN court NOT a US or any other single country.

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Quote: "The fanatical followers will be attacking people trained to kill and protect people, not attacking innocent civilians that have nothing to do with the conflict.
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Then why are you afraid for your family?

Catching Sadam will do nothing for the conflict. Personally, I think that the US has delayed as long as they could before they caught him. There are too many simple people that think that now that Sadam is caught our job is complete. Support for the continue of the war is going to drop, although support for Bush is going to be on the rise for a short while.
The war had to happen. We were misled as to the reasons. There were never any threats of WMD, and Sadam had NO ties to 9/11 (which I never thaught in the first place). The true mission is stability in the mid-east. First Afghanastan, then Iraq. A couple more democratic govt.'s over there and things will settle down. Not tomarrow, not next week, not next year. It will probably take a good 10-15 years before the world starts to reap the benefits of this war. Until then it is gonna be a mess, and it will get worse than it is right now.
On 9/11 the rules changed. I am for a war on terrorism. Although Bush is a liar and has misled us all, he is bold enough to do the job.
Where would the world be if we never went to war with Afghanastan or Iraq. How strong would groups like Al-Quida be getting? How long before they were able to pull of another stunt such as 9/11 or even much worse? It is not a matter of either country having anything to do with the previous acts. It is a matter of stabalizing the world and ridding the world of the lifestyle that breeds terrorism.

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Quote: "He should be trialled under a UN court NOT a US or any other single country.
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Wrong. He should be trialed by a single country and a jury of it's people. That country is Iraq. That will be thier forst sweet taste of freedom.

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Quote: "The war had to happen."


Hmmmm, HAD to happen, or was JUSTIFIED when it happened?

Quote: "We were misled as to the reasons"


Bollocks.! There was a threat, it had to go.

Quote: "There were never any threats of WMD"


Not on a grand scale, but ever heard the expression "Nip it in the bud"?

Quote: "and Sadam had NO ties to 9/11 "


Who said he did? This is a war on terrorism...

Quote: "The true mission is stability in the mid-east"


And the far north, down south, wonderful west, it's about WORLD stability.

Quote: "First Afghanastan, then Iraq"


And then where? Libya, Korea, Chechneya...?

Quote: "A couple more democratic govt.'s over there and things will settle down"


Ahem! And a democratic government will just make things ok will it? So there won't be any uprising, no civil unrest all in the name of democracy?

Quote: "It will probably take a good 10-15 years before the world starts to reap the benefits of this war"


How very true.

Quote: "and it will get worse than it is right now"


Totally agree, MUCH worse I think.


Not starting an argument, just expressing my personal views in this democratic freedom of speech world we live.......(wait for it.......)

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Quote: "Wrong. He should be trialed by a single country and a jury of it's people. That country is Iraq. That will be thier forst sweet taste of freedom."


WHAT TRASH!!!!

Why should the people of Iraq be the ones to trial him. If Saddams crime is against humanitarian rights, then surely I, you, we, my wife, my neighbour, your teacher, everyone has a right to trial him. And since we wouldn't all fit in a court, our nearest counterpart, the UN would do so.

Sure, he tortured, mamed and killed hundreds of thousands of iraqi's, but what about the threat to MY future too. His regime, had it not been stamped out when it did could have jepodised MY future, or my children's, and therefore "I" want a say in his trial.

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Quote: "Why should the people of Iraq be the ones to trial him... Sure, he tortured, mamed and killed hundreds of thousands of iraqi's"


I think you just answered your own question. Iraq needs something like the trial of Saddam to make them stronger and show they have some power.


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I haven't answered my own question at all.

Saddam Hussain HAS butchered people in Iraq, there is no escaping the truth here. But in 'political' terms he has broken the rules of the geneva convention, a UN sanctioned agreement and therefore must be trialled under that agreement.

He was the ruler of a country, and therefore the legal ruling must be on a global and not national scale.

We're not talking about an individual who is to be trialled under Iraqi law. How on earth can Saddam Hussain be trialled under a Law that he wrote? The first rule will be "Saddam Hussain is not guilty".

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Sadam NEVER directly had any threat to you. That is how you have been misled. He has killed, mamed, raped, and suppressed his own people. His fate should be in their hands.

As too the other comments about my previous post, I agree with most of what you said. However...

Quote: "Quote: "and Sadam had NO ties to 9/11 "

Who said he did? This is a war on terrorism..."


How was him or his government in any way tied to terrorism. That is another way that the US has tried to mislead the world. It didn't. It was an easy target though with a regime that had more than enough reasons to be taken down.

Injecting democracy isn't what will do it. Injecting governments that are friendly with our goals and share our ideals is what will do it. When the people that live there see that they are better off also, it will begin to work.

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Quote: "How on earth can Saddam Hussain be trialled under a Law that he wrote?"

It is no longer HIS government.

The UN is a joke. It looks good on paper but they don't have the gnads to do anything about anything.

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Quote: "Sadam NEVER directly had any threat to you. That is how you have been misled. He has killed, mamed, raped, and suppressed his own people. His fate should be in their hands."


Whoa!!!! When I want to go to the Middle East (as I have done in the past), the LAST thing I want is to be sh!t-scared of 'upsetting' some Iraqi guard and knowing that if he's in a bad mood, Saddam has allowed him to arrest me with no reason. When I am arrested, the LAST thing I want is to be thrown in a jail, with diabolic filthy conditions and be tortured, not allowed any phonecalls or contact me my embassy or anyone.

Don't insult my intelligence, or upset any person that has gone through this by saying this kinda of thing doesn't happen..!


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Quote: "Quote: "and Sadam had NO ties to 9/11 "

Who said he did? This is a war on terrorism..."

How was him or his government in any way tied to terrorism. That is another way that the US has tried to mislead the world. It didn't. It was an easy target though with a regime that had more than enough reasons to be taken down.


This is totally going off on a tangent. Do you really know what the word terrorism means? It doesn't mean some Arab with an AK47. IT means the antogonistic approach or a threat to the everyday society. Do you REALLY think that someone who says they will kill every westerner (even if it's a threat or not), is not a terrorist!!!!

Are you really saying, that if Saddam Hussain was in power now, and a news flash appeared on Sky or CNN saying that he had developed another Super Gun like he did in 1991 that you wouldn't be bothered!!!! OF course you would, and the 'fear' that you would have would be antognistic of terrorism.

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Quote: " "First Afghanastan, then Iraq"

And then where? Libya, Korea, Chechneya...?"


nope.... Iran.

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or a bbq (but now that i think of it, BBQ consisists of flames).

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BBQ's are nice. That's all we ever eat down here.


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I have a feeling N. and S. Korea could get messy if Bush is re-elected

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Becoming more popular here now, was at one on Friday - verrrrryyyyyyyyyy nice (but cold...!)

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Excellent, the plan is working. Now to move to Phase II.


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Which is....

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the creation of a instant BBQ, i think

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JSN,
I think we actually agree on most of this subject. I'm not going to keep arguing about this. It's just not worth my time. Besides, this topic will probably be locked soon anyway

Sadam is an EVIL man and deserves everything that he has coming to him.

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Quote: "Sadam is an EVIL man and deserves everything that he has coming to him"


lets BBQ him...heheh

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Wolfy,

I agree with you totally, and I wish I had some way to prove I'm not bashing at my keyboard because I disagree with what you're saying.

The bloke IS an evil man, and DOES deserve what's coming to him. I agree more.

So, get the next round it mate!!!!

Talking of drinks.... I would say, get the next drink and light-up, but folks....

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ROFL

There's a kebab shop down the road called Hussain's!!!!

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Quote: "He was the ruler of a country, and therefore the legal ruling must be on a global and not national scale."


so are you saying that if a president of the USA (im assuming you're american) broke a law or something. that the WHOLE world should put him on trial? i think not. since his capture is all related to war, it doesnt mean he should be tried by the whole world, just the people and families of the people he has hurt directly, those people would be the Iraqies. They will NEVER get to prove themselves, unless people let them. I actually think we should just hand Sadam into a crowd of people, im guessing they will only let him live a few minutes.

Quote: ""It will probably take a good 10-15 years before the world starts to reap the benefits of this war"

How very true."


yes, i agree with that. i actually believe that there will be no end to this. yeah, war will stop, but there will never be a real "united nations" or anything of the sort, we will always find ways to rid of 'world problems' and we will always be going into war. I actually have a lot of religion behind all this war, but i will not be going in to that, i hate religious debates and i dont want to start anything

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"There's a kebab shop down the road called Hussain's"

Perfect.heheheh

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No, I'm Jorvik, born, bred and proud of it. Say what I like, and bloody well like what I say...

Look, I'm not trying to pee people off here, I think I'm not explaining myself right. So, for the last time...

To use your analogy of the president of the united states - it's flawed to hell. We're not talking about what happended with Clinton getting a gobble of Monica. That's not the same scale as what has happended is it?

His capture IS related to War yes. And I stress again, that any war, despite what it brings, loss of life, etc, etc, must still abide by rules of the Geneva Convention if the country at war is a part of. That's fact!! If the country is a part of the UN (very few are not), then the ruler (past or present) must face those crimes and the prosecutor should be the UN!

Is everyone forgetting Millockovich and the war in Yugoslavia!?? How many croations and slovenians were killed there, tortured, raped, murdered? This was only 6 years ago. And what happened to him? He was trialled by the UN/Nato because he broke the rules he had adhered to. Had he gone to trial in his own country, no doubt some splinter group would have attempted to assanate him and he wouldn't have got what he deserves. OR, the trial would have been totally one-sided, and the trial not justified.

With the UN behind, at least ALL parties would have a fair chance of wanting their justice, fairly and without any prejudice.

To end, one simple comparrison with Hussain (what he's done), and your president at the moment...

If President Bush ordered the torture and execution of POW's (Iraqi, Afganhistan or whatever), then who should trial him? American Government or UN?

Or, if President Bush was allowed to rape american women, and no court was allowed to touch him because of some ammendment, then again, who should trial him?

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Quote: "Sure, he tortured, mamed and killed hundreds of thousands of iraqi's, but what about the threat to MY future too. His regime, had it not been stamped out when it did could have jepodised MY future, or my children's, and therefore "I" want a say in his trial."


What a self-centered thing to say. Saddam never did anything to you, and you can say all you want, but you'll never convince me that he would DEFINITELY do such a thing.

What people like you tend to forget is that the media has a history of over-dramatizing events for ratings or profit. One of my philosophies is that every coin has two sides. I try to look at every story from every perspective possible.

Furthermore, your government doesn't give a crap about what you as an individual have to say on the matter, which is why it shouldn't matter to you what country he's tried in. Even if they bring him to the U.S., do you think they'll care if you walk up and say "Kill him!" No, they'll categorize your sentiments as nearly global and ignore you.

Bottom line: Open your eyes; this is out of our hands anyway.


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Quote: "Congrats m8 Good job - keep going "


Cheers, damn hard work I can tell you. Nearly rolled the patch up the otherday and smoked that..!!

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I heard they'd developed an injection that stops the nicotine addiction completeley as it blocks it from entering the head (which is what makes it addictive). Unfortunately it won't be available for another year or two.


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Yeah I heard that actually, a few weeks ago now. Sounds a good thing, hopefully I'll have long kicked the habit...

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Nicotine is an evil thing.
Truly a pernicious drug, worse than alcohol.

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You all have a good point about this whole war and i think you all have been misled quite a bit....look at bush....do you think he gives a damn about the people in iraq or anything? what is iraq's most valuable resource? OIL...thus 9/11 gave him the reason he needed to go in there and look for "WMD" which clearly didnt exist there...now that we control the country we control the oil and thats all bush really cares about becuase he is your useual republican dosnt give a crap about anything but the money...

if you don't believe me just look at alot of old news reports like ones about how the oil in iraq flows fine but the generators for the citys power isnt even up the first hting they repaired was the oil so they could get it! Now the generators might be working fine and all but for awhile no one had power but the one thing that was working almost as soon as we took over that country was the oil flow....think about that...

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oh boy.....<rolls eyes>


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