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Shadow Robert
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Quote: "Then why are you afraid for your family?

Catching Sadam will do nothing for the conflict. Personally, I think that the US has delayed as long as they could before they caught him. There are too many simple people that think that now that Sadam is caught our job is complete. Support for the continue of the war is going to drop, although support for Bush is going to be on the rise for a short while."


Why am i Worried?
Iraq is currently "technically" American Soil. You own Iraq right now. As you refused to hand it over to the UN.
The government inplace is american.

So be him prosecuted here or in Iraq, he will still face AMERICAN LEGAL JUSTICE.

But so what? Whats the harm in that?
Perhaps because fanatical rebels don't take kindly to such things. What has America forgotten why the hell the Taliban are so f**ked off with them in the first place they're ready to repeat history!?

No the Iraqi Rebels aren't as bad as the Taliban... YET!
But if this all goes down, they will see it as a reason for Jihad; i take it your aware of what that means?

It means we have one more terriorist buggers who sneak into the country to terrorise people that have nothing to do with thier Jihad because our governments are too blasted dense to realise the ramifications of thier actions.

... ... ...

but like a true blue american you have half the facts and don't want to listen to anything that contridicts.

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oh and JSN, both Blair and Bush tried to play the fact that they had proof of WMD and that Saddam was linked to Al'Quida, infact they claimed they had proof he was selling them weapons.

spoonfed BS throughout this whole conflict; it's not a war, a war would've been if they even had a chance. They didn't stand a hope in hell of winning it... but calling it a War make the casulties taken and given to the populus is oki. And made it sound like a cause.

Perhaps saddam did need to be taken out of power, but the way it was done was wrong! Typical bloody american government too, blow everything up now - question if it is the right thing later... then make up some bull so the public thinks they're army is acting the heros.
Iraq has and will be one big PR Stunt for the States, nothing more, nothing less. But what hasn't been taken into account is that those they're playing are people who don't like to be buggered around.

This is going to end in tears! You say the UN has no balls for what they did. But sorry, even Russia and Germany were against the conflict ... these countries have NEVER been opposed to taking something by force when diplomacy fails. THAT speaks volumes more than anything else.


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Quote: "Do you REALLY think that someone who says they will kill every westerner (even if it's a threat or not), is not a terrorist!!!!"
Funny, didn't one of the leading generals call this a holy war and he personally won't stop until all Muslim nations fall? Tell me something here, what nation has been for the last 20 years or so going into middle eastern countries, starting a whole bunch of killing (including civilians), and leave without giving the aid they promised?


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Quote: "Jihad; i take it your aware of what that means"


I find it amusing that when you throw in a "big" word, you get all big-headed. Basically what you're saying is "Oh, come on, you don't know what that word means? Geez, you're such an idiot."

Quote: "but like a true blue american you have half the facts and don't want to listen to anything that contridicts."


If by true-blue you mean stereotypical by European standards, then you're right, he is true-blue.

Quote: "Perhaps saddam did need to be taken out of power, but the way it was done was wrong!"


Gotta agree with you there.

Quote: "Typical bloody american government too, blow everything up now"


Love my country, hate my government.

Quote: "then make up some bull so the public thinks they're army is acting the heros."


Leave that to the media.


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hardly a big word, it's the actual word for what everyone's been throwing around and they should know what it means.
If you don't then really you have no right to bring religion into this do you?

as i said, it kinda would prove my point about ill informed running around shooting thier mouths off.
though no doubt i can see people scrambaling to and online dictionary to look it up and claim they knew all along.

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and i've never said that the Americans are essentially bad; just the government is, and the sheep who blindly follow them and believe the stereotypes.

the funny thing is to these types of people, there are only two types of american. Patriotic and unPatriotic.
which is a very weird word comming from people who no doubt can't even explain what honour and patriotism actually is, past the spooned candy version they're given growing up.

:: sighs :: honestly i don't know why they didn't just listen to the Taliban in the first place and for once mind thier own god damn business.

and no, i'm not saying the taliban shouldn't have been taken out either. What i'm saying is the american's made such a song and dance about it and lost sight of the real issues that the government didn't really care about anything cept revenge.
they could've thought it through better.


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Raven,
Did you even read my posts. It is funny how you try to label me as an ill-informed, stereo-typical American when you are the one with the cookie-cutter response.
I think the US government has done nothing but lied about this war. Their agenda is to install "friendly" governments in the place that is most hostile to them. It has nothing to do with WMD, oil, or Sadam's evil regime. Iraq was an easy target and Sadam had more than enough reason to be brought down that the world would get over it fairly quickly.
By the way, I asked the question: "Then why are you afraid for your family?", because I was baiting you to respond exactly how you did. You are the one that brings up personal terrorism worries because of Iraq. Maybe you are the one that has been watching the media to much.
In 10-15 years, the world will forget about this war. It will also be a better place because of it. We are all dumb.

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Posted: 15th Dec 2003 13:44
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Quote: "hardly a big word, it's the actual word for what everyone's been throwing around and they should know what it means."


Anyone who's watched 'True Lies' should know what it means as well.


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Perhaps the two worst things you can bring into an argument are Religion and Politics - ESPECIALLY when you know nothing of one and little of the other.

Rather ironic as well as these two 'words' have been, and always will be, the start of any war.

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Quote: "In 10-15 years, the world will forget about this war. It will also be a better place because of it. We are all dumb."


yeah my textbook answer, funny thing is this is close to exactly what was no doubt believed 20years ago in Afghanistan.
"Don't worry everyone will forget us trying to liberate these people from the Russian's, they'll probably thank us for it!"

and they did with 2 planes in the side of the World Trade Center.
you know what that was a message about?

I can't control all of the sick people out there, hell i can't even control any of the normal people out there. You cannot force people to believe what you do and do as you say... Next time we won't be so lucky as just to have a few thousand people die when a fundamentalist group decides they want to thank america for the help they neither asked for nor wanted.


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All we did was try to hurt Russia as much as we could. It had nothing to do with Afghanastan. When our goal was met, we did nothing else to help the people. Were we wrong? Yes. Iraq is COMPLETELY different.

Quote: "I can't control all of the sick people out there, hell i can't even control any of the normal people out there. You cannot force people to believe what you do and do as you say... Next time we won't be so lucky as just to have a few thousand people die when a fundamentalist group decides they want to thank america for the help they neither asked for nor wanted."


Agreed. However, when a country's people are treated like they were under Sadam's rule they will be much happier with just about ANY change. It couldn't have been much worse for them. They are bound to be suspicious and cautious though. They are bound to have resistance groups just as they do because of those feelings. Over time (lots of it), those feelings will subside. The more they do, the free-er they will be.

Again, the reasons for the war that we were force-fed were ALL lies. The real cause and the results of the war will be for the better though. The terrorist groups would be SO MUCH stronger than they are now if we had not done anything. Not because Iraq's government had anything to do with them, but because it is places like Iraq that groups like that can thrive. Was that reason for Sadam to be removed? No. But he had many other reasons and he was a convenient target. His removal WILL help figh terrorism because the more governments that begin to share OUR goals, the more pressure that will be put on the ones that don't. It isn't an overnight solution and it isn't an overnight plan. People wouldn't accept anything other than that though and that is why we are told the lies.

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I believe Saddam should be tried in Iraq by the Iraqis. It was them he harmed, killed, and forced to suffer for years on end. The UN is, along with being useless, a disgustingly corrupt organization. The optimistic side of this is that Saddam is probaly going to be given death sentance wherever he's tried. The downside is that the UN has done stupider things in the past, so if they try him, who knows...

I find it amusing so many people say that Saddam should be tried by the UN when they were the ones who would have let him continue his reign of terror (dramatic but true), going against their own decision made months earlier.

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Quote: "The UN is, along with being useless, [...] "

That's not the fault of the UN itself, but the fact that a few countries tend to ignore its resolutions whenever they think it's against their interests. Then, indeed, the UN is useless.

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Quote: "I believe Saddam should be tried in Iraq by the Iraqis. It was them he harmed, killed, and forced to suffer for years on end. "


Exactly.


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Quote: "If you don't then really you have no right to bring religion into this do you?"


Confused as to what this means, were you talking to me? If so how did I bring religion into it?

And as far as people running to online dictionaries to look up words like that, who's to say (besides yourself, of course) that you didn't do that yourself?


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Hand him over to the Kurds, they'll know what to do with him

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Quote: "You all have a good point about this whole war and i think you all have been misled quite a bit....look at bush....do you think he gives a damn about the people in iraq or anything? what is iraq's most valuable resource? OIL"


you're the one who is misled. i do indeed think he gives anything about the people. yeah, it's easy to think that's why he's doin all this, but bush said, right after the US took over the oil that he was leaving all the oil to the people of iraq. have YOU seen the gas prices go up? i sure havnt, i've seen them fly tho. if bush wanted to, he could take all the oil and used it. Oil is currently one of the most valuable resource for the US (at least some states, Arizona, Utah, and the works) but yet, Bush takes it, then gives it right back to the people in which in belongs to.

i still think that they should hold the trials in Iraq. Give them their first drink of democracy!

The following is taken out of the Deseret Morning News from this morning (SLC, Utah)
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IF GUILTY IN A TRIAL, COULD SADDAM BE EXECUTED?
Possibly, Trying Saddam in an Iraqi court is appealing to the US becasue his crimes were mostly against Iraqies, and a UN-backed trial would not include the option of the death penalty, said Kenneth anderson, an american university professor in Washington who specializes in the laws of war. But human-rights groups like Amnesty International and some US allies in Europe, where capital punishment is banned, are expected to oobject to a trial that could include the death penalty for the deposed Iraqi leader, anderson said.
(please excuse the spelling, i just typed it and didnt go over the words)
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US officials have not announced their plans for the deposed Iraqi leader. He will assuredly be put on trial...He could face trial by the Iraqui apecial Tribunal for Crimes against Humanity, created just last week...The Associated Press reported earlier this month that at least 270 mass graves holding 300,000 sets of reamains have been found throughout the country."


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High ranking memberbers of the Nazi party were not put to death during the post WWII war crime trials. They killed far more than Saddam, hell, Paulpot was only put on house arrest. The UN is the only way Saddam will get a fair trial.


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Posted: 16th Dec 2003 06:57 Edited at: 16th Dec 2003 06:58
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Quote: "High ranking memberbers of the Nazi party were not put to death"


but hitler WOULDVE, thats why he commited suiside (sp?), because he didnt want to give the other countries a "victory over him" or something like that.

I still think they should give him a trial in Iraq, because it gives them a change to prove themselves. The people of Iraq NEED a victory, this is the best oppritunity for them

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Quote: "yeah, it's easy to think that's why he's doin all this, but bush said, right after the US took over the oil that he was leaving all the oil to the people of iraq.[...]Oil is currently one of the most valuable resource for the US (at least some states, Arizona, Utah, and the works) but yet, Bush takes it, then gives it right back to the people in which in belongs to."


Quote: ""It's great that [Saddam] [was] caught, but it wasn't him who screwed up the petrol and the electricity and everything else so badly, so now a canister of gas that was 250 dinars costs 4,000, if you can get one," said Ghazi, a 52-year-old dentist. "This is an oil country and it should be rich. It should not be Afghanistan.""



hmmm...I wonder where all the oil went.

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Two car bombs went off outside an Iraqi Police Station today...


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Killing Saddam won't sort anything, it will breed more hatred and fuel more anger amongst those still sympathetic to his cause, especially those from his hometown and Kirkuk ... you'll end up re-igniting their fires again. They guy's a total broken man now, having lost his family, his sons, his relatives, his power, suffered humiliation on public TV (the bit where he was being searched for nits is regarded very disgraceful by Eastern standards) ... how low can one get?

If you want to amuse yourself even further by watching a public execution of him, by all means do that ... yeah, be the judge, jury and executioner of Saddam ... in that case you're no better than him. I for one felt sorry for that tryant (yes I know he's he's killed many people but so have a number of other dictators in the past, at least I have compassion). He will pay for his crimes "on the other side" as they say it. Also, one of his wives (currently in hiding) has sworn vengeance on an arabic news channel so this so called war on terriorism, is getting way out of hand.
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Agreed, in any case Killing him will only get his followers more comitted to attacking the US. By not killing him (thus not allowing him to be a martyr) he loses face thus causing his followers to lose pride. Remember he was renowned as being a fighter, his capture has ruined that image. By allowing him to live as a broken man will cause the most psycological damage to his followers. As Obi-Wan said, "Strike me down and I will become more powerful than you can imagine" If Saddam dies his follower will see him as a martyr and will fight harder than ever.


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Quote: "Killing Saddam won't sort anything, it will breed more hatred and fuel more anger amongst those still sympathetic to his cause"

yeah, all 3 of them

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Don't get cocky, who do you think has be behind all the car boming and such? The fact that a police sation over there has been attack is proof enough that some groups still suport him.


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No, Jimmy, died two days ago.
Its just two now.

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you guys realize that even though 'most' of the iraqi people hate saddam, almost all of them hate the United States.

For Iraqi's, the United States is responible for thier terrible economy (look at the snippet about oil I gave above), thier civilians being killed to chase after so-called terrorist, and having iraq become the prime target of terrorists and suicide bombers.

The common iraqi citizen loaths even thier friends and family who join the iraqi military or police. I remember seeing a quote from an Iraqi officer in the Army saying that once the americans leave, the Iraqi army and police will be slaughtered because of thier cooperation with the U.S....

now dosent that tell you how much they hate americans...

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The Americans did torture and kill them because they wouldn't vote for them, though.

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As far as the oil issue, one thing people tend to overlook is what president Bush was sure to say in his speech declaring war on Saddam: do not burn oil wells. I haven't been able to find a quote anywhere but I remember him clearly stating this when he declared war last spring.


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HZence.

You're 100% right, Bush DID say that before the war.

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LOL, and gee, I wonder why he would say such a thing? Of course it couldn't be because he wanted the oil, that's just plain insanity.


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Quote: "The Americans did torture and kill them because they wouldn't vote for them, though."


where the crap are you pulling that out from? i_lub_afghanistan.com? that is the BIGGEST bunch of bull crap i have yet to hear in this thread.

Quote: "Bush was sure to say in his speech declaring war on Saddam: do not burn oil wells"


everyone wants oil. i mean, when was the last time you drove a car WITHOUT gas or oil or pushing it? thats what i thought, hydrogen powered cars aren't on the market yet.

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Quote: "everyone wants oil. i mean, when was the last time you drove a car WITHOUT gas or oil or pushing it? thats what i thought, hydrogen powered cars aren't on the market yet."


You know what, you're absolutely right, we really should just go around blowing up countries and turning them into mini-Americas just so we can have their oil. What the hell was I thinking?


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@ Darwin

Sorry. I forgot that Americans didn't get sarcasm. I was joking because that was what Saddam Huisain did and people were saying that the Americans were worst than him.

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Yeah, don't take anything Chris says seriously... ever.


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*thinks of a way to show his true depth*

*gives up and starts plotting Raven's downfall*

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Quote: "Sorry. I forgot that Americans didn't get sarcasm. I was joking because that was what Saddam Huisain did and people were saying that the Americans were worst than him."


I guess that was in response to what I was saying...

anyways, I was just expressing a common view of the Iraqi people (not my views's. I hate Saddam). Iraqis hate both saddam and the US. The Iraqis don't like to be tortured by saddam, but they don't want to be totally controlled by a foriegn country either (esp. one thats not Arab). That just a fact we all have to live with...

Quote: "*gives up and starts plotting Raven's downfall*"

[sarcasm]you must like raven a WHOLE lot. Ill leave you and your boyfriend alone[/sarcasm]

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Nope, it was in response to:

Quote: "where the crap are you pulling that out from? i_lub_afghanistan.com? that is the BIGGEST bunch of bull crap i have yet to hear in this thread."



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bah. no, thats not what I meant...

I meant to say his earlier post...

Quote: "The Americans did torture and kill them because they wouldn't vote for them, though"


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'You know what, you're absolutely right, we really should just go around blowing up countries and turning them into mini-Americas just so we can have their oil. What the hell was I thinking?'

Yeah. Right. We go in, dispose of a tyranical dictator who the entire country despises, help them set up a new government, and take the brunt of the casualties from extremist suicide attacks, and that's 'blowing up the country'. We haven't even taken a drop of oil, buddy. I don't know where you people get this crap from...

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Quote: "I don't know where you people get this crap from..."

Maybe because the official reasons for this "preemtive strike" don't seem to fit? WMD, threat to the western world, connexions to Al Queda.

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So? That dosen't make these things about 'blowing up countries' and stealing oil and 'making the Iraqis suffer' be true. I don't care how much people throw crap at it, we liberated them.

('We' is not the US, it's the coalition forces. I know we didn't [and possibly couldn't have] do[ne] it alone.)

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Well, time will tell.

Me, I'll sit and write this love song as I all too seldom do
build a little fire this midnight. It's good to be back home with you.
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I wish it would hurry up though.

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Have fun, it'll go 5x as fast

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Posted: 17th Dec 2003 23:04 Edited at: 17th Dec 2003 23:09
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Quote: "So? That dosen't make these things about 'blowing up countries' and stealing oil and 'making the Iraqis suffer' be true. I don't care how much people throw crap at it, we liberated them."


I still think we attacked Saddam because it was convieniet...

I mean look at the facts, saddam was a bad guy. Bush decieded to take advantange of 9/11 and saddams's so called WMD and tyranny to push war on Iraq.

Quote: "We haven't even taken a drop of oil"


Well, where is the oil going (a serious question)? The Iraqis arnt getting a whole lot...

I still believe that Bush had a hidden agenda about attacking the iraq. Sure, I admit, the coalition got rid of saddam, an evil tyrant, and is trying to establish a democatic government.

But despite this, many Iraqis feel that the US is evil (not my feelings). They blame the US for civilians deaths (esp during Shock and Awe)

Quote: "[We] take the brunt of the casualties from extremist suicide attacks"


No, while a lot of Coalition soldiers are taking casualties, most of the attacks are targeted at Iraqi police, diplomates, other "low" security area's. The Iraqis blame the US for this too


and the Iraqi's also belive we are the cause of thier current economic problems. Problems they say never occured during saddam's reign...


In conclusion, Yeah, we helped Iraq (and the world) get rid of a visuous tyrant, but they don't seem to appreciate it much...it could be just them, or it could be us...

Amist the Blue Skies...
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Posted: 17th Dec 2003 23:46
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Just wanted to boast about how easy I found it to give up smoking. No patches, no injections, no anything. I don't believe the nicotine addiction is strong at all. In fact, I'd go as far as to say it's incredibly weak. I've smoked a varying amount, between 10 and 20 a day sinse I was 17 (5 years) and I've recently quit and it's been easy.

There have been no physical cravings at all, just mental cravings. What I mean is, so long as I'm doing something, I never even consider needing a cigarette. It's only when I do something where I would normally have a cigarette (after a meal, or listening to music etc) that it occurs to me I want one. Blah, then it's all down to realising you don't.

I don't know, maybe it's just me. Maybe some people are more susceptable to physical addiction than others, but I'm pretty convinced the physical addiction is very marginal. It's all in the head. So forget your patches, and your little inhalers, or your manky tasting chewing gum, and get yaself some will power lad!!!

Btw, it also helps to watch that smoking add on TV where that woman has one lung and can't speak.

Insiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide!
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Posted: 18th Dec 2003 00:16
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Went cold turkey, eh? Good on ya.

We don't have that ad over here but we have a lot of other ones where they show lungs full of tar and all sorts of other body parts that have been destroyed.


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Quote: "Yeah. Right. We go in, dispose of a tyranical dictator who the entire country despises, help them set up a new government, and take the brunt of the casualties from extremist suicide attacks, and that's 'blowing up the country'. We haven't even taken a drop of oil, buddy. I don't know where you people get this crap from..."


i love you mouse!

and its true, we have not taken any oil, we took over the oil, and we gave it right back to the people of iraq.

Quote: "Well, where is the oil going (a serious question)? The Iraqis arnt getting a whole lot..."


they are SELLING it. so people (like you and me) can drive, heat our homes, etc. they dont need hardly any of it.

Quote: "I still think we attacked Saddam because it was convieniet...

I mean look at the facts, saddam was a bad guy. Bush decieded to take advantange of 9/11 and saddams's so called WMD and tyranny to push war on Iraq. "


Sadam shouldve been thrown out in the first war. when Bush SR was in. but we didnt, we waited (unfortainatly (sp?)), the reason why we struck them first, and not some of the more dangerous people? (Korea). Iraq actually had something they could threaten the WHOLE WORLD with...OIL! and they WERE (not proven yet) housing terrorists, they just shiped them all off to turkey before we had a chance to get them.

Quote: "In conclusion, Yeah, we helped Iraq (and the world) get rid of a visuous tyrant, but they don't seem to appreciate it much...it could be just them, or it could be us..."

that explains the parties they are having in the streets...

@TheAbomb12: where exactly are you from? do you mind telling me?

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Posted: 18th Dec 2003 00:44 Edited at: 18th Dec 2003 00:44
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Quote: "the reason why we struck them first, and not some of the more dangerous people? (Korea). Iraq actually had something they could threaten the WHOLE WORLD with...OIL! "

How exactly "could they threaten the whole world with oil"?

Quote: "and they WERE (not proven yet) housing terrorists they just shiped them all off to turkey before we had a chance to get them."

So Turkey is next in line for a preemptive strike?

Me, I'll sit and write this love song as I all too seldom do
build a little fire this midnight. It's good to be back home with you.
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Quote: "How exactly "could they threaten the whole world with oil""


They had a lot of the world's oil so they could up its price.

They could also drown people in it/freeze it into really hard little balls and throw them at people.

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